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Marko Rodin - Smart Lazer Technology

 
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oh
no desire to remain self structured
earth "safer"

is the feel
 Quoting: aether


yes, got to remember the conditions

diminishing abilities plus horrific memory of suffering

wow
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“But here is only know under enveloping sky.”

Or wherever we go that’s where we are in modern speak.

Why would we not want to remain in the safety of the petri dish where every beloved seeks to return.

Remain in the conduit of charge? The omnipresent. (Jungian speak.) The forethought?
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this is why i listen hugs
i only am aware of me
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does awareness of ability to leave alter motive of desire to stay?
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The English neurologist Hughlings Jackson inferred the presence of a topographic map of the body musculature in the cerebral cortex more than a century ago, from his observations of the orderly progressions of seizure activity across the body during epilepsy. Topographic maps of one kind or another are now known to be a ubiquitous feature of cortical organization, at least in the primary sensory and motor areas. Every medical student learns that there is a distorted map of the body surface in somatosensory cortex, known as the ‘homunculus’, and that in the visual cortex there is an orderly map of visual space.
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To resume, the Klein bottle instead of being contained in space it contains itself and the flow of information that is associated to this topology, is the manifestation of this self-containence, this paradoxical situation which becomes real through the production of a singularity which produces the whole structure. By doing this, it supersedes the Cartesian cut and the Aristotelian dualism, by superseding the dicothomy of container and contained, and in semiotic terms, of interpreter and interpreted. We can additionally discern from the previous discussion, that the in-formation process of self-reference, i.e. of consciousness which through the laws of thought which are not longer those of Aristotelian dualism, transforms the ’outside’ into the ’inside’ world (this transformation is the fourth ontological locus that Gunther proposed: thought as a process), and this transformation has to produce a relation between the laws of thought and the laws of the physical world, and superposition has to be related to this relation and with the actual process of transformation of the ’outside’ and ’inside’ realms.
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This was the core of the elaboration of psychoanalysis by Jacques Lacan, who also proposed to consider a higher form of self-reference, the one produced by the gluing of two oppositely twisted Moebius surfaces, to yield the Klein bottle, a higher degree surface of paradox
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The relation given by eq. (54) establishes a link between the operations of cognition and the quantum mechanical spin. This link is an interface between the in-formational and quantum realms, in which topology, torsion, logic and the quantum world operate jointly. Yet, due to fact that for the Klein bottle there is no inside nor outside, the exchange can go in both ways, i.e. the quantum realm can be incorporated into the classical cognitive dynamics, while the logical elements can take part in the quantum evolution.
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We would like to venture some ideas for closing remarks to this conception. The mind-matter problem as usually stated starts by the Cartesian cut, separates the mind from the brain; for neurological evidence in the contrary and the relevance of higher order cognitive functions such as emotions and feelings we refer to Damasio [10]. In this problem, the brain stands in the object side of the cut and since the designative value of Aristotelian logic points to the material objective world, the mind (as the subject qua subject) is cast away and it has to be brought back somehow into this mapping. So, to many researchers consciousness cannot but be treated but as en epiphenomenon, an emergent property of the material world. Thus electric current in the neurons have been invoked in the Hodgkin-Huxley model as the first physical basis [24], and more contemporarily with the work of Penrose and Hammeroff, quantum effects in microtubules have been proposed together with non-algorithmic properties which are related to the incompleteness of the Goedel theorem, to explain the working of the mind and the collapse of the wave function [56].
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Hence, ’classical’ and ’quantum’ may seem to be, to some extent, labels that are expendible, would not be that the former states can be obtained as the final result of a string of logical operators actions that may be mediated by superposed states. This is the ’collapse’ of the quantum system yet with no need of the collapse of the wave-function itself in distinction to the usual approach as in Penrose [56]), or we can have alternatively a string of classical states that can be transformed with the final action of the (renormalized) Klein bottle to a superposed quantum state, leaving out of this conception a clear-cut separation of the classical and the quantum world.
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A particular treat of hypernumbers is the fact that they admit square roots, and still a most rich geometrical interpretation which here we
have not discussed. So where are we to find in the ’outer’ world the correlate of this ’ internal’ time? Is it in the Newtonian absolute time, or is it in the universal time parameter of quantum field theory encountered first by Stuckelberg [82] and further studied by Horwitz and Piron [27], and Fanchi [13]?
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One is the serpent which has its poison according to two compositions. One is All and through it is All and by it is All and if you have not All, All is Nothing. - The Chrysopoeia of Cleopatra


Ouroboros strikes again, to reveal a meta-algorithmic lifeworld.
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yes, got to remember the conditions

diminishing abilities plus horrific memory of suffering

wow
 Quoting: aether


“But here is only know under enveloping sky.”

Or wherever we go that’s where we are in modern speak.

Why would we not want to remain in the safety of the petri dish where every beloved seeks to return.

Remain in the conduit of charge? The omnipresent. (Jungian speak.) The forethought?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492096


this is why i listen hugs
i only am aware of me
 Quoting: aether


does awareness of ability to leave alter motive of desire to stay?
 Quoting: aether


Seems to be a two peas in the same pod somewhere in that question. I’m not sure though. Taking grief with us that accompanies the ability to not look back seems important. Like we know already we leave our presence behind. Though we might forget. Not taking the grief with us, the hubris of thinking we can leave it behind perhaps, seems to be another thrice denial of synchronically. “Essence and presence essence and presence” words in a poem I left out of Un. Perhaps it is just as simple as we take and leave the remembrance of touch. Just feeling it all out like we all are. Words made flesh in the world wide web.
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oh
no desire to remain self structured
earth "safer"

is the feel
 Quoting: aether


yes, got to remember the conditions

diminishing abilities plus horrific memory of suffering

wow
 Quoting: aether


and in order to heal and move on the infection/dis-ease has to be extracted first.
The systems registry is fouled up and needs to be re rooted to the original structure ...reformatting????
Just pondering out loud
 Quoting: Want ~S'More~ Fringe


Maybe psychology will move into the field of collective ptsd one day. Seems we can resolve the individual all we want, but until the core, the collective grief, is addressed we are still in the rat wheel of extinction burst.
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see i see it quite the other way

i think all each of us can do is resolve the individual
the more resolved the individual
the more resolved the interactions between that person and others

it's a vibe quality that has effect on every level and at every juncture

it enlightens the collective for it's very perspective

as we heal ourselves -become more understanding and forgiving of ourselves
we will naturally acquire that understanding and forgiveness of others
we harmonise the vibe
and what doesn't vibe with that harmony will be more and more apparent
on every level
individually and collectively

so, little by little
eating the elephant , one bite at a time
we individually make us -the collective- more functional
in a self perpetuating and structured fashion
spiralling upwards with just the right spin
or hoping to

crazy good times we live in
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somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond
by E. E. Cummings

somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond
any experience,your eyes have their silence:
in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
or which i cannot touch because they are too near

your slightest look easily will unclose me
though i have closed myself as fingers,
you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
(touching skilfully,mysteriously)her first rose

or if your wish be to close me, i and
my life will shut very beautifully ,suddenly,
as when the heart of this flower imagines
the snow carefully everywhere descending;

nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
the power of your intense fragility:whose texture
compels me with the color of its countries,
rendering death and forever with each breathing

(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens;only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody,not even the rain,has such small hands
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Hence, ’classical’ and ’quantum’ may seem to be, to some extent, labels that are expendible, would not be that the former states can be obtained as the final result of a string of logical operators actions that may be mediated by superposed states. This is the ’collapse’ of the quantum system yet with no need of the collapse of the wave-function itself in distinction to the usual approach
 Quoting: just a dude



One is the serpent which has its poison according to two compositions. One is All and through it is All and by it is All and if you have not All, All is Nothing.
 Quoting: The Chrysopoeia of Cleopatra


Ouroboros strikes again, to reveal a meta-algorithmic lifeworld.
 Quoting: just a dude


hovering around it just a dude
feeling it as amm tells rockon

can a set of weak learners create a single strong learner? A weak learner is defined to be a classifier which is only slightly correlated with the true classification (it can label examples better than random guessing). In contrast, a strong learner is a classifier that is arbitrarily well-correlated with the true classification.
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looking at the direction of information and the expression of our past custodians of information i do wonder

where they aware of all they were aware of
not that it matters
or does it
it there a purpose beyond as in:
what happens backwards when the point fits forwards, completely
what happens to the past

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My romantic have spoketh. That’s about all she wrote. lol Everyone have a good one. rose
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My romantic have spoketh. That’s about all she wrote. lol Everyone have a good one. rose
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romantic is the essence of the motives expression

energy (information) awareness = expression (romance) fulfilling
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yes, got to remember the conditions

diminishing abilities plus horrific memory of suffering

wow
 Quoting: aether


and in order to heal and move on the infection/dis-ease has to be extracted first.
The systems registry is fouled up and needs to be re rooted to the original structure ...reformatting????
Just pondering out loud
 Quoting: Want ~S'More~ Fringe


Maybe psychology will move into the field of collective ptsd one day. Seems we can resolve the individual all we want, but until the core, the collective grief, is addressed we are still in the rat wheel of extinction burst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492096


see i see it quite the other way

i think all each of us can do is resolve the individual
the more resolved the individual
the more resolved the interactions between that person and others

it's a vibe quality that has effect on every level and at every juncture

it enlightens the collective for it's very perspective

as we heal ourselves -become more understanding and forgiving of ourselves
we will naturally acquire that understanding and forgiveness of others
we harmonise the vibe
and what doesn't vibe with that harmony will be more and more apparent
on every level
individually and collectively

so, little by little
eating the elephant , one bite at a time
we individually make us -the collective- more functional
in a self perpetuating and structured fashion
spiralling upwards with just the right spin
or hoping to

crazy good times we live in
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6876556


Age old debate between sociology and psychology. Maybe more will leave their egos between at some point and work together. But sociology of course will always still be the top dog...lol Five societal structures form the individual. No one likes the deconstruction of reconstruction phase. Well some do....
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and in order to heal and move on the infection/dis-ease has to be extracted first.
The systems registry is fouled up and needs to be re rooted to the original structure ...reformatting????
Just pondering out loud
 Quoting: Want ~S'More~ Fringe


Maybe psychology will move into the field of collective ptsd one day. Seems we can resolve the individual all we want, but until the core, the collective grief, is addressed we are still in the rat wheel of extinction burst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492096


see i see it quite the other way

i think all each of us can do is resolve the individual
the more resolved the individual
the more resolved the interactions between that person and others

it's a vibe quality that has effect on every level and at every juncture

it enlightens the collective for it's very perspective

as we heal ourselves -become more understanding and forgiving of ourselves
we will naturally acquire that understanding and forgiveness of others
we harmonise the vibe
and what doesn't vibe with that harmony will be more and more apparent
on every level
individually and collectively

so, little by little
eating the elephant , one bite at a time
we individually make us -the collective- more functional
in a self perpetuating and structured fashion
spiralling upwards with just the right spin
or hoping to

crazy good times we live in
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6876556


Age old debate between sociology and psychology. Maybe more will leave their egos between at some point and work together. But sociology of course will always still be the top dog...lol Five societal structures form the individual. No one likes the deconstruction of reconstruction phase. Well some do....
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and in order to heal and move on the infection/dis-ease has to be extracted first.
The systems registry is fouled up and needs to be re rooted to the original structure ...reformatting????
Just pondering out loud
 Quoting: Want ~S'More~ Fringe


Maybe psychology will move into the field of collective ptsd one day. Seems we can resolve the individual all we want, but until the core, the collective grief, is addressed we are still in the rat wheel of extinction burst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492096


see i see it quite the other way

i think all each of us can do is resolve the individual
the more resolved the individual
the more resolved the interactions between that person and others

it's a vibe quality that has effect on every level and at every juncture

it enlightens the collective for it's very perspective

as we heal ourselves -become more understanding and forgiving of ourselves
we will naturally acquire that understanding and forgiveness of others
we harmonise the vibe
and what doesn't vibe with that harmony will be more and more apparent
on every level
individually and collectively

so, little by little
eating the elephant , one bite at a time
we individually make us -the collective- more functional
in a self perpetuating and structured fashion
spiralling upwards with just the right spin
or hoping to

crazy good times we live in
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6876556


Age old debate between sociology and psychology. Maybe more will leave their egos between at some point and work together. But sociology of course will always still be the top dog...lol Five societal structures form the individual. No one likes the deconstruction of reconstruction phase. Well some do....
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Interesting Jungian typo.

1rof1

Guess we just solved the ego debate.

bike
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Question... if you've put the bread in the toaster and you know it will pop out soon... Do you still startle and jump? I do... this freaks me out for some reason, lol.
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Question... if you've put the bread in the toaster and you know it will pop out soon... Do you still startle and jump? I do... this freaks me out for some reason, lol.
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OMG. I do that too. But would have never told until you said it first. Why would I not tell it first. Because I consider such a quirk yummy and all mine mine mine just like the toast. Unless of course the neighbor to borrow and egg. And how the fuck does one borrow an egg. That egg. The one given at that moment. Just best to be up front and ask, “Hey, can I have that egg."
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Question... if you've put the bread in the toaster and you know it will pop out soon... Do you still startle and jump? I do... this freaks me out for some reason, lol.
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OMG. I do that too. But would have never told until you said it first. Why would I not tell it first. Because I consider such a quirk yummy and all mine mine mine just like the toast. Unless of course the neighbor to borrow and egg. And how the fuck does one borrow an egg. That egg. The one given at that moment. Just best to be up front and ask, “Hey, can I have that egg."
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Because we feel brave, tell ourselves we are and the humble toaster scares us just by the very act of toastering. Toasters were created to destroy our ego... kitchen zen :)
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Question... if you've put the bread in the toaster and you know it will pop out soon... Do you still startle and jump? I do... this freaks me out for some reason, lol.
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Yes I do...Every time. lol
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Question... if you've put the bread in the toaster and you know it will pop out soon... Do you still startle and jump? I do... this freaks me out for some reason, lol.
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OMG. I do that too. But would have never told until you said it first. Why would I not tell it first. Because I consider such a quirk yummy and all mine mine mine just like the toast. Unless of course the neighbor to borrow and egg. And how the fuck does one borrow an egg. That egg. The one given at that moment. Just best to be up front and ask, “Hey, can I have that egg."
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you don`t feel it coming because the source (cause) has 0 feeling to give
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Aether.....What part of the UK are you from? Are you going to be in the path of the big storm this week?

Thread: Major Double Storm for UK

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Aether.....What part of the UK are you from? Are you going to be in the path of the big storm this week?

Thread: Major Double Storm for UK
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i was just thinking that in conjunction to "fringe effects" as expressed on gogo thread
i`m in london , the bottom right corner of uk
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I'm happy the sun's out today... it's been dreary here it the foothills for the past week. I finally saw the moon last night, made me smile. Here's a crappy cell phone pic that doesn't do it justice....

:moonbea:
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Aether.....What part of the UK are you from? Are you going to be in the path of the big storm this week?

Thread: Major Double Storm for UK
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i was just thinking that in conjunction to "fringe effects" as expressed on gogo thread
i`m in london , the bottom right corner of uk
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before a month or so ago i was more "in the loop" as in: aware

recently i discovered i am naturally prompted to acknowledge others input hence i "switched off" to a degree
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I'm happy the sun's out today... it's been dreary here it the foothills for the past week. I finally saw the moon last night, made me smile. Here's a crappy cell phone pic that doesn't do it justice....

:moonbea:
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your moon dazzles
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Aether.....What part of the UK are you from? Are you going to be in the path of the big storm this week?

Thread: Major Double Storm for UK
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i was just thinking that in conjunction to "fringe effects" as expressed on gogo thread
i`m in london , the bottom right corner of uk
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Been there. Lived my first seventeen years of life in England. Still hold a British passport.hf
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Aether.....What part of the UK are you from? Are you going to be in the path of the big storm this week?

Thread: Major Double Storm for UK
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i was just thinking that in conjunction to "fringe effects" as expressed on gogo thread
i`m in london , the bottom right corner of uk
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Been there. Lived my first seventeen years of life in England. Still hold a British passport.hf
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oh
i got usa multiple indefinitely bearer(s) stamp on mine
they like us rockon

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i was prompted to discover your first post


Ever think that maybe this constant belief that someone somewhere is going to come save us and punish the wicked might be the ultimate trick being played on us? We drift aimlessly waiting for a date, a sign and it makes us weak, passive against a future we have no control over. In effect, false interpretation of doctrine plays its part in making sure that we never effect a change upon the world of our own. We believe the beliefs of others, wait to be told what we can or cannot do, we listen to dogma instead of our hearts.

We proclaim from the rooftops for all to hear we've found the truth, but it's not my truth... and we all have our own. There are as many religions on earth as there are people. No two people see the divine in the same way. To fight over who's right is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Maybe we should be looking at things that we all, as humans forced to share the same finite space, have in common and finding ways to build bridges instead of blowing them up.

But this blind arrogance that we can use up the world and allow the suffering of others because Jesus is coming soon has to stop. If we don't take responsibility and at least attempt to make the world better, what does it say about us if and when that day comes? Honestly? I don't care what you believe as long as you're not hurting anyone else. There are good people everywhere and guess what? You're not going to agree with all of them about everything. But that doesn't make them bad people.

It's like a playground. No one likes a bully and this is my world, too. I'm tired of being pushed around by zealots and idiots. All I want is a little common sense, logic, compassion and love. The world needs to heal and right now, we're just poking the wound.
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a few moments ago
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Wow, forgotten about writing that. A manifesto, hehe. Sounds like a moment of bitter truth I captured there for prosterity. I feel that me's sadness, frustration, hope for what could be and real lonliness that I imagined no one "got" it, that I was the only one who saw it. Thank you... crying, loathe to admit that. You took me on a time machine, the past became now and I felt her pain. No less poignant now than then, personally anyway.
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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I was looking for my first post in coming back the other day. Found the thread. But then didn’t feel like digging for the first post. Meant to bookmark it to go back later. Then forgot. Now that right there. Is so me. It is probably already bookmarked in a folder buried within folders somewhere anyway. Kinda what my closet ends up looking like just before company is coming over. But hey. I know exactly where my dirty 501’s are in the middle of the clothes hamper when I really want to wear em. Maybe.
The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind.
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The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind.
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Meant to post that on the music thread. fish
The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind.
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