The World at War, Official 2011 war thread for North Korea, Iran, Israel, China, U.S.

G-D bless Israel. Protect her, deliver her, and and remember your promise.

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Horrible plans coming forthright.

Save your food as hell is coming soon.

I cannot emphasize that they are out to kill all christians and their jewish brothers and soon. WHo? Obama and his freinds that he negotiated a private agreement with, Iran.

Dubai Sheikh: If Iran Attacks, Israel Will Wipe It Off the Map
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]

Defense Ministry considering permanent Iron Dome in Haifa
[link to www.jpost.com]

Regional threats too strong to ignore signs of war
Analysis: Difference between ministers is not about gravity of Iranian threat, but rather when the right time would be for Israeli action.
[link to www.jpost.com]

Syria reports gun battle on Turkish border
[link to www.jpost.com]


Nasrallah makes rare public appearance in Beirut
[link to www.jpost.com]

Barak: Syrian drill performed out of fear
[link to www.jpost.com]

Iran's Guards on war footing – London. Spy drone capture is US, Israel setback
[link to www.debka.com]

So what does this all mean?
Nations in the Gulf/MiddleEast are prepared for a war. In the very short-term Israel intends to dispell rumors that she will hit Iran, truth or not. Bibi's intent to have early elections is perhaps a ploy to keep everyone guessing on whether it is to pull more power before an attack, or whether it is only keeping the U.S. and its enemies from truly realizing when Israel will strike Iran non-covertly. Many would say, hey if Bibi intends to have early elections, it must mean he will not attack until February.
The tea leaves would say not, however.

Covert operations are only good for so long, and they are becoming less covert as we go. A stealth drone is only the latest miscue in the covert war on Iran and the Hezbollah. Last weekend a spy station was discovered in Lebanon. Dozens fo spies have been captured in the past few weeks in Iran and Lebanon. Now that Iran has put her military on alert status, security around the most critical nuclear sites is very high, they are moving the long-range missiles and hurriedly moving technical equipment into safe hiding places and bunkers. This means covertly, the chances of effective attacks has decreased. Further, with units on war footing, any covert attacks now will more likely cause Iran to lash out at Israel and perhaps the shipping lanes. Thus, if ISrael was trying to buy time before an attack, that is less and less likely now.

So, if Israel finds there is not much that could be done to suppress Iranian nuclear work and after finding that economic sanctions just will not do the job, especially now that Europe has joined with the U.S. and has decided they cannot live without oil from Iran, there comes a moment in time where an all-out attack becomes the only feasible action to stop Iran. That time may have passed, but Bibi and his team right now are strategizing and planning when is the right time and that date may in fact be drawn. The next new moon is the first bet, around Christmas time. Of course, an attack depends on weather as well as events in and around Israel. However, if Bibi could pick a time that is their best choice.

At the same time, there are signs that Syria and the Hezbollah will be called upon to hit Israel for Iran to buy some time and hope to inflict significant enough damage on Israeli forces and industry that Israel will not be capable to hit Iran after a Syrian/Hezbollah offensive.

Thus, the world awaits war, but when? Perhaps G-D will intercede somehow too.

Based upon the current events, the War Index will be slowly raised even higher towards regional war.

WAR INDEX 10.75

Thank you for your posts.

Everything you say is true.

G-D bless and keep you, prayers 4 you and yours.

Dubai Sheikh: If Iran Attacks, Israel Will Wipe It Off the Map
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]

Defense Ministry considering permanent Iron Dome in Haifa
[link to www.jpost.com]

Regional threats too strong to ignore signs of war
Analysis: Difference between ministers is not about gravity of Iranian threat, but rather when the right time would be for Israeli action.
[link to www.jpost.com]

Syria reports gun battle on Turkish border
[link to www.jpost.com]


Nasrallah makes rare public appearance in Beirut
[link to www.jpost.com]

Barak: Syrian drill performed out of fear
[link to www.jpost.com]

Iran's Guards on war footing – London. Spy drone capture is US, Israel setback
[link to www.debka.com]

So what does this all mean?
Nations in the Gulf/MiddleEast are prepared for a war. In the very short-term Israel intends to dispell rumors that she will hit Iran, truth or not. Bibi's intent to have early elections is perhaps a ploy to keep everyone guessing on whether it is to pull more power before an attack, or whether it is only keeping the U.S. and its enemies from truly realizing when Israel will strike Iran non-covertly. Many would say, hey if Bibi intends to have early elections, it must mean he will not attack until February.
The tea leaves would say not, however.

Covert operations are only good for so long, and they are becoming less covert as we go. A stealth drone is only the latest miscue in the covert war on Iran and the Hezbollah. Last weekend a spy station was discovered in Lebanon. Dozens fo spies have been captured in the past few weeks in Iran and Lebanon. Now that Iran has put her military on alert status, security around the most critical nuclear sites is very high, they are moving the long-range missiles and hurriedly moving technical equipment into safe hiding places and bunkers. This means covertly, the chances of effective attacks has decreased. Further, with units on war footing, any covert attacks now will more likely cause Iran to lash out at Israel and perhaps the shipping lanes. Thus, if ISrael was trying to buy time before an attack, that is less and less likely now.

So, if Israel finds there is not much that could be done to suppress Iranian nuclear work and after finding that economic sanctions just will not do the job, especially now that Europe has joined with the U.S. and has decided they cannot live without oil from Iran, there comes a moment in time where an all-out attack becomes the only feasible action to stop Iran. That time may have passed, but Bibi and his team right now are strategizing and planning when is the right time and that date may in fact be drawn. The next new moon is the first bet, around Christmas time. Of course, an attack depends on weather as well as events in and around Israel. However, if Bibi could pick a time that is their best choice.

At the same time, there are signs that Syria and the Hezbollah will be called upon to hit Israel for Iran to buy some time and hope to inflict significant enough damage on Israeli forces and industry that Israel will not be capable to hit Iran after a Syrian/Hezbollah offensive.

Thus, the world awaits war, but when? Perhaps G-D will intercede somehow too.

Based upon the current events, the War Index will be slowly raised even higher towards regional war.

WAR INDEX 10.75

Really the index seems steady with no new bumps yet today. Kinda too calm, calm before the epic storm. All sides seem to have their feet planted on the ground today verses being on their heels. Now if noone plays with fire around the gasoline today the index will remain steady.

WAR INDEX 10.71

What up MM, anything new+

This sheds a whole different light on what Iran is capable of...

Iran exhibits US drone undamaged. US and Israeli intelligence shocked
DEBKAfile Special Report December 8, 2011, 11:28 AM (GMT+02:00)

Iran exhibited the top-secret US stealth drone RQ-170 Sentinel captured on Sunday, Dec. 4. Its almost perfect condition confirmed Tehran's claim that the UAV was downed by a cyber attack, meaning it was not shot down but brought in undamaged by an electronic warfare ambush.
This is a major debacle for the stealth technology the US uses in its warplanes and the drone technology developed by the US and Israel.

The state of the lost UAV refutes the US military contention that the Sentinel's systems malfunctioned. If this had happened, it would have crashed and either been wrecked or damaged. The condition of the RQ-170 intact obliges the US and Israel to make major changes in plans for a potential strike against Iran's nuclear program.

More on: [link to www.debka.com]

Nice to see the latest greatest technology in the hands of the enemy. If Obamah cannot protect our secrets and at least bomb the damn thing then how owuld he ever protect Israel from a sworn enemy. He simply does not care. I am hearing that Israel will not trust Obamah at all too.

That'll be the smartest move for them in the long run...it'll be the smartest move on our part in the long run if he doesn't get re-elected

That depends, Godzilla. Wouldn't most of the technology in the Israeli jets and drones be more or less similar to the one in the US drone that was brought down? I think Israel is worried, very worried about this development.

Gaza militants fire rockets at Israel's south following IDF strike

Grad missile lands near southern city of Be'er Sheva, Qassam lands in open field in western Negev; Palestinians report first IDF airstrike of Gaza City since 2009

[link to www.haaretz.com]

Could not speak of it but ISrael ordered the militant hit in order to clean Gaza before Christmas. Why?
Christmas Surprise Iran

WAR INDEX 10.89

Could not speak of it but ISrael ordered the militant hit in order to clean Gaza before Christmas. Why?
Christmas Surprise Iran

WAR INDEX 10.89

lebanon would be of greater concern, i imagine

I was hoping the index would remain a stable 10.5 for the time-being as I do not have the time nor the money yet to start building up my food supply for when the real sh-t hits the fan, oops maybe I am a homegrown terrorist because I do not want my family to go hungry in a time of crisis. Please do not report me, well too late there too. Anyone who goes on this thread is a terorist according to Obamah, and all of your emails and such I am sure are scanned daily.
Back to it, anyhow, as I say you never know what will transpire in the next hour to blow up the MiddleEast Region. Israel hit a missile unit on their way to the Sinai to launch some grads into Israel, the result, other units have been launching Kassams and Grads. Funny how you never see the damage, but these little missiles blow up cars, damage apartments, and scare the crap out of people. Israel is sick of it. Remember they had discussions a week or two ago about the fact if the missiles continue, they will have to launch an offensive? Well they are being launched again. However, there is now discussion that Israel will try not to conduct a true offensive in the hosrt-term for the last one into Gaza created major anger at Israel. Instead, Israel will sit lightly on its hands, striking every so often and even sending some men into Gaza while refraining from an offensive. Why? Israel wants to keep the negative pressure down until after the Iranian Offensive, otherwise Israel knows it will hav eeven less support for what she must do. Thus, Iran is trying her hardest to up the pressure from the Sinai and Gaza. At the same time she is arming her peasants in Lebanon for the coming offensive against Israel. ISrael will now face many more terror attacks and missiles, but how she hold sherself will be key as to whetehr she intends to hit Iran. The less action on Israel's behalf, the greater the chance of the GREAT EVENT as I will call the coming Iran attack.
Syria, what about Syria? Turkey is losing faith in Syria as is the international community. This is the wildcard to stir things up. If Syria was not such a wild card I would adjust the index down below 10 until the moon gets new.
Right now I have adjusted the Index back down to 10.5 as regional war will not develope on the Iranian front yet, PA front nor Hezbollah for the moment but Syria, she is a wild card keeping the index 1 point above where it should be.

WAR INDEX 10.5

I am holding to 10.5 though military leaders are meeting right now to determine what to do about Israel's security.

as far as Gaza or in general including Syria, Iran?

thanks MM...please keep us up to speed on this when and if you can...I have always felt..if the SHTF...the middeast is where it's all going to start

I think it was MM's Israel vs. Iran 2008 thread that brought me here through a random Google search.

Can't believe we're in basically the same spot.