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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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The receipt of money is not the taxable event, it is the endorsement or non-endorsement that is the taxable event.


Ah. I thought that Americans were taxed on "income from whatever source derived", regardless of the form that income might take. Be it income from barter, be it dollars (Federal Reserve) or dollars (Lawful Money) or euros or Thai baht or whatever you care to name, it needs to be declared. That's the impression I always got.

Clearly, according to the IRS there is NON-Taxable income.


Since the majority accept endorsement of fiat currency it is presumed everyone who touches any fiat currency endorses its use as fiat currency.

I demand otherwise.


I'm sure the IRS will humbly bow to your demands. Once they notice, anyway.

Ah, now you are a prophet, thank you for your prediction.

Meanwhile I've been researching this issue a little for myself: found this.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The argument that Federal reserve notes are not taxable income when paid to a taxpayer because the notes are not gold and silver and may not be redeemed for gold and silver, and variations of this argument, have been officially identified as legally frivolous Federal tax return positions for purposes of the $5,000 frivolous tax return penalty imposed under Internal Revenue Code section 6702(a)."

This distinction between Federal Reserve and 'lawful money' does seem to be a variant of that argument. So you are wise to be very careful in your record keeping, as you described earlier: an IRS inspector who is not as learned in the law as yourself might well impose a large fine on you. Not that you'll have any problem with that, since you can pay that fine with worthless Federal Reserve notes: the IRS doesn't mind if they haven't been stamped on the back.

oooohhh, scary!!
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That case has already been discussed either you did not see it or your reading comprehension is limited. I am done with you. Bye.
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1) Please stop using the word "dodge". It is not appropriate to this discussion since we are not trying "To evade (an obligation, for example) by cunning, trickery, or deceit" (from New American Dictionary) Your intentional use of this word implies that was is being discussed is dishonest. Nothing could be farther from the truth - what is being discussed is how one might become a true citizen in the Continental United States.

2) It is not a variation. (See above posts).
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since the IMF spreads thorough out the global economies, can one demand his wage/ salary be paid in gold/silver and will those commodity be subjected to taxation?
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That is a matter of contract, if the contract demands payment in a certain specie of gold or silver and both parties agree to it, the courts will uphold that is how the payments are to be made. The SCOTUS has already ruled that was in an Alaska case the contract makes the law.

The problem is this, what currency is the payee going to use to buy stuff from Walmart?

You really think someone is going to pay for $50 worth of dog food with a $50 Gold coin at Target?

The conversion of the Gold coin into FRNs would have to include a stipulation that all FRNs received were "lawful money per 12 USC 411.

The Las Vegas gold tax case already took on that very issue.

No recordable demand for lawful money was made, simply the argument that FRNs were not "lawful money" and the Gold Coins were. The result was the same as the other case already discussed.
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No question, just digging, trying to get the info out there. I don't know how to look up cases, but this one looked relevant. I got the impression that it went down just as you stated. It looks pretty sneaky on the gub'mint's part. His argument was that he was not paid in lawful money, which was true, but since he had not converted his notes into lawful money, it had no bearing on his case.


You got it exactly. The Government knows that FRNs are not lawful money (according to the Constitution) but in effect, we make it lawful by using it (acceptance makes contract and law) that is why they have ruled over and over they are "legal tender" and have never changed the original Title 12 to say they cannot or will not be redeemed for "lawful money".

They have to provide you and I a way to obey and uphold the law (the Constitution) by redeeming lawful money upon demand.

The physical changing of one form of money to another is, under title 12, to be done at the Treasury or at any Federal reserve bank, so let them take care of it.

It is the demand and record of it that binds the courts, the banks, the Federal Reserve and the IRS to the law.
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So let me get this straight. "Redeeming" fiat money for real money is simply a matter of 'stating" one's demand that FRN's be CONSIDERED lawful money, or what? Is it just the demand that somehow CONVERTS the FRNs one is being paid into lawful money?

I'll have to read Title 12.
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reply to 1208372:

1) Please stop using the word "dodge". It is not appropriate to this discussion since we are not trying "To evade (an obligation, for example) by cunning, trickery, or deceit" (from New American Dictionary) Your intentional use of this word implies that was is being discussed is dishonest. Nothing could be farther from the truth - what is being discussed is how one might become a true citizen in the Continental United States.
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Ah, so your objective is simply to become a true citizen? My apologies, sir. So I take it that not having to pay income taxes is just a happy side-effect?

Then indeed I misjudged you all. It is shameful of me that I assumed that you were all out for your own self-interest, trying to evade the obligation to pay income tax by the cunning trick of reclassifying money as a different kind of money.

I now understand that you are simply trying to do your lawful duty as citizens as best you are able, and that the substantial taxation benefits are entirely coincidental.

I wish all concerned the very best of luck in this noble and honest endeavour, and hope that the IRS bring the matter to court with all speed - that they may be most publicly and openly defeated, of course, and these noble true citizens be vindicated.
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[link to www.lasvegassun.com]

There is the Las Vegas gold coin case, which showed the IRS is very aggressive in putting people in jail, since the man won the previous case they brought against him.

I am not here to tell anyone how to live or what to do. I am showing the law and explaining why the Constitution cannot and will not apply to tax cases if it is a matter of contractual agreement.

We all know that the Government says FRNs are "lawful money" "legal tender" and all that.

But the law also says clearly that FRNs "shall be redeemed for lawful money on demand..."

Well, once I make the demand, they are redeemed. Like I posted the Tax issue is a big deal, but the bigger deal is ownership, allodial title and Creator given rights.

If I have the right to demand that FRNs are redeemed in lawful money then I demand it. If I still owe income tax, then I am sure the IRS will tell me. I will continue to demand lawful money no matter what, why?

Because, unlike judges, attorneys, bankers, politicians and the majority of US Citizens today, I do not think the founding documents of the Republic this nation once was are not just "goddamn" pieces of paper.

If you do, go for it, but for me and my house, we will obey the law of the land.
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Crashing the Federal Reserve equals crashing your own economy. Your congress needs to transform the monetary system and terminate the Federal Reserve Act.
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Steps 1 - 5 Explain to people the steps needed to be taken please.

It is very simple

endorse all deposits with

"Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value."

By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME

Ie. john doe(signature) DBA JOHN DOE

Change your signature card at the banks to read the same.

This in effect makes all transactions in and out of your account in lawful money. Since you can't exchange FDR (federal reserve dollars) for lawful money anymore. All the FDR's in and out of your account will be considered to be lawful money.

Any monetary transaction should bare this same endorsement or signature. Like cashing your check or signing contracts. If they do not provide a remedy for having to use FDR's then their ability to tax you for using them is void. rken



Very cool. So, I pay all my bills online every month. I will need to stop all that, buy post United States Post office money orders and mail them in?
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There IS space for a Memo when you pay bills online, at least there is with my bank. But the earlier suggestion that you write a certified letter to your bank, stating the demand for ALL activities concerning your account, you should be able to continue using your online banking. I LOVE online banking.
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reply to 1208372:

1) Please stop using the word "dodge". It is not appropriate to this discussion since we are not trying "To evade (an obligation, for example) by cunning, trickery, or deceit" (from New American Dictionary) Your intentional use of this word implies that was is being discussed is dishonest. Nothing could be farther from the truth - what is being discussed is how one might become a true citizen in the Continental United States.


Ah, so your objective is simply to become a true citizen? My apologies, sir. So I take it that not having to pay income taxes is just a happy side-effect?

Then indeed I misjudged you all. It is shameful of me that I assumed that you were all out for your own self-interest, trying to evade the obligation to pay income tax by the cunning trick of reclassifying money as a different kind of money.

I now understand that you are simply trying to do your lawful duty as citizens as best you are able, and that the substantial taxation benefits are entirely coincidental.

I wish all concerned the very best of luck in this noble and honest endeavour, and hope that the IRS bring the matter to court with all speed - that they may be most publicly and openly defeated, of course, and these noble true citizens be vindicated.
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I for one, think you are being honest here. There is no tax evasion plan for me, I pay taxes every single time I buy anything or pay a bill.

But, the taxes I pay are with lawful money and not interest bearing debt notes which have no value.

The paper money argument goes back to the very halls this one time Republic was debated in and even before that.

The contract Congress made with the Federal Reserve Bank is extra-constitutional, the "money" it creates is not money at all (accept by acceptance which can make any "thing" lawful money) it is CREDIT, promises to pay, interest bearing DEBT. Of that there is no question, argument or even discussion, it is a FACT. They are also private property of the Federal Reserve Bank, it says so right on their face!

I have spent much time and energy on this matter and it is my opinion that non-redeemed FRNs (or any private bank notes as money) are a horrible danger to the future and present in this land.

That is one thing me and many Presidents and great leaders of the uS have in common, more so in the past, of course.
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Steps 1 - 5 Explain to people the steps needed to be taken please.

It is very simple

endorse all deposits with

"Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value."

By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME

Ie. john doe(signature) DBA JOHN DOE

Change your signature card at the banks to read the same.

This in effect makes all transactions in and out of your account in lawful money. Since you can't exchange FDR (federal reserve dollars) for lawful money anymore. All the FDR's in and out of your account will be considered to be lawful money.

Any monetary transaction should bare this same endorsement or signature. Like cashing your check or signing contracts. If they do not provide a remedy for having to use FDR's then their ability to tax you for using them is void. rken



Very cool. So, I pay all my bills online every month. I will need to stop all that, buy post United States Post office money orders and mail them in?


There IS space for a Memo when you pay bills online, at least there is with my bank. But the earlier suggestion that you write a certified letter to your bank, stating the demand for ALL activities concerning your account, you should be able to continue using your online banking. I LOVE online banking.
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There is no reason to use Money orders. Since the credit on your account is generated by YOU, if you demand lawful money and record that fact, you are paying with lawful money.

That is what happens when the people (since that is where all the political power comes from anyway) actually act like the rulers and not the servants.

Again, the DEMAND is the redemption, as spelled out, in black and white in 12 USC Sub-chapter 411.
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[link to quotes.liberty-tree.ca]

Andrew Jackson quotes:
"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."

Lets not forget what Jesus (YESHUA) reportedly did to the money changers (bankers) of His day.

If I have the option, and the law states I do, to use the private money of international bankers or of the Republic of the united States, I will choose the latter.
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so...my mortgage was paid off in FRNs. How do I go about changing my certificate of title to protect my home?
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so...my mortgage was paid off in FRNs. How do I go about changing my certificate of title to protect my home?
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It would make sense to me that you probably can't. You paid the mortgage with the debt notes that carry a lien. If you could re-mortgage it then re-pay it off using lawful money, maybe? If you have the liquidity to do so.
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If they don't want to exchange the FRNs for lawful money you can always offer to exchange some lead for the lawful money if they want.
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did this thread die, or what? this is probably the most substantial thread ever on this site. Don't let it die. Lets keep it up top and hopefully here some success stories.
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Morning everybody, well at least its morning here. Nice to see we have had a lively debate in my absence. Thanks to all for your participation. rken
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There would seem to some confusion. I am not telling anyone not to pay the taxes that they legally owe. For me this is a way to take back our country One dollar at a time. If all FRN's were redeemed for legal money, the FED would be out of buisness, no one would be using their product and paying interest to use it. We all no what happens to banks that have no customers. Thats right they go bust, they crash. Thats why the title of this thread is crash the FED, not how to get out of paying your taxes. It just so happens that in the proses we owe less tax by our not using the FED product, so be it.

We are paying a users tax. We are being taxed for using FRN's. The very ones the US government prints. The central banks don't even have to print their own money that they lone to the US government. rken

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I'm not even concerned about the tax issue. If I still pay income tax or not, so be it. I'm more concerned about how "money" is classified and not being a debt slave. Thanks for the info OP. It's a shame I had to wait for it to be spoon fed to me.
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I'm not even concerned about the tax issue. If I still pay income tax or not, so be it. I'm more concerned about how "money" is classified and not being a debt slave. Thanks for the info OP. It's a shame I had to wait for it to be spoon fed to me.
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No worries. Better late than never. Take care and redeem your money. Crash the FED.
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Thread synopsis for the first eight pages

It has come to my attention the vid links are no longer working. Here is link to a place where the vids can be viewed. Sorry for the inconvience.

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I took the thread and copied most important comments and video to send in emails. Hope this helps to get info out
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Here is how to crash the Federal Reserve. You have the power to end it now.


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In This series of videos it explains the federal reserve. How it was set up and how a small group of ordinary citizens can bring it down (video 3)If you are serious about ending the fed at least watch video 3. Its all very simple and sites the laws and how they force you into the IRS system of slavery. rken.

Trinity and Mods please pin this if you are serious about changing the country and becoming free from the FED.
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"Demand and record your demand for lawful money and there is nothing to bring charges for.

"Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."



From: [link to www.law.cornell.edu]

It is their law, after all. What can they do if you have demanded and redeemed your Federal Reserve Credit for lawful money?

There nothing they can do and you will never get in front of a Judge or a Jury, because the remedy is in the law."


PLEASE NOTICE:

Your local banks nor the Federal Reserve main banks will give you anything but FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, so do not ask! You do not need anything else!!

[link to ustreas.gov (secure)]

Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971."

Federal Reserve notes are, UPON DEMAND, lawful money. The banks now do all of the exchanging and crediting of accounts being redeemed in lawful money in house.

They will not give you US Bank notes, they cannot, it is against the law for them to deal in them.

Nor will they accept deposits of Gold coins for the same reason.

IT IS YOUR DEMAND THAT MAKES THE TRANSITION from Federal Reserve Credit/debt to LAWFUL MONEY because you act as one of the PEOPLE when you do it, not as a US Corporate US Citizen.


You sign all of your deposit slips and checks like this:

"Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value."

By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME

Most people just get a stamp made (without the signature, of course and stamp the checks and deposit slips. The bank calls them "restricted endorsements".

The banks will not like this, because they cannot fractional-ise the deposit amount. But that is all in house and has nothing to do with your demand.

Some people keep a copy of all checks and deposits or the bank will sometimes send them back. ATMS now give a copy of the check, front and back, so you can keep that as your record.

You sign all of your deposit slips and checks like this:

"Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value."

By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME

Most people just get a stamp made (without the signature, of course and stamp the checks and deposit slips. The bank calls them "restricted endorsements".

The banks will not like this, because they cannot fractional-ise the deposit amount. But that is all in house and has nothing to do with your demand.

Some people keep a copy of all checks and deposits or the bank will sometimes send them back. ATMS now give a copy of the check, front and back, so you can keep that as your record.

People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977.

Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions.

As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4.

Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that.

The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands.

As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX
are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value.

Send it Registered mail to your bank

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"Do not use their product, demand lawful money of the united States at your bank in the form of redeemed Federal Reserve Notes and you do not owe them a fee.

NOTICE: FRNs serve as lawful money UPON DEMAND, the bank will not give you any other kind of money (US Bank Notes, Gold or silver Certificates or stamps or uS Postal money orders, so do not ask) many have tried.

Since the late 1970s, the banks do not circulate US Bank notes (with red seals and serial numbers) Federal reserve notes serve just fine, once the demand is recorded on all deposits and withdrawals, its all the proof you will need.

They might, until they call their legal department, then they will be all smiles and sweet the next time. Been there, done that.

They have no choice, you really think the bank is going to violate the agreement the Federal Reserve has with congress? Its all about the money, folks, use it to your advantage.

Thank You! I've been looking into this for some time. I had a bit of a rough time with the IRS and want to be free of them, but I thought it wise to be square with them before starting this tactic. As of this years 1040, I'll be square. I want to start doing this immediately, but because of my past issues with the IRS, I definitely want to be sure I have recourse if and when they come after me again. I think I'll make a trip to my local IRS office and ask some questions about this technique. I will bookmark this thread and post whatever info (if any) I'm able to glean from the evil bastards.

Remember, ignorance of the law is not a defense. The IRS is a collection agency for the Fed. If you used their product, unredeemed Federal Reserve Notes, you owe them a fee.

Get square with them, you can negotiate with them once they know you are willing and have to pay them something, then start living lawfully.

When one obeys the law, the law is there to protect them.

The Constitution clearly spells out what is Lawful money, once you live by the law of the land (the Constitution) by redeeming lawful money, you get the benefits of the protection of the Law of the land.

That means you actually PAY FOR WHAT YOU BUY. Land, products, etc.

There is much more to this than just income tax.

*Without prejudice*

Operative word here is contractual. End the contract. Use lawful money. You currently have a contract will the FED to pay income tax for using their money. End the contracts you have to pay them to use their money. Its Over. Rken

With any big purchase, I would either use lawful money and have the receipt reflect that fact (US postal money orders are lawful money too, and can be bought with lawful money to prove ownership).

In contracts, simply make it a matter of the contract that all sums will be paid or collected in lawful money, there is your demand.

Credit cards are private contracts, the credit card company will not care if the money you pay them is lawful or not, they accept legal tender.

Have you never wondered why a $5000 dollar credit card or credit line is not reported on your tax return as taxable income?

Ask yourself "Where did this credit come from?" If it did not come from the Federal Reserve, it is not taxable, right?

If I find a Federal Reserve BILL on the ground, it is lawful money the second I pick it up. I will even write ON THE BACK of the BILL "LAWFUL MONEY PER 12-USC-411" to record my demand.


They will have to change the Constitution to do it, so we will know if it happens.

Congress only has the power to coin money, that is why they have to have the Federal Reserve issue fiat currency (legal tender).

They may circumvent the law, with your endorsement (as one of the people) but they cannot make you a party to it without your consent, which you give with your endorsement.

Do it yourself and be the proof, there has never been a case with the IRS, so there is no court rulings on the matter.

Some people are doing this and still paying income tax by choice, but at least they now have a choice.

BTW, this does not work for Corporate income, which is usually taxable income.

If some lawyer type could research this case, we could probably learn a lot from it.

United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10 th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument that "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, § 8, United States Constitution."

If some lawyer type could research this case, we could probably learn a lot from it.

United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10 th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument that "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, § 8, United States Constitution."
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1100445


That's right, all he had to do was demand his lawful money (which he did not do in that case) and those notes would have become "lawful money".

Just because they are not lawful money does not mean they are not redeemable for lawful money upon demand.

I have already said, his power to contract has nothing to do with the lawful money meaning of Art. 1, sub-chapter 8 of the constitution.

He used the product of the Federal Reserve, the question before the court was not "Was the product of the Federal Reserve lawful money." It was a simple question of "did he use the product or not?"

Clearly, he did, so he owed them a fee for it.

Was there a question in your post

[it was said:Anonymous Coward 692708]
Here is another link to the video, uncut.

[link to video.google.com]

Again, thanks David, for all the work.
[/it was said]


You got it exactly. The Government knows that FRNs are not lawful money (according to the Constitution) but in effect, we make it lawful by using it (acceptance makes contract and law) that is why they have ruled over and over they are "legal tender" and have never changed the original Title 12 to say they cannot or will not be redeemed for "lawful money".

They have to provide you and I a way to obey and uphold the law (the Constitution) by redeeming lawful money upon demand.

The physical changing of one form of money to another is, under title 12, to be done at the Treasury or at any Federal reserve bank, so let them take care of it.

It is the demand and record of it that binds the courts, the banks, the Federal Reserve and the IRS to the law.

The IRS has the right to access records for any bank account into which more than $1000 is deposited in a year.

So what happens when they look at a personal account and they see nothing but restricted endorsements and demands for lawful money for each deposit and withdrawal?

Remember, the banks have the legal right to fraction deposits, which means for each $1 they get, they can now loan $1. (there is a ZERO reserve now, since the bailout).

When you "deposit for credit on account or exchange for Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value" you limit the amount of the deposit for face value.

The bank cannot fractionalize the deposit amount. Nor can the elastic nature of Negotiable FRNs be used. Negotiable meaning no set value and depending on market forces.

A non-negotiable FRN is face value, because the value is 1=1. There is no interest bearing debt attached to the deposit, anything paid for with lawful money does not pass onto the National Debt+interest.

That big clock in times square does not go up with every transaction with lawful money, in fact, the amount of lawful money transacted lowers the National debt at a ratio of 1=1.

The debt is paid and the product or service is then owned by the payer and cannot be used as or seized to "pay the national debt", it is owned in allodium.


[it was said:Anonymous Coward 692708]
Link to the video so it is easy to find.

[link to video.google.com]

Everyone would do well just to learn how to restrict their signature per the Uniform Commercial Code.

As a people, we have gown lax in controlling the power of our sig-natures.

"without prejudice" from UCC 1-207.

The Uniform Commercial Code is the law regulating contracts for every nation, country or corporation which has the right and access to international and national banking. It was written by a private company in Italy and member countries and international corporations use it to regulate contracts. Anytime you sign your name to a Corporation Document, I would sign "without prejudice" above my signature.

The State you live in has its own UCC and it can usually be found on your Secretary of States' webpage.

For more info:
[link to www.landrights.com]

Verify all code numbers with your state or Federal UCC, yes, the Federal Government has its own UCC.
[/it was said]

[it was said:rken]


Federal Reserve Act - Remedy

How to bet them at their own game. The laws and how they apply. rken
[/it was said]

Naturally this is not as damaging to the FED but,

If American currency is N/A, a different way to isolate the Federal Reserve is to use gold, silver and barter. Written receipts stating that the transaction took place using gold, silver or barter (signed by both parties) would be needed. Naturally you can't mail gold, silver or barter, so you would need to buy a US postal money order and NOT A USPS money order. United States Postal Service is not the same as United States Post office. USPS is a private company too! You need to find an official US post office and use their MOs.

Question??

Aside from Gold, silver eagle type coins, what exactly is American currency? Those coins not only have gold and silver content value, but commemorative value as well. So, to get a $50 gold eagle, are they made any longer? The older ones can be worth up to $30,000. I'll have to check it out. Really curious what American currency is and who has it.

very cool thread
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1213272


Goodnight and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all those on GLP.

Remember that fear is what got us into all of this and overcoming it will be the thing that makes us survive. We have men fighting for our freedoms in other countries, you would think that we can overcome the fear that has helped place them there.

Read this thread, on page 4 there is a post that can be listed in an email to help it go viral. Quote the post and you will have all links and comments to copy and forward on to others that may not realize we CAN and WILL make a difference.

Life is to short to stand and allow fear to control us. The alternative is brute force and there really is no need for it. The strength is in your mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1213272

so doing this keeps them from lending out your money on deposit fractional reserve style? I'd consider doing it for this reason alone, forget about trying to avoid paying taxes, since I work for someone else, I can't imagine actually going through with this and asking for zero withholding.

Letter sent to the bank certified mail is all it takes if you get direct deposit paychecks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1123488


[/quote: rken]
Thanks for your input. But it would seem that if we pay taxes, none of which go to run the country, but go to banks to pay the interest on the loans to banks of which most aren't even US banks, that we are indeed debt slaves.

rken


The bottom is falling out of the game for the federal reserve. If everyone grabbed a thread and pulled we just might obtain the freewill for this country to be what it was intended to be.

Remember there are soldiers that have given their lives for us and we have within our power to make their sacrifies truely mean something, without a shot fired.

2011 is going to be one powerful year. Our resolve has truely turned into no fear. Each step closer takes you to the goal of freedom that our soldiers are committed to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1213272


The legal tender payments are not lawful payments. The debt still exists. If you are not using lawful money, there is no lawful payment.

You give me a promise to pay me for the hamburger today. On Tuesday, you come back and give me a $5.00, unredeemed Federal Reserve Note, which I ACCEPT FOR FACE VALUE.

The "debt" between you and I is discharged, but since the hamburger had actual physical value as food, and the FRN you gave has an actual value of ZERO and has interest on it, I have gained nothing.

The Debt, via accounting and receipts is dumped into the National Debt (anyone with a birth certificate is then responsible to pay for that debt with production)

This is why the media/Government always states "the national debt is X for every MAN, WOMAN and CHILD in the US."

The GDP is supposed to cover, with goods and services, ALL the debt every year and "balance the account" with the Federal Reserve and growth in the GDP is supposed to cover the interest. We know that is impossible.

Read this carefully:

"Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them.

"Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
from: [link to ustreas.gov (secure)]

Read it again. YOU, your children and everything you produce, consume or "buy" with Federal Reserve credit has a lien on it automatically! This includes HUMAN resources within the US Economy! The Government presumes everything in the economy is leaned by the Federal Reserve (to pay the national debt) until PROVEN otherwise. Think RICO here, folks.

If you do not believe me, check the bottom of your Certificate of live birth, it is printed by a Banknote company, really, look at the fine print on the bottom.

Lawful money goes way, way beyond income tax, even if you do not want or do not care about paying income tax, redeem lawful money anyway, having proof you did everything you could to live a lawful life and actually own what you produce is just, well, lawful.

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When you go to the store and give them DEBT notes of any kind

"worthless paper" with a date, a dollar amount and the issuer of the debt, in this case, the Federal Reserve, they give you the product and what else?

A RECEIPT what does it have printed on it? A date, a dollar amount and the issuer of the debt (walmart or whatever).

The exchange that takes place is not the paper (worthless)for the product (actual value) the exchange is worthless paper for worthless paper. Once you "accept the worthless paper for face value" the DEBT is transferred for that product to the National debt and spread out between "all goods and services in the economy" so, we have to produce MORE AND MORE every year to grow the GDP because every unlawful dollar is DEBT and interest.

We can never get ahead of it! It is, in fact, numerically impossible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


Nice post 692708 thanks.


 Quoting: rken

federal reserve act remedy video 2 of 3


 Quoting: rken

Federal reserve act remedy 3 of 3


 Quoting: rken


How to endorse your checks



rken


More on endorsing checks


 Quoting: rken

Ac 692708

A question for you. What does it mean in the 2nd vid on remedies. it talks about Fdr notes fuctioning as US notes in-(elastic currency) when there not endorsed. Can you explain what endorsing is. 8 minutes into the vid #2. Thanks Rken



Endorsement (alternatively spelt indorsement) may refer to:

* Testimonial in advertising, written or spoken statement endorsing a product
* Political endorsement
* a form added to an insurance policy, modifying the terms
* A signature on a negotiable instrument (such as a cheque) indicating a person's intent to become a party to the instrument.
* Blank endorsement – such a signature, without indicating payee

In effect, when signing "Deposit for credit on account or exchange for Non-Negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value"

You are signing a non-endorsement to use federal reserve credit/debit.

An endorsement, or signature on the back of any deposit would "indicate" yourself to become a party to the Contract between the US and the Federal Reserve and their elastic currency (changing value) Notes.

A non-endorsement clearly states you will NOT endorse said notes, therefore, the Non-negotiable FRNs you get are, for all legal purposes, non-elastic US Bank notes.

It should be noted here, the $300,000,000 US bank notes are still in Banks and/or the Treasury. These US Notes where pre-paid every year by the US Treasury in Gold or Silver. They have Red seals and serial numbers. If the notes are worn out, the Treasury has to pay for a new one in gold or silver coin and at face value of the coin.

It is my belief, since going off the gold standard (Nixon in 1971) the notes were no longer circulated because, they were actually too expensive to replace.

Therefore, the FRNs issued had to be "empowered" to "serve the same purpose as US Bank notes". Thus protecting the US Bank notes at the same time, Since the price of Gold is so high, and the law requires $300,000,000 in US Bank notes each year, the Treasury could not afford to give that much gold to the Federal Reserve, once it had to pay current market value for Gold. (The par value for gold prior to 1971 was still about $40 and ounce.)

[link to www.usagold.com]

When I write "Redeemed lawful money per 12-USC-411" on the back of a FRN and a Federal Reserve Bank inspects that note, the Serial number of that FRN is cancelled and a US Bank note (from the $300,000,000) serial number is accounted for to cancel, dollar for dollar, that amount of National Debt.

I am non-endorsing the FRN as a debt note with my demand for lawful money on the back of the note and/or my non-endorsement on the deposit.

The FRN serial number cannot be used again, since it has been PAID.

In cases where a normal, unredeemed, worn out FRN comes to a bank, that NOTE is destroyed, but the serial number can and is reissued to a newly printed FRN (with the addition of a * to the number, if I remember right). The debt it is evidence of continues to accrue new debt at face value and interest.

By the way, this is why I do not write anything on the FACE of the FRN, the redemption of the FRN is on the back, since it is against the rules to "DEFACE" a FRN.

I hope that helps :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


[link to pulse.zecco.com]

There is a US Bank Note and a Federal Reserve note for reference.



i'm assuming that in order for this "cancellation" that you speak of to take effect you must use cash that has the stuff written on the back, correct? this wouldn't apply to transactions made on a debit card or with a check or auto-debit from a checking account where the applicable signature card was modified to fit what we are discussing here.

My understanding is that if you modify your signature card all transaction, from that point on, are done with lawful money, FDR's functioning as US currency when you receive cash from an ATM or with drawing money from your account. rken
 Quoting: rken

Thank you that is a big help. So when you receive money from a bank from cashing a check with limited endorsement you write on the back of each bill you receive, "Redeemed lawful money per 12-USC-411" What about fdr you pick up as change in circulation. Can you just write on the back of any bill that you have. Who records and when are the serial numbers recorded. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain things. I'm sure this will help other understand also. rken


Any FRN that comes into my possession is Lawful money. Most people get a simple stamp and stamp the backs of FRN's. To me, it is just one more hit against the Federal Reserve and people who see it on money might just look it up and see what it means.

All FRNs are eventually inspected by bank employees for circulation status. It is my understanding at Regional banks, there is one management level employee who is in charge of all "lawful money" demands and/or accounting. This is above the average bank managers pay grade, and not known by any teller I have ever spoken too.

If, for whatever reason, you need more proof of lawful money, the most tellers will give you a FRN and upon request, write on the receipt "lawful money" and then record the serial number of the FRN on the receipt and initial it. Post offices will do this also. Most court clerks and recorders will do this as well.

This might be important when paying taxes on property, for example, then you will have a paper trail that you actually PAID the property tax and did not just promise them a payment next year with credit.

Remember, even $1 in Lawful money is worth more than any amount of credit or sero/negative value FRNs.

That would show the property purchased or tax paid with Lawful money is NOT LEANED by the Federal Government nor the Federal Reserve. Can you think of a situation where that might make a difference?

Remember, FDR said nobody can be compelled to pay the national debt. This also has ramifications when we know about the "trading with the enemy act".

Abe Lincoln: "It denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe."

What "enemy" could the Average american be "trading" with to subject him or her to the Trading with the enemy act?

Maybe the same enemy which Abe was talking about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

I want to clarify what I think I just read. If I were to write "Redeemed lawful money per 12-USC-411" on the back of every Federal Reserve Note I came into contact with, as soon as I have written that on $300,000,000 worth of Federal Reserve Notes, the entire US Deficit would be paid?

No, but the US Treasury would have to pay another $300,000,000 million in gold or silver coin (at face value of said coins) to replace the 300 million YOU paid off. And the National debt owed to the Federal Reserve would drop 300 million as soon as the transaction was complete.

And all interest that would have accrued on that debt would be gone also. That is what happens when you actually "pay" for something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

The last ruling by congress on the value of Gold was about $44.00 per ounce, that is the value they will give you if you try to pay for taxes with gold bullion, people have tried. Now, for Gold coins, they will give you face value. Congress cannot deal with Federal Reserve notes, it is against the law.

Why don't you ask congress that question, it is a power given to them in the law of the land.

"To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;"
Article I section 8, uS Constitution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708



So, if everyone wrote "Redeemed lawful money per 12-USC-411" on the back of all of their Federal Reserve Notes everyday
and used them, eventually the national debt would be paid off?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1213746

No matter what the "exchange rate is" if you buy it with non-redeemed Federal Reserve Notes, the product you buy is presumed owned by the Federal Reserve. That is why you do not have any allodial title to anything, you only have "Certificates of title" and why you only have "tenant rights" and not "land ownership".

You did not lawfully pay for it, so its not yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


"On August 15, 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility of the dollar to gold. This action, referred to as the Nixon shock, created the situation in which the United States dollar became the sole backing of currencies and a reserve currency for the member states."

Why do you think $300,000,000 in gold backed US Banks notes stopped circulating in 1971?

Hint: see above.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

Well done 708 and rken and others. I've been endorsing checks this way for about 3 yrs. I quit responding to anything irs 15 yrs. ago. I haven't gotten anything from them in at least 5 yrs. Here's a question about the frn: The seal next to Washingtons face on the left is different on $1 bills than 5's, 10's and up. It says what bank it is from. The higher bills just say united states frn. Is a bank note different from a frn? Will $1 be worth its face value and frn's worth nothing?
 Quoting: osbogosley

That is because you do not know the difference between freedom and subjugation. Anyone from Europe should know what actually being a "land owner" means and allodial title.

"Allodial title constitutes ownership of real property (land, buildings and fixtures) that is independent of any superior landlord. In common legal use, allodial title is used to distinguish absolute ownership of land by individuals from feudal ownership, where property ownership is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign. Webster's first dictionary (1825 ed) says "allodium" is "land which is absolute property of the owner, real estate held in absolute independence, without being subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgment to a superior. It is thus opposed to "feud."

If you buy the bread with a FRN it is first leaned by the Federal Reserve, and if they want it, they can take it.

If you buy it with lawful money it is yours in allodium, and cannot be taken without just compensation.

Same goes for cars, gold, land, houses, et al.

The choice is yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

Is there another way of doing it?


The Federal Reserve is not the sole source of credit anywhere in the world.

"Do they have another way of doing it?" Yes, non-endorsement of transaction or deposit.

Again, there is no reason to stamp the FRN, other than to make the Federal Reserve retire that serial number and the debt it carries.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


If you buy the bread with a FRN it is first leaned by the Federal Reserve, and if they want it, they can take it.

If you buy it with lawful money it is yours in allodium, and cannot be taken without just compensation.

Same goes for cars, gold, land, houses, et al.

The choice is yours.


When did the Federal Reserve last exercise this power?

Who is keeping the logs of whether or not the banknotes used were appropriately stamped on the back or not?

How about if no banknotes were ever used, but instead a direct bank transfer - is that the bit about writing your name in ALL CAPS?


When? The last time anyone paid for anything with Federal Reserve credit or money.

"Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them."

"The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
[link to ustreas.gov (secure)]

The US treasury has it, right there in black and white. ALL goods and services in the economy are first leaned by the Federal Reserve.

I have proof, via non-endorsement and bank records that is not the case for me. Remember, it is all about what you can PROVE.

I can prove, with bank records, receipts and canceled checks that I have demanded Congress, the Banks and the Federal Reserve obey the law of the land, that being the Constitution and not the rules they make via endorsement and contractual agreement.

I have the protections of the law because I obey the law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


Lawful money is different than fiat money in the same way a free man is different than a peon.

Peon: a person held in compulsory servitude to a master for the working out of an indebtedness.

If you do not redeem lawful money you are "held in compulsory servitude to a master for the working out of an indebtedness" to the Federal Reserve, there it is.

There are no debtors prisons in the US but there are thousands of people in prison for indebtedness, that is why.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


"I'm glad to hear you've kept your own records, so if the Federal Reserve ever come around to seize your possessions you'll be able to prove they have no right to do so. But here we are back to my earlier question: when did the Federal Reserve last do that to anybody?"

The Federal reserve does not enforce the liens, the IRS does that.

The IRS is the collection and enforcement agent for the Federal Reserve.

Are you really going to try to say the IRS has never seized any property or money? What gives them that right if it is not the presumption it is theirs to seize?

And the courts consistently back them on it until the DEFENDANT is proven not-guilty and broke anyway.

My documented demands for Lawful money stops the presumption that what I have is theirs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

so I have XXX amount in savings.

I go to a bank and demand that I withdrawl my funds in Lawful monmey?.

And I can then re-deposit this Lawful money back into my account or keep it safe at home?


You would not have to withdraw the money in 'lawful money' the clerk will only give you FRNs so just withdraw the money as you normally would.

In fact, just get a check from them for the amount. Then, do your non-endorsement on the back of the check and re-deposit it, done.

If they ask you why you are doing it, I might say "my accountant wants it that way for tax purposes." That usually ends that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

There have been ZERO cases brought against anyone doing this, and they have been doing this for decades. You cannot beat lawful remedy 12 USC is their law.

And your statement that I do not pay any taxes is pure ignorance, everyone pays huge taxes, lawful money or not.

Personal income tax however, is a pure use tax on a certain product, that product is credit issued to the US by the Federal Reserve.

There are no "hoops" there is only law, in this case it is contract law and services provided to an entire nation.

Good day to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

If I paid something off (house,car,etc.) with frns, is it really paid off or do I need to do something else?


Well, do you have a title to the thing you paid off? Or a Certificate of title?

They are not the same things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

Well, considering you are using a Central Reserve Bank or currency for transactions, yes, if you are not restricting your signature and pledging yourself to the national debt, you owe income tax. It is your choice.

Enjoy your peonage, you have lots of people on your side and those who profit from your labor love ignorant drones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

The receipt of money is not the taxable event, it is the endorsement or non-endorsement that is the taxable event.

By the way, legally thinking, it is presumed that anyone using paper money is endorsing them as an elastic, private currency.

That is why the DEMAND for lawful money is so important. The bankers have worked hard for democracy (majority rules).

Since the majority accept endorsement of fiat currency it is presumed everyone who touches any fiat currency endorses its use as fiat currency.

I demand otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

since the IMF spreads thorough out the global economies, can one demand his wage/ salary be paid in gold/silver and will those commodity be subjected to taxation?


That is a matter of contract, if the contract demands payment in a certain specie of gold or silver and both parties agree to it, the courts will uphold that is how the payments are to be made. The SCOTUS has already ruled that was in an Alaska case the contract makes the law.

The problem is this, what currency is the payee going to use to buy stuff from Walmart?

You really think someone is going to pay for $50 worth of dog food with a $50 Gold coin at Target?

The conversion of the Gold coin into FRNs would have to include a stipulation that all FRNs received were "lawful money per 12 USC 411.

The Las Vegas gold tax case already took on that very issue.

No recordable demand for lawful money was made, simply the argument that FRNs were not "lawful money" and the Gold Coins were. The result was the same as the other case already discussed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

It is the demand and record of it that binds the courts, the banks, the Federal Reserve and the IRS to the law.


So let me get this straight. "Redeeming" fiat money for real money is simply a matter of 'stating" one's demand that FRN's be CONSIDERED lawful money, or what? Is it just the demand that somehow CONVERTS the FRNs one is being paid into lawful money?

I'll have to read Title 12.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317023

[link to www.lasvegassun.com]

There is the Las Vegas gold coin case, which showed the IRS is very aggressive in putting people in jail, since the man won the previous case they brought against him.

I am not here to tell anyone how to live or what to do. I am showing the law and explaining why the Constitution cannot and will not apply to tax cases if it is a matter of contractual agreement.

We all know that the Government says FRNs are "lawful money" "legal tender" and all that.

But the law also says clearly that FRNs "shall be redeemed for lawful money on demand..."

Well, once I make the demand, they are redeemed. Like I posted the Tax issue is a big deal, but the bigger deal is ownership, allodial title and Creator given rights.

If I have the right to demand that FRNs are redeemed in lawful money then I demand it. If I still owe income tax, then I am sure the IRS will tell me. I will continue to demand lawful money no matter what, why?

Because, unlike judges, attorneys, bankers, politicians and the majority of US Citizens today, I do not think the founding documents of the Republic this nation once was are not just "goddamn" pieces of paper.

If you do, go for it, but for me and my house, we will obey the law of the land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


There IS space for a Memo when you pay bills online, at least there is with my bank. But the earlier suggestion that you write a certified letter to your bank, stating the demand for ALL activities concerning your account, you should be able to continue using your online banking. I LOVE online banking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317023

I for one, think you are being honest here. There is no tax evasion plan for me, I pay taxes every single time I buy anything or pay a bill.

But, the taxes I pay are with lawful money and not interest bearing debt notes which have no value.

The paper money argument goes back to the very halls this one time Republic was debated in and even before that.

The contract Congress made with the Federal Reserve Bank is extra-constitutional, the "money" it creates is not money at all (accept by acceptance which can make any "thing" lawful money) it is CREDIT, promises to pay, interest bearing DEBT. Of that there is no question, argument or even discussion, it is a FACT. They are also private property of the Federal Reserve Bank, it says so right on their face!

I have spent much time and energy on this matter and it is my opinion that non-redeemed FRNs (or any private bank notes as money) are a horrible danger to the future and present in this land.

That is one thing me and many Presidents and great leaders of the uS have in common, more so in the past, of course.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708

There is no reason to use Money orders. Since the credit on your account is generated by YOU, if you demand lawful money and record that fact, you are paying with lawful money.

That is what happens when the people (since that is where all the political power comes from anyway) actually act like the rulers and not the servants.

Again, the DEMAND is the redemption, as spelled out, in black and white in 12 USC Sub-chapter 411.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


[link to quotes.liberty-tree.ca]

Andrew Jackson quotes:
"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."

Lets not forget what Jesus (YESHUA) reportedly did to the money changers (bankers) of His day.

If I have the option, and the law states I do, to use the private money of international bankers or of the Republic of the united States, I will choose the latter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


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i'm so cashing out FRN
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OP, censoring is not good, let is all be, + or -

people get turned off by censoring. We're being manipulated everywhere, even here on GLP. If you want people to listen, then DO listen to ALL first.
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OP, censoring is not good, let is all be, + or -

people get turned off by censoring. We're being manipulated everywhere, even here on GLP. If you want people to listen, then DO listen to ALL first.
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No posts will be deleted unless they are obvious trolls, only here to disrupt the thread. I have deleted a number of my own posts. Ones in which I bumped the thread. A couple of where an ad on GLP was blocking the viewing of the page. And a couple of posts displaying the BS flag with nothing other than that to say. If that is a problem so be it. rken
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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
There is a very long thread on suijurisclub.net on 12USC411 that I have been trying to access for over three months without any luck. If anyone has an account there, they may be able to pickup some useful tidbits (their thread has been going on for quite a while).

Great thread. Let's keep this one going, and HOW ABOUT A PIN MODS?
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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
All that stuff about the endorsement dates back to February 10 of 2005 and a post from a fellow who posts as "Broken Wrench."

I took his stuff and added a large clip and paste from "The Informer" and posted that to a couple of lists under the title of "Notes of Debt are Not Income"

Subsequently, a small radio show host from around Modesto California named Fred picked it up and added some observation of his own. The whole thing was made into an adobe PDF file and it went viral. Since other people can manipulate PDF files and change or modify such files I cannot write about the exactness of any one that you might discover.

And since one or several hits you might get could gain (me or you) an auto ban it probably isn't wise to post an exact hit unless you know how to use proxies etc.

Here is a google search string for the file:

[link to www.google.com]

Just grab one or several of the PDF files that appear.

There are some audio files (twelve hours or more) from the Informer on page 1122 of the "governors" thread:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Please go there and let me know whether or not the page loads or gives you problems as poster "Calin" subsequently bumped that page repeatedly until the thread went to page 1123.

The Informer and James Montgomery did original research in the Library of Congress in an ongoing effort to discover the truth over a period of more than a decade. It will behoove the interested investigator to study their conclusions by listening to these audio files and acquiring the books they published about their discoveries.

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