Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Yep, and you never will. The only people that are having problems with the IRS and that are redeeming lawful money are people that tried using other methods and are having on going problems due to prior filings. sk

I spent some time reading all the current cases on the IRS frivolous arguments cases this morning.

Not one mention of lawful money. Not one case about it, even though they have had plenty of notice this is and has been going on, longer than the 1099 OID redemption, for sure, and there are already cases about that.

Bumping the most relevant, important thread on GLP.

Freedom from the IRS and District of Columbia without violence, without protest, without prejudice, without equal.

Only the dead have more freedom from the system.

You got that right brother. freedom=redeem lawful money. But not just because it frees you from taxes, but frees you from the primary contract that makes it possible for them to enforce statutes and codes on you. sk

So, the FRN's become lawful money, simply because you
requested such?
Do they need to be stamped with something that identifies them as such?

Also, say you spend some of your lawful money, in the form of FRN's at a grocery store. The difference that you receive
as change, in the form of FRN's- in what way are those treated?

Last Edited by unstable on 04/06/2012 11:44 AM

United States Notes (characterized by a red seal and serial number), originally issued in 1862, were the first National currency. Federal Reserve Notes were not issued until the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Both types of notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed into circulation since January 21, 1971.

From: [link to moneyfactory.gov]

Its all in the nature of how they are brought into existence. Blank endorsement of debt instrument = Federal reserve credit ala FRN.
Restricted redemption per USC12, 411 = USN in the form of a FRN as they can serve essentially the same purpose per the treasury.

If you find a dollar on the ground, what is it? Is it a federal reserve note or a treasury note. Its up to you. What did the clerk at the grocery store give you? They look like treasury notes to me. How about you. Get it. As the poster pointed out above the issue is at the bank and how you treat your deposits or cashing of checks. "How they came into existence." sk

If you find a dollar on the ground, what is it? Is it a federal reserve note or a treasury note. Its up to you. What did the clerk at the grocery store give you? They look like treasury notes to me. How about you. Get it. As the poster pointed out above the issue is at the bank and how you treat your deposits or cashing of checks. "How they came into existence." sk

I made my demand at the bank, in the form of a affidavit. What they choose to do at that point is up to them. But I have made my demand, expressed my will to use Treasury notes at all times in relation to my account. Keep records of your demands, so that it is clear what your intent is. Step out of the federal reserve system and into the light of day, freedom from the contractual obligations imposed on you by using Federal Reserve notes. sk

Can someone tell me what law requires me to pay income taxes if I use FRNs?

Also, I use direct deposit and electronic bill pay, so no FRNs are involved. It is all digital. Does the Federal Reserve somehow own these electrons?

2nd part: Because the presumption is you will, at the point you get over 1,000 in any one year or account, have to use Federal Reserve Credit or notes. Again, unless you expressly notify them of your demand NOT to use their notes or credit.

(this is also why credit issued to you by VISA is not "taxable income" it originates from a source outside the Federal Reserve agreement with Congress).

By the way, there are US Treasury Notes on every currently issued FRNs higher than the 1 and 2 $ denomination.

Without express notice of demand, the presumption is you are using the left side Note, the FRN and not the right side note, the US Treasury Note.

2 notes on one 'bill' very efficient and easier to keep track of then 2 separate bills. Recorded, public demand tells the Fed you do not use their notes and do not accept any liability for use of said notes, easy and clean, no way they can rebut the facts.

OK. So how do I account for this on my tax return? How do I get a refund of my withheld wages?

Just saw the film, Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo last night. Too bad he "died" just after the film came out. Another casualty in the war on freedom along with Ted Gunderson and Andrew Breitbart.

Revised US Codes on the government site has been updated as of 1/7/2011.

Making the demand for lawful money is still there.

[link to uscode.house.gov]

Party on Wayne, Party On Garth!

you could have just edited the post that made you look retard...retard

Yeah, but then people might get the wrong impression. Is it retarded not to know how to spell something you have never seen in print before. lol sk

Thank you for the update!

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Hmmm, now lots of things make sense. Like the fact that people say there is no income tax law, yet there is. People are contracting signing the back of their paychecks, which is contract law. Like all laws, there must be a remedy. Now I understand why so many people lose income tax cases when they use the Constitution. The Constitution can't interfere with contracts. It's just as diabolic as the Birth Certificate being a bond issue. The entire planet is being ruined because of people not using RE signatures on paychecks. LOL

BTW, pieces of paper, minerals or any other material items are not value. WE are value. Our time, energy, and substance is value, and TPTB are sucking our value from us. It's just that simple.

Good to see this thread again. Been banned and probably will be again soon. If you listen to any of the guru's and they don't comprehend lawful money, run away. Hi seeker.

Agreed AC306~but the "law of the land" must be fulfilled, the law has not changed, gold and silver coin only, it goes back to just weights and measures and law.

If "they" wanted to be honest about it, the constitution should be changed.

Your other post was a good summation of the entire subject.

Hey osbo. nice to have you back. Lawful money would seem to be one of the major things upon which the PTB hang their hats. So it would seem as you have pointed out, any thing absent lawful money, while it may be valid is lacking in terms of remedy. Found this new site. check it out and tell me what you think. read the cure 1-3

[link to notice-recipient.com]

bump

It's maritime law that the whole scam operates on, under the law of the land you are free and not a slave.

Seeker,

I looked at the site you linked above. I have an issue with it for one reason. There is no "discharge" of debt. The discharge is simply adding it to the big public notice of unpaid debt on the Debt clock of Times Square in New York.

While such a process may cut out some of the middle men/accounts involved in moving the numbers /$/ from the endorser to the pool of endorsers via a 'pass through', it does not change the end result. More debt, more interest and more peonage passed onto the next generation to be labored off.

Secondly, I have never, not once, seen anyone provide any evidence such accounts or 'set off' actually occurs.

It would seem that after years (I have know about this and similar processes for nearly 4 years) nobody has ever shown me a receipt or 'paid' bill for doing it.

The 1099 OID thing worked for some, who were later hit with notices they needed to repay the refunded amount.

Of course, there have been a few 12USC411 people hit with frivolous claims by the IRS, but to date, those have been stuffed with the LOR in District Courts and NOT ONE case against them or anyone redeeming lawful money has to date, been filed.

Again, without demand for lawful money, everything I have seen has fallen flat on its face when challenged by the Priests in black dresses.

Hi 708

You say some cases have been brought in district court. Do you have links/references?

Had these cases already gone through tax court, a necessary prerequisite, before district courts can obtain jurisdiction?

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