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STOP ENDORSING FED CREDIT, GODDAMNIT!!!
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STOP ENDORSING FED CREDIT, GODDAMNIT!!!
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"Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds."
Thread: Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds.

Look what happens when you openly endorse "their" monies!! The Judge told the truth, flat out, when you endorse their property, they can do whatever they like with it!!

Who needs any more proof of 12-USC 411 or what will happen to all "your" goods and 'money' if you keep endorsing their property?

Better learn from this people.
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STOP ENDORSING FED CREDIT, GODDAMNIT!!!
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"Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds."
Thread: Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds.

Look what happens when you openly endorse "their" monies!! The Judge told the truth, flat out, when you endorse their property, they can do whatever they like with it!!

Who needs any more proof of 12-USC 411 or what will happen to all "your" goods and 'money' if you keep endorsing their property?

Better learn from this people.
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...AND IT'S GONE!

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Hi , if you are under 35 years old please stop voting as that is the only way people in Washington have any authority over you ...

If everyone stopped then the senate and house could only operate in Washington DC over their federal employees... (art1,sec8,cl17-18)


Only vote in your local elections .... Expose the attorneys in your area who are running.

All judges are attorneys, all senators and house member are mostly attorneys ...

Stop Voting they have no more power ...

They obtained power by your registering to vote .....

they gravitate toward office because they are power hungry ...

they are all attornies ... to attorn is to give property form one lord over to another ...

Is their a national debt ? Would those attorneys be handing ove ryour wealth to other lords ?

How many people in your life have you met that are POWER hungry ... prolly not as many as you have seen voted in ..

How is it that they are NOT power hungry men ?

Take your power back STOP VOTING, be yourself, make YOUR OWN DECISIONS


DO NOT ENDORSE THE PRIVATE CREDIT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE
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Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...

The only way a tax protest would ever work in this country is if you could get Millions of people to go along with it, and stay organized...and I do mean millions, not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands...

Too few and they'll just throw everybody in jail!!!

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"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...

The only way a tax protest would ever work in this country is if you could get Millions of people to go along with it, and stay organized...and I do mean millions, not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands...

Too few and they'll just throw everybody in jail!!!
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Fear Fear Blah Blah ..

"If I were to send you a letter, what Name would I send it to?" ~ A friendly officer trying to arraign me ....
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the words 'tax protest' in your comment gave you away to alot of people .... cause regular folk don't talk like that
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oh yeah i don't got to edit my posts ...
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Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...
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Not true at all...

The judges know fully how the system operates...

In commonwealth countres, the emblem behind the judge is a Lion and Unicorn... This signifies the dual nature of currency...Public and private...
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Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...

The only way a tax protest would ever work in this country is if you could get Millions of people to go along with it, and stay organized...and I do mean millions, not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands...

Too few and they'll just throw everybody in jail!!!
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BTW - No one should ever protest the tax... TAX is an acronym for T-cell Atomic Crosover... You want this to occur, it is what allows you to order up public funds...
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Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...

The only way a tax protest would ever work in this country is if you could get Millions of people to go along with it, and stay organized...and I do mean millions, not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands...

Too few and they'll just throw everybody in jail!!!
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BTW - No one should ever protest the tax... TAX is an acronym for T-cell Atomic Crosover... You want this to occur, it is what allows you to order up public funds...
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Take a look at your next credit card statement - does it not say - pay by cheque or money order...

What do you think the are telling you???
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Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...

The only way a tax protest would ever work in this country is if you could get Millions of people to go along with it, and stay organized...and I do mean millions, not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands...

Too few and they'll just throw everybody in jail!!!
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Why, exactly, would anyone demanding lawful money have to "appear" in their courts?

You clearly did not read the thread because the whole illusion of their private courts has been covered in depth.

As for you being a reformed banker, what did you do, give all their money back to them and now you live as a bum?

I would bet my last lawful dollar you are still reaping the benefits of you crimes and using their fiat money and fractional reserve system.

YOU are the one that belongs in prison for the crimes you have committed, not the people who are seeking remedy for the plague of fiat fractional reserve bankers like you. Enjoy the spoils of your crimes, traitor.
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We all know Ron Paul doesnt get the attention he deserves. The media more or less presents us the 2 candidates we "should" vote for. Im confident if more americans just had the chance to hear Ron Paul speak or hear his ideas and what he represents they would jump on the Ron Paul freedom train. Im happy to present right here a chance for this to happen here is a link to a petition to let Ron Paul speak at thr Republican national convention like he should have been able to in the first place. As most of you know he was scheduled to speak and hen the GOP told him the only way he could give a speech is if he fully endorsed mitt romney after his speech and he wouldnt do it so he couldnt speak therefore he wasnt allowed to spread his message to more people than ever because of the GOP trying to make him give up and endorse romney. Here is the link please sign the petition before its too late pass this on to all people you know we only need a little over 2 thousand more signatures. [link to www.change.org]
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made a "Special deposit of lawful money. Demand made per 12-USC 411" today of some "pay to_____" checks.

If anyone is having issues dealing with ignorant bank tellers or managers, just deposit the checks in the automatic teller machine (drive through or in the bank). Been trying this out for about a year with no issues.

Even did some 2 party checks that way with restricted endorsements, no issues, no questions from tellers, no strange looks or tellers running to a manager.

There is no need to wait for anyone to do anything. This nation has had Gold backed money for more than 200 years, before the Federal Reserve, before (and after) the Greenback of the Civil War and it still has it today. Ron Paul should be teaching people about 12-USC 411 demands.

People voting FOR the Federal reserve with their endorsements on bank transactions then complaining about it being corrupt is just ignorant.
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12USC411 says the federal reserve notes must be redeemed at the Treasury, Washington DC or any FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

The FRB's are the 12 district banks, not the local commercial joint...operating under LICENSE.

I think the concept is correct, but the execution is wrong.

McDonald's corporate headquarters is near Chicago Illinois. If I contract with this business (buy or sell something) I cannot go to the local franchise and present them with an invoice expecting payment. The obligations transacted by the parent corporation do not flow through to the licensee.

If one wants to enjoy the "benefits" of private credit, or a tasty burger, the banks or local drive thru's are there for your convenience.

If one has an issue with the corporate master, it must be taken up directly, or with an authorized agent of the corporation, not its franchisee.

otherwise, good info. However, getting something 95% correct is akin to being a little pregnant.
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What is the difference between "pay to" and "pay to the order of"?
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12USC411 says the federal reserve notes must be redeemed at the Treasury, Washington DC or any FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

The FRB's are the 12 district banks, not the local commercial joint...operating under LICENSE.

I think the concept is correct, but the execution is wrong.

McDonald's corporate headquarters is near Chicago Illinois. If I contract with this business (buy or sell something) I cannot go to the local franchise and present them with an invoice expecting payment. The obligations transacted by the parent corporation do not flow through to the licensee.

If one wants to enjoy the "benefits" of private credit, or a tasty burger, the banks or local drive thru's are there for your convenience.

If one has an issue with the corporate master, it must be taken up directly, or with an authorized agent of the corporation, not its franchisee.

otherwise, good info. However, getting something 95% correct is akin to being a little pregnant.
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Ac if you read the whole law, you would see that the only authorized use of FRN's is by federal reserve banks and their agents. That makes any bank handling frn's part of the federal reserve system as well as you if you are handling FRN's. So you local bank is operating as a federal reserve bank. And as they say the proof is in the pudding. People redeeming FRN's at their local banks are getting tax refunds where none would have been before. Get it, good. sk

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Take a look at your next credit card statement - does it not say - pay by cheque or money order...

What do you think the are telling you???
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That sending cash by mail is stupid?
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12USC411 says the federal reserve notes must be redeemed at the Treasury, Washington DC or any FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

The FRB's are the 12 district banks, not the local commercial joint...operating under LICENSE.

I think the concept is correct, but the execution is wrong.

McDonald's corporate headquarters is near Chicago Illinois. If I contract with this business (buy or sell something) I cannot go to the local franchise and present them with an invoice expecting payment. The obligations transacted by the parent corporation do not flow through to the licensee.

If one wants to enjoy the "benefits" of private credit, or a tasty burger, the banks or local drive thru's are there for your convenience.

If one has an issue with the corporate master, it must be taken up directly, or with an authorized agent of the corporation, not its franchisee.

otherwise, good info. However, getting something 95% correct is akin to being a little pregnant.
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Ac if you read the whole law, you would see that the only authorized use of FRN's is by federal reserve banks and their agents. That makes any bank handling frn's part of the federal reserve system as well as you if you are handling FRN's. So you local bank is operating as a federal reserve bank. And as they say the proof is in the pudding. People redeeming FRN's at their local banks are getting tax refunds where none would have been before. Get it, good. sk
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Under law, AGENCY cannot be casual or implied. One can't ACCIDENTALLY be anothers AGENT.

Do you understand what an AGENT is? It is a person or corporation who is able to LEGALLY BIND a PRINCIPAL, and make that principal LIABLE to an unrelated third party. In other words, an AGENT can make legally binding contracts on behalf of the PRINCIPAL as if the PRINCIPAL ITSELF had signed the contract.

So you are saying that by CASUAL USE of federal reserve notes, you (the user) AUTOMATICALLY become the AGENT of the federal reserve, and as such, YOU (the user) may legally BIND the fed contractually to a deal with an unrelated third party...acting as its agent?

And your proof of this is that some UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE, somewhere, got a refund they otherwise would not have received?

YOU CALL THAT PROOF?

That is specious reasoning, or pure BS, and it is a fools game to participate. Would you propose that people use that argument as a legal defense?

If you are an AGENT of the fed, and may legally BIND the fed contractually, why not go exercise that awesome new authority and sign a contract on their behalf.

I have already discounted the franchisee aspect, so where do you go now?

YOU are not an agent OR a franchisee of the fed. You are gulliver, bound by a billion silk threads carefully laid over centuries which have bound and stripped you of your vitality and livelihood. Thinking that this will all be undone with a rubber stamp and some purdy words is nonsense.
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12USC411 says the federal reserve notes must be redeemed at the Treasury, Washington DC or any FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

The FRB's are the 12 district banks, not the local commercial joint...operating under LICENSE.

I think the concept is correct, but the execution is wrong.

McDonald's corporate headquarters is near Chicago Illinois. If I contract with this business (buy or sell something) I cannot go to the local franchise and present them with an invoice expecting payment. The obligations transacted by the parent corporation do not flow through to the licensee.

If one wants to enjoy the "benefits" of private credit, or a tasty burger, the banks or local drive thru's are there for your convenience.

If one has an issue with the corporate master, it must be taken up directly, or with an authorized agent of the corporation, not its franchisee.

otherwise, good info. However, getting something 95% correct is akin to being a little pregnant.
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Ac if you read the whole law, you would see that the only authorized use of FRN's is by federal reserve banks and their agents. That makes any bank handling frn's part of the federal reserve system as well as you if you are handling FRN's. So you local bank is operating as a federal reserve bank. And as they say the proof is in the pudding. People redeeming FRN's at their local banks are getting tax refunds where none would have been before. Get it, good. sk
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OK Seeker, here is the WHOLE law. Go ahead and highlight where YOUR assertions (which I have highlighted for your convenience) can be found in the LAW. As one man once said..PUT MY FINGER ON THE LAW!

12USC411

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.


My interpretation of the wording is that this ACT recognizes a SECOND, lawful NATIONAL CURRENCY co-exists...which of course it does...the US NOTE...and that the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE exists for use only within a sterile corridor of commerce, and only cross-flows into the government arena to be accepted in payment for taxes, customs and PUBLIC (as opposed to private) dues.
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12USC411 says the federal reserve notes must be redeemed at the Treasury, Washington DC or any FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

The FRB's are the 12 district banks, not the local commercial joint...operating under LICENSE.

I think the concept is correct, but the execution is wrong.

McDonald's corporate headquarters is near Chicago Illinois. If I contract with this business (buy or sell something) I cannot go to the local franchise and present them with an invoice expecting payment. The obligations transacted by the parent corporation do not flow through to the licensee.

If one wants to enjoy the "benefits" of private credit, or a tasty burger, the banks or local drive thru's are there for your convenience.

If one has an issue with the corporate master, it must be taken up directly, or with an authorized agent of the corporation, not its franchisee.

otherwise, good info. However, getting something 95% correct is akin to being a little pregnant.
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Ac if you read the whole law, you would see that the only authorized use of FRN's is by federal reserve banks and their agents. That makes any bank handling frn's part of the federal reserve system as well as you if you are handling FRN's. So you local bank is operating as a federal reserve bank. And as they say the proof is in the pudding. People redeeming FRN's at their local banks are getting tax refunds where none would have been before. Get it, good. sk
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OK Seeker, here is the WHOLE law. Go ahead and highlight where YOUR assertions (which I have highlighted for your convenience) can be found in the LAW. As one man once said..PUT MY FINGER ON THE LAW!

12USC411

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.
As I read the above bolded, it says to me that FRN's are very limited in their usage ie by agents of the fed or member banks. This would tell me that all banks using FRN's are member banks and if you handle FRN's you are an agent. Since you are an employee and using a private parties money you must follow their rules and pay for use of their money. sk

My interpretation of the wording is that this ACT recognizes a SECOND, lawful NATIONAL CURRENCY co-exists...which of course it does...the US NOTE...and that the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE exists for use only within a sterile corridor of commerce, and only cross-flows into the government arena to be accepted in payment for taxes, customs and PUBLIC (as opposed to private) dues.
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