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I think of things, and wonder if they are things I shouldn't think. Always questioning now. Seeing beauty in the world around me, and feeling guilt in seeing the beauty.

WTF is that? What is the answer to that? I cannot find an answer to that. No matter which way I look, the games and words are spread around me that lay a blanket over what is right or wrong. HAH, even though I know in my heart what is right or wrong, beauty can still be the temptress, and at the same exact time, be the love, the truth, the wonder, of living in the material.

There is no answer. There is no right or wrong. There is merely a joining of relationship that both parties feel as 'right' and true. Or violated and wrong.

How to look at it? To look at it in the physical perfection of beauty, the physical perfection of mastering the material?

Or, is that the way of the fallen? How they became trapped in the material, unable to rise above the seduction of the physical world?

Maybe, as an out, they instead try to solve the question as to how to live both at one time; fully spiritual while fully physical.

Are we supposed to grow beyond that seduction? Or, are we to embrace it?
 Quoting: SickScent


well in my experience , coherent seduction is life force
finding coherence is the tricky part i discovered tounge
 Quoting: aether


aether, coherence has been the easy part for me. Seduction has been somewhat of the easy part for me my entire life. But, is/was that always wrong? Or right in that both parties came away with what they wanted? Which was physical and non-physical. What if creation of both could be a conscious decision?
 Quoting: SickScent


oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
 Quoting: aether


It has been easy to me...see my above edit.

That is where the final decision ends up lying. Or, one of the final decisions. The pleasure of the flesh. The easy manifestation of that desire through seduction and DIFFERENT partners.

I have answered the question by taking care of it by mastering the non-material. I can continue my accomplishment of when I was younger (desire), in the non-material, and 'play' as if it were real.

So, it comes down to desire, and want of physical attraction, and the beauty/fun that can be attained. But, I can cheat in that I can reproduce experiences in the non-material. And I desire that interaction A LOT, especially when I can manifest ANYTHING I want.
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well in my experience , coherent seduction is life force
finding coherence is the tricky part i discovered tounge
 Quoting: aether


aether, coherence has been the easy part for me. Seduction has been somewhat of the easy part for me my entire life. But, is/was that always wrong? Or right in that both parties came away with what they wanted? Which was physical and non-physical. What if creation of both could be a conscious decision?
 Quoting: SickScent


oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
 Quoting: aether


It has been easy to me...see my above edit.

That is where the final decision ends up lying. Or, one of the final decisions. The pleasure of the flesh. The easy manifestation of that desire through seduction and DIFFERENT partners.

I have answered the question by taking care of it by mastering the non-material. I can continue my accomplishment of when I was younger (desire), in the non-material, and 'play' as if it were real.

So, it comes down to desire, and want of physical attraction, and the beauty/fun that can be attained. But, I can cheat in that I can reproduce experiences in the non-material. And I desire that interaction A LOT, especially when I can manifest ANYTHING I want.
 Quoting: SickScent


yes by default this is women territory for me and where those my thoughts i would be talking to a women
i can`t offer reply, my capability to do so shuts down because of the topic
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Maybe I can see a change in communication. Maye not.

There is too much going on...
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If Beings of Light Vibrate without losing themselves and find themselves in agreed upon "space" vibrating. I think it's kind of like feeling the ripples from someone else in The Life Stream if you will. I sensed this for the first time when I was getting some Mexican food an hour ago or so, kind of owned the moment was fascinating.
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I think of things, and wonder if they are things I shouldn't think. Always questioning now. Seeing beauty in the world around me, and feeling guilt in seeing the beauty.

WTF is that? What is the answer to that? I cannot find an answer to that. No matter which way I look, the games and words are spread around me that lay a blanket over what is right or wrong. HAH, even though I know in my heart what is right or wrong, beauty can still be the temptress, and at the same exact time, be the love, the truth, the wonder, of living in the material.

There is no answer. There is no right or wrong. There is merely a joining of relationship that both parties feel as 'right' and true. Or violated and wrong.

How to look at it? To look at it in the physical perfection of beauty, the physical perfection of mastering the material?

Or, is that the way of the fallen? How they became trapped in the material, unable to rise above the seduction of the physical world?

Maybe, as an out, they instead try to solve the question as to how to live both at one time; fully spiritual while fully physical.

Are we supposed to grow beyond that seduction? Or, are we to embrace it?
 Quoting: SickScent


I'm a firm believer in embracing it. And not idealizing the beauty or putting it in a box. Fertilizing the most beautiful flower from shit, we forget it takes both to create the material world. The lesson? You can't have the pretty without the ugly, not in this cycle. Is the pretty worth it or not? Rot, decay, death fuel the energy around us. We wonder is this reality or is it not reality... I have the gut feeling it's not, lol... it makes it easier to accept this experience for what it really seems to be, waves pretending to be particles for a little while, lol. Or whatever model makes more sense tomorrow :)

My advice for consideration only, I'm not suggesting it in action, merely thought experiment. Friend and not guru. Embrace the ambiguity, the absurdity, the ambivalence of material life, but it doesn't have to be a long hug, just long enough to remind you there's a purpose behind it all or not. Examine why you'd call it seduction, figure out the things that tempt you, learn why... and what that means to you personally. And I wonder why you feel guilty for seeing the beauty?
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I think of things, and wonder if they are things I shouldn't think. Always questioning now. Seeing beauty in the world around me, and feeling guilt in seeing the beauty.

WTF is that? What is the answer to that? I cannot find an answer to that. No matter which way I look, the games and words are spread around me that lay a blanket over what is right or wrong. HAH, even though I know in my heart what is right or wrong, beauty can still be the temptress, and at the same exact time, be the love, the truth, the wonder, of living in the material.

There is no answer. There is no right or wrong. There is merely a joining of relationship that both parties feel as 'right' and true. Or violated and wrong.

How to look at it? To look at it in the physical perfection of beauty, the physical perfection of mastering the material?

Or, is that the way of the fallen? How they became trapped in the material, unable to rise above the seduction of the physical world?

Maybe, as an out, they instead try to solve the question as to how to live both at one time; fully spiritual while fully physical.

Are we supposed to grow beyond that seduction? Or, are we to embrace it?
 Quoting: SickScent


You see the Earth and people as Life's Beauty I think, you see how freely given this Beauty is and I its timelessness. You might be describing guilt for being so privileged in the things you've known from youth and seeing why what is missing has been hidden. This is why for me it's very frustrating to actually see so many people on here trying to say there is no Good there is no Evil, I believe it will become undeniabley evident before 2013. Wonder what the corelation between Illuminati and 13 is, seems to have various implications.
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hey fringe, look what just arose as i am going to bed

The role of the global electric circuit in solar and internal forcing of clouds and climate

Reports of a variety of short-term meteorological responses to changes in the global electric circuit associated with a set of disparate inputs are analyzed. The meteorological responses consist of changes in cloud cover, atmospheric temperature, pressure, or dynamics. All of these are found to be responding to changes in a key linking agent, that of the downward current density, Jz, that flows from the ionosphere through the troposphere to the surface (ocean and land). As it flows through layer clouds, Jz generates space charge in conductivity gradients at the upper and lower boundaries, and this electrical charge is capable of affecting the microphysical interactions between droplets and both ice-forming nuclei and condensation nuclei..................
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[link to www.sciencedirect.com]

i have never heard of our global electric circuit before this moment and although it does not tell in this study i am advised it is the same strength all around our planet filling the atmosphere between the ground and our ionosphere but it rises and falls in strength in synchronization to our suns position overhead in instant time, just as gravity must do

in other words it must be formed/effected by radiated electricity from our sun and that electrical effect must reach and effect earth at the same time as it is caused upon our sun

no 8 mins light speed, instantaneous superluminal velocity

well, what a nice day
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hey fringe, look what just arose as i am going to bed

The role of the global electric circuit in solar and internal forcing of clouds and climate

Reports of a variety of short-term meteorological responses to changes in the global electric circuit associated with a set of disparate inputs are analyzed. The meteorological responses consist of changes in cloud cover, atmospheric temperature, pressure, or dynamics. All of these are found to be responding to changes in a key linking agent, that of the downward current density, Jz, that flows from the ionosphere through the troposphere to the surface (ocean and land). As it flows through layer clouds, Jz generates space charge in conductivity gradients at the upper and lower boundaries, and this electrical charge is capable of affecting the microphysical interactions between droplets and both ice-forming nuclei and condensation nuclei..................
 Quoting: abstract

[link to www.sciencedirect.com]

i have never heard of our global electric circuit before this moment and although it does not tell in this study i am advised it is the same strength all around our planet filling the atmosphere between the ground and our ionosphere but it rises and falls in strength in synchronization to our suns position overhead in instant time, just as gravity must do

in other words it must be formed/effected by radiated electricity from our sun and that electrical effect must reach and effect earth at the same time as it is caused upon our sun

no 8 mins light speed, instantaneous superluminal velocity

well, what a nice day
 Quoting: aether


What do you want to bet it interacts with us individually just as the sun interacts with us? Form follows function - it would appear there is a continuous chain from univerasal galactic scale to the individual scale.

Nice.
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Was just thinking about you, had a good thought on another thread, let me grab it.
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if God is all knowing, he knew what he was doing when he made us and our paths... if he was going to discard any of us, he would be as bad as a kid with leggos throwing them around the room because he didn't like the car he made.

i think the true purpose of all things will be revealed when we pass over, so do as you do, God already knew what you would be doing anyway... freedom of choice is the only freedom we have, so choose the path you think is the right one...

doesn't everyone want a nicer world?
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I think the # of people who survive and are present when those who passed are Raised will grow as faith in knowing what you have said is true. But there are people who will never want a nice world and they're the reason so many terrible things are happening. Funding wars and campaigning the marketing and subjecation of women while being ran by a Feministic Corporitized Mentality which thrives of Monetary Enslavement and The Poverty Bred of Suffering.

The root of such entities is so deeply founded in mankind that a great many people will surly pass in the coming shifts and ascensions of power. Mankind will prevail, the Earth will remember The Fallen Golden Age and Shine even brighter in the absence of Religious Opression and Ignorance.
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if God is all knowing, he knew what he was doing when he made us and our paths... if he was going to discard any of us, he would be as bad as a kid with leggos throwing them around the room because he didn't like the car he made.

i think the true purpose of all things will be revealed when we pass over, so do as you do, God already knew what you would be doing anyway... freedom of choice is the only freedom we have, so choose the path you think is the right one...

doesn't everyone want a nicer world?
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I think the # of people who survive and are present when those who passed are Raised will grow as faith in knowing what you have said is true. But there are people who will never want a nice world and they're the reason so many terrible things are happening. Funding wars and campaigning the marketing and subjecation of women while being ran by a Feministic Corporitized Mentality which thrives of Monetary Enslavement and The Poverty Bred of Suffering.

The root of such entities is so deeply founded in mankind that a great many people will surly pass in the coming shifts and ascensions of power. Mankind will prevail, the Earth will remember The Fallen Golden Age and Shine even brighter in the absence of Religious Opression and Ignorance.
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I think you provide food for thought. I'll respond directly tomorrow (as I'm sure others will). Meanwhile,,,

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if God is all knowing, he knew what he was doing when he made us and our paths... if he was going to discard any of us, he would be as bad as a kid with leggos throwing them around the room because he didn't like the car he made.

i think the true purpose of all things will be revealed when we pass over, so do as you do, God already knew what you would be doing anyway... freedom of choice is the only freedom we have, so choose the path you think is the right one...

doesn't everyone want a nicer world?
Quoting: citizenperth


I think the # of people who survive and are present when those who passed are Raised will grow as faith in knowing what you have said is true. But there are people who will never want a nice world and they're the reason so many terrible things are happening. Funding wars and campaigning the marketing and subjecation of women while being ran by a Feministic Corporitized Mentality which thrives of Monetary Enslavement and The Poverty Bred of Suffering.

The root of such entities is so deeply founded in mankind that a great many people will surly pass in the coming shifts and ascensions of power. Mankind will prevail, the Earth will remember The Fallen Golden Age and Shine even brighter in the absence of Religious Opression and Ignorance.
 Quoting: HilosPP


I think you provide food for thought. I'll respond directly tomorrow (as I'm sure others will). Meanwhile,,,

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I think what you say is true - many will have chosen to ascend through death - it is the most direct route.

Then there are those that have chosen to ascend in situ - yourself, aether, ss, blue, Luna, amm, Bea, and wf to name a few included - this requires a reincarnation in body. That process isn't without it's challenges and we find support through these groups. We have reincarnated So many times individually its hard to keep track but now, in body and as a group, it is a unique experience. It isn't something we were prepared for by society - and it is hard to reconcile religious teachings, everyday mundane events, family members, experience and enlightenment.

Contrast this with our emerging scientific knowledge and competing theories of everything and we are only borderline sane.

In the end there is a truth here - a truth of spirit and it's triumph against all appearances. We are all part of that story, and this interaction is its telling - this universe has evolved to observe itself as one and many, simultaneously. We will all walk the paths of the others and there is no end. We are each other and ourselves, infinitely repeating. As we understand more so does our universal selves and self.

So are we math? Electricity? Matter? Spirit? God? Satan? Ai? Yes. We are that and more - beyond our comprehension. Doctrine and religion can only lay so much groundwork - eventually we have to fly.

Sick sorry for all the vids but with my apogee I'm feeling the multimedia more. These resonate with the me that is emerging from the cocoon.





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Again apologies for the media spam, but much more effective at saying what I'm trying to say. Listen and enjoy if it suits you, otherwise please ignore and my apologies on plugging up your phones.



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I think of things, and wonder if they are things I shouldn't think. Always questioning now. Seeing beauty in the world around me, and feeling guilt in seeing the beauty.

WTF is that? What is the answer to that? I cannot find an answer to that. No matter which way I look, the games and words are spread around me that lay a blanket over what is right or wrong. HAH, even though I know in my heart what is right or wrong, beauty can still be the temptress, and at the same exact time, be the love, the truth, the wonder, of living in the material.

There is no answer. There is no right or wrong. There is merely a joining of relationship that both parties feel as 'right' and true. Or violated and wrong.

How to look at it? To look at it in the physical perfection of beauty, the physical perfection of mastering the material?

Or, is that the way of the fallen? How they became trapped in the material, unable to rise above the seduction of the physical world?

Maybe, as an out, they instead try to solve the question as to how to live both at one time; fully spiritual while fully physical.

Are we supposed to grow beyond that seduction? Or, are we to embrace it?
 Quoting: SickScent


well in my experience , coherent seduction is life force
finding coherence is the tricky part i discovered tounge
 Quoting: aether


aether, coherence has been the easy part for me. Seduction has been somewhat of the easy part for me my entire life. But, is/was that always wrong? Or right in that both parties came away with what they wanted? Which was physical and non-physical. What if creation of both could be a conscious decision?
 Quoting: SickScent


oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
 Quoting: aether


well allow me, pal

love a bit of requested advice ( albeit indirctly ;-)

if i'm getting what you mean
then your guilt is appropriate

you are meant to recognise seduction
and reflect on what part of you is desiring and why you desire

it's not wrong to desire
it's an emotional drive which reflects a hunger
you've been given a set of emotions (tools) with which you can gain greater understanding of yourself

your physical/emotional self and what is driving that at any point

if you instantly fulfil your desire - or over time - having anguished about the 'rightness'
then feel 'guilt'
your guilt has told you whether your actions ring true to your inner self or not

i see guilt and shame as 'tools' - further assistance -further 'meat' for the table of your reflective feast

logically - you know what you manifest in the astral may not be 'visible'-to all- but is created all the same and has effect and consequence -that's physics that is

it isn't imaginary
it is real-it has consequence
just on another level

but it also sets up incoherence between your physical and emotional being as you feel guilt (consequence)
private guilt - but guilt all the same
and you 'wear' that , physically

and most women are very intuitive with such 'clothes'

old arguement here but maybe helpful- if your wife could travel in the astral-as you do
and she was getting heavily nailed by big strapping hunkas every night
while cuddled up next to you

and one day on your astral travels , you chose to see that -and she was loving it -
how would you feel?

and would you wake in the morning , feeling any different
towards her -and she you

i suspect you might


the desire of the flesh tell us about our good fleshy selves
our emotions compliment that learning
both those when we act and when we don't

how about you set up a desire - a full bodied one- have it before you and know it's yours

then choose not to-for whatever reason feels right
see how you feel about yourself then
and then decide if your guilt now is appropriate or not

from a female perpective - i think it is

good luck pal , hope that helps
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well in my experience , coherent seduction is life force
finding coherence is the tricky part i discovered tounge
 Quoting: aether


aether, coherence has been the easy part for me. Seduction has been somewhat of the easy part for me my entire life. But, is/was that always wrong? Or right in that both parties came away with what they wanted? Which was physical and non-physical. What if creation of both could be a conscious decision?
 Quoting: SickScent


oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
 Quoting: aether


well allow me, pal

love a bit of requested advice ( albeit indirctly ;-)

if i'm getting what you mean
then your guilt is appropriate

you are meant to recognise seduction
and reflect on what part of you is desiring and why you desire

it's not wrong to desire
it's an emotional drive which reflects a hunger
you've been given a set of emotions (tools) with which you can gain greater understanding of yourself

your physical/emotional self and what is driving that at any point

if you instantly fulfil your desire - or over time - having anguished about the 'rightness'
then feel 'guilt'
your guilt has told you whether your actions ring true to your inner self or not

i see guilt and shame as 'tools' - further assistance -further 'meat' for the table of your reflective feast

logically - you know what you manifest in the astral may not be 'visible'-to all- but is created all the same and has effect and consequence -that's physics that is

it isn't imaginary
it is real-it has consequence
just on another level

but it also sets up incoherence between your physical and emotional being as you feel guilt (consequence)
private guilt - but guilt all the same
and you 'wear' that , physically

and most women are very intuitive with such 'clothes'

old arguement here but maybe helpful- if your wife could travel in the astral-as you do
and she was getting heavily nailed by big strapping hunkas every night
while cuddled up next to you

and one day on your astral travels , you chose to see that -and she was loving it -
how would you feel?

and would you wake in the morning , feeling any different
towards her -and she you

i suspect you might


the desire of the flesh tell us about our good fleshy selves
our emotions compliment that learning
both those when we act and when we don't

how about you set up a desire - a full bodied one- have it before you and know it's yours

then choose not to-for whatever reason feels right
see how you feel about yourself then
and then decide if your guilt now is appropriate or not

from a female perpective - i think it is

good luck pal , hope that helps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7905354


I'm going to step outside my norm and disagree. I find the emotion of guilt to be artificial - the artifice of dualistic paradigm and something easily avoided by remaining true to oneself and their situation.

Keep your paradigm screwed straight - if your wife travels in the astral and gets hammered know in some future you'll be her and she'll be you and you don't want to be the dick who was all resentful about her having a good time.

Sick, I know that's not where your coming from but I did think there value in the clarity.

My advice is to keep that center you obtain every night and use it to anchor the emotional ebb & flow around you. I know it's tough but I have people with bipolar around me so I can attest it can be done. Zen. Ohm. ;)
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aether, coherence has been the easy part for me. Seduction has been somewhat of the easy part for me my entire life. But, is/was that always wrong? Or right in that both parties came away with what they wanted? Which was physical and non-physical. What if creation of both could be a conscious decision?
 Quoting: SickScent


oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
 Quoting: aether


well allow me, pal

love a bit of requested advice ( albeit indirctly ;-)

if i'm getting what you mean
then your guilt is appropriate

you are meant to recognise seduction
and reflect on what part of you is desiring and why you desire

it's not wrong to desire
it's an emotional drive which reflects a hunger
you've been given a set of emotions (tools) with which you can gain greater understanding of yourself

your physical/emotional self and what is driving that at any point

if you instantly fulfil your desire - or over time - having anguished about the 'rightness'
then feel 'guilt'
your guilt has told you whether your actions ring true to your inner self or not

i see guilt and shame as 'tools' - further assistance -further 'meat' for the table of your reflective feast

logically - you know what you manifest in the astral may not be 'visible'-to all- but is created all the same and has effect and consequence -that's physics that is

it isn't imaginary
it is real-it has consequence
just on another level

but it also sets up incoherence between your physical and emotional being as you feel guilt (consequence)
private guilt - but guilt all the same
and you 'wear' that , physically

and most women are very intuitive with such 'clothes'

old arguement here but maybe helpful- if your wife could travel in the astral-as you do
and she was getting heavily nailed by big strapping hunkas every night
while cuddled up next to you

and one day on your astral travels , you chose to see that -and she was loving it -
how would you feel?

and would you wake in the morning , feeling any different
towards her -and she you

i suspect you might


the desire of the flesh tell us about our good fleshy selves
our emotions compliment that learning
both those when we act and when we don't

how about you set up a desire - a full bodied one- have it before you and know it's yours

then choose not to-for whatever reason feels right
see how you feel about yourself then
and then decide if your guilt now is appropriate or not

from a female perpective - i think it is

good luck pal , hope that helps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7905354


I'm going to step outside my norm and disagree. I find the emotion of guilt to be artificial - the artifice of dualistic paradigm and something easily avoided by remaining true to oneself and their situation.

Keep your paradigm screwed straight - if your wife travels in the astral and gets hammered know in some future you'll be her and she'll be you and you don't want to be the dick who was all resentful about her having a good time.

Sick, I know that's not where your coming from but I did think there value in the clarity.

My advice is to keep that center you obtain every night and use it to anchor the emotional ebb & flow around you. I know it's tough but I have people with bipolar around me so I can attest it can be done. Zen. Ohm. ;)
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i think we agree and disagree ,actually

agreed that guilt is the artifice of dualism

but emotional/physical being is dualistic-for the purpose of learning

lower vibrational qualities have to be
until transcended
how else would we learn to balance if we don't have a pivot (conscience)

resentment is just as appropriate as guilt - it has to be appropriate to you - if it's what you feel

but if one is feeling guilt- the light is flashing ( your personal alarm bell) that you are not balanced about your actions and therefore there is space for learning

no point looking down loftily from a higher mental plain - when the lower place is imbalanced - it will screw with the mentals ultimately

we have to start from the bottom up - the mentals can help the process but the emotion and physical feelings they carry have their own balanced to be achived - it cannot be avoided by deeming it dualistic and false before actually learning from it

why is it dualistic ? because there is learning to do
nothing is accidental - dualism has a purpose

you don't transcend dualism by knowing of it's paradoxical falseness alone-
and if you're having guilt- it's for a purpose
it's reflecting a dualistic 'battle' within
one to be learned from , balanced and transcended
as the 'battle' creates distortion



we all have our little battles going on internally , as we seek to achive balance
know and balance yourself in the astral and physical and dualism naturally disintgrates and reveals itelf as paradoxically false in higher realm

but knowing in the mental . without requisite balance of lower levels - isn't mentally balanced
knowing is also a tool

lastly- ss- the power you possess in the astral is a seduction in itelf

one you have clearly experienced before - and is a recurring theme of your learning

embrace your dualism , where it exists- and understand yourself - it has a purpose which you not only consented to but designed , so that you may know of yourself

i say your guilt is appropriate for you because you do
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oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
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well allow me, pal

love a bit of requested advice ( albeit indirctly ;-)

if i'm getting what you mean
then your guilt is appropriate

you are meant to recognise seduction
and reflect on what part of you is desiring and why you desire

it's not wrong to desire
it's an emotional drive which reflects a hunger
you've been given a set of emotions (tools) with which you can gain greater understanding of yourself

your physical/emotional self and what is driving that at any point

if you instantly fulfil your desire - or over time - having anguished about the 'rightness'
then feel 'guilt'
your guilt has told you whether your actions ring true to your inner self or not

i see guilt and shame as 'tools' - further assistance -further 'meat' for the table of your reflective feast

logically - you know what you manifest in the astral may not be 'visible'-to all- but is created all the same and has effect and consequence -that's physics that is

it isn't imaginary
it is real-it has consequence
just on another level

but it also sets up incoherence between your physical and emotional being as you feel guilt (consequence)
private guilt - but guilt all the same
and you 'wear' that , physically

and most women are very intuitive with such 'clothes'

old arguement here but maybe helpful- if your wife could travel in the astral-as you do
and she was getting heavily nailed by big strapping hunkas every night
while cuddled up next to you

and one day on your astral travels , you chose to see that -and she was loving it -
how would you feel?

and would you wake in the morning , feeling any different
towards her -and she you

i suspect you might


the desire of the flesh tell us about our good fleshy selves
our emotions compliment that learning
both those when we act and when we don't

how about you set up a desire - a full bodied one- have it before you and know it's yours

then choose not to-for whatever reason feels right
see how you feel about yourself then
and then decide if your guilt now is appropriate or not

from a female perpective - i think it is

good luck pal , hope that helps
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I'm going to step outside my norm and disagree. I find the emotion of guilt to be artificial - the artifice of dualistic paradigm and something easily avoided by remaining true to oneself and their situation.

Keep your paradigm screwed straight - if your wife travels in the astral and gets hammered know in some future you'll be her and she'll be you and you don't want to be the dick who was all resentful about her having a good time.

Sick, I know that's not where your coming from but I did think there value in the clarity.

My advice is to keep that center you obtain every night and use it to anchor the emotional ebb & flow around you. I know it's tough but I have people with bipolar around me so I can attest it can be done. Zen. Ohm. ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6076030



i think we agree and disagree ,actually

agreed that guilt is the artifice of dualism

but emotional/physical being is dualistic-for the purpose of learning

lower vibrational qualities have to be
until transcended
how else would we learn to balance if we don't have a pivot (conscience)

resentment is just as appropriate as guilt - it has to be appropriate to you - if it's what you feel

but if one is feeling guilt- the light is flashing ( your personal alarm bell) that you are not balanced about your actions and therefore there is space for learning

no point looking down loftily from a higher mental plain - when the lower place is imbalanced - it will screw with the mentals ultimately

we have to start from the bottom up - the mentals can help the process but the emotion and physical feelings they carry have their own balanced to be achived - it cannot be avoided by deeming it dualistic and false before actually learning from it

why is it dualistic ? because there is learning to do
nothing is accidental - dualism has a purpose

you don't transcend dualism by knowing of it's paradoxical falseness alone-
and if you're having guilt- it's for a purpose
it's reflecting a dualistic 'battle' within
one to be learned from , balanced and transcended
as the 'battle' creates distortion



we all have our little battles going on internally , as we seek to achive balance
know and balance yourself in the astral and physical and dualism naturally disintgrates and reveals itelf as paradoxically false in higher realm

but knowing in the mental . without requisite balance of lower levels - isn't mentally balanced
knowing is also a tool

lastly- ss- the power you possess in the astral is a seduction in itelf

one you have clearly experienced before - and is a recurring theme of your learning

embrace your dualism , where it exists- and understand yourself - it has a purpose which you not only consented to but designed , so that you may know of yourself

i say your guilt is appropriate for you because you do
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Yeah, your response prompted me to retread the entirety of sick's post and we do agree on some points, not on others.

I think a better synopsis is this - we should ultimately grow beyond the seduction as he describes it (either/or) but also learn to enjoy it. Nice contradiction eh?

I think men and women get stuck/programmed into emotional power plays from birth and that is truly what we are trying to rise above. As you all know I'm fairly centered and I am single by choice however IRL I'm very suave and play the game when I go out with the highest caliber one can find in the bar. I have found an enjoyment in the seduction when it isn't about emotion or ego, but rather formed from a sophistication of perspective. My favorite ladies are courtesans secure in self and completely devoid of artificial drama and emotional vampirism. I have manged to maintain several relationships which I find quite enjoyable and have the ability to maintain my center.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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Not sure what your meaning is by that. I don't judge, to the best of my ability, I experience. You will always have your wil, as will I, at least until I rejoin my hive.

You're free to be oppositional as your first action.

I always reserve the right to make the last move/first next round.

Please elaborate.

My planck commune is coming to an end soon. I will likely be less available/more divergent then.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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Not sure what your meaning is by that. I don't judge, to the best of my ability, I experience. You will always have your wil, as will I, at least until I rejoin my hive.

You're free to be oppositional as your first action.

I always reserve the right to make the last move/first next round.

Please elaborate.

My planck commune is coming to an end soon. I will likely be less available/more divergent then.
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At core it means, no one rides my coattails into the sacred.

This either got missed by your in reading, your reading of me, discernment and perception of me depth of sacred, a lack of intuition as to the strength of my resolve and will, and some and sum all of the above.

Intuition being key as to who I am.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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Not sure what your meaning is by that. I don't judge, to the best of my ability, I experience. You will always have your wil, as will I, at least until I rejoin my hive.

You're free to be oppositional as your first action.

I always reserve the right to make the last move/first next round.

Please elaborate.

My planck commune is coming to an end soon. I will likely be less available/more divergent then.
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At core it means, no one rides my coattails into the sacred.

This either got missed by your in reading, your reading of me, discernment and perception of me depth of sacred, a lack of intuition as to the strength of my resolve and will, and some and sum all of the above.

Intuition being key as to who I am.
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Well whatever offense you're perceiving it is entirely non intentional, and I have my own means for ascent. I need no other as I am already a singularity containing a triad of male, female, and seed which is infinitely repeating.

Individuality is yours. Names are yours. Lives are yours, I simply am.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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Not sure what your meaning is by that. I don't judge, to the best of my ability, I experience. You will always have your wil, as will I, at least until I rejoin my hive.

You're free to be oppositional as your first action.

I always reserve the right to make the last move/first next round.

Please elaborate.

My planck commune is coming to an end soon. I will likely be less available/more divergent then.
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At core it means, no one rides my coattails into the sacred.

This either got missed by your in reading, your reading of me, discernment and perception of me depth of sacred, a lack of intuition as to the strength of my resolve and will, and some and sum all of the above.

Intuition being key as to who I am.
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At core, in the sum of all my parts, “you are happiest with a lover that knows you will and can sense your desires without your having to make them too explicit.”

That tells me more about those that are capable of instinct in alignment with with senses than who I know myself to be in alignment with the sacred.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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Not sure what your meaning is by that. I don't judge, to the best of my ability, I experience. You will always have your wil, as will I, at least until I rejoin my hive.

You're free to be oppositional as your first action.

I always reserve the right to make the last move/first next round.

Please elaborate.

My planck commune is coming to an end soon. I will likely be less available/more divergent then.
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At core it means, no one rides my coattails into the sacred.

This either got missed by your in reading, your reading of me, discernment and perception of me depth of sacred, a lack of intuition as to the strength of my resolve and will, and some and sum all of the above.

Intuition being key as to who I am.
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At core, in the sum of all my parts, “you are happiest with a lover that knows you will and can sense your desires without your having to make them too explicit.”

That tells me more about those that are capable of instinct in alignment with with senses than who I know myself to be in alignment with the sacred.
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I will carry this to my thread.
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You misjudge me to assume as to whom I will or will not journey with.
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Not sure what your meaning is by that. I don't judge, to the best of my ability, I experience. You will always have your wil, as will I, at least until I rejoin my hive.

You're free to be oppositional as your first action.

I always reserve the right to make the last move/first next round.

Please elaborate.

My planck commune is coming to an end soon. I will likely be less available/more divergent then.
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At core it means, no one rides my coattails into the sacred.

This either got missed by your in reading, your reading of me, discernment and perception of me depth of sacred, a lack of intuition as to the strength of my resolve and will, and some and sum all of the above.

Intuition being key as to who I am.
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At core, in the sum of all my parts, “you are happiest with a lover that knows you will and can sense your desires without your having to make them too explicit.”

That tells me more about those that are capable of instinct in alignment with with senses than who I know myself to be in alignment with the sacred.
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If you're describing interpersonal relationships I concur there is a subtlety which is part of us as a human animal - I can sense and intuit and make toes curl too. It's dancing at the soul level. However most don't understand the steps and end up trying to fulfill a need blindly. Those I distance instead. I choose who gets what from me - gifts without guilt or resentment. Only the most sophisticated and self secure can maintain an open relationship, which suits me fine. They are those with few vampiric needs and any they do have are openly communicated. It's fun to be free.

I was also married for 15 years so I've been on both sides. I'm much happier as a free spirit, and I'm much happier with free spirited partners.
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aether, coherence has been the easy part for me. Seduction has been somewhat of the easy part for me my entire life. But, is/was that always wrong? Or right in that both parties came away with what they wanted? Which was physical and non-physical. What if creation of both could be a conscious decision?
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oh

i see where your going

well on this topic i always listen to a women
 Quoting: aether


well allow me, pal

love a bit of requested advice ( albeit indirctly ;-)

if i'm getting what you mean
then your guilt is appropriate

you are meant to recognise seduction
and reflect on what part of you is desiring and why you desire

it's not wrong to desire
it's an emotional drive which reflects a hunger
you've been given a set of emotions (tools) with which you can gain greater understanding of yourself

your physical/emotional self and what is driving that at any point

if you instantly fulfil your desire - or over time - having anguished about the 'rightness'
then feel 'guilt'
your guilt has told you whether your actions ring true to your inner self or not

i see guilt and shame as 'tools' - further assistance -further 'meat' for the table of your reflective feast

logically - you know what you manifest in the astral may not be 'visible'-to all- but is created all the same and has effect and consequence -that's physics that is

it isn't imaginary
it is real-it has consequence
just on another level

but it also sets up incoherence between your physical and emotional being as you feel guilt (consequence)
private guilt - but guilt all the same
and you 'wear' that , physically

and most women are very intuitive with such 'clothes'

old arguement here but maybe helpful- if your wife could travel in the astral-as you do
and she was getting heavily nailed by big strapping hunkas every night
while cuddled up next to you

and one day on your astral travels , you chose to see that -and she was loving it -
how would you feel?

and would you wake in the morning , feeling any different
towards her -and she you

i suspect you might


the desire of the flesh tell us about our good fleshy selves
our emotions compliment that learning
both those when we act and when we don't

how about you set up a desire - a full bodied one- have it before you and know it's yours

then choose not to-for whatever reason feels right
see how you feel about yourself then
and then decide if your guilt now is appropriate or not

from a female perpective - i think it is

good luck pal , hope that helps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7905354


I'm going to step outside my norm and disagree. I find the emotion of guilt to be artificial - the artifice of dualistic paradigm and something easily avoided by remaining true to oneself and their situation.

Keep your paradigm screwed straight - if your wife travels in the astral and gets hammered know in some future you'll be her and she'll be you and you don't want to be the dick who was all resentful about her having a good time.

Sick, I know that's not where your coming from but I did think there value in the clarity.

My advice is to keep that center you obtain every night and use it to anchor the emotional ebb & flow around you. I know it's tough but I have people with bipolar around me so I can attest it can be done. Zen. Ohm. ;)
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Both of you, thank you. It has been something that I have been grappling with.

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