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No spin required because the DEMAND for redemption is the issue, not the physical demand.

I have been told, but cannot verify, that at the regional level, there is an accounting of "lawful money demands" from the local banks recorded and reported to the FED and the Treasury.

That is what is being proved with the paper I provided. It is also proof there are actual "lawful money retirement accounts" which have nothing to do with the redemption demand I am talking about.

My question is WHO has those accounts and how did they get them?

I am not the one "spinning" by the way, I have already told you to go and demand your redemption "at" the Treasury or Federal Reserve, until you actually DO IT, you are "spinning" cause I am doing it at many banks and the IRS recognizes that fact.

You have had time to do it, but you just keep posting the same BS that has been proven wrong.

Thanks for the bump though.
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New developments.

1. US Treasury notes are not "elastic currency".
2. US Treasury notes cannot be used "as a reserve currency" by Federal Law.
3. If a payment of Redeemed US Notes is tendered and accepted as payment. It remains "redeemed lawful money" and CANNOT be used as "reserve currency". If said amount and payment is included in normal deposits into a bank and fractionalised, the crime of "counterfeiting currency" has occurred.

Malfeasance and nonfeasance penalties also apply. :)

That crime is committed every time redeemed lawful money is used as a "reserve currency" or treated as such by Local, state and Federal Government agents and bank employees.

The US treasury agents and/pr Secret Service have jurisdiction over such cases and these crimes will be reported.

For those who watch these threads for intel gathering, you should inform those agents of Government their treatment of Redeemed lawful money is being watched, recorded and we will report your crimes to proper Federal and State Treasury agents.

Consider this "PUBLIC NOTICE".

By the way, US notes (redeemed per 12-USC 411 cannot be "refused" as payment, since they are, as issued, Lawful money.

End of NOTICE.
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Thanks for the update.
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More resources:

[link to www.lockeanliberty.org]
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Great link, thank you!!
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outstanding thread, thanks to all participants.




Read to page 14. Hopefully that qualifies me for these questions:



What if I don't have a bank account?

I receive all income in cash only.


How do I put the "demand" on my the cash, without depositing it into a bank?


Not possible?
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outstanding thread, thanks to all participants.




Read to page 14. Hopefully that qualifies me for these questions:



What if I don't have a bank account?

I receive all income in cash only.


How do I put the "demand" on my the cash, without depositing it into a bank?


Not possible?
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FOUND IT. thanks again.


page 21....





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Without prejudice, the suggested way to stamp or write on checks or deposit slips for cash deposits is:

Above your signature:

Deposit for credit on account or exchange for lawful money in the from of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve notes of face value
By: Signature First Middle DBA ALL CAPS FIRST MIDDLE FAMILY [as the name of the PERSON (legal fiction) appears on paperwork].

For the stamping of Federal Reserve Notes on the back of the note,

Stamp or write, in red ink:

Redeemed lawful money per 12 USC (or United States Code) 411

not legal advise.
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rken..thanks sincerely for this thread...

havent been getting any sleep for the last week because I'm overwhelmed by the implications of all of this information.

just amazing.
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You are welcome. I happy to hear that you are getting a lot out of it. I hope more people will also. Thanks Rken
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absolutely thank you OP.
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outstanding thread, thanks to all participants.




Read to page 14. Hopefully that qualifies me for these questions:



What if I don't have a bank account?

I receive all income in cash only.


How do I put the "demand" on my the cash, without depositing it into a bank?


Not possible?
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FOUND IT. thanks again.


page 21....





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Without prejudice, the suggested way to stamp or write on checks or deposit slips for cash deposits is:

Above your signature:

Deposit for credit on account or exchange for lawful money in the from of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve notes of face value
By: Signature First Middle DBA ALL CAPS FIRST MIDDLE FAMILY [as the name of the PERSON (legal fiction) appears on paperwork].

For the stamping of Federal Reserve Notes on the back of the note,

Stamp or write, in red ink:

Redeemed lawful money per 12 USC (or United States Code) 411

not legal advise.
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Also, if you actually write contracts or give paper bills or even verbal, simply tell your customers you only accept "lawful money redeemed per 12-USC 411" or write it on the paperwork.

And, I would like to say Thank YOU for actually reading and working through this thread and process.

It gives me some hope that a few people actually get it.

Good night all.
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bump for lawful money demand!!!
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A W E S O M E ! ! ! !
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No doom weekend bump.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Much Love David, God Bless Keep up the Good Fight !!! hf
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Thank you for the new video link, David.

And for all those who will actually stand up and do this, thank YOU!

I have known for a long time the majority of people are cowards, but I never thought the simple act of demanding lawful money and restricting endorsements could be so terrifying to people.

It is stunning how cowardly people are to do anything that is not exactly how everyone else does it. The indoctrination of the people is complete, the battle already lost...
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My thoughts based off: [link to www.lockeanliberty.org]

1819: McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316
Congress has the right establish a central bank.
States can tax money emitted by banks chartered within their state jurisdiction but not banks chartered by congress (FED).

1869: Veazie Bank v. Fenno, 75 U.S. 533
Congress has a right to tax the shit out of state chartered banks that emit paper money that compete with congresses exclusive money powers under the commerce, coined money, and borrowed money clauses. Competition is sin right?

1895: Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan and Trust, 157 U.S. 429 & 158 U.S. 601.
Says an income tax on income derived from property sources is a direct tax.

1913: 16th amend overrules Pollock
Federal reserve comes into existence for the purpose of issuing elastic currency. Fed is granted this PRIVILEGE. Currency issued by them IS NOT issued directly from the treasury. It is NOT Lawful money of the U.S. as is money emitted by the treasury (coin, USN's, Gold/Silver certificates).

1916: Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Co., 240 U.S. 1
16th amend did NOT create any new powers of taxation.
Income severed from its source (property) IS taxable income. (Examples: rental income, dividend income, capital gains, income derived from labor via hiring someone for your business).

1935: United States v. Bankers’ Trust Co., 294 U.S. 240
Contracts that deal with subject matter under the control of congress have a congenital infirmity. Meaning: if your dealing in Fed issued garbage congress can interject their insanity to it. (laying the foundation for regulatory programs under the commerce clause).

1935: A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. v. U.S., 295 U.S. 495
Justice Roberts essentially lays out a plan for how the Gov can regulate everything.
“We have held in . . . Schechter Poultry . . . that Congress has no power to regulate wages and hours of labor in a local business. If the [government] is right [in Butler], this very end may be accomplished by appropriating money to be paid to employers from the federal treasury under contracts whereby they agree to comply with certain standards fixed by federal law or by contract.”

1937: Carmichael v. Southern Coal & Coke Co., 301 U.S. 495
Upholds SSA. An interesting comment: “The taxation of employees is not prerequisite to enjoyment of the benefits under the Social Security Act. The collection and expenditure of the tax on employers do not depend upon taxing the employees. . .”

1937: Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619
More SSA challenges. More interesting comments: The tax on the employer is an indirect EXCISE TAX on the employer/employee relationship. The tax on employees is an indirect “special income tax,” which is “to be deducted from their wages and paid by employers” and “measured by wages paid [by the employer] during the calendar year.”
I wonder what they mean by "special"? Using Fed currency?

1941: U.S. v. Darby, 312 U.S. 100
Under the COMMERCE CLAUSE, Congress can enforce various employee wage regulations on a non-compliant lumber manufacturer/distributor under the Fair Labor Standards Act, as well as prohibit interstate shipments of the company’s lumber.
Justice Roberts "plan" from above seems to have worked. With the expanded use of non-treasury issued Fed currency, WW2, and the commerce clause. The Gov expands its control to what we see today.

An interesting note: Obamacare HAD to be upheld or it would have unzipped all of these precedents that were laid down in the 1930's and 40's. It follows the same template as the social security system.
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outstanding thread, thanks to all participants.




Read to page 14. Hopefully that qualifies me for these questions:



What if I don't have a bank account?

I receive all income in cash only.


How do I put the "demand" on my the cash, without depositing it into a bank?


Not possible?
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Maybe unnecessary. Do you sign anything for the cash? Try signing "Lawful Money" only or make your demand when you sign for the cash.

Thank you for the new video link, David.

And for all those who will actually stand up and do this, thank YOU!

I have known for a long time the majority of people are cowards, but I never thought the simple act of demanding lawful money and restricting endorsements could be so terrifying to people.

It is stunning how cowardly people are to do anything that is not exactly how everyone else does it. The indoctrination of the people is complete, the battle already lost...
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Fear based teaching conditions politically correct sociopaths. Learn to forgive and you will be refunded in kind. Only beings of like order can truly communicate. Communication and creating are synonmyms. So if you place your order for forgiveness with forgiveness in your heart the universe (or God if you prefer) will take your order (take on your same order).

Do you understand?
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outstanding thread, thanks to all participants.




Read to page 14. Hopefully that qualifies me for these questions:



What if I don't have a bank account?

I receive all income in cash only.


How do I put the "demand" on my the cash, without depositing it into a bank?


Not possible?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5859380


Maybe unnecessary. Do you sign anything for the cash? Try signing "Lawful Money" only or make your demand when you sign for the cash.

Thank you for the new video link, David.

And for all those who will actually stand up and do this, thank YOU!

I have known for a long time the majority of people are cowards, but I never thought the simple act of demanding lawful money and restricting endorsements could be so terrifying to people.

It is stunning how cowardly people are to do anything that is not exactly how everyone else does it. The indoctrination of the people is complete, the battle already lost...
 Quoting: 708 20901334


Fear based teaching conditions politically correct sociopaths. Learn to forgive and you will be refunded in kind. Only beings of like order can truly communicate. Communication and creating are synonmyms. So if you place your order for forgiveness with forgiveness in your heart the universe (or God if you prefer) will take your order (take on your same order).

Do you understand?
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'Thanks David, and I do understand. I forgive but that does not change the facts, most people are cowards, by conditioning of course.

I saw it when I worked in public schools. One grade school literally had a white line painted on the hallway floor. Children had to line up, remain still, not talking and walk single file to and from of the class rooms, without stepping over the line or touching the wall.

It was sickening to me. I find it very difficult to forgive people who cause harm to small children and treat them like criminals to be controlled. Adults today are largely a result of decades of public programming, I know that.

I am far from perfect and I call it like I see it, but trying to let the only Perfect Judge take over is not easy for me, working on it though...
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'Thanks David, and I do understand. I forgive but that does not change the facts, most people are cowards, by conditioning of course.

I saw it when I worked in public schools. One grade school literally had a white line painted on the hallway floor. Children had to line up, remain still, not talking and walk single file to and from of the class rooms, without stepping over the line or touching the wall.

It was sickening to me. I find it very difficult to forgive people who cause harm to small children and treat them like criminals to be controlled. Adults today are largely a result of decades of public programming, I know that.

I am far from perfect and I call it like I see it, but trying to let the only Perfect Judge take over is not easy for me, working on it though...


I would say a lot of it is fear brought about by conditioning.
Fear is the mind killer to quote a great movie/author.


"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." Frank Herbert
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[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


It has been more an observation influenced by a year of studying both Science of Mind and A Course in Miracles.

Creation and communication are synonymous and only beings of like order can truly communicate. When you can set your anger and fear down and love with forgiveness then the law will require that you find that in return. It began to be a real demonstration when I felt this demonstration.

[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]
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STATUTES REPLACED WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW CIRCA 1933



December 9th 1945 International Organization Immunities Act relinquished every public office of the United States to the United Nations.


GOVERNMENT AGENT ACTING AS AN [OFFSHORE] STATUTE MERCHANT

Whatever the form in which the Government functions, anyone entering into an arrangement with the Government takes the risk of having accurately ascertained that he who purports to act for the Government stays within the bounds of his authority. The scope of this authority may be explicitly defined by Congress or be limited by delegated legislation, properly exercised through the rule-making power. And this is so even though, as here, the agent himself may have been unaware of the limitations upon his authority. See, e.g., Utah Power & Light Co. v. United States, 243 U.S. 389. 409, 391; United States v. Stewart, 311 U.S. 60, 70, 108, and see, generally, In re Floyd Acceptances, 7 Wall. 666);


NEITHER THE FOR PROFIT GOVERNMENT NOR THE [FOREIGN] STATUTE MERCHANT/AGENT HAS ACCESS TO SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY


As a member of a corporation, a government never exercises its sovereignty. It acts merely as a corporator, and exercises no other power in the management of the affairs of the corporation, than are expressly given by the incorporating act. Suits brought by or against it are not understood to be brought by or against the United States. The government, by becoming a corporator, lays down its sovereignty, so far as respects the transaction of the corporation, and exercises no power or privilege which is not derived from the charter.); U.S. v. Georgia-Pacific Co., 421 F.2d 92, 101 (9th Cir. 1970) (Government may also be bound by the doctrine of equitable estoppel if acting in proprietary [for profit nature ] rather than sovereign capacity); the “Savings to Suitor Clause” is also available for addressing mercantile and admiralty matters aka “civil process” at the common law and within a state court.


THE REASON WHY THE LAW OF NECESSITY AND FULL DISCLOSURE GOING TO SPECIFICITY COMES INTO PLAY IN COMMERCIAL PROCEEDINGS ONCE YOU’RE SUMMONED INTO ANY OF THESE PRIVATE MERCANTILE CORPORATE COURTS


Title 8, 22 & 28 USC

December 26th 1933 49 Statute 3097 Treaty Series 881 (Convention on Rights and Duties of States) stated CONGRESS replaced STATUTES with international law, placing all states under international law.

December 9th 1945 International Organization Immunities Act relinquished every public office of the United States to the United Nations.

22 CFR 92.12-92.31 FR Heading “Foreign Relationship” states that an oath is required to take office.

Title 8 USC 1481 stated once an oath of office is taken citizenship is relinquished, thus you become a foreign entity, agency, or state. That means every public office is a foreign state, including all political subdivisions. (i.e. every single court and that courts personnel is considered a separate foreign entity)

Title 22 USC (Foreign Relations and Intercourse) Chapter 11 identifies all public officials as foreign agents.

Title 28 USC 3002 Section 15A states that the United States is a Federal Corporation and not a Government, including the Judiciary Procedural Section.

Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) 4j states that the Court jurisdiction and immunity fall under a foreign State.

The 11th Amendment states ”The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of an Foreign State.” (A foreign entity, agency, or state cannot bring any suit against a United States citizen without abiding the following procedure.)

Title 22 CFR 93.1-93.2 states that the Department of State has to be notified of any suit, and in turn has to notify the United States citizen of said suit.

Title 28 USC 1330 states that the United States District Court has to grant permission for the suit to be pursued once the court has been supplied sufficient proof that the United States citizen is actually a corporate entity.

Title 28 USC 1608 I have Absolute Immunity as a Corporation

Title 28 USC 1602-1611 (Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act) allows the jurisdiction of a court to be challenged, and a demand of proper jurisdiction to be stated.

July 27th 1868 15 Statutes at Large Chapter 249 Section 1 “Acts Concerning American Citizens in a Foreign State”, expatriation, is what is broken when jurisdiction is demanded, and it is not met with an answer.


Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 12b 6 the prosecution has failed to provide adequate proof that the parties involved in this situation are actually corporate entities. I have provided ample proof that the prosecution and other agents are actually corporations.

1950 81st Congress Investigated the Lawyers Guild and determined that the B.A.R. Association by definition is founded and run by communists. Thus any elected official that is a member of the B.A.R. will only be loyal to the B.A.R. entity and never have allegiance to the people.
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That is why GEITHNER is sued as the UN's US Governor for the International Monetary Fund.

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The intellectual property is derived from Are You Lost at C?

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Here is the Memorandum of one of the authors.

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JP Morgan said before the Pujo Committee: “Gold is money, everything else is credit”
Think about that for a minute and don't focus on the "gold" part.
I would add that silver is also "money" plus anything minted by the US mint as directed by CONgress is "money". The paper slips in your wallet are nothing more then a claim for the before mentioned items. Unfortunately CONgress stopped minting gold and later silver. However they still mint for general circulation the tokens that jingle in our pockets. The paper slips are still a claim on those items. But where do those paper slips originate from?
The Federal Reserve is the correct answer. The top of those slips say "Federal Reserve Note" It is nothing but bank credit by which you can redeem for the stuff that jingles in your pocket. The Fed as we should all know at this point is a private bank chartered by CONgress.

Now lets take a trip in the wayback machine to 1819. In McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, the State of Maryland was trying to tax the Federally chartered 2nd bank of the US. The SCOTUS said that a State cannot tax a creation of the federal government. It also said that a federally chartered central bank WAS constitutional.

Now come forward to just after the Civil War. 1869 in Veazie Bank v. Fenno, 75 U.S. 533 the State bank of Veazie was pissed at the federal gov's gigantic tax on currency issued by state chartered banks. The SCOTUS said the tax was justifiable as the state bank was issuing currency essentially in competition with the exclusive federal power to control the money supply under the commerce, coined money, and borrowed money clauses of the US constitution. Article 1 section 8 clause 5 gives CONgress the exclusive authority to "coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures" Anyone else dabbling in this area can be taxed and regulated. Even banks, state or federal who practice fractional reserve banking and emit their own currencies not issued directly by the US Treasury. Enter the Federal Reserve in 1913......and the rest is history.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Henry Ford
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The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty.
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