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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | feedback Would that be a typical response from a "3 man" someone who walks the bridge already? I was sincere in my question and meant no disrespect. I love for people to contribute in this thread...and ask questions hoping for more information. Quoting: ArunaLunaMy experience with this forum and other posters...is what I was commenting on. And your remark is "stay in your duality"... THAT hardly demonstrates you are what you are alluding to being. Sorry if I took that the wrong way. I'm shit at decoding mystery...can't you tell? Sorry for the echo. My Moms voice can echo in my head sometimes. Just a IMHO and I'm out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1235200you will get used to that, unusual to possess awareness of the echo, least of all it`s identity Quoting: aetheryou will get used to that, unusual to possess awareness of the echoe, least of all it`s identity Quoting: aetherbut in this instance between the 2 of then they got it right: Oh hell...you're about as believable as a woman as a rock is a marshmellow. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. But no...it took me this long to get used to THIS part of you...not sure I want to take a spin with your feminine side just yet. sigh, i just got changed as well oh well, on a positive note the the djed, pillar of power arose in my awareness for the first time tonight look at that if you have not already [link to www.crystallotus.com] seems we have done ALL the right things in the right sequence from the link : When the planetary grid, the Earth's energy system was understood and consciously administrated by High Light beings, the pillar was a sacred powerful instrument in the cosmic regeneration. The raised pillar is the fixed reference point which makes firm the bond between Heaven and Earth, evoking stability at a time of increased Earth changes. The pillar replaces the prospect of Earth changes and geophysical "pole shift" with that of "pole stability." Quoting: historyThe Pillar is being raised again. Because Egypt is at the center of the Earth's land mass, and the place where the Djed/pillar originated that the The Raising of the Djed, is in Egypt. However, every sacred site from Stonehenge to the temples of the east, every gathering, is also the "Center", as is every individual. Re-errecting the pillars today serves well its ancient purpose, for it is the archetype of stability and continuity for the coming transitions. In ancient creation myth, the Pillar was the column of light that separated the union of Earth and Sky, setting them apart and in correct relationship to each other. The dome of the sky overlay the surface of the Earth according to the divine blueprint of creation so that, in the words of Thoth the great Master Initiator of Light, "As above, So below". Over the millenia, we have became governed by our own material creations, and our fundamental connection to the greater whole was lost. Lost, and forgotten into the time. We are now beginning to just remember the importance of our connection with the Earth, and the faintest glimmer of our connection with the heavens. It is coming, it is happening! Through rediscovering the myths of gods, celestial archeytpes, astrology and music. Raising the pillar in ceremony is the enactment of establishing the connection between Earth and Sky, Matter and Spirit. Our conscious reconnection with the wisdom of our true origin, and the rediscovery initiates us into consciousness. because of our changed and changing environment the only echoes that are useful to us are those which experienced what we are experiencing in our environment today echo = memory = non material structure all the echoe`s between us and the ones that do possess awareness have NO awareness of what we are experiencing which is thousands of years of useless for our purpose echo`s this is why: Quoting: aether i`m avoiding remoting this not for any real reason but mega fauna flashed up as i wrote it so i` am going to google it About 250 million years ago the continents were all gathered together into one large continent. We call this land Pangaea, Quoting: aetherthat`s funny Last Edited by aether on 12/26/2011 01:35 PM |
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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because the ones that were aware enough have gone (ascended) and the ones that were not aware enough remain within our close proximity non material dimension a living person with memory of past life here will be aware a non human intelligence will be aware but what else can be aware of useful , practical information the rest will show us what not to believe but they can not by default show us what awareness of practical use for ascension (re born) |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol i am not surprised really because you led to the echo`s and it is my certain belief that our ancestors are aware that our awareness on this topic is as important to them as it is to us because if we don`t get it, they can not thus will never get it Last Edited by aether on 12/26/2011 01:44 PM |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 12/26/2011 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol i am not surprised really because you led to the echo`s and it is my certain belief that our ancestors are aware that our awareness on this topic is as important to them as it is to us because if we don`t get it, they can not thus will never get it Harkens to all my funny sayings of to know that we know that we know. The onion has gone organic. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
A Muse Me User ID: 1492096 United States 12/26/2011 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol i am not surprised really because you led to the echo`s and it is my certain belief that our ancestors are aware that our awareness on this topic is as important to them as it is to us because if we don`t get it, they can not thus will never get it Harkens to all my funny sayings of to know that we know that we know. The onion has gone organic. Oh speaking of. Did you see that the movie is coming out soon of the farmer that won the suit against Monsanto. The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind. |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol i am not surprised really because you led to the echo`s and it is my certain belief that our ancestors are aware that our awareness on this topic is as important to them as it is to us because if we don`t get it, they can not thus will never get it Harkens to all my funny sayings of to know that we know that we know. The onion has gone organic. Oh speaking of. Did you see that the movie is coming out soon of the farmer that won the suit against Monsanto. not yet a really neat part of this amm is i dream t this topic last night in vivid minute detail and i awoke with sensations of goodwill like never before got up, made tea and thought about it for 20 mins or so then went back to bed dream t the topic again to conclusion real people (off line) , real locations, real confrontation by me, real conclusion achieved i did never dream often but in recent weeks i am every night and i`m busy!! |
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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you know i have just discovered a whole new set of religions Religions of the ancient Near East The religions of the ancient Near East were mostly polytheistic, with some early examples of primitive monolatry (Mardukites), Ashurism and Monism (Atenism). Some scholars believe that the similarities between these religions indicate that the religions are related, a belief known as patternism. Quoting: observationEspecially the Luwian pantheon exerted a strong influence on the ancient Greek religion, while Assyro-Babylonian religion influenced Achaemenid-era Zoroastrianism and Judaism. Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Greek traditions in turn strongly influenced Christianity. [link to en.wikipedia.org] and new words Last Edited by aether on 12/26/2011 02:28 PM |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Polytheism is the belief of multiple deities also usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own mythologies and rituals. Quoting: observationMonolatrism or monolatry is the recognition of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent worship of only one deity. Quoting: observationMesopotamian religion refers to the religious beliefs and practices followed by the Sumerian and Akkadian (Assyrian/Babylonian) peoples living in Mesopotamia (around the area of modern Iraq) that dominated the region for a period of 4200 years from the fourth millennium BC to approximately the 3rd century AD. Christianity began to take root among the Mesopotamians in the 1st century AD, and over the next 300 years the native religion largely died out. However, it is known that the god Ashur was still worshipped in Assyria as late as the 4th Century AD and it is rumoured that Ashurism was still practiced by tiny minorities in northern Assyria (around Harran) until the 17th Century AD. Quoting: observationMonism is any philosophical view which holds that there is unity in a given field of inquiry. Accordingly, some philosophers may hold that the universe is one rather than dualistic or pluralistic. Monisms may be theologically syncretic by proposing that there is one God who has many manifestations in the diverse religious traditions. Quoting: observationAtenism, or the Amarna heresy, refers to the religious changes associated with the eighteenth dynasty Pharaoh Amenophis IV, better known under his adopted name, Akhenaten. In the 14th century BC it was Egypt's state religion for around 20 years, before subsequent rulers returned to the traditional gods and the Pharaohs associated with Atenism were erased from Egyptian records. Quoting: observationPatternism is a method of comparing the teachings of the religions of the Ancient Near East whereby the similarities between these religions are assumed to constitute an overarching pattern. Quoting: observationwell there was definitely a great deal of creative thinking within societies of the near east Last Edited by aether on 12/26/2011 02:43 PM |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are broad practices that these religions often hold in common: Quoting: observationPurification and cleansing rituals Sacrifices (plant and animal sacrifice, libations, rarely, but prominently in mythology, human sacrifice) Polytheism (Though Egypt and Greece were Henotheistic societies) State (city-state)–sponsored religions (theocracy) Sacred prostitution Divination Magic (invocations, conjurings and Talismans) Typically, ancient Near Eastern religions were centered around theocracies, with a dominating regional cult of the god of a city-state. There were also super-regional mythemes and deities, such as the God Tammuz and the descent to the underworld. Divinations: Apantomancy: seeing animals Cleromancy: drawing lots Hepatoscopy: observing the liver of an animal Nephomancy: cloud-watching Ornithomancy: watching birds in flight Capnomancy: divination through smoke Oneiromancy: divination through dreams |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Later influence The influence exerted by the Babylonian-Assyrian religion was particularly profound on the Semites, while the astral theology affected the ancient world in general, including the Greeks and Romans. The impetus to the purification of the old Semite religion to which the Hebrews for a long time clung in common with their fellows — the various branches of nomadic Arabs — was largely furnished by the remarkable civilization unfolded in the Euphrates valley and in many of the traditions, myths and legends embodied in the Old Testament; traces of direct adaptation from and responses to Babylonia may be discerned, while the indirect influences in the domain of the prophetical books, as also in the Psalms and in the so-called "wisdom literature", are even more noteworthy. Quoting: observationEven when we reach the New Testament period, we have not passed entirely beyond the sphere of Babylonian-Assyrian influences. In such a movement as early Christian gnosticism, Assyrio-Babylonian elements — modified, to be sure, and transformed — are largely present, while the growth of an apocalyptic literature is ascribed with apparent justice by many scholars to the recrudescence of views, the ultimate source of which is to be found in the astral-theology of the Babylonian and Assyrian Priests. [link to en.wikipedia.org] this is what our authorities desire to be known there is no other explanation Last Edited by aether on 12/26/2011 02:53 PM |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Later influence Quoting: aether The influence exerted by the Babylonian-Assyrian religion was particularly profound on the Semites, while the astral theology affected the ancient world in general, including the Greeks and Romans. The impetus to the purification of the old Semite religion to which the Hebrews for a long time clung in common with their fellows — the various branches of nomadic Arabs — was largely furnished by the remarkable civilization unfolded in the Euphrates valley and in many of the traditions, myths and legends embodied in the Old Testament; traces of direct adaptation from and responses to Babylonia may be discerned, while the indirect influences in the domain of the prophetical books, as also in the Psalms and in the so-called "wisdom literature", are even more noteworthy. Quoting: observationEven when we reach the New Testament period, we have not passed entirely beyond the sphere of Babylonian-Assyrian influences. In such a movement as early Christian gnosticism, Assyrio-Babylonian elements — modified, to be sure, and transformed — are largely present, while the growth of an apocalyptic literature is ascribed with apparent justice by many scholars to the recrudescence of views, the ultimate source of which is to be found in the astral-theology of the Babylonian and Assyrian Priests. [link to en.wikipedia.org] this is what our authorities desire to be known there is no other explanation in reading then writing that post it is the first time i have experienced the sensation of our past 'coming alive' and it possess some mighty scale is the sensation Last Edited by aether on 12/26/2011 02:55 PM |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/26/2011 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Levant The deities worshipped in Canaanite religion during the Late Bronze Age notably included El Elyon and his sons, the Elohim, the goddes Anat and Hadad, the storm god and heroic slayer of Yam. The composition of the Hebrew Bible began centuries after the Bronze Age collapse, but many of these names are still reflected in Biblical Hebrew, especially the Elohim in the Elohist source, and the title Ba'al, originally a title of Hadad, as the rival or nemesis of Yahweh. Quoting: observation[link to en.wikipedia.org] Canaanite religion Canaanite religion is the name for the group of Ancient Semitic religions practiced by the Canaanites living in the ancient Levant from at least the early Bronze Age through the first centuries of the Common Era. Quoting: observationCanaanite religion was polytheistic, and in some cases monolatristic. Afterlife and Cult of the Dead According to Canaanite beliefs, when the physical body dies, the npš (usually translated as "soul") departs from the body to the land of Mot. Bodies were buried with grave goods, and offerings of food and drink were made to the dead to ensure that they would not bother the living. Dead relatives were venerated and sometimes asked for help Quoting: observation[link to en.wikipedia.org] 1st millennium BC n the 1st millennium BC, the alphabet spread much further, giving us a picture not just of Canaanite but also of Aramaic, Old South Arabian, and early Ge'ez. During this period, the case system, once vigorous in Ugaritic, seems to have started decaying in Northwest Semitic. Phoenician colonies spread their Canaanite language throughout much of the Mediterranean, while its close relative Hebrew became the vehicle of a religious literature, the Torah and Tanakh, that would have global ramifications. However, as an ironic result of the Assyrian Empire's conquests, Aramaic became the lingua franca of the Fertile Crescent, gradually pushing Akkadian, Hebrew, Phoenician, and several other languages to extinction (although Hebrew remained in use as a liturgical language), and developing a substantial literature. Meanwhile, Ge'ez texts beginning in this era give the first direct record of Ethiopian Semitic. Quoting: observation[link to en.wikipedia.org] amazed it is all laid out so clearly |
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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it`s motive, there does not exist a motive that satisfies because all that is motivational is faith based or mechanical that is why desire for awareness of our universes structure and function is arising, there is desire for motivational inspiration that does not depend on faith and is not mechanical in motive good Yes, that is my 'feeling' as well. No, not feeling, but what I experience as well. There lies a freedom within that certain desired motive (a conscious desired movement towards developing an awareness to our universes structure and function) that can be very difficult for people to attain, because of their faiths and beliefs. Both of a mechanical universe OR a spiritual universe. Quoting: sickscentAcceptance of varied experiences without filter until proper placement into one's reality has come to manifestation is a very, very difficult thing to do for most people. It is the baggage they carry from past learning of distortions, rather than universal function/structure, that includes the process of non-material as well. Acceptance of things that run counter to past learned baggage is extremely difficult to let go of. Especially those deeper moments. Why is it so difficult? Because that acceptance of learned baggage CREATES AND BECOMES THE HUMAN CONDITION. We are all submerged in it, and live much of our educational lives and values to such a thing. Hard to be rid of?...hell yes. hey sickscent happy xmas Quoting: aetherremember we are not doing it on our own we do have denser plasma entering our heliosphere etc.etc early days of our awareness to the naturally accelerating effect you know sickscent when you wrote that i read and was unaffected by it`s implications as i have been throughout my life not today because today has chosen it`self for me to experience insight of what you are telling nothing can or could be done about that which you describe without our environments intervention, that is for sure Last Edited by aether on 12/27/2011 09:05 AM |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and to a degree i can put it into words experiencing the same environment that it ever was was whilst experiencing our environment provide information in a manner that did never capture attention before prompts the sensation there exists 'something the other side' responsible for these experiences imagination will only see Quoting: aetherwhat awareness says can be the only was to process the information being received is within the parameters of what the receiver already 'knew' is true which bias`s the receivers translation we will follow this process with cern |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | cern is bravely fighting it`s corner Quoting: aether There is a conceptual separation of electrons and charge. Electrons "carry" the charge. Note that there is an unwillingness to admit to or accept the obvious and inevitable conclusion that charge is an emission. Without invoking unworkable, except by disconnected imaginings, heuristic pressure fields or other compressed aether models containing waves of interfering convenience, then charge as an emission is the only option. Indeed an emitted charge is by far the simplest answer and receives the full support of Occam's Razor. Quoting: cern mindsetCharge is an emission and electricity is charge. All that remains is the mechanisms, but I find it curious that few if any humans are prepared to entertain logic in this regard. Instead there is an enormous propensity to fall back into spirituality. It would seem that reason only enjoys a very short season in the human mind. aware of the "weirdness" manifesting within the personalities of many over the coming 7 years it is best to allow distance (time) to "straighten" that out I am just inserting this information into this thread in hopes that somebody out there will seek to directly align themselves with the core source out of which the entirety - it's creation & completion becomes manifest. Quoting: 12DnAIt is a little bit dated; but hopefully someone out there will begin to directly perceive the 144,000 faceted core soon enough .. cause I tired. Despite what some of you believe based on the way other's understand the meso-american long count calendar; until humanity has aligned and oriented our understanding with the 'Seed of Life' we are never going to get anywhere. I don't care how many underworlds or whatever it is people out there put forth, until each can directly perceive how the base creational geometry of the seed of life / genesis pattern is mirrored at the highest levels of creation & completion ... ... still are clueless and thinking along these lines is off the mark by an order of magnitude (tired, ready to leave planet) ... Ancient Sacred Circuit approximated (verify with cactus & mushrooms). This ancient sacred circuit exists hyperspatially via fields within fields within fields ... cern, nasa, pope, jerusalem, beijing , entities connected to humanity, dragon blood lines, occult, mafia, miltary etc. etc. all got the same question on the tip of their tongue |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and to a degree i can put it into words Quoting: aether experiencing the same environment that it ever was was whilst experiencing our environment provide information in a manner that did never capture attention before prompts the sensation there exists 'something the other side' responsible for these experiences imagination will only see Quoting: aetherwhat awareness says can be the only was to process the information being received is within the parameters of what the receiver already 'knew' is true which bias`s the receivers translation we will follow this process with cern this is cern awareness today: There is no energy in motion. Energy is the amount of work (i.e. force) that can be performed by a mass in motion. Both force and energy require collision. Quoting: cern"Energy" is just a number, it is only the result of a mathematical calculation, it is not real. Aether particles do not have or express energy, they are simply mass in motion. Waves are mass in motion. The concept that "energy" exists as a thing probably entered our consciousness in pre-history, when the earliest hominids witnessed the "awesome power of nature". It is a compelling image: wispy strings of energy interweaving their way through the universe, but this is a false image. Momentum is a description of the motion of the medium. A mass in motion has velocity and mass, upon collision with another mass it may decelerate and the other mass accelerate, a process referred to a force or "doing work". Energy is a calculation of the object's maximum potential to do work, given it's mass, velocity and ideal collisions. Energy has nothing to do with motion Energy is a quantitative description of an object's maximum potential to apply force. An object's ability to apply force is dependent on it's mass and it's velocity. To apply force an object must decelerate and it's maximum ability to decelerate is defined by it's velocity. Although it is not incorrect to talk of "energy" to describe an object's potential to do work, it is incorrect to think of an object as having energy. There is no such thing as energy. Light is not energy, heat is not energy, electromagnetism is not energy, gravity is not energy. All these things are mass in motion, with momentum transferred by collision, where force is a description of the transfer of momentum. Last Edited by aether on 12/27/2011 10:15 AM |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | imagination will only see Quoting: aetherwhat awareness says can be The convention establishing CERN was ratified on 29 September 1954 by 12 countries in Western Europe. The acronym CERN originally stood, in French, for Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire (European Council for Nuclear Research), which was a provisional council for setting up the laboratory, established by 12 European governments in 1952 Quoting: observationSoon after its establishment the work at the laboratory went beyond the study of the atomic nucleus into higher-energy physics, which is mainly concerned with the study of interactions between particles. Therefore the laboratory operated by CERN is commonly referred to as the European laboratory for particle physics (Laboratoire européen pour la physique des particules) which better describes the research being performed at CERN. [link to en.wikipedia.org] what that tells us is that approx 60 years ago the collective imagination of our technological societies set out to prove what they already 'knew' our universe is mechanical Last Edited by aether on 12/27/2011 10:46 AM |
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aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Ceramic Model – The Universe as artifact Quoting: aether This is the model that has carried over from the Judeo-Christian tradition. In this model, one sees the world as constructed or made- particularly by a supreme God, be it an Intelligent designer or Yahweh himself. The Biblical Narrative in the first few chapters of Genesis describes how the world came in to being. When God made man, he formed him out of the earth and breathed life ‘in’ to him. This idea has left many westerners with the idea that the world was manufactured by God, and our essential being (soul, spirit, atman, etc…) was brought ‘in to’ the world. The Fully-Automatic Model – The Universe as dumb energy and random cause & effect. When science began to take precedence over religion, it became harder for people to believe in the God of the Ceramic Model. They saw no evidence of his craftsmanship, because the signs were pointing to natural selection and evolution. Intelligent design became too hard to believe. The Organic Model – The Universe as organism. The Chinese don’t see their lives/souls as coming ‘in to’ the world, but rather ‘out of’ the world. For example, a common question that a western child will ask her parents is, “Mommy, how was I made?” A Chinese child would not ask, “How was I made?” But, she might as her mother, “How was I grown?” Everything we see, hear, touch and taste has come out of the world – not in to it. It is assumed that when people believe that their ‘self’ was cast in to a human body on this earth, they see the unsatisfactory events in life as being unfair. They didn’t choose this life. Nobody asked them if they wanted to be born. But when if we believe that we are in fact a part of the world, coming forth from it, we are motivated to work with the ways of the world (what the Taoist calls establishing Wu-Wei). Realizing the interdependence of the whole Universe, we are able to see where we fit in it and how to work with it. |
HilosPP User ID: 6993421 United States 12/27/2011 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no what that science believes is by random means all we observe and experience arises from particles formed and sustained by the consequences of a single explosion (big bang) which forces particles to continuously hit each other, thus impart force and it is that force, derived from explosion, that forms into us and our universe |
aether User ID: 1412926 United Kingdom 12/27/2011 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's interesting, seems the part high lighted in red should mean man should stop trying to figure things out since there is no real order to anything, it's just an extremely rare and random set of circumstance that happened to produce being able of such kind of thought? Quoting: HilosPP that does not fit into anything as in: what comes next |
HilosPP User ID: 6993421 United States 12/27/2011 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no what that science believes is by random means all we observe and experience arises from particles formed and sustained by the consequences of a single explosion (big bang) which forces particles to continuously hit each other, thus impart force and it is that force, derived from explosion, that forms into us and our universe But where in Nature does something Mechanical exist? The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
HilosPP User ID: 6993421 United States 12/27/2011 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no what that science believes is by random means all we observe and experience arises from particles formed and sustained by the consequences of a single explosion (big bang) which forces particles to continuously hit each other, thus impart force and it is that force, derived from explosion, that forms into us and our universe I see, so as is where Sciences are concerned, there isn't one that tries to explain the Religious Theory that Spirit was first? Like a Human Beings "Soul" which Science can't really prove either right or doesn't accept, all of Science deals with the things of this world as they are? Like the stripping of atoms to quarks and stuff right? The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |