Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

More idle threats from an endorser, thanks for the thread bump and the meaningless threat, give yourself a pat on the back, slave.

What is lawful money of the United States?

[link to www.time.com]

Explain?

ENTIRE PIECE:

To save $2,000,000 worth of nylon, paper, ink and printing, Treasury employes will dust off some long-stored bundles of pre-Roosevelt Federal Reserve gold notes, put $4,200,000,000 worth into circulation. They won't be, as promised on their face, "redeemable in gold on demand." Like all New Deal Federal Reserve notes, they may be exchanged only for "lawful money of the United States," i.e., smaller bills or coin.

You couldn't make that up if you started out to tell a whooper.

Those notes were seized from the people in 1933 under FDRs' NEW DEAL. Why would the US treasury keep them for the last 80 years and then recirculate them now?

And more importantly, what happened to the 420 million in Gold reserves that directly backed those notes for decades? Where did it go? Where is it now?

So, the Government issued those notes, promising redemption for them directly in gold to the bearer on demand, then forced the public to turn them in without giving them the gold promised. Now they are reissuing the notes, promising they are to be redeemed in "lawful money".

Hmmm, sounds like the Government just waited for all the people who had those notes in 1933 just waited till they were all dead (thus ending their obligation/debt to those people who had them) and now POOF, they magically appear again.

No, the guvernmutts would not do that, AGAIN!

Why do people still trust these vipers and thieves?

A guy in a bar stands up and says, "All lawyers are crooks."

A man stands up and says "Hey...I resent that..."

The guy says, "Why? Are you a lawyer?"

The other replies, "No. I'm a crook."

Note the date of the article.

"lawful money of the United States," i.e., smaller bills or coin.

smaller bills = United States Notes and Silver Certificates in 1943.

Thanks OP

Yep, silver was still very close to par value of gold at the time, but gold was moving up. Silver Certificates would have been the "lawful money" the Gold certs were redeemed for on demand.

Thanks, I had not noticed the DATE on the article!!

Just a bump and a finger to the FED and all its fiat currency.

When you fill out IRS forms you are required to sign under penalty of perjury that you have correctly determined and reported your accounts in terms of "dollars."

But, what is a dollar? There are conflicting coinages all produced by the treasury under direction from Congress;

A piece of paper called a federal reserve note dollar, a pre-1930 90% silver coin with the word dollar stamped on one face, a manganese brass (golden colored) Sacajawea coin stamped with dollar on one face, and more recently a .999 pure silver coin weighing one ounce that is also stamped "dollar."

So, before signing and submitting that report to the IRS, you might want to preface your action with a series of letters to the IRS, and to your congress critters asking them to define "dollar" for your edification.

Christopher Hansen of Nevada has taken exactly that series of requests and you can read about the results here:

[link to www.independentamerican.org] (this first link can lead you to the next two in this post)

More recently (February 2013) Attorney Larry Becraft of Huntsville Alabama has submitted a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari to the United States Court of Appeals...

You can read that in html format here: [link to www.independentamerican.org]

Or see the document in PDF format here: [link to www.usbor.org]

"The currency conversion was necessitated
by the refusal of the Federal Reserve and the
Treasury to redeem Federal Reserve Notes
“dollar for dollar” in “lawful money” consisting of
such United States gold or silver dollar coins"

Gold and Silver coin is NOT part of the current circulating coin scheme. Demanding such is a losing argument. Lawful Money of the U.S. is simply that which is emitted by the treasury directly and NOT a bank or the Fed. Currently that is the dollar coins (Eik's, SBA's, golden sac's or presidential's) and fractional coin.

Veazie Bank v. Fenno - 75 U.S. 533 (1869)
[link to supreme.justia.com]

This court case is instrumental in understanding what is going on now with the Federal Reserve. Below are a few snips of very relevant materials. This is also the reason why the 16th amendment is a red herring. Congress has ALWAYS had the power to tax bank credit not issued by them.

"2. Congress having undertaken, in the exercise of undisputed constitutional power, to provide a currency for the whole country, may constitutionally secure the benefit of it to the people by appropriate legislation, and to that end may restrain, by suitable enactments, the circulation of any notes not issued under its own authority."

"But in the case before us, the object of taxation is not the franchise of the bank, but property created, or contracts made and issued under the franchise, or power to issue bank bills"

"Congress may restrain (TAX) by suitable enactments the circulation as money of any notes not issued under its own authority. Without this power, indeed, its attempts to secure a sound and uniform currency for the country must be futile."

What an idiot. The point is the banks won't take instruments indorsed this way because of how it affects their books, not that it matters anyway because it isn't a remedy to everyday problems. I never said I'm selling anything--reading comprehension much?--and discussing other remedies would be best suited to a legal forum where people would be more familiar with the concepts involved. There's no point in reprinting what's already been well hashed out on other forums.

For some remedies there may be no proof in the public record as they tend to be private in nature, e.g., a court case that stays in limbo because the administrator ("judge") doesn't want to touch the issues raised with the proverbial ten foot pole, so they wait for the court computers to purge the case from the system.

The banks refusal are easily overcome. Make your demand, make a record of that demand. That is all that is required of you. What the bank chooses to do with you demand is their business. By your demand you have essential stopped using FRN's and therefore are not subject to a use tax on their money. ts

It won't matter the Banks are all insolvent.

It matters to me!!!!! I just formed an LLC and put in my corp papers "all transactions are conducted and redeemed with demand for lawful money per United States Code 12 subchapter 411."

Bump for lawful money redemption!!

Alright so has anyone here actually done this, and now no longer pay federal income tax? A show of hands please.

You clearly did not read the thread. I have done it and I am doing it. There are several links to the forum where people share their personal returns, banking and other experiences with lawful money redemption.

This is not the subject to be taken on with laziness and no attention, keep doing what you are doing if you will not even take the time to read this thread. Nothing personal but it takes some effort on your part.

The people have it within their power to strip the Fed of its powers, rescind private credit and get the bankers to pay off the National Debt should Congress fail to act. The key to all this is 12 USC 411, which declares that Federal Reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money at any Federal Reserve bank. Lawful money is defined as all the coins, notes, bills, bonds and securities of the United States: 'Julliard v. Greenman' 110 U.S. 421, 448 (1884); whereas public money is the lawful money declared by Congress as a legal tender for debts (31 USC 5103); 524 F.2d 629 (1974). Anyone can present Federal Reserve notes to any Federal Reserve bank and demand redemption in public money -- i.e., legal tender United States notes and coins. A Federal Reserve note is a fixed obligation or evidence of indebtedness which pledges redemption (12 USC 411) in public money to the note holder. The Fed maintains a ready supply of United States notes in hundred dollar denominations for redemption purposes should it be required, and coins are available to satisfy claims for smaller amounts. However, should the general public decide to redeem large amounts of private credit for public money, a financial melt-down within the Fed would quickly occur. Read the rest at: Convincing Congress to Abolish the Fed [link to www.silverbearcafe.com] Use the Remedy within the Federal Reserve Act. Redeemed 12USC411 – [link to www.law.cornell.edu] Bank Refusal Penalty 12USC501a – [link to www.law.cornell.edu]

Sorry if the guy didn't read through the 81 fucking pages on this thread. Jeez.

Regardless, it really does seem to be an interesting idea. This may actually be legit, unlike that stupid ass OPT shit.

So I own my own business, as I understand it the business is NOT exempt from tax, but my personal income from the business would be. So I get the stamp you discussed for all payments from my business to myself, an that would make my personal income "lawful money." I know I sound like a wuss, but I would be very worried about going to jail for tax evasion. But I will keep looking in to it. Thanks for posting the info, very informative.

So I am doing my research on this and the FED says, Milam v. U.S., 524 F.2d 629 (9th Cir. 1974)found Fed notes to be "lawful money".

So as I understand what your saying, if you go to the Fed bank and demand "lawful money" they will give you fed notes (but you can not demand gold or silver due to the ruling above). However, upon demand those Fed notes exchanged are deemed "lawful money" and thus not taxable for the purposes of Federal Income tax? Do I have that right?

All banks are considered Federal reserve banks. You are exactly correct on the rest of your post/reply! All currently issued FRNs above the 2$ denomination have US treasury note on the face of the note. Once your demand is made and recorded for every transaction, you are endorcing the US Note on the right of the Note.

Without a demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411, the legal presumption is you voluntarily endorse and use the FRN on the left of the note and assume all liabilities that go with it.

All banks are considered Federal reserve banks. You are exactly correct on the rest of your post/reply! All currently issued FRNs above the 2$ denomination have US treasury note on the face of the note. Once your demand is made and recorded for every transaction, you are endorcing the US Note on the right of the Note.

Without a demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411, the legal presumption is you voluntarily endorse and use the FRN on the left of the note and assume all liabilities that go with it.

Has anyone gone to jail using this remedy?