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Apostle Paul = First Anti-Christ

 
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OP is offering you the Truth! Paul wrote most of the NT, as Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John could neither read nor write!



Matthew and Luke could definitely read and write, the other 2 could have learned during the 40-60 years between the time of the crucifixion and the time of the writing of those documents...

Based on these questions, I would say the person who wrote these is either a) Jewish b) oppressed by a spirit of religion and doesn't like the fact that the Messiah set the religious captives free.

I can answer all of these questions but won't even bother because if you can read the Bible and not grasp the Messiah's ministry then you're obviously not one who has been called by HaShem.
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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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ST PAUL PREACHED JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD CRUCIFIED
ST PAUL WAS AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST SENT HIM
APOSTLE MEANS - SENT.



34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

<< Matthew 23 >>
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Jesus said about Paul:

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
(Acts 9:15)

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Jesus said about Paul:

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
(Acts 9:15)

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231328

yes, Paul was annointed by the Most High...do not lose sight of that fact.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I thought of the anti-Paul threads at GLP listening
to the Second Reading at Sunday Mass yesterday.

Paul is an Apostle of Christ and all Paul so generously
shared in his writings to the early Christians is God's
Truth.

The Second reading was 1 Corinthians 1:1-3. Notice the
Chapter heading for Chapter 1 in Corinthians. From the
Vulgate and so true...talking about these times, the foolish 21st century false prophets.

+ + +

He reproveth their dissensions about their teachers. The world was to be saved by preaching of the cross, and not by human wisdom or eloquence.



1 Corinthians 1:1-3
Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes a brother, [2] To the church of God that is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that invoke the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, in every place of theirs and ours. [3] Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ


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I agree with you 100% OP. You can't worship Jesus and follow the words of Paul. The two don't match up and often contradict each other and I'd take Jesus over Paul any day.
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Paul never declared to be a 13 apostle the next after Judas was matthis. OP DO YOUR RESEARCH. CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

matter of fact he (paul stated he would rather be the least of the servants.)PAUL WAS A GREAT THEOLOGIAN, MISSIONARY AND BOND SERVANT IN CHRIST.


umm IF ANY GOSPEL I TEACH ITS Christ Crucified. sinners saved by grace IN THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST.




And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias, And they prayed and said, "You , O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place." And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles. Acts 1:23-26

i could debunk all that you wrote but heres one for starters. context context context.
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Paul never declared to be a 13 apostle the next after Judas was matthis. OP DO YOUR RESEARCH. CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

matter of fact he (paul stated he would rather be the least of the servants.)PAUL WAS A GREAT THEOLOGIAN, MISSIONARY AND BOND SERVANT IN CHRIST.


umm IF ANY GOSPEL I TEACH ITS Christ Crucified. sinners saved by grace IN THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST.




And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias, And they prayed and said, "You , O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place." And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles. Acts 1:23-26

i could debunk all that you wrote but heres one for starters. context context context.
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"CONTEXT"!! God the Holy Spirit doesn't lead thousands of sects each to their own private interpretation of Scripture.
The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, she gave
you the Bible.

Paul was/is an Apostle of Christ. His writings
in the Gospel are God's Truth. The pride of some to
come along almost 2000 years later to call him anti-Christ
is so beyond nonsense. What a preparation....they have
no clue.

1 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes a brother
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I agree with you 100% OP. You can't worship Jesus and follow the words of Paul. The two don't match up and often contradict each other and I'd take Jesus over Paul any day.
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It's not that easy. Read Acts 15. The Holy Spirit, and all the apostles, agreed that Paul had it correct. So essentially, if you think Paul is wrong, you have rejected the entire New Testament, and the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

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It is so funny to me to see the "defense" of those who choose to follow Paul rather than Yahushua. It's always the same.."I COULD answer those questions but I won't bother".

Please. Since Yah has led me to the truth about Paul over 3 years ago...throughout my search and studying, I have not ONCE gotten a valid, logical response that defends Paul.

Not One.

I got the same canned Paulinist baloney from every single person.

And I grew up on Paul...over 32 years...and I could have regurgitated the same crap that I get now, so I know first hand that it stems from what we are conditioned to believe and not from a sincere desire to know the truth at all costs.

WIDE is the gate that leads to destruction. What is wider than 'salvation through faith alone', especially when the definition of that faith has been changed to basically mean "belief"...??
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Jesus said not to change the Law, Paul changed it.
Jesus said not to change the word, Paul was Hope and Change.
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1 YHVH.

Hear O' Israel, YHVH our Eloh is one. He and he alone; blessed be the name of His glorious kingdom forever. You will love YHVH with all your heart, all your mind and all your might.

Israel = Yah's people no matter where they are.

Paul is a liar and a thief of souls.

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Paul said what!?!

Paul said in 2 Corinthians 11:16-18 - I repeat: no one should think that I am a fool. But if you do, at least accept me as a fool, just so I will have a little to boast of. Of course what I am saying now is not what the Lord would have me say; in this matter of boasting I am really talking like a fool. But since there are so many who boast for merely human reasons, I will do the same.




Ephesians 4:26 - Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Ephesians 4:31 - Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Gee guys, I know I told you to be angry back there in Eph. 4:26 but now I've changed my mind just 5 verses later.




1 Corinthians 7:12 - But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: ...



UNCLEAN CREATURES TO BE AVOIDED:

Leviticus 11:30 - And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.

Chameleons are noted for changing with its surroundings!

1 Corinthians 9:20 - And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

1 Corinthians 9:21 - To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

1 Corinthians 9:22 - To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some.





2 Corinthians 11:8 - I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you.

2 Corinthians 12:16 - But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit.

2 Corinthians 13:1 - This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Ha-ha. Paul's mouth, three times coming to the Corinthians, equals 3 witnesses!





1 Corinthians 11:26 - For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Maybe someone should advertise the fact that Yahushua is NOT dead ... so neither is YHVH's word or law(s)!

Matthew 24:35 - Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 16:17 - And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luke 24:5 - Why seek ye the living among the dead?

Mark 12:27 - He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.



Romans 7:13-22- Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul: I am sold to my second master: SIN

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Paul: I know what is right, I just don't do it. Instead I serve a second master.

If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

What Paul?!?

Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul: Here's a great excuse everyone: It's not you that does it, it's the sin itself!

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Paul: I know that I shouldn't sin, but I don't have the self-control to do anything about it.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Paul: I chose evil over good every time.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul: Like I said, sin has a complete grip on my actions.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Paul: So then ...good = evil?



Church and Paul is for sinners; let them go to church and learn all things Paul and believe they have no hope to be found righteous save through grace and nothing more. They seem to believe that they cannot help but to sin.

Those who know YHVH follow Him and do what they are asked to be found righteous. Go and sin no more.
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ye are to make a choice to believe God or a mere mortal Paul..
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Who robbed Peter to pay Paul?
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Jesus Christ personally called Paul to serve Him on the Damascas road! Who are you? Do you not understand the gentiles received the gospel because of Paul?
The Lord God Almighty spoke of you dogs in Revelation!
Jesus Christ said you are called Nicolatians, He said He despises your doctrine from hell!
Please don't tell me we need to add to the finished work of Jesus Christ on Calvary!
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Funny how Peter and the others agreed with Paul too.
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weren't peter and paul enemies ?
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A lot to chew on OP. Thank you for your thread.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein." Jer 6:16


The old paths are the good way.

The Lewis and Clark Trail through the bitterroot mountains of Montana- Idaho is a single path old Indian trail, two feet deep in places.

The Forest Service has tried to make it go away ( be lost and forgotton) and built a modern trail that goes on and off the old.

Same happened to God's way but the few who seek will find the narow path.

The old trail is easy and difficult, like the narrow way.

mtn mollie
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YHVH= Ultimate anti-Christ
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Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jer 6:16

Jesus came to set the old ways straight, not to destroy them.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19
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True words.
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Jesus
Matthew
John
Luke
Paul
Peter

All agree about Israel


Mat.21:43,48 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mat.23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left to you desolate.

John 4:22,23 You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the J-ws. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you [Jewish]: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Acts 18:5,6 Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the J-ws that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Acts 22:19-21 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him. And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Ro.2:17 Behold, thou art called a J-w, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God.....25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a J-w, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a J-w, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Ro.9:6,7 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gal.3:7 Know you therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal.3:16,28,29 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.....There is neither J-w nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal.6:15,16 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God.

Phil.3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:
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Agreed.

I think the "person" who came to him was not Jesus, but a demon. John gives us the "test" to perform to know if the spirit is of God. Don't think Paul tested the spirit.

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit" Matthew 7:18

Paul killed Christians - bad tree!
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What question was asked?

Mark 10: 19


19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’

Why did Jesusanswerthe question thisway/

how come he did not say

you are saved by faith through grace ?





I'm still shocked and thinking...oh my!
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Great ! My two cents:

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"The Ebionites testified that Paul had no Pharisaic background or training; he was the son of Gentiles, converted to Judaism in Tarsus, came to Jerusalem when an adult, and attached himself to the High Priest as a henchman. "
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oh- Oh -Oh my!

Thank you for this thread.
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nice questions!! Great post OP!
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Thank OP.

Now I know why I ran into so much trouble with them...
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One thing that really helped me figure out Paul was getting a good grasp on gnosticism.

Gnostics believed that anything you do in the flesh is evil. Let me give a good example. Let us say Coleen is hanging off a cliff and about to fall to ...her death. I run over to the cliffs edge and pull her up and save her life. Some gnostics believed this act was still evil because it was "Done in the flesh". They thought anything you did while "in the flesh" was bad.

Now here is the thing. Without my "Flesh" I could not perform the righteous act of saving Coleen's life. Without my flesh I could not help a widow. Without my flesh I could not feed a hungry person. But a gnostic believed that even though you would feed a homeless person it was still evil because you "Flesh" did it. Without flesh Adam could not take care of the Garden and minister to the animals. IT IS HOW WE INTERACT with this reality!

This is why Paul is always saying things like "Paul an Apostle NOT AFTER THE FLESH......." Paul here is taking a swipe at the 12 who were trained "in the flesh" by Y'shua. he considered himself to be superior because of his mystical revelations. This is also why Paul always talks about "walking in the spirit" and things like that

This is why Paul would teach that you were saved via a "Gnosis" instead of what you do "in the flesh". Aka Y'shua taught salvation was obtained by keeping the commandments (aka living a righteous lifestyle), Paul taught it was obtained by a gnostic thought you have.
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meant to add in my above comments about gnosticism. This is why Paul said twice Y'shua came only in the LIKENESS of Flesh. Because to them there is no way Y'shua could have been human because that would "make him evil"

This is why John s...pecifically addressed this issue and said that anyone who says Y'shua is NOT HUMAN is the spirit of the Anti-Messiah.

1 John, James, Jude are all direct refutations of Paul and his theology and if you pay very close attention to them you will notice they refute virtually everything Paul says. Then when you keep in mind those letters were all written during that time period it all comes into focus.

For instance, we tend to read Jude and think it was written to us. But Jude wrote that while he was alive to people that lived around him that were being fooled by a man turning grace into a license to break the Torah. Who in first century Judea was doing that? PAUL.

Same thing with James, what vain man in first century Judea was telling people they were saved by Faith not works? PAUL!

1 John........Who was telling people Y'shua came in the LIKENESS of flesh? PAUL.

1 John......Who was telling people you were righteous if you had a "gnosis thought" in your head? Paul! This is why John would write "Let no man deceive you, you are righteous if you PRACTICE righteousness".
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What part of Paul's message are you trying to debunk in an exhausting and desperate manner.

What exact scriptures offend you so much?

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Did you read the questions? All his writings go against the rest of the scriptures and are very blatantly contradictory. So you can decide to Believe the Messiah, or Paul. You have free will so you can choose who to put your trust in.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Lawlessness)." Matthew 7:21-23

Does that match Paul's message?
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