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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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Anyone ever wonder why so many of the talk show speakers leave out lawful money? All the irs talk and jurisdiction talk, without lawful money, falls short.
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Ron Paul preparing to announce tomorrow 4th of July
the implementation of a transitional gov. 4 the USR
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Ron Paul preparing to announce tomorrow 4th of July
the implementation of a transitional gov. 4 the USR
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Where did you get that?
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Anyone ever wonder why so many of the talk show speakers leave out lawful money? All the irs talk and jurisdiction talk, without lawful money, falls short.
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The solution is too simple, its hard to sell books and seminars about 12-USC 411.

Many, many people 'talk' about lawful money, but mostly to say that it is no longer accesible or 'only gold and silver'. Then of course, some try to sell you gold and silver coin, in exchange for non-redeemed Federal Reserve debt notes, of course.

It is literally striking when the scales fall from your eyes and you see the 'lawful money' trust notes on every 2 faced Reserve note currently issued. The only way to hide something is in plane sight and hide it behind double speak and tiny drawn boarders.

I like to call them "Janus Notes".
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Bump!

Also, I'd love to get y'alls opinion of the following:

[link to www.youtube.com]

cheers!
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I've asked Rob if he uses lawful money and haven't gotten a reply. I don't think this works cause he is still asking for help keeping the lights on. If money was free he would be on a desert island with Fred and Nina.
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I've asked Rob if he uses lawful money and haven't gotten a reply. I don't think this works cause he is still asking for help keeping the lights on. If money was free he would be on a desert island with Fred and Nina.
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I got to the point in the video where he states that it was in effect, "your" (his) currency being deposited into the account. That is simply not true.

YOU and I cannot produce currency without labor. Like an electrical generator, it will not and cannot produce output currency without input energy, that is the law.

Even the Federal Reserve currency is nothing unless and until people/laborers endorse it.

Think about it, the Fed could put trillion dollars into a bank, but without anyone endorsing it means nothing, it would sit in the bank account (like a battery holding a 'charge' bleeding currency (devaluation and interest) till it was gone.

You charge your own account with currency from deposits, and can channel that currency where you choose through withdrawals. But the banks will not add a charge to your account for long without it being taken from somewhere else.

These are simple rules of currency and electricity, and I know very little about, but I know a dead battery and a generator that is not running (me) cannot just 'produce' currency. Contrary to some, there is no zero point energy.

Rod Ryder is wrong and will most likely be 'charged' soon. It is my belief that the have some sort of way to get "currency" from your "person" while you are in jail or prison. That is why the MUST have your legal name to "charge" you, to access your commercial energy/vehicle (the PERSON). To 'pay your debt to society".

I want to know how that works (and I do not), but my spirit tells me it does.
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Ops, its not "your person" its theirs, and when you do not 'produce' for them, they need you to identify (indemnify?) your body as their person for payback currency to happen.

A person charged with a "crime" without a living body producing for it (ie, no living body steps past the BAR and claims their "IDENTITY", simply bleeds currency (much like a battery will bleed energy in a flashlight when the flashlight is not on).

Maybe that is why there are rules about "speedy trials" and "statutes of limitations" since the 'profit currency' of the crime will soon not be as much as the loss of energy it would take to prosecute or find the person the value of the 'charge' is lost?
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I asked Howard Griswald thru the chat on last nights call if he redeemed lawful money. He kinda blew it off. He said they can do whatever they want so it doesn't do much. He drones on and on about breach of fiduciary duty.
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I asked Howard Griswald thru the chat on last nights call if he redeemed lawful money. He kinda blew it off. He said they can do whatever they want so it doesn't do much. He drones on and on about breach of fiduciary duty.
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You cannot add to a cup that is full, and acting on trusts (while ignoring the trust of lawful money redemption per 12 USC 411) alone is being full of 'it'.

Frankly, I do not even care if he is 'winning cases' (even though I doubt it) the point is no case has EVER been brought against a Suitor redeeming lawful money, even though many Suitors have brought their own cases into court and gotten their own judgements recorded.

The Government has had more than enough confessions, on the record, of people redeeming lawful money, it would be nothing for them to actually do something but they leave us alone.

The Government cannot 'do whatever they want' anymore than you or I can 'do whatever we want', there are laws, even on the land.
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1. So what's the difference between these two, and which is preferred on the back of a check?:

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE US TREASURY NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

and

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

2. Also, should/can we add "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" to this check endorsement?
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I and a friend had rubber stamps made up and did this our banks. Eventually the tellers stopped taking instruments with the indorsement stating they were instructed by the bank's security department not to. The teller stated she was told if I were to continue to try to do this the bank would close the account.

My friend said his bank gave him a similar response. I don't think we can force them to take instruments with the indorsement. Anyhow, we have other remedies anyway.
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1. So what's the difference between these two, and which is preferred on the back of a check?:

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE US TREASURY NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

and

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

2. Also, should/can we add "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" to this check endorsement?
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I and a friend had rubber stamps made up and did this our banks. Eventually the tellers stopped taking instruments with the indorsement stating they were instructed by the bank's security department not to. The teller stated she was told if I were to continue to try to do this the bank would close the account.

My friend said his bank gave him a similar response. I don't think we can force them to take instruments with the indorsement. Anyhow, we have other remedies anyway.
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Then continue to do it until they close your account. There are more banks around. Or did the 'tellers' scare you?

I know dealing with girls behind a counter can be scary, but come on.

Please share your "other remedies" and of course, your proof said remedies are recognized by your Government of record, or do I have to pay you some FRNs for that?
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Better yet, make the 'tellers manager' send you a certified letter, singed, telling you they are closing your account for the lawful money demand.

That would allow you to have legal recourse.

Frankly, I do not believe you, since I have done it and been doing it for over 3 years in 2 different states and at numerous banks, for you to give up so easy and not even share your "other remedies" makes me think you are full of it.
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After much thought, it would seem that vipers have entered among the doves.

First, the poster who went to his parents, who 'knew a guy' who had redeemed lawful money and been sent to prison for tax reasons, who they contacted via facebook for confirmation. The whole story seems unlikely at best and contrived (poorly) at worst. A case number would be strong conformation, asked for, but not given.

Next comes the poster who, 'with a friend', rubber stamped restricted endorsements and was then told by 'tellers' they would close accounts should they continue. Also alluded to was mystery 'other remedies' which he did not share.

It seems the shill unit is carefully treading around the subject, telling stories and casting shadows with no substance. Feeble, as are most stories told against truth which is easy to verify for ones self.

Remedy spelled out in 12-USC 411 has stood, mostly unaltered in wording, since the Federal Reserve act was written into 'color of law' more than 70 years ago.

It works.
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After much thought, it would seem that vipers have entered among the doves.

First, the poster who went to his parents, who 'knew a guy' who had redeemed lawful money and been sent to prison for tax reasons, who they contacted via facebook for confirmation. The whole story seems unlikely at best and contrived (poorly) at worst. A case number would be strong conformation, asked for, but not given.

Next comes the poster who, 'with a friend', rubber stamped restricted endorsements and was then told by 'tellers' they would close accounts should they continue. Also alluded to was mystery 'other remedies' which he did not share.

It seems the shill unit is carefully treading around the subject, telling stories and casting shadows with no substance. Feeble, as are most stories told against truth which is easy to verify for ones self.

Remedy spelled out in 12-USC 411 has stood, mostly unaltered in wording, since the Federal Reserve act was written into 'color of law' more than 70 years ago.

It works.
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Dude, relax...

perhaps I simply haven't responded because I missed this thread being bumped and, having read everything here and finding savingforsuitors, I've had better places to spend my time.

As far as proving my claims, screw that, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Take my story as anecdotal and leave it at that. For clarification purposes I did ask my father for a follow up but suffice it to say, he hadn't spoken with the guy in over 16 years and after learning he'd been in prison my father doesn't want to bother reaching out again. I certainly wasn't going to go prying into a stangers life asking for case numbers just to 'prove' my account to a bunch of GLPers.
Believe me or not, I wasn't trying to scare anyone off of this, if you'll actually read my last sentence instead of trying to dismantle everything as shillery you'll see that.

Most my father learned was that they got the guy due to the money his company paid on his behalf into SS and his company coverage insurance, as the company didn't redeem and it didn't pass through his redeem only account. So yeah, dude tripped up, i.e. Be Vigilante guys, just like I said.



I was stressing utmost vigilance, nothing more.
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After much thought, it would seem that vipers have entered among the doves.

First, the poster who went to his parents, who 'knew a guy' who had redeemed lawful money and been sent to prison for tax reasons, who they contacted via facebook for confirmation. The whole story seems unlikely at best and contrived (poorly) at worst. A case number would be strong conformation, asked for, but not given.

Next comes the poster who, 'with a friend', rubber stamped restricted endorsements and was then told by 'tellers' they would close accounts should they continue. Also alluded to was mystery 'other remedies' which he did not share.

It seems the shill unit is carefully treading around the subject, telling stories and casting shadows with no substance. Feeble, as are most stories told against truth which is easy to verify for ones self.

Remedy spelled out in 12-USC 411 has stood, mostly unaltered in wording, since the Federal Reserve act was written into 'color of law' more than 70 years ago.

It works.
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Dude, relax...


Thank you for going to savingstosuitorsclub.net. The non-endorsement is just the start. You can now decide when and with whom you want to contract. If some guy in a funny suit says you have to sign a ticket(contract) you can refuse for cause that contract within 72 hours. Be patient in the learning let it soak in.
perhaps I simply haven't responded because I missed this thread being bumped and, having read everything here and finding savingforsuitors, I've had better places to spend my time.

As far as proving my claims, screw that, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Take my story as anecdotal and leave it at that. For clarification purposes I did ask my father for a follow up but suffice it to say, he hadn't spoken with the guy in over 16 years and after learning he'd been in prison my father doesn't want to bother reaching out again. I certainly wasn't going to go prying into a stangers life asking for case numbers just to 'prove' my account to a bunch of GLPers.
Believe me or not, I wasn't trying to scare anyone off of this, if you'll actually read my last sentence instead of trying to dismantle everything as shillery you'll see that.

Most my father learned was that they got the guy due to the money his company paid on his behalf into SS and his company coverage insurance, as the company didn't redeem and it didn't pass through his redeem only account. So yeah, dude tripped up, i.e. Be Vigilante guys, just like I said.



I was stressing utmost vigilance, nothing more.
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STOP ENDORSING FED CREDIT, GODDAMNIT!!!
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STOP ENDORSING FED CREDIT, GODDAMNIT!!!
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"Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds."
Thread: Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds.

Look what happens when you openly endorse "their" monies!! The Judge told the truth, flat out, when you endorse their property, they can do whatever they like with it!!

Who needs any more proof of 12-USC 411 or what will happen to all "your" goods and 'money' if you keep endorsing their property?

Better learn from this people.
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STOP ENDORSING FED CREDIT, GODDAMNIT!!!
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"Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds."
Thread: Fed Judge rules your Bank Accounts are not Your property, banks not responsible if they lose your funds.

Look what happens when you openly endorse "their" monies!! The Judge told the truth, flat out, when you endorse their property, they can do whatever they like with it!!

Who needs any more proof of 12-USC 411 or what will happen to all "your" goods and 'money' if you keep endorsing their property?

Better learn from this people.
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...AND IT'S GONE!






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