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Apostle Paul = First Anti-Christ

 
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But EVERYTHING is one and under control of one mind so are not these deceptions here purposely and literally FROM God?
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No, "deception" is NOT of God.........but rather, the "absence" of God!

Yes, all is of the Creation.......but not all is of God!
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One thing that really helped me figure out Paul was getting a good grasp on gnosticism.

Gnostics believed that anything you do in the flesh is evil. Let me give a good example. Let us say Coleen is hanging off a cliff and about to fall to ...her death. I run over to the cliffs edge and pull her up and save her life. Some gnostics believed this act was still evil because it was "Done in the flesh". They thought anything you did while "in the flesh" was bad.

Now here is the thing. Without my "Flesh" I could not perform the righteous act of saving Coleen's life. Without my flesh I could not help a widow. Without my flesh I could not feed a hungry person. But a gnostic believed that even though you would feed a homeless person it was still evil because you "Flesh" did it. Without flesh Adam could not take care of the Garden and minister to the animals. IT IS HOW WE INTERACT with this reality!

This is why Paul is always saying things like "Paul an Apostle NOT AFTER THE FLESH......." Paul here is taking a swipe at the 12 who were trained "in the flesh" by Y'shua. he considered himself to be superior because of his mystical revelations. This is also why Paul always talks about "walking in the spirit" and things like that

This is why Paul would teach that you were saved via a "Gnosis" instead of what you do "in the flesh". Aka Y'shua taught salvation was obtained by keeping the commandments (aka living a righteous lifestyle), Paul taught it was obtained by a gnostic thought you have.
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I meant to add in my above comments about gnosticism. This is why Paul said twice Y'shua came only in the LIKENESS of Flesh. Because to them there is no way Y'shua could have been human because that would "make him evil"

This is why John s...pecifically addressed this issue and said that anyone who says Y'shua is NOT HUMAN is the spirit of the Anti-Messiah.

1 John, James, Jude are all direct refutations of Paul and his theology and if you pay very close attention to them you will notice they refute virtually everything Paul says. Then when you keep in mind those letters were all written during that time period it all comes into focus.

For instance, we tend to read Jude and think it was written to us. But Jude wrote that while he was alive to people that lived around him that were being fooled by a man turning grace into a license to break the Torah. Who in first century Judea was doing that? PAUL.

Same thing with James, what vain man in first century Judea was telling people they were saved by Faith not works? PAUL!

1 John........Who was telling people Y'shua came in the LIKENESS of flesh? PAUL.

1 John......Who was telling people you were righteous if you had a "gnosis thought" in your head? Paul! This is why John would write "Let no man deceive you, you are righteous if you PRACTICE righteousness".
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But EVERYTHING is one and under control of one mind so are not these deceptions here purposely and literally FROM God?

No, "deception" is NOT of God.........but rather, the "absence" of God!

Yes, all is of the Creation.......but not all is of God!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe



But how can God be absent if he IS everything?
Total Protonic Reversal...
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One thing that really helped me figure out Paul was getting a good grasp on gnosticism.
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Please stop trying to subvert peoples' souls. The apostles never commanded anybody to tell Christians to be under the Old Testament law.

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(Matthew 15:24)

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Then why didn't God change the OTHER apostles names?
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You don't know the scriptures very well at all. The most High God changed names as they were transformed.

Abram to Abraham

Sari to Sarah

etc....

What the hell does it matter anyway about name the change?

What part of Paul's message are you trying to debunk in an exhausting and desperate manner.

What exact scriptures offend you so much?

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But EVERYTHING is one and under control of one mind so are not these deceptions here purposely and literally FROM God?

No, "deception" is NOT of God.........but rather, the "absence" of God!

Yes, all is of the Creation.......but not all is of God!



But how can God be absent if he IS everything?
 Quoting: GUANO

It is NOT God that is absent.......it is 'that which is learning', that separates itself from God/Goodness!

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You don't know the scriptures very well at all. The most High God changed names as they were transformed.
 Quoting: JD 1186311

Then apparently Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John didn't get "transformed" then?

And Yes, I am NO Scriptorian! lol

What the hell does it matter anyway about name the change?
 Quoting: JD 1186311

Well it matters a great deal, if you are trying to hide your identity.....as Paul was trying to do! :(

What part of Paul's message are you trying to debunk in an exhausting and desperate manner.
 Quoting: JD 1186311

"Exhausting & desperate"? LOL.......Perhaps if you actually read some of my comments, you wouldn't have to ask me that? lol

What exact scriptures offend you so much?
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The ones that sale you a LIE!!! :(

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What the hell does it matter anyway about name the change?

Well it matters a great deal, if you are trying to hide your identity.....as Paul was trying to do! :(
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How would it hide his identity? He admitted in his letters that he was the one who previously persecuted the church. The name change is recorded in the bible. It is not at all hidden.
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Then why didn't God change the OTHER apostles names?


You don't know the scriptures very well at all. The most High God changed names as they were transformed.

Abram to Abraham

Sari to Sarah

etc....

What the hell does it matter anyway about name the change?

What part of Paul's message are you trying to debunk in an exhausting and desperate manner.

What exact scriptures offend you so much?

.
 Quoting: JD 1186311


Did you read the questions? All his writings go against the rest of the scriptures and are very blatantly contradictory. So you can decide to Believe the Messiah, or Paul. You have free will so you can choose who to put your trust in.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Lawlessness)." Matthew 7:21-23

Does that match Paul's message?
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What the hell does it matter anyway about name the change?

Well it matters a great deal, if you are trying to hide your identity.....as Paul was trying to do! :(


How would it hide his identity? He admitted in his letters that he was the one who previously persecuted the church. The name change is recorded in the bible. It is not at all hidden.
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But it was at the time! You are looking at his version of the story in the present......and are able to say "Oh but he confessed to being a persecutor of the Saints" from his letters! Well yeah, NOW we see it........but they weren't being given it back then........although it is set up to look like it was! :(

You have no idea how tampered with these things have been!!!

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Quote "John Bunyan - Justification By An Imputed
Righteousness OR No Way to Heaven but by JESUS CHRIST."

Supposing the law was of force to justify, life must not be admitted to come that way, because of the evil consequences that will unavoidably flow therefrom.

First,
By this means, grace, and justification by grace, would be rejected; and that would be a foul business; it would not be reckoned of grace.

Secondly, By this, God would become the debtor, and so the underling; and so we in this the more honourable. It would not be reckoned of grace, but of debt: and what would follow from hence? Why,
By this we should frustrate the design of Heaven, which is, to justify us freely by grace, through a redemption brought in by Christ, Rom. 3:24-26; Eph. 2:8-13.

By this we should make ourselves the saviours, and jostle Christ quite out of doors, Gal. 5:2-4.

We should have heaven at our own disposal, as a debt, not by promise, and so not be beholden to God for it, Gal. 3:18. It must, then, be of grace, not of works, for the preventing of these evils. Again; it must not be of works, because if it should, then God would be the debtor, and we the creditor. Now much blasphemy would flow from hence; as,
First, God himself would not be his own to dispose of; for the inheritance being God, as well as his kingdom, for so it is written, "Heirs of God," Rom. 8:17, himself, I say, must needs be our purchase.

Secondly, If so, then we have right to dispose of him, of his kingdom and glory, and all; ("Be astonished, O heavens, at this!") for if he be ours by works, then he is ours of debt; if he be ours of debt, then he is ours by purchase; and then, again, if so, he is no longer his own, but ours, and at our disposal, &c.

Therefore, for these reasons, were there sufficiency in our personal works to justify us, it would be even inconsistent with the being of God to suffer it.


Let God be true; but everyman a liar.
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blumerl I can't help but notice that if you keep an eye on them, that the people who hate Paul always seem to have a never ending laundry list of things that they deem "wrong" with the bible.
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I agree wholeheartedly that the "apostle" Paul was a liar and a deceiver. And knowing that causes me to consider this in regard to the little book in Revelation 10. The name "Paul" means "little". And in comparison to the whole rest of the Bible, Paul's book is little. Yahshua said that anyone who causes people to break the commandments will be called "least" in the kingdom of heaven. When John takes the little book he is told to eat it and that it will make his belly bitter, but it will be sweet as honey in his mouth, and so it is. Such is Paul's gospel (he does refer to it as "my gospel" after all doesn't he?) Paul's gospel of 'just believe and you will be saved' and 'we are not under the law' etc. etc. is indeed sweet to the taste of those who would rather not repent of their sins and would rather believe that we don't have to keep the law. To repent of our sins means to forsake them, turn away from them, not just be sorry. So, just like the little book is sweet in John's mouth, but bitter in his belly, so is Paul's gospel sweet to those who would choose to believe that they can go on sinning and still be saved. Just as the little book was bitter in John's belly, so will Paul's gospel be bitter to the souls of those who have chosen to believe him on judgement day.
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I agree wholeheartedly that the "apostle" Paul was a liar and a deceiver. And knowing that causes me to consider this in regard to the little book in Revelation 10. The name "Paul" means "little". And in comparison to the whole rest of the Bible, Paul's book is little. Yahshua said that anyone who causes people to break the commandments will be called "least" in the kingdom of heaven. When John takes the little book he is told to eat it and that it will make his belly bitter, but it will be sweet as honey in his mouth, and so it is. Such is Paul's gospel (he does refer to it as "my gospel" after all doesn't he?) Paul's gospel of 'just believe and you will be saved' and 'we are not under the law' etc. etc. is indeed sweet to the taste of those who would rather not repent of their sins and would rather believe that we don't have to keep the law. To repent of our sins means to forsake them, turn away from them, not just be sorry. So, just like the little book is sweet in John's mouth, but bitter in his belly, so is Paul's gospel sweet to those who would choose to believe that they can go on sinning and still be saved. Just as the little book was bitter in John's belly, so will Paul's gospel be bitter to the souls of those who have chosen to believe him on judgement day.
 Quoting: TruthFollower 1229898



Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea,let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.

Thus spoke ILLUMINATOR

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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.

 Quoting: ILLUMINATOR



what are you talking off?
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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.


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what are you talking off?

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 Quoting: l 1230869



Peshitta Mission .... Annasann Mission.

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Thus spoke ILLUMINATOR

Nomen est Omen

Function: Illuminator from The Lighthouse of Annasann Mission

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NOTES 2014: This test-mission of Grace here is/was not only for Us; to see how you will react when The Real One comes. It is/was for you too; to see how you react when The Real One comes.
Now take a bow.
In the Presence of Illuminator - With egos and corrupt minds you will fall. With the Souls and pure Hearts you will arise. - In the Presence of ILLUMINATOR
Nemo me impune lacessit.

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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.


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what are you talking off?

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Peshitta Mission .... Annasann Mission.
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what is Peshitta Mission ..&.. Annasann Mission?.
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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.


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what are you talking off?

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Peshitta Mission .... Annasann Mission.




what is Peshitta Mission ..&.. Annasann Mission?.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231743


Look up to GLP threads:

- Annasann Mission
- The Holy Arrangement
- other threads by ILLUMINATOR

:-)

Thus spoke ILLUMINATOR

Nomen est Omen

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Status: Sacrosanct, Vox Dei, Lord of Lords, "Archangel Michael" - Quis ut Deus

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NOTES 2014: This test-mission of Grace here is/was not only for Us; to see how you will react when The Real One comes. It is/was for you too; to see how you react when The Real One comes.
Now take a bow.
In the Presence of Illuminator - With egos and corrupt minds you will fall. With the Souls and pure Hearts you will arise. - In the Presence of ILLUMINATOR
Nemo me impune lacessit.

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What the hell does it matter anyway about name the change?

Well it matters a great deal, if you are trying to hide your identity.....as Paul was trying to do! :(


How would it hide his identity? He admitted in his letters that he was the one who previously persecuted the church. The name change is recorded in the bible. It is not at all hidden.

But it was at the time! You are looking at his version of the story in the present......and are able to say "Oh but he confessed to being a persecutor of the Saints" from his letters! Well yeah, NOW we see it........but they weren't being given it back then........although it is set up to look like it was! :(

You have no idea how tampered with these things have been!!!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


So you think the bible is all wrong. Fine, stop looking in there then.
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ITS ALL FAKE
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ITS ALL FAKE

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THIS IS A VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO


GREAT RESEARCH BEHIND IT !
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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.


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what are you talking off?

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Peshitta Mission .... Annasann Mission.




what is Peshitta Mission ..&.. Annasann Mission?.


Look up to GLP threads:

- Annasann Mission
- The Holy Arrangement
- other threads by ILLUMINATOR

:-)

 Quoting: ILLUMINATOR

"At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it."
Mark 13:21
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Apostle Paul = False Prophet.

Nothing much to do with Yeheshuah ("Jesus") Peshitta Mission.

Traitor and wannabe Jewish conspirator.

Interesting how history repeat. Now from USA, "St. Paul" wannabe. With bow.


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what are you talking off?

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Peshitta Mission .... Annasann Mission.




what is Peshitta Mission ..&.. Annasann Mission?.


Look up to GLP threads:

- Annasann Mission
- The Holy Arrangement
- other threads by ILLUMINATOR

:-)


"At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it."
Mark 13:21
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1229912


Who said here anything about current Jesus identification?

It's about Mission.

It's about traitors of these missions too, like St. Paul was 2000 years ago. Past and present ones. Now there are also some of them. Present ones.

Bibletards are mostly stupid; fools with use of wisemen words. Not them they are.
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"At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it."
Mark 13:21


Who said here anything about current Jesus identification?

It's about Mission.

It's about traitors of these missions too, like St. Paul was 2000 years ago. Past and present ones. Now there are also some of them. Present ones.

Bibletards are mostly stupid; fools with use of wisemen words. Not them they are.
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Sounds like you are scared of "bibletards". Your retort is to attack. In your beloved threads you state that Lumina who is your wife is the incarnation of Jesus. You cannot deny that now can you.
The only traitor is yourself. You betrayed yourself.
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There is always a choice "illuminator".

You now at this time have the choice to put right what is wrong.
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ITS ALL FAKE




THIS IS A VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO


GREAT RESEARCH BEHIND IT !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231894



While I agree that the "apostle" Paul was a heretic and that the name "Jesus" is not the correct name for the Messiah, I do not agree with this video that the gospels are fake. There are too many (over 300) prophecies in the Old Testament that were fulfilled by Yahshua (Jesus) that prove that He is who He said He is. Yahshua told us to see that we are not deceived. We live in a time when deception is everywhere. The only way to avoid being deceived is to pray to YHWH daily and ask Him to guard us from deception. Again, asking YHWH daily for Him to protect us from deception is the ONLY way we will not be deceived.
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How can Paul be a 13th apostle when Revelation 21:14 says there are only twelve?

How many apostles are here on earth now?

During the time when Jesus was walking the earth 2000 years, time there were many false teachings just like know ,
Jesus said to discern by their fruits you shall know.
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Apostle paul was awesome, if it wasn't for him Jesus would have faded into history.

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