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Since the Treasury admits there are about 250 million US Notes in circulation.

HOW, exactly, can a man or woman redeem FRNS (or any credit) at Federal Reserve Banks? The NOTES are in circulation (in the hands of the public) and NOT held at Federal Reserve member banks!

Federal law still mandates there has to be a MAX of 300 million US Notes in Circulation for public use (and redemption for those demanding it).

There is no better way to meet this requirement for people who do NOT have the red sealed notes and the BANKS could not get them since no new US Notes have been issued since the 1970's.

The only viable option would be to includea US Note on every newly issued FRN (as I have pointed out) so anyone making their demand for lawful money could be given their lawful money!WOW, those guys really ARE smart! Hiding that pesky 'lawful money' US Note right there in plain sight!

Again, this is for the FRN above the 1 and 2 $ denomination, since, as I pointed out, those easily 'redeemed' in US Coin upon demand at any bank, or grocery store, for that matter.

Maybe the letter of the law (redemption AT Fed member banks by federal reserve agents) is not being fully filled when I demand redemption at the gas station for a 1 FRN for 4 US .25 cent coins, but the coins are still not property of the Federal Reserve and are public money.

So easy a cave man could get it. But the 'expert' on this thread cannot figure out how to get those dang US Notes he so deeply needs for redemption...and the letter of the law states he has a right to get UPON DEMAND.
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from an article on the FRN (published in the early 1900's)
the series of articles compares and contrasts the various forms of US paper currencies.


"The fifth class, which is the Federal reserve note, likewise differs from the other four. This note is similar in some particulars to the national-bank note in character and in the procedure for issuing and redeeming it"
[link to www.oldandsold.com]

Even in the early 1900's it was clearly known and accepted that the place to demand and redeem all paper currency was at the local BANK.

Does the shill-at-large really expect me to ignore over 200 years of banking, legislative and common practice where people would redeem paper currency of every National form at their local banks?

But now, I would have to travel hundreds or thousands of miles to a "Federal Reserve member bank" to demand and redeem Federal Reserve Notes?

NEVER, in any issuance of any federal/National currency was there any presumption nor assumption that redemption could only take place at a few places in the Continental US. National Currency (even if not backed or fractionally backed by gold or silver reserves) was attractive to people because they could redeem it at any participating local bank!

In fact, one of the main reasons 'private bank' notes of individual and State banks was done away with in favor of National banks was because of the distance one had to travel to redeem notes or the limited number of banks/stores/people that would accept them as a legal tender.

Historically, the further away you were from the issuing bank, the less the NOTE was worth due to the hassle of getting redemption in coin or US Notes.

The entire premise of the FRN MUST BE REDEEMED AT Federal Reserve Banks is utterly stupid and ignores the entire historical nature and reason for Central/National banking/currency in the united States.

Take a breath, accept that your premise is flawed and STUPID and start demanding your redemption or remain ignorant to the FACTS and HISTORY and act like you know what you are talking about.
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From the Treasury Website:

What are United States Notes and how are they different from Federal Reserve notes?

United States Notes (characterized by a red seal and serial number) were the first national currency, authorized by the Legal Tender Act of 1862 and began circulating during the Civil War. The Treasury Department issued these notes directly into circulation, and they are obligations of the United States Government. The issuance of United States Notes is subject to limitations established by Congress. It established a statutory limitation of $300 million on the amount of United States Notes authorized to be outstanding and in circulation. While this was a significant figure in Civil War days, it is now a very small fraction of the total currency in circulation in the United States.

Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971.

Yeah, except the US taxpayer pays INTEREST to use one and not the other...and that issuance of US NOTES does not add to the Federal deficit lol

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 authorized the production and circulation of Federal Reserve notes. Although the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) prints these notes, they move into circulation through the Federal Reserve System. They are obligations of both the Federal Reserve System and the United States Government. On Federal Reserve notes, the seals and serial numbers appear in green.
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I found the following which is interesting, although I have not yet found any supporting confirmation:


To illustrate how some people were confused by this, consider the following correspondence between the U.S. Treasury and citizen of Cleveland. 2


December 9, 1947
Honorable John W. Snyder
Sec. of the Treasury
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir:

I am sending you herewith via registered mail one ten-dollar Federal Reserve note. On this note is inscribed the following:

"This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private, and is redeemable in lawful money at the United States Treasury or at any Federal Reserve bank."
In accordance with this statement, will you send me $10.00 in lawful money?
Very truly yours,
A.F. Davis

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December 11, 1947
Mr. A.F. Davis
12818 Colt Road
Cleveland 1, Ohio

Dear Mr. Davis,

Receipt is acknowledged of your letter of December 9th with enclosure of one ten dollar Federal Reserve note.

In compliance with your request, two five-dollar United States notes are transmitted herewith.

Very truly yours,
M.E. Slindee,
Acting Treasurer

*****
December 23, 1947
Mr. M.E. Slindee
Acting Treasurer
Treasury Department
Fiscal Service
Washington 25, D.C.

Dear Sir:

Receipt is hereby acknowledged of two $5.00 United States notes, which we interpret from your letter to be considered lawful money. Are we to infer from this that Federal Reserve notes are not lawful money?

I am enclosing one of the $5.00 notes which you sent me. I note that it states on the face,
"The United States of America will pay to the bearer on demand five dollars."

I am hereby demanding five dollars.

Very truly yours,
A.F. Davis

*****

December 29, 1947

Mr. A.F. Davis
12818 Colt Road
Cleveland 1, Ohio

Dear Mr. Davis:

Receipt is acknowledged of your letter of December 23rd, transmitting one $5 United States note with a demand for payment of five dollars.

Your are advised that the term "lawful money" has not been defined in federal legislation. It first came to use prior to 1933 when some United States currency was not legal tender but could be held by national banking institutions as lawful money reserves. Since the act of May 12, 1933, as amended by the Joint Resolution of June 5, 1933, makes all coins and currency of the United States legal tender and the Joint Resolution of August 27, 1935, provides for the exchange of United States coin or currency for other types of such coin or currency, the term "lawful money" no longer has such special significance.

The $5 United States note received with your letter of December 23rd is returned herewith.

Very truly yours,
M.E. Slindee,
Acting Treasurer

*****
It is understandable how reasonable people can become confused when studying the history of the terms 'lawful money' and 'legal tender' in U.S. history. The blame for this rests with Congress who never bothered to define lawful money when it first used the term. However, the line of thinking that it is defined by the constitution as only gold or silver coin is incorrect. The constitution makes no such definition. Moreover, the restriction that States not make anything but gold or silver a legal tender does not apply to Congress, only to the States. Congress may declare anything it wishes a legal tender. And as the history above shows, it certainly has.


Here is the link: [link to famguardian.org]
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the post above clearly shows (its been posted already in the thread) that legal tender isnot lawful money until it is accepted or endorsed as such.

The cleverly worded responses that Lawful money is not defined is utter and complete tripe. The founding LAW of the land defines the Dollar of the united State as a gold or silver coin of specific weight and purity.

Just because some bought off judge claims there is no such definition of lawful money of the land is does not make it true.

Gold and Silver coin have been considered lawful money for payment of debt since written history has recorded such things. And its role as lawful money of the land in this nation is not in question, accept for paid off judges and justices who would not understand "original intent" if it slapped them in their faces and if they did, they would lie about it.

The law of the land is NOT what they say it is, nor has it ever been, it is self evident and comes from a higher source than the men in black dresses defending their private banker overlords.

FRNs shall be redeemable in lawful money on demand, how the hell can they be redeemable in lawful money if they are lawful money when they are issued?

Utter double speak nonsense.
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the post above clearly shows (its been posted already in the thread) that legal tender isnot lawful money until it is accepted or endorsed as such.

The cleverly worded responses that Lawful money is not defined is utter and complete tripe. The founding LAW of the land defines the Dollar of the united State as a gold or silver coin of specific weight and purity.

Just because some bought off judge claims there is no such definition of lawful money of the land is does not make it true.

Gold and Silver coin have been considered lawful money for payment of debt since written history has recorded such things. And its role as lawful money of the land in this nation is not in question, accept for paid off judges and justices who would not understand "original intent" if it slapped them in their faces and if they did, they would lie about it.

The law of the land is NOT what they say it is, nor has it ever been, it is self evident and comes from a higher source than the men in black dresses defending their private banker overlords.

FRNs shall be redeemable in lawful money on demand, how the hell can they be redeemable in lawful money if they are lawful money when they are issued?

Utter double speak nonsense.
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Since the FED must maintain lawful reserves (in the form of Treasury securities and other lawful money on a 1:1 basis) it would seem that the FED Notes are already endorsed and bonded since the Treasury (and us citizens) are guarantors of FRN's via the FULL FAITH AND CREDIT clause. In other words, the FRN is worthless without the guarantee provided by the treasury, of which the signatures and seal appear on the FRN...and would seem to require no further endorsements.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Looks like someone tried to do a lawful money redemption and the FED person told them to go to the treasury.

Note, he wasn't reacting like the commercial banks did...they just said they didn't do redemptions there.
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From the Treasury Website:

What are United States Notes and how are they different from Federal Reserve notes?

United States Notes (characterized by a red seal and serial number) were the first national currency, authorized by the Legal Tender Act of 1862 and began circulating during the Civil War. The Treasury Department issued these notes directly into circulation, and they are obligations of the United States Government. The issuance of United States Notes is subject to limitations established by Congress. It established a statutory limitation of $300 million on the amount of United States Notes authorized to be outstanding and in circulation. While this was a significant figure in Civil War days, it is now a very small fraction of the total currency in circulation in the United States.

Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971.

Yeah, except the US taxpayer pays INTEREST to use one and not the other...and that issuance of US NOTES does not add to the Federal deficit lol

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 authorized the production and circulation of Federal Reserve notes. Although the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) prints these notes, they move into circulation through the Federal Reserve System. They are obligations of both the Federal Reserve System and the United States Government. On Federal Reserve notes, the seals and serial numbers appear in green.
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The major difference is this: US notes are always obligations of the USand obligations of the US are NOT SUBJECT TO INCOME TAX.

Federal Reserve NOTES (and other private debt are obligations when they are issued, but once endorsed or used for unauthorized purposes, they become obligations of the endorser. and all taxes, debts and obligations are passed from the Government to the endorser.

That is a huge difference, and its not just 'interest' obligations the endorser takes on, its all the debt represented by Federal Reserve Credit/debt.

All of this has been posted in the thread.
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the post above clearly shows (its been posted already in the thread) that legal tender isnot lawful money until it is accepted or endorsed as such.

The cleverly worded responses that Lawful money is not defined is utter and complete tripe. The founding LAW of the land defines the Dollar of the united State as a gold or silver coin of specific weight and purity.

Just because some bought off judge claims there is no such definition of lawful money of the land is does not make it true.

Gold and Silver coin have been considered lawful money for payment of debt since written history has recorded such things. And its role as lawful money of the land in this nation is not in question, accept for paid off judges and justices who would not understand "original intent" if it slapped them in their faces and if they did, they would lie about it.

The law of the land is NOT what they say it is, nor has it ever been, it is self evident and comes from a higher source than the men in black dresses defending their private banker overlords.

FRNs shall be redeemable in lawful money on demand, how the hell can they be redeemable in lawful money if they are lawful money when they are issued?

Utter double speak nonsense.
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Since the FED must maintain lawful reserves (in the form of Treasury securities and other lawful money on a 1:1 basis) it would seem that the FED Notes are already endorsed and bonded since the Treasury (and us citizens) are guarantors of FRN's via the FULL FAITH AND CREDIT clause. In other words, the FRN is worthless without the guarantee provided by the treasury, of which the signatures and seal appear on the FRN...and would seem to require no further endorsements.
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Bullshit, the FED has ZERO reserves, nothing, and you cannot provide proof otherwise. Maybe when it was founded, but not today, only the "full faith and credit of the united States" backs the Feds promises to pay.

The labor, goods and services of the US Citizen 'back' the DEBT created by the Federal Reserve.

The Government cannot write BONDS to the Fed forcing me to back their DEBT, its against the law. I have to voluntarily bond and submit myself, my labor and my energy to them.

I am not a human resource nor a peon. I demand lawful money and because they will not give it to me, the obligation to pay the DEBT (and any interest or penalties associated with it) remains with them.

They took my access to lawful money (no matter what anyone says about going to the Fed member bank, they will not give me Gold or silver coin, so stuff that idea). I cannot lawfully therefore, pay debts I owe, since they took the gold in 1933, they have to pay the debts. I do not endorse it nor will I pledge my goods, services and labor to them to pay the debt THEY create.

I demand lawful money, on the record because it leaves the obligation to pay with those who are in violation of the law of the land. Congress, the courts and the District of Columbia.
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"There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services.

Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity BUT THEY ARE REDEEMABLE IN LAWFUL MONEY 12-usc 411, and receive no backing by anything This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."

[link to www.treasury.gov]

RED BOLD added by me.

When you endorse the un-backed FEDERAL reserve credit, you pledge everything you have or ever will have to pay the debt, everything means everything, your children, your body EVERYTHING.

The is the insidious nature of ENDORSEMENT, who in their right mind, would give everything to international bankers by NOT restricting their endorsements on EVERYTHING?

But hey, the government is all about full disclosure, right?!?! LOL!!!!! What a crock.
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From the Treasury Website:

What are United States Notes and how are they different from Federal Reserve notes?

United States Notes (characterized by a red seal and serial number) were the first national currency, authorized by the Legal Tender Act of 1862 and began circulating during the Civil War. The Treasury Department issued these notes directly into circulation, and they are obligations of the United States Government. The issuance of United States Notes is subject to limitations established by Congress. It established a statutory limitation of $300 million on the amount of United States Notes authorized to be outstanding and in circulation. While this was a significant figure in Civil War days, it is now a very small fraction of the total currency in circulation in the United States.

Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971.

Yeah, except the US taxpayer pays INTEREST to use one and not the other...and that issuance of US NOTES does not add to the Federal deficit lol

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 authorized the production and circulation of Federal Reserve notes. Although the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) prints these notes, they move into circulation through the Federal Reserve System. They are obligations of both the Federal Reserve System and the United States Government. On Federal Reserve notes, the seals and serial numbers appear in green.
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The major difference is this: US notes are always obligations of the USand obligations of the US are NOT SUBJECT TO INCOME TAX.

Where is the LAW on that? You are saying that if one is PAID in US NOTES, the payment is NOT TAXABLE under LAW? Where is the authority/support/proof for this statement derived??

Federal Reserve NOTES (and other private debt are obligations when they are issued, but once endorsed or used for unauthorized purposes, they become obligations of the endorser. and all taxes, debts and obligations are passed from the Government to the endorser.

You are stating that using a FRN is acting as an ENDORSEMENT, and that such ENDORSEMENT makes the user PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE for the interest payments accruing...and that the Treasury is then the BACKUP guarantor? I suppose that would explain why the IRS is a division of the Treasury...if the primary obligator (user of FRN) "defaults" on the payment interest (1040 taxes) the Treasury would then be responsible for the interest?

That is a huge difference, and its not just 'interest' obligations the endorser takes on, its all the debt represented by Federal Reserve Credit/debt.

1040 collections all go to servicing the national debt

All of this has been posted in the thread.
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the post above clearly shows (its been posted already in the thread) that legal tender isnot lawful money until it is accepted or endorsed as such.

The cleverly worded responses that Lawful money is not defined is utter and complete tripe. The founding LAW of the land defines the Dollar of the united State as a gold or silver coin of specific weight and purity.

Just because some bought off judge claims there is no such definition of lawful money of the land is does not make it true.

Gold and Silver coin have been considered lawful money for payment of debt since written history has recorded such things. And its role as lawful money of the land in this nation is not in question, accept for paid off judges and justices who would not understand "original intent" if it slapped them in their faces and if they did, they would lie about it.

The law of the land is NOT what they say it is, nor has it ever been, it is self evident and comes from a higher source than the men in black dresses defending their private banker overlords.

FRNs shall be redeemable in lawful money on demand, how the hell can they be redeemable in lawful money if they are lawful money when they are issued?

Utter double speak nonsense.
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Since the FED must maintain lawful reserves (in the form of Treasury securities and other lawful money on a 1:1 basis) it would seem that the FED Notes are already endorsed and bonded since the Treasury (and us citizens) are guarantors of FRN's via the FULL FAITH AND CREDIT clause. In other words, the FRN is worthless without the guarantee provided by the treasury, of which the signatures and seal appear on the FRN...and would seem to require no further endorsements.
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Bullshit, the FED has ZERO reserves, nothing, and you cannot provide proof otherwise. Maybe when it was founded, but not today, only the "full faith and credit of the united States" backs the Feds promises to pay.

What the HELL is this, then?
10. Collateral Held against Federal Reserve Notes: Federal Reserve Agents' Accounts...looks to be 2.5 TRILLION as of the end of July 2012...COLLATERAL = SECURITIES/GUARANTEES///

[link to www.federalreserve.gov]


The labor, goods and services of the US Citizen 'back' the DEBT created by the Federal Reserve.

Well, obviously, since US NOTES, T BILLS and other LAWFUL money are guaranteed by the FULL FAITH AND CREDIT CLAUSE. I do note that the FED appears to have 11 billion or so of gold or gold paper

The Government cannot write BONDS to the Fed forcing me to back their DEBT, its against the law. I have to voluntarily bond and submit myself, my labor and my energy to them.

Where is the LAW on this? Are you saying that your ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES cannot contractually enter into agreements in which you personally are the ultimate backer/payer of the assumed debt? Ever hear of treaty law? Don't you realize that REPRESENTATIVES in COngress are your duly appointed AGENTS?

I am not a human resource nor a peon. I demand lawful money and because they will not give it to me, the obligation to pay the DEBT (and any interest or penalties associated with it) remains with them.

Until you have tried to do a REDEMPTION and been denied, you cannot make that statement. If one were going to try and make this case defensible in a court of law, it would seem that having a documented request for redemption, made exactly as required in 12USC411 would be an absolute defense...in other words, you made the demand and were unlawfully denied! Under contract law, that would prove you were coerced/forced to use private credit to avoid impingement to your rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. At the very least, it would be a valuable adjunct to any other processes you believe are effective.Following up the rejection, if in fact one occurred, with a demand to congress to right this illegal action would subject those who ignored your demand to charges of treason for failing to uphold the law.

They took my access to lawful money (no matter what anyone says about going to the Fed member bank, they will not give me Gold or silver coin, so stuff that idea).

Gold and Silver is a red herring...that has been beat to death. The question is strictly redemption of LAWFUL MONEY, which appears to be US NOTES or US MINT COINAGE...or other direct obligations of the USG

I cannot lawfully therefore, pay debts I owe, since they took the gold in 1933, they have to pay the debts. I do not endorse it nor will I pledge my goods, services and labor to them to pay the debt THEY create.



I demand lawful money, on the record because it leaves the obligation to pay with those who are in violation of the law of the land. Congress, the courts and the District of Columbia.
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The major difference is this: US notes are always obligations of the USand obligations of the US are NOT SUBJECT TO INCOME TAX.


SHOW ME THE LAW WHICH VALIDATES YOUR CLAIM!!
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"Where is the LAW on that? You are saying that if one is PAID in US NOTES, the payment is NOT TAXABLE under LAW? Where is the authority/support/proof for this statement derived??"

I am saying that NOTHING is "paid" with anything but Gold or silver coin, NOTHING. That includes US Notes, they are evidence of DEBT, not a tender (to hold out) is not and never has been payment. The law requires payment in Gold or silver coin at face value of the coin. Debt may be transferred, but it is not paid with more debt.

FIAT money means everything is 100% plus interest TAX. If you want the LAW on that, you need to review the past 6000 years of history.

You have no lawful title to anything because you have never paid for anything, including any taxes owed.

"You are stating that using a FRN is acting as an ENDORSEMENT, and that such ENDORSEMENT makes the user PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE for the interest payments accruing...and that the Treasury is then the BACKUP guarantor?
I suppose that would explain why the IRS is a division of the Treasury...if the primary obligator (user of FRN) "defaults" on the payment interest (1040 taxes) the Treasury would then be responsible for the interest?"


I am saying that the is ONE signature on each note which requires a second endorser, since there are 2 notes, you are adding (or presumed to be adding) your endorsement to the Federal Reserve NOTE on the right side, unless and until you tell them otherwise via your restricted endorsement (which, in effect, adds your signature endorsement to the left side of the BILL, the US Treasury NOTE. Yes, the 1040 is another way of assuming this debt onto the US Citizen, or it is another way to tell the IRS of your demand for lawful money per 12-USC 411. If there is a tax to pay, it REMAINS with the ISSUER of the debt (the original primary endorser, the Sec. of Treasury).

The Government is already in DEFAULT and has been since 1933,(The NEW DEAL, get it?). The Government/Treasury was the primary endorser, but now the US Taxpayer/Citizen, as the second endorser, is on the hook for everything he/she chooses to endorse and accept.

If I owe 100 dollars for anything, but I cannot access 2 50 dollar US coins at face value, I cannot 'pay'. Those 2 gold coins were taken in 1933 from my Grandfather via the New deal. They are held in trust by the Treasury (300 million).


I now have a choice, I can work off the DEBT and DISCHARGE it under the rules of Bankruptcy (an obligation created by the Government not being able to pay its debts in gold and silver) and pass the debt onto every other US Citizen now and future.

Or, I can demand my access to the TRUST account set up in the new deal and demand the GOVERNMENT pay that debt, since they TOOK on that obligation by stealing my inherent right to Gold or Silver coins and true ownership of land, goods and services.

The choice is MINE to make. That is the deal they offered my Grandfather (give up your gold and your rights that go along with actually paying your debts and WE will pay them for you by pledging the "goods and services" you create to our debtors).

Or, I can demand lawful money per 12 USC 411 and leave the obligation on those creating the debt in the first place, Congress and the Treasury and claim my lawful rights as one of the people not a peon.

Income tax would also be an obligation they would have to pay, if, in fact, it is owed on lawful money any 1040 I file would simply be to inform the IRS of that fact and they could collect it from the original issuer of the DEBT being SERVICED.
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From the ABOVE LINK TO THE FED Collateral Held against Federal Reserve Notes: Federal Reserve Agents' Accounts

Less: Notes held by F.R. Banks not subject to collateralization $208,086,000

Of course, notes held by Federal Reserve banks NOT SUBJECT TO COLLATERALIZATION is the very definition of US NOTES, since US NOTES DO NOT REQUIRE COLLATERAL SINCE THEY ARE LAWFUL MONEY. Also note that treasury bills and bonds are held in a separate category on that balance sheet...so it ain't them.

So, it is obvious that the FED is holding just over 200 billion in US NOTES which would be LAWFUL MONEY available for redemption. I would guess that a careful reading of the Treasury balance sheets will reveal the other hundred million, or so US NOTES, less any which would still be in circulation (Remember, a total of $300 million was the total authorized by congress). I wouldn't be surprised if the commercial banks have the ability to pull the occasional US NOTE out of circulation.

Based on this, I have a high level of confidence that redemption takes place in US NOTES, and that the FED or Treasury would require a PHYSICAL REDEMPTION/PRESENTMENT for the exchange. Like all things legalistic, I assume there is a specific method of presentment which would need to take place to effect the conversion.

So study the FRB collateralization chart 708 and you will see what I said was exactly correct...every FRN is backed 1:1 with lawful money, which is comprised of treasury/USG securities, US NOTES and some gold type holdings.
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From the ABOVE LINK TO THE FED Collateral Held against Federal Reserve Notes: Federal Reserve Agents' Accounts

Less: Notes held by F.R. Banks not subject to collateralization $208,086,000

Of course, notes held by Federal Reserve banks NOT SUBJECT TO COLLATERALIZATION is the very definition of US NOTES, since US NOTES DO NOT REQUIRE COLLATERAL SINCE THEY ARE LAWFUL MONEY. Also note that treasury bills and bonds are held in a separate category on that balance sheet...so it ain't them.

So, it is obvious that the FED is holding just over 200 billion in US NOTES which would be LAWFUL MONEY available for redemption. I would guess that a careful reading of the Treasury balance sheets will reveal the other hundred million, or so US NOTES, less any which would still be in circulation (Remember, a total of $300 million was the total authorized by congress). I wouldn't be surprised if the commercial banks have the ability to pull the occasional US NOTE out of circulation.

Based on this, I have a high level of confidence that redemption takes place in US NOTES, and that the FED or Treasury would require a PHYSICAL REDEMPTION/PRESENTMENT for the exchange. Like all things legalistic, I assume there is a specific method of presentment which would need to take place to effect the conversion.

So study the FRB collateralization chart 708 and you will see what I said was exactly correct...every FRN is backed 1:1 with lawful money, which is comprised of treasury/USG securities, US NOTES and some gold type holdings.
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FRNS are only a very small fraction of Federal Reserve credit/debt, which is at least 16 trillion now, and it is always expressed in a $ value for every man, woman and child in the US (can you say HUMAN CAPITOL/COLLATERAL?). You are either included in that human capitol/collateral or you are not.

What separates you from I in the eyes of the Treasury, IRS and Federal Government if NOT my restricted endorsement on every single bank or credit transaction I restrictively endorse?

Even IF the actual FRN is 1:1 with US Notes (another reason you will find a US Treasury Note on each currently issued FRN BILL) if true (again above the 1 and 2$ notes) it is further proof that US Treasury notes are already in your pocket and the only thing lacking is your DEMAND for redemption of said notes. If what you post is true, you have just confirmed my assertion of the 2 faced BILL having 2 separate and distinct NOTES.

You are seeking an answer How do get US Bank Notes, well, you need to go to a Federal Reserve BANK and ask them, I have mine. You will find if they give you anything, it will be exactly what I have (and you have) already.
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Hmm, it seems there are 1.8 trillion $ worth of FRN BILLS .

Since Federal law mandates only 300 million US Notes can be in circulation, your 1:1 ratio does not add up.
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"There was approximately $1.1 trillion in circulation as of August 22, 2012, of which $1.08 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes."

The real question is what happens when 300 million in lawful money demands are made in any one year by the people?
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A careful study of history would also show the 300 million (face value) of Gold coins taken in 1933 and held in trust for redeemers of lawful money are the exact same coins given to the people who redeemed their GREEN BACKS issued by the Destroyer of the republic, Honest ABE.

That is NOT the property of the United States, nor the District of Columbia, nor the US, it is public money and has been since the 1800's when it was first minted under Congressional Constitutional authority.

The Government cannot tax what is not theirs. Nobody can, lawfully.
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One thing we can agree on, every jot and tittle of the law must be fulfilled.

You will find, as many other have, you cannot access the Gold and silver coins that are the and always have been the Dollar of the Republic (even if some of those dollars were Silver eagle pesos from Spain, lol).

That being the case, the question of getting the red sealed US notes is not relavent to me.

Since the current Government makes it nearly impossible to pay my debts with truly lawful money (gold and silver coin) they bear the lawful weight of paying for what goods and services I produce (a workman is worthy of his hire) and that is the law.
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Hmm, it seems there are 1.8 trillion $ worth of FRN BILLS .

Since Federal law mandates only 300 million US Notes can be in circulation, your 1:1 ratio does not add up.
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Not familiar with financial statements, are we?

Federal Reserve notes outstanding 1,289,255
Less: Notes held by F.R. Banks not subject to collateralization 208,086
Federal Reserve notes to be collateralized 1,081,169

FRN NOTES OUTSTANDING MINUS NOTES NOT SUBJECT TO COLLATERAL IE US NOTES equals 1,081,160 to be collateralized

Below is how the collateral is held

Collateral held against Federal Reserve notes 1,081,169
Gold certificate account 11,037
Special drawing rights certificate account 5,200
U.S. Treasury, agency debt, and mortgage-backed securities pledged 1,2 1,064,932
Other assets pledged 0

Note that EVERY FRN issued is backed by a US NOTE OR A US GOVERNMENT SECURITY OR GOLD...exact to the dollar!

Any other questions?
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One thing we can agree on, every jot and tittle of the law must be fulfilled.

agreed

You will find, as many other have, you cannot access the Gold and silver coins that are the and always have been the Dollar of the Republic (even if some of those dollars were Silver eagle pesos from Spain, lol).

agreed...never claimed that one could redeem for gold or silver

That being the case, the question of getting the red sealed US notes is not relavent to me.

It would most certainly be relevant IF...IF your claim that using US NOTES would relieve one from the liability of filing a TAX RETURN...which, I add, has not been proved by you yet despite my numerous requests.

Since the current Government makes it nearly impossible to pay my debts with truly lawful money (gold and silver coin) they bear the lawful weight of paying for what goods and services I produce (a workman is worthy of his hire) and that is the law.

Again and again, you provide conclusions which sound good in theory, but unless you can back that up with black letter law, it just sounds like happy talk.

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A careful study of history would also show the 300 million (face value) of Gold coins taken in 1933 and held in trust for redeemers of lawful money are the exact same coins given to the people who redeemed their GREEN BACKS issued by the Destroyer of the republic, Honest ABE.

That is NOT the property of the United States, nor the District of Columbia, nor the US, it is public money and has been since the 1800's when it was first minted under Congressional Constitutional authority.

The Government cannot tax what is not theirs. Nobody can, lawfully.
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What exactly does this mean? By definition, one would not apply a tax to what one owns already.

The constitution provides for a government administered by the elected representatives of those governed. In order for the government to provide constitutionally approved services, such as defense and infrastructure, taxes are levied.

I'm looking for the legal/lawful proof of your statement that US NOTES were not subject to income tax in the way that FRN's supposedly are. That is a big assertion and I want to know where that supposed authority comes from.

I do retract the use of the word PAID as I understand your technical distinction. Let's say instead that if one were to receive income, from whatever sources derived...as per the IRS verbiage...and in one case the income was FRN's and the other US NOTES...you are saying that one requires filing and payment of tax and one does not?

If that is what you are stating, where is your black letter law proof or court findings?

Proof, or it didn't happen
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A careful study of history would also show the 300 million (face value) of Gold coins taken in 1933 and held in trust for redeemers of lawful money are the exact same coins given to the people who redeemed their GREEN BACKS issued by the Destroyer of the republic, Honest ABE.

That is NOT the property of the United States, nor the District of Columbia, nor the US, it is public money and has been since the 1800's when it was first minted under Congressional Constitutional authority.

The Government cannot tax what is not theirs. Nobody can, lawfully.
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What exactly does this mean? By definition, one would not apply a tax to what one owns already.

FRNs and Federal Reserve CREDIT is private, not government property. Direct tax on labor and income tax initiated by the Government have both been ruled unconstitutional and/or are forbidden.

Personal income tax is a direct result of the private FEDERAL RESERVE issuing credit to the endorsing US Citizen who uses those product VOLUNTARILY and by doing so, agrees to the terms SET BY THE OWNER of the property.

You use their property or their product, you owe them a FEE. You really need to read the thread, I am getting tired of posting this again and again. The FEDERAL RESERVE taxes it because THEY OWN IT. And yes, I can charge a tax on property I already "own" when someone else is USING my property, that is so basic, your comment does not make any sense.


The constitution provides for a government administered by the elected representatives of those governed
. In order for the government to provide constitutionally approved services, such as defense and infrastructure, taxes are levied.

That was a GOOD ONE! I had to stop laughing at that all night before responding. The District of Columbia is NOT a representative republic, nor is it Governed by the Constitution which governed the Republic. But that is an illusion they like to put out, I am a bit puzzled why you believe that or was it just a strawman set up?

The FEDERAL RESERVE and its contractual agreement with Congress are extra constitutional, what the constitution says or does not say on the matter is irrelevant. And the second part is utter propaganda. The Government is run 100% from CREDIT issued by the Federal Reserve. To be paid back NOT in TAX revenue, but in "goods and services at face value" of the credit.

That is why Federal Reserve CREDIT is BACKED "by all goods and services in the US Economy". The GDP 'pays' the Federal, by pledging and titling every "thing" their credit is backed by to them. "Federal reserve notes represent a FIRST LIEN on all collateral (ALL goods and services in the US Economy). That is why you need a permit to build onto your house, for example, because that house has a lien on it from the FEDERAL RESERVE, WHY? Because every single stick of wood, nail and item used in it is PLEDGED to the FEDERAL RESERVE as collateral on the DEBT the US owes them. That includes YOU, by the way, US Citizen endorsing their product and using their CURRENCY to live! There is your "black letter law" it's CONTRACT ENDORSEMENT.


I'm looking for the legal/lawful proof of your statement that US NOTES were not subject to income tax in the way that FRN's supposedly are. That is a big assertion and I want to know where that supposed authority comes from.

I do retract the use of the word PAID as I understand your technical distinction. Let's say instead that if one were to receive income, from whatever sources derived...as per the IRS verbiage...and in one case the income was FRN's and the other US NOTES...you are saying that one requires filing and payment of tax and one does not?

If that is what you are stating, where is your black letter law proof or court findings?

That is exactly what I am saying. You are required to give an "accounting" for all the Federal Reserve Credit (product) you use in any given year (income/1040 from any source derived). It is part of your contractual agreement for using their property. I do not use their property and they have been informed of that, I owe them nothing. Nor is any good and service I produce pledged to them. I would love for them to claim otherwise, because my PROOF of claim is on every single bank transaction I do, a written NON-endorsement and a demand for LAWFUL MONEY per 12-USC 411.

Feel free to contact the criminal investigation division and report this thread and me or, you can contact these guys:
[link to www.tax-whistleblower.com]

or

[link to www.irs.gov]

They will even give you 30% of what I 'owe' if they win.


But, tell me, exactly WHY there would be any cases? No rules are violated, no taxes evaded, that is the nature of REMEDY. The Government/IRS cannot bring a case when no rules are broken what are they going to prosecute when no crime nor contractual agreement has been committed.


Proof, or it didn't happen

Court cases are not proof, but the lack of any prosecution of anyone redeeming lawful money to this date is. You cannot be naive enough to believe a Federal prosecutor (or Federal Judge) would go ahead with a case to prove this KNOWING they would lose, that is not how their system works.
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There are at least a dozen Article III court cases on the record with default judgments, all opened with redeemed lawful money so if you are looking for court judgments as "proof" they are on the record already.

[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net] David will be happy to give you the case numbers and you can go to a district court house and look at the records yourself.

I will give David permission to give you my Art III case number and you can use that information to give to the IRS or the attorneys I linked above.

Have at it.
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Hmm, it seems there are 1.8 trillion $ worth of FRN BILLS .

Since Federal law mandates only 300 million US Notes can be in circulation, your 1:1 ratio does not add up.
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Not familiar with financial statements, are we?

The guys at ENRON, Bear Clays and AIG were familiar with financial statements and I am sure the District of Columbias' books are just as cooked.

Federal Reserve notes outstanding 1,289,255
Less: Notes held by F.R. Banks not subject to collateralization 208,086
Federal Reserve notes to be collateralized 1,081,169

FRN NOTES OUTSTANDING MINUS NOTES NOT SUBJECT TO COLLATERAL IE US NOTES equals 1,081,160 to be collateralized

Below is how the collateral is held

Collateral held against Federal Reserve notes 1,081,169
Gold certificate account 11,037
Special drawing rights certificate account 5,200
U.S. Treasury, agency debt, and mortgage-backed securities pledged 1,2 1,064,932
Other assets pledged 0

Note that EVERY FRN issued is backed by a US NOTE OR A US GOVERNMENT SECURITY OR GOLD...exact to the dollar!

Any other questions?
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No questions, but some clarification. Gold Certificates are NOT physical gold. So its paper backing paper. Tell me, how much gold is there Verses Gold CERTS and at what "price" per ounce is the Gold CERT covering? Current market value? If so, it is an elastic amount, in elastic currency pricing. Same with any other paper, in most cases, not worth the paper it is written on.

Hardly a "backing". AS for the rest of the backing, its mostly paper or electronic smoke and mirrors.

Of course, the REAL backing are all the Goods and services pledged by the US Peon endorser for the credit, what you have is a modern, high tech version of voluntary servitude (a legalese term for slavery by deception).

And its all perfectly legal.
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An EXCELLENT write up on the "illegality of legal tender" here:

[link to www.thefreemanonline.org]

"These flawed decisions upholding legal tender, when considered in conjunction with the reasoning of earlier cases, indicate that legal tender laws lack a firm basis in constitutional law. Even without that basis, the decisions of Knox v. Lee and Juilliard v. Greenman served as dangerous precedents for the government’s monetary monopoly. "

From the write up.

Please notice that it was not until AFTER the Civil War (which, for all practical purposes ended the Constitutional Republic for the united States and started Democracy in the District of Columbia.
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[link to documents.jdsupra.com]

Another great write up about "implied powers" of Congress, of course, anyone who has read this thread will see that "implied powers" belief is just a cover up for Maritime/Commercial law being brought onto the land under a high water mark.

It is my OPINION that Congress and the courts somehow think their "right to contract" is unlimited, I do not agree.
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708, we have had a spirited debate relative to the redemption process of Federal Reserve Notes, and relating factors.

Although I believe that you have made a grave error in ASSUMING that the local commercial banks are authorized agents of the federal reserve and treasury, and although the language of 12USC411 is quite specific, and although I have demonstrated that the FED is holding $200 million of the $300 million US NOTES which you claim are in circulation thereby demonstrating redemption capability, and I have clearly demonstrated that a federal reserve bank is NOT a commercial bank...and further proved that federal reserve banks are independent and chartered agents deriving their charter and authority from the federal reserve board of governors in DC..and one can assume they are NOT the agent of the US treasury...

I offer one final point for your consideration...made earlier but ignored, as well as a summation:

They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

at/at/
Preposition:
Expressing location or arrival in a particular place or position: "they live at Conway House".


by/bī/
Preposition:
Identifying the agent performing an action.

in/in/
Adjective:
Present at one's home or office: "we knocked but there was no one in".

So, that leaves DEMAND, which may be used as a NOUN or a VERB.

The NOUN: a CLAIM or LEGAL OBLIGATION and

The VERB: An insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right

Very interesting choice of words...in one sense, denoting and underscoring the legal obligation for redemption, and the other imposing a DUTY, an insistent and peremptory request on the part of the redeemer... a lot going on with that one word.

So, which prevails? DUTY, always.

For example, under law a plaintiff may win a suit and have a judgement awarded entitling the plaintiff to damages. Say the defendant does not pay...

The plaintiff is BARRED from bringing (say)an action of contempt unless and until it is PROVED that a DEMAND FOR PAYMENT has been made by the plaintiff.

A landlord with a lease is entitled to rent payment. Should a tenant not pay rent, may a landlord go to court and file an eviction action? NO...not unless DEMAND for payment has been made and can be demonstrated. Can the landlord go to the adjoining tenant, who lives in the same building but has no AGENCY to conduct the affairs of the primary deadbeat and demand HE pay on behalf of the deadbeat? NO.

Thus, demand implies both RIGHT and a DUTY. Both are relevant here.

In the landlord example, the contract already has a specific requirement and implied DEMAND. The rent must be paid by the first of each month or the tenant will be evicted. The landlord has already made the demand known to the tenant, and in this case the tenant has even AGREED to the stipulation...clearly not the case in your dealings with the commercial banks.

Even with this up front demand, another MUST BE MADE when the tenant fails to pay. Further, the tenant must have a separate DEMAND issues EACH TIME the tenant is in jeopardy of eviction. Thus, I do not see examples in the law where a blanket demand is sufficient for repeated occurrences under the law.

I believe it is clear your approach at redemption fails on every level, but from above it can be seen that these failures turn on the words AT IN and ON and definition of DEMAND as a verb with its DUTY OF ACTION.
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708, we have had a spirited debate relative to the redemption process of Federal Reserve Notes, and relating factors.

Although I believe that you have made a grave error in ASSUMING that the local commercial banks are authorized agents of the federal reserve and treasury, and although the language of 12USC411 is quite specific, and although I have demonstrated that the FED is holding $200 million of the $300 million US NOTES which you claim are in circulation thereby demonstrating redemption capability, and I have clearly demonstrated that a federal reserve bank is NOT a commercial bank...and further proved that federal reserve banks are independent and chartered agents deriving their charter and authority from the federal reserve board of governors in DC..and one can assume they are NOT the agent of the US treasury...

I offer one final point for your consideration...made earlier but ignored, as well as a summation:

They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

at/at/
Preposition:
Expressing location or arrival in a particular place or position: "they live at Conway House".


by/bī/
Preposition:
Identifying the agent performing an action.

in/in/
Adjective:
Present at one's home or office: "we knocked but there was no one in".

So, that leaves DEMAND, which may be used as a NOUN or a VERB.

The NOUN: a CLAIM or LEGAL OBLIGATION and

The VERB: An insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right

Very interesting choice of words...in one sense, denoting and underscoring the legal obligation for redemption, and the other imposing a DUTY, an insistent and peremptory request on the part of the redeemer... a lot going on with that one word.

So, which prevails? DUTY, always.

For example, under law a plaintiff may win a suit and have a judgement awarded entitling the plaintiff to damages. Say the defendant does not pay...

The plaintiff is BARRED from bringing (say)an action of contempt unless and until it is PROVED that a DEMAND FOR PAYMENT has been made by the plaintiff.

A landlord with a lease is entitled to rent payment. Should a tenant not pay rent, may a landlord go to court and file an eviction action? NO...not unless DEMAND for payment has been made and can be demonstrated. Can the landlord go to the adjoining tenant, who lives in the same building but has no AGENCY to conduct the affairs of the primary deadbeat and demand HE pay on behalf of the deadbeat? NO.

Thus, demand implies both RIGHT and a DUTY. Both are relevant here.

In the landlord example, the contract already has a specific requirement and implied DEMAND. The rent must be paid by the first of each month or the tenant will be evicted. The landlord has already made the demand known to the tenant, and in this case the tenant has even AGREED to the stipulation...clearly not the case in your dealings with the commercial banks.

Even with this up front demand, another MUST BE MADE when the tenant fails to pay. Further, the tenant must have a separate DEMAND issues EACH TIME the tenant is in jeopardy of eviction. Thus, I do not see examples in the law where a blanket demand is sufficient for repeated occurrences under the law.

I believe it is clear your approach at redemption fails on every level, but from above it can be seen that these failures turn on the words AT IN and ON and definition of DEMAND as a verb with its DUTY OF ACTION.
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Then you prove it by doing it at the Federal Reserve bank.

You show me your belief (faith) in your words here, back it up by your actions (works).

My actions are public record, as are the results. You have no actions, no record, nothing but the legal definition of "at", which I have already posted defies actual redemption of national and private paper currency from its inception in the US, including Federal reseve Notes AT local banks.

Get off your ass, go to a Fed member bank and show me your faith with your works, because your claim, like your faith is DEAD without works.

The law is: faith without works, is DEAD. So, go now and fulfill the law.
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Being forced to redeem FRN's at a FR bank or DC is a ridiculous position. Does that even sound remotely reasonable? Consider this angle. A large percentage of checks are cleared through the federal reserve check automated clearing house (ACH). Would this not provide the opportunity to redeem your FRN's? Or at least make your demand?

Look on your personal checks...somewhere on the back of them does it state "Federal Reserve Board of governors reg CC" mine do.

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