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Apostle Paul = First Anti-Christ

 
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Answer these questions below for yourself critically. If you are a God Fearing Man, you can't help but come to this conclusion. Even if you justify 50% of these questions, if he teaches differently than the Messiah, who's more right?

Paul was the first Joseph Smith/Mohammad, to find god through a revelation and proceed to totally corrupt the truth. If you do not think he did, then you should follow those two guys as well, they're no different.

Here's the questions to ask yourself:

Questions to Ask Your Preacher about Paul of Tarsus by Jeff Ward
Relating to Revelation 2:1-2

- If Paul wasn’t guilty as Rev 2:2 alleges, then why does he address those at Ephesus as an "apostle” in Ephesians 1:1?

- How can Paul be a 13th apostle when Revelation 21:14 says there are only twelve?

- How can Paul be a 13th apostle when Jesus tells us in Matthew 19:28 there are only twelve?

- If Paul’s apostleship was not in question, then why does he defend it in 1st Corinthians 9:1-3? Why does he speak in v.3 of those who “try” him unless he was “tried” as Rev 2:2 alleges?

- If Paul was not one whom the Ephesians found to be a liar in Rev 2:2, then why does Paul say in 2nd Timothy 1:15 that “all they which are in Asia have turned away from me.”?

- If Paul was not called a liar about his apostleship, then why does he specifically say in 1st Timothy 2:7 he is not lying about his apostleship?

If “none are righteous” as Paul universally declares in Romans 3:9-20, then why are the parents of John the Baptist declared “righteous before God” in Luke 1:6?

Why does Paul say, “as it is written” in Romans 3:10 and then string together single sentences from no less than six places in the Bible, stringing them together as if they are one statement? Does he truly represent it “as it is written?” Are his conclusions the same as the original?

Why does Paul quote the “old testament” at all if it is not authoritative?

Part of Paul’s Romans 3:10 quote comes from Psalms 14. If there are “none righteous” including believers as Paul alleges, then why does Psalm 14:5 say, “for God is in the generation of the righteous”? Why would God speak of those who Paul says never existed?

If Paul even late in his ministry claims to be a Pharisee in Acts 23:6 and Jesus tells me in Luke 12:1 to beware the leaven of the Pharisees, then shouldn’t I obey Jesus and beware Paul?

Paul claimed to have encountered Jesus in the desert on the road to Damascus. Jesus told me in Matthew 24:26 when someone claims to see him in the desert don’t believe him. Should I take the advice of Jesus?

Paul in Galatians 1 emphasizes his knowledge comes directly from Jesus and not from man. Jesus says in Matthew 24:26 if someone claims to see him in the secret chambers, I should not believe him. Who was telling me the truth?

If Paul’s claim in Galatians 2:16 is true, that we are saved by faith only, then why does James refute this in James 2:14-26 calling the author of this doctrine “o vain man” in v.20?

If eating meat sacrificed to idols is okay as long as your “weaker brother” is not around as described in 1st Corinthians 8, then why is this practice later described as being hated by Jesus as the “doctrine of Balaam” in Revelation 2:14? Why does Rev 2:20 condemn it when Paul says it’s okay if nobody knows about it?

Why did Paul tell the Corinthians idol meat was okay when the council at Jerusalem had specifically listed this as a forbidden practice in Acts 15:29?

Why did Paul ignore the four commands of the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 telling the Galatians in 2:10 they were only commanded to “remember the poor”?

If Paul appeared in Jerusalem in Acts 9:26 after his conversion, then why does he tell the Galatians in 1:18 that he waited three years to go? Why does he assure us in v.20 he is not lying?

If the “other gospel” Paul speaks of in Galatians 1:6 was not the very one taught by Peter, James and John, then why does Paul attack the character of these three men in Galatians 2?

Why did Paul accuse Peter “before them all” when Jesus said in Matthew 18:15-17 to first confront a brother privately, then with two witnesses before going public?

Why did Paul criticize Peter for being Jewish around the jewish people and Gentile around the Gentiles in Galatians 2:14 when this is precisely what Paul says he himself practices in 1st Corinthians 9:20-22?

If the gospel of the circumcision was committed to Paul and the gospel of the jewish people to Peter as Paul claims in Galatians 2:7, then why does Peter claim just the opposite in Acts 15:7?

Why does Paul, now 17 years into his ministry fear in Galatians 2:3 that he “had run in vain”?

If obeying the law is bondage as Paul claims in Galatians 4:9, then why did Jesus tell the man in Mark 10:17 that he must “obey the commandments” to “have eternal life”. Was Jesus trying to bring that man into bondage?

If the covenant at Sinai was given to the descendants of Rebecca and Isaac, then why does Paul try to relate it instead to Hagar in Galatians 4:25?

Why did Paul circumcise Timothy in Acts 16:1-3 and then tell him 1) It causes Christ to profit him nothing, 2) He is now a debtor to the whole law and 3) He is fallen from grace in Galatians 5:2-4? Why would Paul do such a terrible thing to Timothy? Did Paul hate Timothy?

If God brought the children of Israel to Sinai to put them in bondage to the law as Paul claims in Galatians, then why did he tell them at that time he was bringing them “out of bondage” in Exodus 2:2? Was this some cruel trick God was playing on them?

If the law puts is in bondage, why does God say he “redeemed you out of the house of bondage” in Deuteronomy 13:5?

If Jesus abolished the law as Paul claims in Ephesians 2:15, then why does Jesus say in Matthew 5:17 that he did not come to destroy the law? Why does Jesus say it will not pass until AFTER heaven and earth have (v.17) passed away? Has that already happened? What does verse 18 say Paul’s place in the kingdom of heaven be as a result?

Paul claims in Ephesians 3:3 to have knowledge of mysteries of God revealed only through him. Paul bears witness of himself even though Jesus says he himself could not in John 5:31. Is Paul superior to Jesus?

Paul speaks in Ephesians 6:19 of making known a “mystery of the gospel.” Why wasn’t this mystery shared with the 12 apostles Jesus spent 3 ½ years training?

If Paul could be given all knowledge with a single blinding flash, then why did Jesus spend his entire ministry training apostles? Why didn’t he just zap them?

Paul says in Philippians 2:7 that Jesus came in the “likeness of men”. Paul claims in Romans 8:3 that Jesus came in the “likeness of sinful flesh.” 1st John says anyone who says that Christ came in something other than flesh is of the spirit of antichrist. This is known in theology as the doctrine of docetism. Why is Paul excused for teaching this doctrine?

If the law is a curse as Paul alleges, then why should we “establish the law” in Romans 3:31?

If the “mysteries of God” were revealed through a single man Paul as he claims in Colossians 1:23-26 and elsewhere, then what grounds do we have for rejecting Joseph Smith, Mohammed, the Pope and many others who claim exactly the same thing?

If the law was “against us” as Paul claims in Colossians 2:14, then why do Deuteronomy 17:19, Proverbs 6:23 and Proverbs 13:14 say it’s the way to life?

Why does Paul say we can do what we want with the Sabbath days in Colossians 2:16 when the Ten Commandments say, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.”?

Who has authorized Paul to give new commandments as he does in 1st Thessalonians 4:2?

Who is the authority Paul is demanding people to obey in 2nd Thessalonians 3:14?

Paul commands in 3:6-7 that we obey the traditions he commands. Did Jesus ever tell us we should obey Paul?

Exactly what did Paul do to Hymeneus and Alexander in 1st Timothy 1:20 to deliver them to satan? Did he kill them? Is it normal for a minister of God to deliver people to Satan?

Is Paul’s practice of rebuking before all in 1st Timothy 5:20 consistent with Jesus admonitions in Matthew 18:15-17?

Why was Paul seeking a prophet in 1st Corinthians 14:37 to endorse his commands? Is there a prophet on record ever having done so?

If the men that were on the Damascus road heard the voice that spoke to Paul in Acts 9:7, then why does Paul change his story in Acts 22:9 saying they didn’t hear it? Is it possible these men refuted his
earlier story?

Why does Paul claim in Acts 9:10-16 that his mission to the Gentiles was delivered through Ananias but then refute it later saying it was told to him directly by Jesus without going to Damascus later in Acts 26:16-18? Could it be that Ananias refused to support his earlier story and he had to change it?

Why does Paul say he is ready to die at Jerusalem in Acts 21:13 and then instead “appeal to Caesar” in Acts 25:11?

According to Acts 21:20-21, Paul stood accused by believers in Jesus. That means they believed in his resurrection. Paul was accused by them of teaching believers to forsake the Law of Moses. Why did Paul lie in Acts 23:6 he was being accused instead of believing in the resurrection? Did Jesus ever lie to save his hide?

Why does Paul criticize those who “go to law” before unbelievers instead of with one another in 1st Corinthians 6:1-8, but then “appeal to Caesar” when he is accused by fellow believers (Acts 21:20) in Jesus?

Why did Jesus tell the original Apostles to “go unto all nations” in Matthew 28:19 and then take this away from them in Galatians 2 leaving twelve guys to minister to the jewish people and only one guy in charge of the Gentiles?

Why did Jesus keep his Apostles in the dark about Paul in Matthew 28? Why didn’t he tell them a new guy would be showing up making some changes in the plan?

If Gamaliel encouraged everyone to leave the believers in Jesus alone in Acts 5:34, and if Paul was his student as Paul claims in Acts 22:3, then why was Paul trying to do exactly the opposite as his teacher was teaching?

Why would Paul grumble about apostles “chosen of men” in Galatians 1:1 if he did not covet the apostleship given to Mathias in Acts 1:23-26?

If the writings of Paul are confusing as 2nd Peter 3:15-16 affirms, then why did the Holy Spirit write confusing things through Paul and not through others?

Why does Paul quote the Greek philosopher Philo in Titus 1:12? Does the Holy Spirit quote philosophers as resources?

After calling himself an apostle 16 times in Rom 1:1, 11:13, 1st Cor 1:1, 9:1, 9:2, 15:9, 2nd Cor 1:1, 12:12, Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1, Col 1:1, 1Tim 1:1, 1Tim 2:7, 2Tim 1:1, 1:11 and Titus 1:1, why does Paul drop all claims of apostleship when on the hotseat in Jerusalem claiming in Acts 26:16 only to be a “minister and a witness”?

The only one of Paul’s churches that is considered a “candlestick” in Revelation 1:11 is the one that is complimented for rejecting him. Coincidence? Where are the Corinthians? The church at Rome? Galatians? Colossians? Considering Revelation 2:5, could it be they lost their candlestick?

Why does Paul say in Galatians 4:8-9 that the law was ordained by angels when Exodus 20 clearly says it is given by God?

If Jesus says in Matthew 22:38 the law and the prophets hang on two great commandments, why does Paul OMIT the most important one saying in Galatians 5:14 the law is fulfilled in the second one only?
(Note, James 2:8 calls “love thy neighbor” the “royal law” without saying it’s the ONLY one.)

Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says God will test us with false prophets to see if we love him with all our heart. Could this be true?

If you took out all the books that Paul wrote in the scriptures, would it be a completely different message than if you left them in? And would that let the rest of the scriptures make more sense/less contradictory? Does any other books have the same effect?

This should help clarify where all the confusion came from. ONLY watch this if you are NOT completely indoctrinated beyond all hope, or this will just make you angry...

p.s. - this is not me, but I agree with his assessment.



p.s. - He was from the tribe of Dan. Their symbol was: The Wolf. anybody have any ears???

Last Edited by Spirit Walker on 05/03/2012 07:22 PM
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I know this is a lot to swallow for people raised in the church as I was, so take some time to consider these questions for yourself. If you would like some next steps, I'll post responses to questions on that, but probably won't respond too much to long debates with circular logic involved. I'll let you win. ;) Just consider EVER question and what the ramafications are of the answers you recieve.
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I agree that He was a false Prophet . He fails all the tests in Deuteronomy that we are Commanded to follow . Peace . hf
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I also recommend printing these out and answering each question with a friend. That always helps understanding.

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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.
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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.
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Yes, they did in 2 Pet 3:15. But who is a better deciever: Somebody that uses 5% truth, and 95% lie, or somebody that uses 95% truth, and 5% lie?
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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.
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+1
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OP is offering you the Truth! Paul wrote most of the NT, as Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John could neither read nor write!
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you judaizers are still upset because you refused Jesus when he came the first time.

Jesus said the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation that renders fruit in due season.

Wanna throw out what Jesus said as well?

You all can't handle the fact that at the cross, things went from PHYSICAL Israel to SPIRITUAL Israel. As Jesus said to Nicodemas, you must be REBORN in SPIRIT.

Funny how Peter and the others agreed with Paul too. Paul was chosen by God, Mattias was chosen by drawing straws. Jesus chose Paul as he did the others.

Did you ever hear from Mattias again?

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J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil.

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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.


Yes, they did in 2 Pet 3:15. But who is a better deciever: Somebody that uses 5% truth, and 95% lie, or somebody that uses 95% truth, and 5% lie?
 Quoting: Tribe of Judah

well I guess you'll have to decide for yourself-like Paul wrote-test the spirits.

Some folks believe the old testament only.
Some folks believe the new testament only.
Some believe the whole thing.
Some believe none of it.
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Funny how Peter and the others agreed with Paul too.
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Only because Peter and the others DIDN'T write anything......Paul wrote it in their place!!! :(
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Here is a great piece on it . It is done by an attorney and he fight his case very well , it will open eyes and ears . God Bless .

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]
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Funny how Peter and the others agreed with Paul too.

Only because Peter and the others DIDN'T write anything......Paul wrote it in their place!!! :(
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link?
J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil.

Truth, beauty and virtue ... all the things that THEY hate. All the things God loves.
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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.
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Read the story of Balaam . He was a real prophet of God and then turned and went the other way . Jesus mentions a modern-day Balaam in Revelations , look it up . DO NOT BE DECEIVED .
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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.


Yes, they did in 2 Pet 3:15. But who is a better deciever: Somebody that uses 5% truth, and 95% lie, or somebody that uses 95% truth, and 5% lie?
 Quoting: Tribe of Judah


another question that sounds kind of mean, but it's a good one to think about. Mormans love Joseph's message as well, but do you think God would say, "o, well since you enjoy the message, I guess that's okay"? Is that something you would find the Messiah saying?
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Funny how Peter and the others agreed with Paul too.

Only because Peter and the others DIDN'T write anything......Paul wrote it in their place!!! :(





link?
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[link to www.phoenixmaterials.org]
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Christianity is fraud.
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Read the story of Balaam . He was a real prophet of God and then turned and went the other way . Jesus mentions a modern-day Balaam in Revelations , look it up . DO NOT BE DECEIVED .
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There have been many deceivers but usually their message is not to believe in Christ.

Paul never led away from Jesus.
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you judaizers are still upset because you refused Jesus when he came the first time.

Jesus said the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation that renders fruit in due season.

Wanna throw out what Jesus said as well?

You all can't handle the fact that at the cross, things went from PHYSICAL Israel to SPIRITUAL Israel. As Jesus said to Nicodemas, you must be REBORN in SPIRIT.

Funny how Peter and the others agreed with Paul too. Paul was chosen by God, Mattias was chosen by drawing straws. Jesus chose Paul as he did the others.

Did you ever hear from Mattias again?

Your felsh doesn't make you more holy fool!
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Did you read any of the questions? Or are you just afraid of what it will tell you?
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I like pauls message .Even the other apostles accepted his message.


Yes, they did in 2 Pet 3:15. But who is a better deciever: Somebody that uses 5% truth, and 95% lie, or somebody that uses 95% truth, and 5% lie?


another question that sounds kind of mean, but it's a good one to think about. Mormans love Joseph's message as well, but do you think God would say, "o, well since you enjoy the message, I guess that's okay"? Is that something you would find the Messiah saying?
 Quoting: Tribe of Judah

Yep: Joseph Smith same as Paul........wrote his own version! :(
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That is an AMAZING COLLECTION there.
Kudos and hat tip.
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Paul never led away from Jesus.
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I disagree! Paul(the Pharisee) has corrupted the Real Teachings in many places........like: "Let women keep silent in the Churches", for example! :(
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Christianity is fraud.
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Parts of it yes. Most of it came from the Roman Greek religion and they used some early christian stories and destroyed all the Messiah's work and melded it with their own religion. This is why YHVH says:

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein." Jer 6:16
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OP is offering you the Truth! Paul wrote most of the NT, as Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John could neither read nor write!
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Matthew and Luke could definitely read and write, the other 2 could have learned during the 40-60 years between the time of the crucifixion and the time of the writing of those documents...

Based on these questions, I would say the person who wrote these is either a) Jewish b) oppressed by a spirit of religion and doesn't like the fact that the Messiah set the religious captives free.

I can answer all of these questions but won't even bother because if you can read the Bible and not grasp the Messiah's ministry then you're obviously not one who has been called by HaShem.
Total Protonic Reversal...
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"Let women keep silent in the Churches", for example! :(
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lemme guess....your a woman

rolleyes
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op

jesus is a lie also. the whole NT is BS!

there is only 1. YAH is his name!
this is the reason Israel went into captivity in the first place. they started serving other gods.

there was a great thread yesterday on the subject.
i'll see if i can find it.

you gotta keep digging for the truth op and the Most High will give it to you.
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Jewish, just as I thought.

If you want to go that far as far as the Christian religion, The idea of the Tetragrammaton originated in Phoenicia and is not a Hebrew invention.

yhwh
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In the new testament there was only ONE BLIND PHARISEE

This is the man who cast the first stone against the first christian martyr: St Stephen.

He never recovered from his blindness, because it made him unable to write the epistles by his own hand. He "worte his letters too large".

His blindness was not healed because he never repented, saying that God had sent him to chastise the apostles.

In describing the curse Jesus had placed against him, he referred to it as coming from "a messenger of satan".

He said that after making the boast of having the highest humility, and he lies about the fact that he IS boasting, and he even lies about telling the truth:
"Even if I were to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be telling the truth, but I refrain."

So damned is the blind hypocrite Pharisee and all who fall into his pit.

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"Let women keep silent in the Churches", for example! :(

lemme guess....your a woman

rolleyes
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LOL......wrong! lol

At least last time I checked........ ohyeah
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"Let women keep silent in the Churches", for example! :(

lemme guess....your a woman

rolleyes

LOL......wrong! lol

At least last time I checked........ ohyeah
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kinda hard to tell from your AV

ohno
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Matthew and Luke could definitely read and write,
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Were you their? My Teacher's claim that THEY were.......and I'm pretty convinced that they are telling the Truth!

Based on these questions, I would say the person who wrote these is either a) Jewish b) oppressed by a spirit of religion and doesn't like the fact that the Messiah set the religious captives free.
 Quoting: GUANO

Or C: Telling the Truth?





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