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Edge of Solar System Filled with Bubbles, NASA Says
06 June 2011

The edge of our solar system is filled with a turbulent sea of magnetic bubbles, according to new NASA research.

Scientists made the discovery by using a new computer model, which is based on data from NASA's twin Voyager probes. The unmanned Voyager 1 and Voyager 2, which launched in 1977, are plying the outer reaches of our solar system, a region known as the heliosheath.
[link to www.space.com]

"the concept of magnetic bubbles seems like a childs view of Voyagers data. Great, I think children see the world more clearly. This mind set has me wondering as to what a photon “cloud” would look like.
Are clouds not cells of water?
Don’t plasma and water behave similarly?
Have I wandered to far off the path?
Can I get directions from the Electric Universe community?
Is it agreed photons are real or are they dreamed up along with math equations?"


"if electrons excite to eject a photon
what's all the excitement about"


1rof1 clever

what`s the cause of the excitement

charge (electricity)
 Quoting: aether


"The Sun is embedded in the Local Fluff?

The solar wind is described as a "vast stream of ions". But they are just talking about plasma, right? Nothing to see here. Okay...

Interstellar cloud is the generic name given to an accumulation of gas, plasma and dust in our and other galaxies.

A photon cloud is science fiction?

But it is derived from an observed phenomenon?

If our region of space were becoming more electrically active, who will herald the news.

NASA can't even use the term plasma.


Wish I could apologize for being so blonde, but all this information is scattered
"

1rof1

true rockon
 Quoting: aether


so lets take that a little further with 21st century word sequences of understandable nature

The same "vacuum of free space" defined, in "science", as “primordial” energy. What obfuscates the understanding,is the constancy of saying that 'energy' resides *IN* space steming from the idea or notion that space is "empty."

It isn't.

This stems from the inability of being able to actually, and physically, 'see' the energy that constitues what is called "space."

It is energetic.

That is why you have it ("space") quantified as “primordial” or "potential" energy.

Where do electrical engineers consider "electrical potental" to reside? *IN* - "space."

Well, 'what' is the nature of "space" that it apparently has qualities like that of a dielectric able to 'hold' or 'store' "charge?"

"Electric potential" and/or the energy of the "vacuum" doesn't reside *IN* "space"; it is instead an aspect *OF* "space" aka the "vacuum", "vacuum fluctuations", "scalar fields", "vacuum energy density", "electric fields", "magnetic fields" et etc. "Space" is not "empty."

It simply does not present the electromagnetic 'references'
one normally equates with 'matter' or 'substance.'

Every probe and/or instrument merely serves the purpose of 'extending' the limited 'range' of our ability to perceive the 'spectrum' of 'energy' (the EM Spectrum). For some unusual reason it appears as if the impression is that the totallity of such things have been resolved.

Well, it hasn't.

Coupled with the fact that "fields" are left as a given, they are never explained as to what they are i.e. what constitues their nature - because no one seems to want to deal with the issue that you have 'energy' supposedly being able to 'reside' *in* 'nothing.'

now that to me doesn`t seem difficult to get your head around

but to an institution wishing to prove gravity does everything we observe

it fucks with their minds rockon

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Divine Charge plus Divine Field equals Divine Spin

Divine Spin is the electro magnetic universe.....

The Electro Magnetic Universe shall be increasing it's influence on the Earth.

Edmond loving your post......

Favorite Edmond Dante Quote: I don't believe in God...That's OK, he believes in you...
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wow anthropic

memories

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glad you are well hugs
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"nasa's a huge bureaucracy, and as with all such organizations the left hand often doesn't know what the right hand is doing (which can work to your advantage if you know how to stay under the radar)...for example, does anyone else see the irony of using ion propulsion technology to get out and look at something, but then not being able to use the underlying concept of that technology to help explain what you're looking at?"
[link to www.nasa.gov]

1rof1
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"Agreed. The Ion Thruster group are amongst those Engineers that Don Scott refers to who extend an open invitation to 'knock on the door', or simply walk, 'across the hall' because 'we have something to show you that might be applicable to what you're looking at in through your telescopes.'

The 'disconnect' still amazes me."

The Electric Sky
A Challenge to the Myths of Modern Astronomy
by
Donald E. Scott
[link to www.electric-cosmos.org]

it`s nuts rockon
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Great Architect of the Universe

The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists.

As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent whatever Supreme Being to which each member individually holds in adherence.

It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

The concept of the Demiurge as a grand architect or a great architect also occurs in gnosticism and other religious and philosophical systems.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well that`s interesting

the supreme affect of effects

i`ve heard that before somewhere

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Great Architect of the Universe

The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists.

As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent whatever Supreme Being to which each member individually holds in adherence.

It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

The concept of the Demiurge as a grand architect or a great architect also occurs in gnosticism and other religious and philosophical systems.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well that`s interesting

the supreme affect of effects

i`ve heard that before somewhere
 Quoting: aether


yes

Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.

The word derives from the Ancient Greek: pan meaning "all" and theos meaning "God".

As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.

Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything)

While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe.


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Great Architect of the Universe

The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists.

As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent whatever Supreme Being to which each member individually holds in adherence.

It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

The concept of the Demiurge as a grand architect or a great architect also occurs in gnosticism and other religious and philosophical systems.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well that`s interesting

the supreme affect of effects

i`ve heard that before somewhere
 Quoting: aether


yes

Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.

The word derives from the Ancient Greek: pan meaning "all" and theos meaning "God".

As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.

Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything)

While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe.

 Quoting: aether


Similar concepts in other religious traditions

Taoism
Taoism is pantheistic at least in the writings of its leading thinkers Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, although it later developed into a folk religion with many deities.

Hinduism
It is generally asserted that Hindu religious texts are the oldest known literature that contains Pantheistic ideas. In Hindu theology,

Other religions

There are many elements of pantheism in some forms of Buddhism, Neopaganism, and Theosophy as well as in several tendencies in the major theistic religions. (Gaia and the Church of All Worlds.)

Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

The Islamic religious tradition, in particular Sufism and Alevism has a strong belief in the unitary nature of the universe and the concept that everything in it is an aspect of God itself, although this perspective leans closer to panentheism and may also be termed Theopanism.

Many traditional and folk religions including African traditional religions and Native American religions can be seen as pantheistic, or a mixture of pantheism and other doctrines such as polytheism and animism.


so between the great architect and pantheism we have within EVERY every belief a common emotion

which must be the reason they talk as one when spoken to within communication that reflects their emotion rockon
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Great Architect of the Universe

The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists.

As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent whatever Supreme Being to which each member individually holds in adherence.

It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

The concept of the Demiurge as a grand architect or a great architect also occurs in gnosticism and other religious and philosophical systems.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well that`s interesting

the supreme affect of effects

i`ve heard that before somewhere
 Quoting: aether


yes

Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.

The word derives from the Ancient Greek: pan meaning "all" and theos meaning "God".

As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.

Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything)

While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe.

 Quoting: aether


Similar concepts in other religious traditions

Taoism
Taoism is pantheistic at least in the writings of its leading thinkers Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, although it later developed into a folk religion with many deities.

Hinduism
It is generally asserted that Hindu religious texts are the oldest known literature that contains Pantheistic ideas. In Hindu theology,

Other religions

There are many elements of pantheism in some forms of Buddhism, Neopaganism, and Theosophy as well as in several tendencies in the major theistic religions. (Gaia and the Church of All Worlds.)

Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

The Islamic religious tradition, in particular Sufism and Alevism has a strong belief in the unitary nature of the universe and the concept that everything in it is an aspect of God itself, although this perspective leans closer to panentheism and may also be termed Theopanism.

Many traditional and folk religions including African traditional religions and Native American religions can be seen as pantheistic, or a mixture of pantheism and other doctrines such as polytheism and animism.


so between the great architect and pantheism we have within EVERY every belief a common emotion

which must be the reason they talk as one when spoken to within communication that reflects their emotion rockon
 Quoting: aether


Christianity

The concept of God as the (Great) Architect of the Universe has been employed many times in Christianity. Illustrations of God as the architect of the universe can be found on Bibles from the Middle Ages

Freemasonry

Masonic historians such as William Bissey, Gary Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia), and S. Brent Morris, assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity".

Hermeticism

The Great Architect may also be a metaphor alluding to the godhead potentiality of every individual. "(God)... That invisible power which all know does exist, but understood by many different names, such as God, Spirit, Supreme Being, Intelligence, Mind, Energy, Nature and so forth."

Rosicrucianism

In Heindel's exposition, the Great Architect of the Universe is the Supreme Being, who proceeds from The Absolute, at the dawn of manifestation

Gnosticism

The concept of the Great Architect of the Universe occurs in Gnosticism.
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Great Architect of the Universe

The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists.

As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent whatever Supreme Being to which each member individually holds in adherence.

It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

The concept of the Demiurge as a grand architect or a great architect also occurs in gnosticism and other religious and philosophical systems.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

well that`s interesting

the supreme affect of effects

i`ve heard that before somewhere
 Quoting: aether


yes

Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.

The word derives from the Ancient Greek: pan meaning "all" and theos meaning "God".

As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.

Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything)

While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe.

 Quoting: aether


Similar concepts in other religious traditions

Taoism
Taoism is pantheistic at least in the writings of its leading thinkers Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, although it later developed into a folk religion with many deities.

Hinduism
It is generally asserted that Hindu religious texts are the oldest known literature that contains Pantheistic ideas. In Hindu theology,

Other religions

There are many elements of pantheism in some forms of Buddhism, Neopaganism, and Theosophy as well as in several tendencies in the major theistic religions. (Gaia and the Church of All Worlds.)

Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

The Islamic religious tradition, in particular Sufism and Alevism has a strong belief in the unitary nature of the universe and the concept that everything in it is an aspect of God itself, although this perspective leans closer to panentheism and may also be termed Theopanism.

Many traditional and folk religions including African traditional religions and Native American religions can be seen as pantheistic, or a mixture of pantheism and other doctrines such as polytheism and animism.


so between the great architect and pantheism we have within EVERY every belief a common emotion

which must be the reason they talk as one when spoken to within communication that reflects their emotion rockon
 Quoting: aether


Christianity

The concept of God as the (Great) Architect of the Universe has been employed many times in Christianity. Illustrations of God as the architect of the universe can be found on Bibles from the Middle Ages

Freemasonry

Masonic historians such as William Bissey, Gary Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia), and S. Brent Morris, assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity".

Hermeticism

The Great Architect may also be a metaphor alluding to the godhead potentiality of every individual. "(God)... That invisible power which all know does exist, but understood by many different names, such as God, Spirit, Supreme Being, Intelligence, Mind, Energy, Nature and so forth."

Rosicrucianism

In Heindel's exposition, the Great Architect of the Universe is the Supreme Being, who proceeds from The Absolute, at the dawn of manifestation

Gnosticism

The concept of the Great Architect of the Universe occurs in Gnosticism.

 Quoting: aether


funny how this flows rockon

Demiurge

The demiurge is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe.


The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics.

Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not quite the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense; both the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system.

Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme

Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality.

Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to the problem of evil.


The devil

Opinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world

Cathars

Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

dear oh dear

this is where the conflict comes from

sigh

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yes

Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.

The word derives from the Ancient Greek: pan meaning "all" and theos meaning "God".

As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.

Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything)

While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe.

 Quoting: aether


Similar concepts in other religious traditions

Taoism
Taoism is pantheistic at least in the writings of its leading thinkers Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, although it later developed into a folk religion with many deities.

Hinduism
It is generally asserted that Hindu religious texts are the oldest known literature that contains Pantheistic ideas. In Hindu theology,

Other religions

There are many elements of pantheism in some forms of Buddhism, Neopaganism, and Theosophy as well as in several tendencies in the major theistic religions. (Gaia and the Church of All Worlds.)

Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

The Islamic religious tradition, in particular Sufism and Alevism has a strong belief in the unitary nature of the universe and the concept that everything in it is an aspect of God itself, although this perspective leans closer to panentheism and may also be termed Theopanism.

Many traditional and folk religions including African traditional religions and Native American religions can be seen as pantheistic, or a mixture of pantheism and other doctrines such as polytheism and animism.


so between the great architect and pantheism we have within EVERY every belief a common emotion

which must be the reason they talk as one when spoken to within communication that reflects their emotion rockon
 Quoting: aether


Christianity

The concept of God as the (Great) Architect of the Universe has been employed many times in Christianity. Illustrations of God as the architect of the universe can be found on Bibles from the Middle Ages

Freemasonry

Masonic historians such as William Bissey, Gary Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia), and S. Brent Morris, assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity".

Hermeticism

The Great Architect may also be a metaphor alluding to the godhead potentiality of every individual. "(God)... That invisible power which all know does exist, but understood by many different names, such as God, Spirit, Supreme Being, Intelligence, Mind, Energy, Nature and so forth."

Rosicrucianism

In Heindel's exposition, the Great Architect of the Universe is the Supreme Being, who proceeds from The Absolute, at the dawn of manifestation

Gnosticism

The concept of the Great Architect of the Universe occurs in Gnosticism.

 Quoting: aether


funny how this flows rockon

Demiurge

The demiurge is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe.


The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics.

Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not quite the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense; both the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system.

Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme

Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality.

Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to the problem of evil.


The devil

Opinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world

Cathars

Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

dear oh dear

this is where the conflict comes from

sigh
 Quoting: aether


Angels

Psalms 82:1 describes a plurality of gods , which an older version in the Septuagint calls the “assembly of the gods,” although it does not indicate that these gods were co-actors in creation.

Philo had inferred from the expression, "Let us make man," of Genesis that God had used other beings as assistants in the creation of man, and he explains in this way why man is capable of vice as well as virtue, ascribing the origin of the latter to God, of the former to His helpers in the work of creation.


The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis.


So Irenaeus tells of the system of Simon Magus, ] of the system of Menander, of the system of Saturninus, in which the number of these angels is reckoned as seven, and of the system of Carpocrates.

Again, in his report of the system of Basilides,
we are told that our world was made by the angels who occupy the lowest heaven; but special mention is made of their chief, who is said to have been the God of the Jews, to have led that people out of the land of Egypt, and to have given them their law.

The prophecies are ascribed not to the chief but to the other world-making angels.

The Latin translation, confirmed by Hippolytus,
makes Irenaeus state that according to Cerinthus (who shows Ebionite influence), creation was made by a power quite separate from the Supreme God and ignorant of Him.

Theodoret, who here copies Irenaeus, turns this into the plural number “powers,” and so Epiphanius represents Cerinthus as agreeing with Carpocrates in the doctrine that the world was made by angels.
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Similar concepts in other religious traditions

Taoism
Taoism is pantheistic at least in the writings of its leading thinkers Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, although it later developed into a folk religion with many deities.

Hinduism
It is generally asserted that Hindu religious texts are the oldest known literature that contains Pantheistic ideas. In Hindu theology,

Other religions

There are many elements of pantheism in some forms of Buddhism, Neopaganism, and Theosophy as well as in several tendencies in the major theistic religions. (Gaia and the Church of All Worlds.)

Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

The Islamic religious tradition, in particular Sufism and Alevism has a strong belief in the unitary nature of the universe and the concept that everything in it is an aspect of God itself, although this perspective leans closer to panentheism and may also be termed Theopanism.

Many traditional and folk religions including African traditional religions and Native American religions can be seen as pantheistic, or a mixture of pantheism and other doctrines such as polytheism and animism.


so between the great architect and pantheism we have within EVERY every belief a common emotion

which must be the reason they talk as one when spoken to within communication that reflects their emotion rockon
 Quoting: aether


Christianity

The concept of God as the (Great) Architect of the Universe has been employed many times in Christianity. Illustrations of God as the architect of the universe can be found on Bibles from the Middle Ages

Freemasonry

Masonic historians such as William Bissey, Gary Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia), and S. Brent Morris, assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity".

Hermeticism

The Great Architect may also be a metaphor alluding to the godhead potentiality of every individual. "(God)... That invisible power which all know does exist, but understood by many different names, such as God, Spirit, Supreme Being, Intelligence, Mind, Energy, Nature and so forth."

Rosicrucianism

In Heindel's exposition, the Great Architect of the Universe is the Supreme Being, who proceeds from The Absolute, at the dawn of manifestation

Gnosticism

The concept of the Great Architect of the Universe occurs in Gnosticism.

 Quoting: aether


funny how this flows rockon

Demiurge

The demiurge is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe.


The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics.

Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not quite the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense; both the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system.

Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme

Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality.

Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to the problem of evil.


The devil

Opinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world

Cathars

Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism.


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dear oh dear

this is where the conflict comes from

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Angels

Psalms 82:1 describes a plurality of gods , which an older version in the Septuagint calls the “assembly of the gods,” although it does not indicate that these gods were co-actors in creation.

Philo had inferred from the expression, "Let us make man," of Genesis that God had used other beings as assistants in the creation of man, and he explains in this way why man is capable of vice as well as virtue, ascribing the origin of the latter to God, of the former to His helpers in the work of creation.


The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis.


So Irenaeus tells of the system of Simon Magus, ] of the system of Menander, of the system of Saturninus, in which the number of these angels is reckoned as seven, and of the system of Carpocrates.

Again, in his report of the system of Basilides,
we are told that our world was made by the angels who occupy the lowest heaven; but special mention is made of their chief, who is said to have been the God of the Jews, to have led that people out of the land of Egypt, and to have given them their law.

The prophecies are ascribed not to the chief but to the other world-making angels.

The Latin translation, confirmed by Hippolytus,
makes Irenaeus state that according to Cerinthus (who shows Ebionite influence), creation was made by a power quite separate from the Supreme God and ignorant of Him.

Theodoret, who here copies Irenaeus, turns this into the plural number “powers,” and so Epiphanius represents Cerinthus as agreeing with Carpocrates in the doctrine that the world was made by angels.

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thanks for that everybody rockon
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Found you this morning!
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Found you this morning!
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good rockon

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hmmm rockon

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i detect the difference
experience emotions of a subtle fuller texture
go with this flow never know woe
hmm
requires our fields immersed within it`s tone

maybe

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well that`s weird
glp bot`s are treating what i write as copyright song lyrics

nuts lmao

hard edge goes even when the lyrics bite
it`s different
i like it rockon
allows experience of emotional subjects via pleasing emotional
sensation
you experience "unappealing" topics without the requirement to "tense" yourself hence allowing deeper awareness of what it may be that emotionally conflicts with you
yes, particularly in resolving emotional issues that would normally be beyond resolution because the emotional anguish experienced prohibits the attempt

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yes

Pantheism

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god.

The word derives from the Ancient Greek: pan meaning "all" and theos meaning "God".

As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.

Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
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panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything)

While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe.

 Quoting: aether


Similar concepts in other religious traditions

Taoism
Taoism is pantheistic at least in the writings of its leading thinkers Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, although it later developed into a folk religion with many deities.

Hinduism
It is generally asserted that Hindu religious texts are the oldest known literature that contains Pantheistic ideas. In Hindu theology,

Other religions

There are many elements of pantheism in some forms of Buddhism, Neopaganism, and Theosophy as well as in several tendencies in the major theistic religions. (Gaia and the Church of All Worlds.)

Many Unitarian Universalists consider themselves pantheists.

The Islamic religious tradition, in particular Sufism and Alevism has a strong belief in the unitary nature of the universe and the concept that everything in it is an aspect of God itself, although this perspective leans closer to panentheism and may also be termed Theopanism.

Many traditional and folk religions including African traditional religions and Native American religions can be seen as pantheistic, or a mixture of pantheism and other doctrines such as polytheism and animism.


so between the great architect and pantheism we have within EVERY every belief a common emotion

which must be the reason they talk as one when spoken to within communication that reflects their emotion rockon
 Quoting: aether


Christianity

The concept of God as the (Great) Architect of the Universe has been employed many times in Christianity. Illustrations of God as the architect of the universe can be found on Bibles from the Middle Ages

Freemasonry

Masonic historians such as William Bissey, Gary Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia), and S. Brent Morris, assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity".

Hermeticism

The Great Architect may also be a metaphor alluding to the godhead potentiality of every individual. "(God)... That invisible power which all know does exist, but understood by many different names, such as God, Spirit, Supreme Being, Intelligence, Mind, Energy, Nature and so forth."

Rosicrucianism

In Heindel's exposition, the Great Architect of the Universe is the Supreme Being, who proceeds from The Absolute, at the dawn of manifestation

Gnosticism

The concept of the Great Architect of the Universe occurs in Gnosticism.

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funny how this flows rockon

Demiurge

The demiurge is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe.


The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics.

Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not quite the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense; both the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system.

Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme

Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality.

Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to the problem of evil.


The devil

Opinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world

Cathars

Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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i know why rockon
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Gnosticism

Gnosticism "learned", from Greek: knowledge) is a scholarly term for a set of elements of religious belief common to early Christianity, Hellenistic Judaism, Greco-Roman mystery religions, Zoroastrianism (especially Zurvanism), and Neoplatonism.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions


Zoroastrianism emerged out of a common prehistoric Indo-Iranian religious system dating back to the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to Zoroastrian tradition, Zoroaster was a reformer who exalted the deity of Wisdom, Ahura Mazda, to the status of Supreme Being and Creator, while demoting various other deities and rejecting certain rituals.

At the age of 30, Zoroaster received a revelation. While Zoroaster was fetching water from dawn for a sacred ritual, he saw the shining figure of the yazata, Vohu Manah who led Zoroaster to the presence of Ahura Mazda, where he was taught the cardinal principles of the Good Religion. As a result of this vision, Zoroaster felt that he was chosen to spread and preach the religion

The Indo-Iranian language group constitutes the easternmost extant branch of the Indo-European family of languages. It consists of three language groups: the Indo-Aryan, Iranian and Nuristani.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. It is attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.

The separation of Indo-Aryans proper from the undifferentiated Proto-Indo-Iranian ancestor group is commonly dated, on linguistic grounds, to roughly 1800 BCE

Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE. Scholars debate the degree to which Hebrew was a spoken vernacular in ancient times following the Babylonian exile, when the predominant language in the region was Old Aramaic.

Biblical Hebrew, also called Classical Hebrew, is the archaic form of the Hebrew language, spoken by the Hebrews/Israelites. The most notable text in Biblical Hebrew is the Hebrew Bible; in addition, various Israelite inscriptions have also been found. The language is attested from the 10th century BCE to the late Second Temple period, after which the language developed into Mishnaic Hebrew.

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Gnosticism

Gnosticism "learned", from Greek: knowledge) is a scholarly term for a set of elements of religious belief common to early Christianity, Hellenistic Judaism, Greco-Roman mystery religions, Zoroastrianism (especially Zurvanism), and Neoplatonism.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions


Zoroastrianism emerged out of a common prehistoric Indo-Iranian religious system dating back to the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to Zoroastrian tradition, Zoroaster was a reformer who exalted the deity of Wisdom, Ahura Mazda, to the status of Supreme Being and Creator, while demoting various other deities and rejecting certain rituals.

At the age of 30, Zoroaster received a revelation. While Zoroaster was fetching water from dawn for a sacred ritual, he saw the shining figure of the yazata, Vohu Manah who led Zoroaster to the presence of Ahura Mazda, where he was taught the cardinal principles of the Good Religion. As a result of this vision, Zoroaster felt that he was chosen to spread and preach the religion

The Indo-Iranian language group constitutes the easternmost extant branch of the Indo-European family of languages. It consists of three language groups: the Indo-Aryan, Iranian and Nuristani.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. It is attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.

The separation of Indo-Aryans proper from the undifferentiated Proto-Indo-Iranian ancestor group is commonly dated, on linguistic grounds, to roughly 1800 BCE

Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE. Scholars debate the degree to which Hebrew was a spoken vernacular in ancient times following the Babylonian exile, when the predominant language in the region was Old Aramaic.

Biblical Hebrew, also called Classical Hebrew, is the archaic form of the Hebrew language, spoken by the Hebrews/Israelites. The most notable text in Biblical Hebrew is the Hebrew Bible; in addition, various Israelite inscriptions have also been found. The language is attested from the 10th century BCE to the late Second Temple period, after which the language developed into Mishnaic Hebrew.

dear oh dear

what a mess

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The languages of India belong to several language families, the major ones being the Indo-European languages—Indo-Aryan (spoken by 72% of Indians) and the Dravidian languages (spoken by 25% of Indians)

Vedic Sanskrit has a number of linguistic features which are alien to most other Indo-European languages.

Language of the BMAC

Terms borrowed from an otherwise unknown language include those relating to cereal-growing and bread-making (bread, ploughshare, seed, sheaf, yeast), water-works (canal, well), architecture (brick, house, pillar, wooden peg), tools or weapons (axe, club), textiles and garments (cloak, cloth, coarse garment, hem, needle) and plants (hemp, cannabis, mustard, Soma plant)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Gnosticism

Gnosticism "learned", from Greek: knowledge) is a scholarly term for a set of elements of religious belief common to early Christianity, Hellenistic Judaism, Greco-Roman mystery religions, Zoroastrianism (especially Zurvanism), and Neoplatonism.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions


Zoroastrianism emerged out of a common prehistoric Indo-Iranian religious system dating back to the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to Zoroastrian tradition, Zoroaster was a reformer who exalted the deity of Wisdom, Ahura Mazda, to the status of Supreme Being and Creator, while demoting various other deities and rejecting certain rituals.

At the age of 30, Zoroaster received a revelation. While Zoroaster was fetching water from dawn for a sacred ritual, he saw the shining figure of the yazata, Vohu Manah who led Zoroaster to the presence of Ahura Mazda, where he was taught the cardinal principles of the Good Religion. As a result of this vision, Zoroaster felt that he was chosen to spread and preach the religion

The Indo-Iranian language group constitutes the easternmost extant branch of the Indo-European family of languages. It consists of three language groups: the Indo-Aryan, Iranian and Nuristani.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. It is attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.

The separation of Indo-Aryans proper from the undifferentiated Proto-Indo-Iranian ancestor group is commonly dated, on linguistic grounds, to roughly 1800 BCE

Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE. Scholars debate the degree to which Hebrew was a spoken vernacular in ancient times following the Babylonian exile, when the predominant language in the region was Old Aramaic.

Biblical Hebrew, also called Classical Hebrew, is the archaic form of the Hebrew language, spoken by the Hebrews/Israelites. The most notable text in Biblical Hebrew is the Hebrew Bible; in addition, various Israelite inscriptions have also been found. The language is attested from the 10th century BCE to the late Second Temple period, after which the language developed into Mishnaic Hebrew.

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 Quoting: aether


The languages of India belong to several language families, the major ones being the Indo-European languages—Indo-Aryan (spoken by 72% of Indians) and the Dravidian languages (spoken by 25% of Indians)

Vedic Sanskrit has a number of linguistic features which are alien to most other Indo-European languages.

Language of the BMAC

Terms borrowed from an otherwise unknown language include those relating to cereal-growing and bread-making (bread, ploughshare, seed, sheaf, yeast), water-works (canal, well), architecture (brick, house, pillar, wooden peg), tools or weapons (axe, club), textiles and garments (cloak, cloth, coarse garment, hem, needle) and plants (hemp, cannabis, mustard, Soma plant)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Historical Vedic religion

The religion of the Vedic period (also known as Vedism or Vedic Brahmanism or, in a context of Indian antiquity, simply Brahmanism

Elements of Vedic religion reach back to a Proto-Indo-Iranian religion and an earlier Proto-Indo-European religion. The Vedic period is held to have ended around 500 BC

Hinduism, Brahman is the one supreme, universal Spirit that is the origin and support of the phenomenal universe. Brahman is sometimes referred to as the Absolute or Godhead which is the Divine Ground of the primordial Being Hiranyagarbha and all subsequent Creation.


n the early Vedic religion Brahman was the name given to the power that made the sacrifice effective, namely the spiritual power of the sacred utterances pronounced by the vedic priests who were by virtue of this known as brahmins. Connected with the ritual of pre-Vedantic Hinduism, Brahman signified the power to grow, the expansive and self-altering process of ritual and sacrifice, often visually realized in the sputtering of flames as they received the all important ghee (clarified butter) and rose in concert with the mantras of the Vedas.
The Rig Veda says that by desire (RV 10.12.94), the initial manifestation of the material universe came into being from Hiranyagarbha (literally "golden womb"), out of which the world, organisms and divine beings (devas) arose:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

so this is where the hebews got the god bang god from

Hiranyagarbha

Hiranyagarbha literally the 'golden womb' or 'golden egg', poetically rendered 'universal germ') is the source of the creation of the Universe or the manifested cosmos in Indian philosophy

known as the 'Hiranyagarbha sukta' and presents an important glimpse of the emerging monism, or even monotheism, in the later Vedic period, along with the Nasadiya sukta suggesting a single creator deity predating all other gods (verse 8: "He is the God of gods, and none beside him."


Matsya Purana (2.25-30) gives an account of initial creation. After Mahapralaya, the great dissolution of the Universe, there was darkness everywhere. Everything was in a state of sleep. There was nothing, either moving or static. Then Svayambhu, Self-manifested Being arose, which is a form beyond senses. It created the primordial waters first and established the seed of creation into it. The seed turned into a golden womb, Hiranyagarbha. Then Svayambhu entered in the egg, and it is called Vishnu because of entering. Brahmanda Purana (1.4.25) says that it is called as Vishnu because it pervades the whole Universe.

mahapralaya

Total annihilation of the universe at the end of a mahakalpa. It is the absorption of all existence, including time, space and individual consciousness, all the lokas and their inhabitants into God Siva, as the water of a river returns to its source, the sea. Then Siva alone exists in His three perfections, until He again issues forth creation. During this incredibly vast period there are many partial dissolutions, pralayas, when either the Bhuloka or the Bhuloka and the Antarloka are destroyed.

sigh

so the end of our golden age and the planetary catastrophes that continued over thousands of years was assumed to be the end of our universe

they retained awareness of eternal but thought something eternal must end and begin again our material universe

i suppose common sense told them that to do that
remove material whilst existing yourself you must be non material in nature
he presto
you have a non material all powerful god within your imagination to explain your recent material experiences
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Gnosticism "learned", from Greek: knowledge) is a scholarly term for a set of elements of religious belief common to early Christianity, Hellenistic Judaism, Greco-Roman mystery religions, Zoroastrianism (especially Zurvanism), and Neoplatonism.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions


Zoroastrianism emerged out of a common prehistoric Indo-Iranian religious system dating back to the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to Zoroastrian tradition, Zoroaster was a reformer who exalted the deity of Wisdom, Ahura Mazda, to the status of Supreme Being and Creator, while demoting various other deities and rejecting certain rituals.

At the age of 30, Zoroaster received a revelation. While Zoroaster was fetching water from dawn for a sacred ritual, he saw the shining figure of the yazata, Vohu Manah who led Zoroaster to the presence of Ahura Mazda, where he was taught the cardinal principles of the Good Religion. As a result of this vision, Zoroaster felt that he was chosen to spread and preach the religion

The Indo-Iranian language group constitutes the easternmost extant branch of the Indo-European family of languages. It consists of three language groups: the Indo-Aryan, Iranian and Nuristani.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. It is attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.

The separation of Indo-Aryans proper from the undifferentiated Proto-Indo-Iranian ancestor group is commonly dated, on linguistic grounds, to roughly 1800 BCE

Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE. Scholars debate the degree to which Hebrew was a spoken vernacular in ancient times following the Babylonian exile, when the predominant language in the region was Old Aramaic.

Biblical Hebrew, also called Classical Hebrew, is the archaic form of the Hebrew language, spoken by the Hebrews/Israelites. The most notable text in Biblical Hebrew is the Hebrew Bible; in addition, various Israelite inscriptions have also been found. The language is attested from the 10th century BCE to the late Second Temple period, after which the language developed into Mishnaic Hebrew.

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The languages of India belong to several language families, the major ones being the Indo-European languages—Indo-Aryan (spoken by 72% of Indians) and the Dravidian languages (spoken by 25% of Indians)

Vedic Sanskrit has a number of linguistic features which are alien to most other Indo-European languages.

Language of the BMAC

Terms borrowed from an otherwise unknown language include those relating to cereal-growing and bread-making (bread, ploughshare, seed, sheaf, yeast), water-works (canal, well), architecture (brick, house, pillar, wooden peg), tools or weapons (axe, club), textiles and garments (cloak, cloth, coarse garment, hem, needle) and plants (hemp, cannabis, mustard, Soma plant)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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 Quoting: aether


Historical Vedic religion

The religion of the Vedic period (also known as Vedism or Vedic Brahmanism or, in a context of Indian antiquity, simply Brahmanism

Elements of Vedic religion reach back to a Proto-Indo-Iranian religion and an earlier Proto-Indo-European religion. The Vedic period is held to have ended around 500 BC

Hinduism, Brahman is the one supreme, universal Spirit that is the origin and support of the phenomenal universe. Brahman is sometimes referred to as the Absolute or Godhead which is the Divine Ground of the primordial Being Hiranyagarbha and all subsequent Creation.


n the early Vedic religion Brahman was the name given to the power that made the sacrifice effective, namely the spiritual power of the sacred utterances pronounced by the vedic priests who were by virtue of this known as brahmins. Connected with the ritual of pre-Vedantic Hinduism, Brahman signified the power to grow, the expansive and self-altering process of ritual and sacrifice, often visually realized in the sputtering of flames as they received the all important ghee (clarified butter) and rose in concert with the mantras of the Vedas.
The Rig Veda says that by desire (RV 10.12.94), the initial manifestation of the material universe came into being from Hiranyagarbha (literally "golden womb"), out of which the world, organisms and divine beings (devas) arose:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

so this is where the hebews got the god bang god from

Hiranyagarbha

Hiranyagarbha literally the 'golden womb' or 'golden egg', poetically rendered 'universal germ') is the source of the creation of the Universe or the manifested cosmos in Indian philosophy

known as the 'Hiranyagarbha sukta' and presents an important glimpse of the emerging monism, or even monotheism, in the later Vedic period, along with the Nasadiya sukta suggesting a single creator deity predating all other gods (verse 8: "He is the God of gods, and none beside him."


Matsya Purana (2.25-30) gives an account of initial creation. After Mahapralaya, the great dissolution of the Universe, there was darkness everywhere. Everything was in a state of sleep. There was nothing, either moving or static. Then Svayambhu, Self-manifested Being arose, which is a form beyond senses. It created the primordial waters first and established the seed of creation into it. The seed turned into a golden womb, Hiranyagarbha. Then Svayambhu entered in the egg, and it is called Vishnu because of entering. Brahmanda Purana (1.4.25) says that it is called as Vishnu because it pervades the whole Universe.

mahapralaya

Total annihilation of the universe at the end of a mahakalpa. It is the absorption of all existence, including time, space and individual consciousness, all the lokas and their inhabitants into God Siva, as the water of a river returns to its source, the sea. Then Siva alone exists in His three perfections, until He again issues forth creation. During this incredibly vast period there are many partial dissolutions, pralayas, when either the Bhuloka or the Bhuloka and the Antarloka are destroyed.

sigh

so the end of our golden age and the planetary catastrophes that continued over thousands of years was assumed to be the end of our universe

they retained awareness of eternal but thought something eternal must end and begin again our material universe

i suppose common sense told them that to do that
remove material whilst existing yourself you must be non material in nature
he presto
you have a non material all powerful god within your imagination to explain your recent material experiences

 Quoting: aether


so we have the eternal non material god explanation of the end of our golden era derived from memory and translation of awareness from of our ancient ancestors until zoroaster has a revelation

The date of Zoroaster, i.e., the date of composition of the Old Avestan gathas, is unknown. Scholarly mainstream opinion mostly places him near the 11th or 10th century BCE, but dates proposed in scholarly literature diverge widely, between the 18th and 6th centuries BCE

Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed. Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict

The religion states that active participation in life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. This active participation is a central element in Zoroaster's concept of free will, and Zoroastrianism rejects all forms of monasticism. Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation—even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"—will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frasho.kereti), in which the dead will be revived
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Gnosticism

Gnosticism "learned", from Greek: knowledge) is a scholarly term for a set of elements of religious belief common to early Christianity, Hellenistic Judaism, Greco-Roman mystery religions, Zoroastrianism (especially Zurvanism), and Neoplatonism.

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Zoroastrianism

Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions


Zoroastrianism emerged out of a common prehistoric Indo-Iranian religious system dating back to the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to Zoroastrian tradition, Zoroaster was a reformer who exalted the deity of Wisdom, Ahura Mazda, to the status of Supreme Being and Creator, while demoting various other deities and rejecting certain rituals.

At the age of 30, Zoroaster received a revelation. While Zoroaster was fetching water from dawn for a sacred ritual, he saw the shining figure of the yazata, Vohu Manah who led Zoroaster to the presence of Ahura Mazda, where he was taught the cardinal principles of the Good Religion. As a result of this vision, Zoroaster felt that he was chosen to spread and preach the religion

The Indo-Iranian language group constitutes the easternmost extant branch of the Indo-European family of languages. It consists of three language groups: the Indo-Aryan, Iranian and Nuristani.
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The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. It is attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.

The separation of Indo-Aryans proper from the undifferentiated Proto-Indo-Iranian ancestor group is commonly dated, on linguistic grounds, to roughly 1800 BCE

Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE. Scholars debate the degree to which Hebrew was a spoken vernacular in ancient times following the Babylonian exile, when the predominant language in the region was Old Aramaic.

Biblical Hebrew, also called Classical Hebrew, is the archaic form of the Hebrew language, spoken by the Hebrews/Israelites. The most notable text in Biblical Hebrew is the Hebrew Bible; in addition, various Israelite inscriptions have also been found. The language is attested from the 10th century BCE to the late Second Temple period, after which the language developed into Mishnaic Hebrew.

dear oh dear

what a mess

sigh

 Quoting: aether


The languages of India belong to several language families, the major ones being the Indo-European languages—Indo-Aryan (spoken by 72% of Indians) and the Dravidian languages (spoken by 25% of Indians)

Vedic Sanskrit has a number of linguistic features which are alien to most other Indo-European languages.

Language of the BMAC

Terms borrowed from an otherwise unknown language include those relating to cereal-growing and bread-making (bread, ploughshare, seed, sheaf, yeast), water-works (canal, well), architecture (brick, house, pillar, wooden peg), tools or weapons (axe, club), textiles and garments (cloak, cloth, coarse garment, hem, needle) and plants (hemp, cannabis, mustard, Soma plant)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Historical Vedic religion

The religion of the Vedic period (also known as Vedism or Vedic Brahmanism or, in a context of Indian antiquity, simply Brahmanism

Elements of Vedic religion reach back to a Proto-Indo-Iranian religion and an earlier Proto-Indo-European religion. The Vedic period is held to have ended around 500 BC

Hinduism, Brahman is the one supreme, universal Spirit that is the origin and support of the phenomenal universe. Brahman is sometimes referred to as the Absolute or Godhead which is the Divine Ground of the primordial Being Hiranyagarbha and all subsequent Creation.


n the early Vedic religion Brahman was the name given to the power that made the sacrifice effective, namely the spiritual power of the sacred utterances pronounced by the vedic priests who were by virtue of this known as brahmins. Connected with the ritual of pre-Vedantic Hinduism, Brahman signified the power to grow, the expansive and self-altering process of ritual and sacrifice, often visually realized in the sputtering of flames as they received the all important ghee (clarified butter) and rose in concert with the mantras of the Vedas.
The Rig Veda says that by desire (RV 10.12.94), the initial manifestation of the material universe came into being from Hiranyagarbha (literally "golden womb"), out of which the world, organisms and divine beings (devas) arose:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

so this is where the hebews got the god bang god from

Hiranyagarbha

Hiranyagarbha literally the 'golden womb' or 'golden egg', poetically rendered 'universal germ') is the source of the creation of the Universe or the manifested cosmos in Indian philosophy

known as the 'Hiranyagarbha sukta' and presents an important glimpse of the emerging monism, or even monotheism, in the later Vedic period, along with the Nasadiya sukta suggesting a single creator deity predating all other gods (verse 8: "He is the God of gods, and none beside him."


Matsya Purana (2.25-30) gives an account of initial creation. After Mahapralaya, the great dissolution of the Universe, there was darkness everywhere. Everything was in a state of sleep. There was nothing, either moving or static. Then Svayambhu, Self-manifested Being arose, which is a form beyond senses. It created the primordial waters first and established the seed of creation into it. The seed turned into a golden womb, Hiranyagarbha. Then Svayambhu entered in the egg, and it is called Vishnu because of entering. Brahmanda Purana (1.4.25) says that it is called as Vishnu because it pervades the whole Universe.

mahapralaya

Total annihilation of the universe at the end of a mahakalpa. It is the absorption of all existence, including time, space and individual consciousness, all the lokas and their inhabitants into God Siva, as the water of a river returns to its source, the sea. Then Siva alone exists in His three perfections, until He again issues forth creation. During this incredibly vast period there are many partial dissolutions, pralayas, when either the Bhuloka or the Bhuloka and the Antarloka are destroyed.

sigh

so the end of our golden age and the planetary catastrophes that continued over thousands of years was assumed to be the end of our universe

they retained awareness of eternal but thought something eternal must end and begin again our material universe

i suppose common sense told them that to do that
remove material whilst existing yourself you must be non material in nature
he presto
you have a non material all powerful god within your imagination to explain your recent material experiences

 Quoting: aether


so we have the eternal non material god explanation of the end of our golden era derived from memory and translation of awareness from of our ancient ancestors until zoroaster has a revelation

The date of Zoroaster, i.e., the date of composition of the Old Avestan gathas, is unknown. Scholarly mainstream opinion mostly places him near the 11th or 10th century BCE, but dates proposed in scholarly literature diverge widely, between the 18th and 6th centuries BCE

Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed. Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict

The religion states that active participation in life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. This active participation is a central element in Zoroaster's concept of free will, and Zoroastrianism rejects all forms of monasticism. Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation—even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"—will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frasho.kereti), in which the dead will be revived
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does this ring a bell rockon

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The languages of India belong to several language families, the major ones being the Indo-European languages—Indo-Aryan (spoken by 72% of Indians) and the Dravidian languages (spoken by 25% of Indians)

Vedic Sanskrit has a number of linguistic features which are alien to most other Indo-European languages.

Language of the BMAC

Terms borrowed from an otherwise unknown language include those relating to cereal-growing and bread-making (bread, ploughshare, seed, sheaf, yeast), water-works (canal, well), architecture (brick, house, pillar, wooden peg), tools or weapons (axe, club), textiles and garments (cloak, cloth, coarse garment, hem, needle) and plants (hemp, cannabis, mustard, Soma plant)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

sigh
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Historical Vedic religion

The religion of the Vedic period (also known as Vedism or Vedic Brahmanism or, in a context of Indian antiquity, simply Brahmanism

Elements of Vedic religion reach back to a Proto-Indo-Iranian religion and an earlier Proto-Indo-European religion. The Vedic period is held to have ended around 500 BC

Hinduism, Brahman is the one supreme, universal Spirit that is the origin and support of the phenomenal universe. Brahman is sometimes referred to as the Absolute or Godhead which is the Divine Ground of the primordial Being Hiranyagarbha and all subsequent Creation.


n the early Vedic religion Brahman was the name given to the power that made the sacrifice effective, namely the spiritual power of the sacred utterances pronounced by the vedic priests who were by virtue of this known as brahmins. Connected with the ritual of pre-Vedantic Hinduism, Brahman signified the power to grow, the expansive and self-altering process of ritual and sacrifice, often visually realized in the sputtering of flames as they received the all important ghee (clarified butter) and rose in concert with the mantras of the Vedas.
The Rig Veda says that by desire (RV 10.12.94), the initial manifestation of the material universe came into being from Hiranyagarbha (literally "golden womb"), out of which the world, organisms and divine beings (devas) arose:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

so this is where the hebews got the god bang god from

Hiranyagarbha

Hiranyagarbha literally the 'golden womb' or 'golden egg', poetically rendered 'universal germ') is the source of the creation of the Universe or the manifested cosmos in Indian philosophy

known as the 'Hiranyagarbha sukta' and presents an important glimpse of the emerging monism, or even monotheism, in the later Vedic period, along with the Nasadiya sukta suggesting a single creator deity predating all other gods (verse 8: "He is the God of gods, and none beside him."


Matsya Purana (2.25-30) gives an account of initial creation. After Mahapralaya, the great dissolution of the Universe, there was darkness everywhere. Everything was in a state of sleep. There was nothing, either moving or static. Then Svayambhu, Self-manifested Being arose, which is a form beyond senses. It created the primordial waters first and established the seed of creation into it. The seed turned into a golden womb, Hiranyagarbha. Then Svayambhu entered in the egg, and it is called Vishnu because of entering. Brahmanda Purana (1.4.25) says that it is called as Vishnu because it pervades the whole Universe.

mahapralaya

Total annihilation of the universe at the end of a mahakalpa. It is the absorption of all existence, including time, space and individual consciousness, all the lokas and their inhabitants into God Siva, as the water of a river returns to its source, the sea. Then Siva alone exists in His three perfections, until He again issues forth creation. During this incredibly vast period there are many partial dissolutions, pralayas, when either the Bhuloka or the Bhuloka and the Antarloka are destroyed.

sigh

so the end of our golden age and the planetary catastrophes that continued over thousands of years was assumed to be the end of our universe

they retained awareness of eternal but thought something eternal must end and begin again our material universe

i suppose common sense told them that to do that
remove material whilst existing yourself you must be non material in nature
he presto
you have a non material all powerful god within your imagination to explain your recent material experiences

 Quoting: aether


so we have the eternal non material god explanation of the end of our golden era derived from memory and translation of awareness from of our ancient ancestors until zoroaster has a revelation

The date of Zoroaster, i.e., the date of composition of the Old Avestan gathas, is unknown. Scholarly mainstream opinion mostly places him near the 11th or 10th century BCE, but dates proposed in scholarly literature diverge widely, between the 18th and 6th centuries BCE

Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed. Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict

The religion states that active participation in life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. This active participation is a central element in Zoroaster's concept of free will, and Zoroastrianism rejects all forms of monasticism. Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation—even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"—will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frasho.kereti), in which the dead will be revived
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does this ring a bell rockon


Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions

Avestan

is an East Iranian language known only from its use as the language of Zoroastrian scripture, i.e. the Avesta, from which it derives its name. The Yaz culture

The Yaz culture is an early Iron Age culture of Bactria and Margiana (ca. 1500-1100 BC). It has been regarded as a likely archaeological reflection of early East Iranian culture as described in the Avesta.


so our abrahamic faiths derive their inspiration from the vedic and zoroastrianism faiths and the imaginative conflicting concepts those older faiths translated from our ancient ancestors awareness and there is not one spiritual leader within those faiths that is not aware of this
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but in the absence of awareness of what it means
that`s all they have got
so the discoveries of our past 150 years of the nature of our universe for them, our spiritual leaders, they have to find a way to fit it into all that has gone before rockon

is this a good week to be pope 1dunno1

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number is a language to describe things

it`s natural to use it but never expect to discover it in nature outside your own and others imagination

like any language

it is only language





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