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BREAKING: Shift of Earth's magnetic north pole impacts Tampa airport!

 
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Hmm I don't believe in magic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1219721

Of course you won't admit that's what it really reduces to, but that doesn't change the fact that that is exactly what you're handwaving to.
I believe in new evidence presenting itself that hasn't before, which pushes science to a new paradigm.
 Quoting: AC

You're pushing for a specific possibility that violates what we know, it is up to you to either present evidence for that claim or the claim falls. It's that simple.
You're saying there is no possibility of unknown evidence presenting itself.
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That is not what I'm saying, in fact I specifically ruled out the possibility of you putting those words in my mouth with my last post. Either present this previously "unknown" evidence showing how a physical poleshift is possible or the claim falls. It doesn't stay afloat just because you would like to believe something will happen that violates everything we know in such a way as to make it possible. That's just an appeal to magic. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You don't even have regular proof here, let alone extraordinary.
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... you're just handwaving to magic to keep your bullshit afloat.
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Willie: Yeah? What about mommy?
Kid: She lives in God's house; with Jesus and Mary and the ghost and the long eared donkey and the talking walnut.


If you want that crap bad enough, you'll believe anything to keep the bullshit afloat -- Nibiru, Pole Shift, Pleadians -- Anything.
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Seeing as we're still finding new neighbors.

[link to www.space.com]

There is the possibility of a large body coming within proximity of our planet, to capture earth in it's gravity.

During this capture in its orbit the earth would undergo changes in force, perhaps pole, etc.

Or even if it doesn't have us rotate around us, it could come close enough where it's gravity throws off ours. producing unknown events.

To rule out the possibility of an unknown planet/body that comes through our solar system is not possible.

As we can't even find all the asteroids in our possible orbital path.
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5a FYI 12-21-12 is fucking real. banana2
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There is nothing about believing here. For this need to go to church. Do scientists believe in God? Some for sure.

Anyway, this thread is ooold and spoiled

please move on
Thread: UPDATED: China has figured out why birds are falling all over!
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Seeing as we're still finding new neighbors.

[link to www.space.com]

There is the possibility of a large body coming within proximity of our planet, to capture earth in it's gravity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1219721

Yes, let's look at that shall we? The possibility of a brown dwarf in the Oort cloud, somewhere in the range of 25,000-30,000 AUs. Please explain how that's compatible at all with the claim of a brown dwarf being within the proximity of our planet?
During this capture in its orbit the earth would undergo changes in force, perhaps pole, etc.
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LMFAO, in my previous tests of a claim of a brown dwarf coming into the inner solar system I had it staying farther away from earth than mars, but you're not going to get nearly enough torque to pole flip the earth that way. That was me being generous though; the farther into the inner solar system it gets before closest approach, the more obvious the effects would be on all the other planets before closest approach happens.
To rule out the possibility of an unknown planet/body that comes through our solar system is not possible.
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Actually it's easily possible. For one thing you can see what such a thing would do to the inner solar system with its gravity and then check to see if there's evidence of that in the orbits of the planets or not. For another thing you can check to see if any such gravitational perturbations are actually occurring in the outer planets or not, which would indicate the approach of any such object. What we see is that it would drastically alter the orbits of the planets, increasing their eccentricity, inclination, and even Jupiter would not escape its effects. In short, if such a thing were real, the solar system should be arranged much more chaotically than it actually is, and if such a thing were approaching, we should already be seeing its effects on the orbits of the outer planets:
[link to www.youtube.com]
As we can't even find all the asteroids in our possible orbital path.
 Quoting: AC

"Can't even"? Did you seriously just say that with a straight face? Are you seriously trying to compare this to asteroid hunting? Asteroids are relatively low mass objects, they don't impact the orbits of the planets with their presence, and the ones we're still hunting for are fairly small and incredibly dim. Apples and oranges.
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You can thank me for the telescope club sticking on you LOL.

You seem to think it's a clever insult. You can go on thinking that for all I care.

The shift may be survivable too by the way.

Earth's rotational energy is 2.1 x 10^29 joules. To flip it over you'd have to apply a large fraction of that number, which itself is about 100 million times the entire nuclear arsenal present on earth. Let's figure out just how much you need though:

The 2010 earthquake in Chile shifted our axis by an undetectable 2.7 milliarcseconds. The energy in that quake was 238 megatons or 1.00x10^18 Joules. To shift the earth 180 degrees would require an energy output of about 6.48x10^26 Joules (1.55x10^11 megatons). That's ten thousand times the energy of the asteroid impact believed to have killed the dinosaurs. The global nuclear arsenal is about 5000 megatons. You're therefore talking about energy equivalent of 31 million times the global nuclear arsenal. That is not survivable.
 Quoting: Astronut


There are too many factors to take into consideration.
You can go ahead and do you figures based on an earthquake in chile. That means nothing. You could get a average of the movement of the earths axis, based off all the earthquakes that were every recorded. It still means nothing.

This flip could happen from somthing other than a quake.
It might be like a calm breeze as far as anyone knows.
You prove nothing.
Keep it in the club
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That's .11 miles per day...
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This flip could happen from somthing other than a quake.
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The energy required would still be of the same magnitude.
It might be like a calm breeze as far as anyone knows.
 Quoting: AC

BS. Show me the calculations for how you plan to rotate the earth 180 degrees with a calm breeze. You prove nothing. Keep it in the cult.
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...

agreed, although I would not call it stupidity, just lack of knowledge. As a pilot this is something I have to deal with constantly, dealing with magnetic variation

Wow, you're a pilot too Janey? Which types of aircraft are you certified for? Just curious.
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sorry for the late reply, I just saw your question. Yes, I learnt to fly whilst in the Police/security services. Hence working as a military/aviation journalist since leaving the services. I am currently qualified on the Boeing 737/747/757 and 767
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That's .11 miles per day...
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In 6 years it has increased its speed of change by more than 14 miles per year.

2003 = 25.7 miles/year

2009 = 39.9 miles/year
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2.36 miles per year increase on an acclerating scale...
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My Dad would always have his bed placed in such a way that his head was North.

I wished I had asked why ....
"Something is going on that we do not understand." John Emmert
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2001 20
2002 22.1
2003 24.3
2004 26.6
2005 29
2006 31.5
2007 34.1
2008 36.8
2009 39.6
2010 42.5
2011 45.5
2012 48.6
2013 51.8
2014 55.1
2015 58.5
2016 62
2017 65.6
2018 69.3
2019 73.1
2020 77
2021 81
2022 85.1
2023 89.3
2024 93.6
2025 98
2026 102.5
2027 107.1
2028 111.8
2029 116.6
2030 121.5

Linear projection of movement per year based on 2001 to 2010 data.... by 2030 moving 121.5 miles per year....
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2001 20
2002 21.705
2003 23.5805
2004 25.64355
2005 27.912905
2006 30.4091955
2007 33.15511505
2008 36.17562656
2009 39.49818921
2010 43.15300813
2011 47.17330894
2012 51.59563984
2013 56.46020382
2014 61.81122421
2015 67.69734663
2016 74.17208129
2017 81.29428942
2018 89.12871836
2019 97.7465902
2020 107.2262492
2021 117.6538741
2022 129.1242615
2023 141.7416877
2024 155.6208565
2025 170.8879421
2026 187.6817363
2027 206.15491
2028 226.475401
2029 248.8279411
2030 273.4157352

Exponential projection of movement per year based on 2001 to 2010 data.... by 2030 moving at 273 miles per year.
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Linear total from now to 2030 = 1656 miles of movement

Exponential total from now to 2030 = 2635 miles of movement
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I love Astros stuff.love it... worship
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Circumference of earth at poles = 24860 miles

Half of this = 12430
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My Dad would always have his bed placed in such a way that his head was North.

I wished I had asked why ....
 Quoting: Seeker5



Some people claim to sleep better that way. Something to do with being in alignment with the poles/magfields.
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My Dad would always have his bed placed in such a way that his head was North.

I wished I had asked why ....



Some people claim to sleep better that way. Something to do with being in alignment with the poles/magfields.
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Makes sense. Thanks.
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magnetic delineation is adjustable.

this sounds like a bullshit story
to spend money on the airport
that they don't need to.

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5a FYI 12-21-12 is fucking real. banana2
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or 28-10-2011 :)
see: [link to commonpassion.org]
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5a FYI 12-21-12 is fucking real. banana2


or 28-10-2011 :)
see: [link to commonpassion.org]
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sorry.... we use another system, I ment 10-28-2011
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This flip could happen from somthing other than a quake.

The energy required would still be of the same magnitude.

It might be like a calm breeze as far as anyone knows.
BS. Show me the calculations for how you plan to rotate the earth 180 degrees with a calm breeze. You prove nothing. Keep it in the cult.
 Quoting: Astronut


You know, astronut, pole flips happened before and they didn't really care about your science nor about your energy calculation.

How and why and what are the consequences are not really known nowadays, neither in the scientific community nor with us the crazies hehehehe. So you want someone coming up with mathematical truth is kind of a thread killing attitude. And it doesn't help either because it does not advance the subject.

True is that Nibiru or planet x is not around. At least not in our solar system.

True is also that the pole is moving, normal or not. Normal is also that the river fills up with water after rain and it is quite normal that the water is crushing your house once the leeves breaks.

It seems true that the earth has some slight (normal) problems with his magnetique field, and the suns sunspot activity is quite low until now with scientist predicting a high activity starting this year.

We have birds and fish mass dying and the scientific comunity is telling us that the reasons are new years fire works. The scientific comunity also tells us that we have a warming climate and at least for Europe snow during winter time is going to be a very rare event.

The Labrador current is not anymore. The gulf stream is weak. The Jet Stream normally over the british islands was over afrika in december. Earthquakes, hurricanes, deseases and other stuff you are going to be familiar with if you come here often are increasing.

You got to admit that normal people are getting slightly cautious with scientific guys who want to calculate and do 'testing' while the shtf.

I personaly have the feeling and the observation that things are accelerating for the worse. And I am sure not to have an explanation from the scientific comunity.

So we like to start thinking ourselves !

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You know, astronut, pole flips happened before and they didn't really care about your science nor about your energy calculation.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^

With all due respect, a physical pole flip would HAVE to "care." It's not going to happen without an event producing energy of that magnitude.
So you want someone coming up with mathematical truth is kind of a thread killing attitude. And it doesn't help either because it does not advance the subject.
 Quoting: Aton

I disagree. I think it advanced the subject, though perhaps not in the way you would have liked. Math is the language of science. How dare someone use it.
True is also that the pole is moving, normal or not.
 Quoting: Aton

Physically? No, not in any significant way.
Here it is, a photo from mid-November of this year.
[link to www.flickr.com]
Astrometry reveals that at 1:1 scale, the image angular resolution is 51.32 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Polaris coordinates precessed to 2010 are 02h 43m 44.22s, 89d 18' 25.7" so it should have an offset from the north celestial pole of 2494.3 arcseconds. I measure Polaris to be 48.5 pixels offset from the north celestial pole in this image.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
That equates to an offset of 2489.02 arcseconds, well within the resolution of the photo itself. It doesn't get more accurate than that using this technique. Conclusion? The north celestial pole is right where it should be.
 Quoting: Astronut

It seems true that the earth has some slight (normal) problems with his magnetique field,
 Quoting: Aton

Ok, it seems that you haven't understood what I've meant when I use the term "pole flip." This is not about the magnetic poles or a geomagnetic pole flip which I do not contest we are overdue for.
You got to admit that normal people are getting slightly cautious with scientific guys who want to calculate and do 'testing' while the shtf.
 Quoting: aton

I wouldn't call them "normal." I'm used to the derision I get from them though.
So we like to start thinking ourselves !
 Quoting: aton

If you're "thinking for yourself" about "physical pole shifts" but you're not doing any of those "evil calculations" then you're not going to get very far in finding out the truth. Suit yourself though, no one forced you to read my posts or reply to them.

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But what I can imagine without problems is that if a nibiru like star strolls into our inner solar system the scientifics and official institutions will do everything to cover it up.

So keep on talking about it sort of helps to get the information out if it is there. There is already information about it from various sources, including the scientific comunity.

What we know nowadays about the universe and the forces behind it are very basic, very basic. And I am pretty sure that some stuff we know today will be in the dustbin of history tomorrow.

What we know is that pole flips happened. We know also that the Maya believed in a cycle of about 25000 years called a bantum, which after reached leads to a new something, a change, something which finishes the old and starts anew.

What we know is that civilisations existed well before our civilisation.

So whatever will happen and if it will happen the next year is normally of great interest to everbody.

You know, astronut, long before Newton discovered that the apple falls from the tree it was already common knowledge longtime with the normal people.

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I disagree. I think it advanced the subject, though perhaps not in the way you would have liked. Math is the language of science. How dare someone use it.

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True, I personnaly like to read your threads.
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I disagree. I think it advanced the subject, though perhaps not in the way you would have liked. Math is the language of science. How dare someone use it.

True, I personnaly like to read your threads.
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But the Mayas were able to put up a calender predicting solar cycles, eclipses and they weren't for sure no mathematic geniuses.

There is in my eyes more to it than mathematic.
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But what I can imagine without problems is that if a nibiru like star strolls into our inner solar system the scientifics and official institutions will do everything to cover it up.
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Of course you can imagine that, you have a very strong and obvious bias against any of those "evil scientific types who use math." Guess that would include unpaid amateurs like myself and others as well.
What we know is that pole flips happened.
 Quoting: aton

Magnetic flips, sure, I don't think anyone is contesting that.
You know, astronut, long before Newton discovered that the apple falls from the tree it was already common knowledge longtime with the normal people.
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Ah yes, you're smarter than us stupid science types with our stupid math. Did the "normal people" also realize the apple was pulling back on the earth with its own miniscule gravity that decreased with square of the distance?
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Astronaut fighting with 'locals' over 4 pages, then they agree they are talking about 2 different things.

1: physicaly rotating the earth crust like 180 degrees.
2: rotating the magnetic pole 180 degrees.

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