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What REALLY killed the birds... And the fish.

 
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What REALLY killed the birds... And the fish.
What really killed the birds.

It's your basic localised supercharged low pressure bubbles, due to the magnetic fluctuations causing high energy particles to stream into minor holes in the lower magnetosphere.

The supercharged particles are heated from the energy and a lot become ionised and spread out to cause a relatively small sphere of low pressure and little oxygen, most the oxygen will be ionised and useless anyway.

Can only be sustained via a constant input of energy and so most are short-lived.

Nothing sinister, the low pressure knocks them out cold from lack of oxygen, some wake up as they leave the low pressure bubble, but they have already suffered severe internal damage from the lack of oxygen and the sudden low pressure that they cannot continue to fly.

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What really killed the fish.

The same thing killed the fish as did the birds, instead of creating a low pressure zone and ionising the air, most of the supercharge that the water recieved went directly into the fish.

Because it was the easiest place for it to go to.

Path of least resistance and everything. The water that the fish had in them was mostly contained and the charge broke apart the molecules flash producing hydrogen and oxygen, which in effect drowned the fish, while giving them a slight electrocution.

The charge that didn't enter the fish would of been dissapated into heat.

Then as the source of the 'electricity' dissappeared (the crack closed) the hydrogen and oxygen combined back into water and the excess energy dissapated as heat.

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There you go, The birds suffocated in air and the fish drowned in water.

Adding some links:

Thread: 8,000 Doves dead in Italy- NEW "Blue stain believed to be sign of poisoning or hypoxia - lack of oxygen that is precursor to altitude sickness"

Weather radar shows something unusual around time birds fell Thread: Weather radar shows something unusual around time birds fell

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It's your basic localised supercharged low pressure bubbles, due to the magnetic fluctuations causing high energy particles to stream into minor holes in the lower magnetosphere.

The supercharged particles are heated from the energy and a lot become ionised and spread out to cause a relatively small sphere of low pressure and little oxygen, most the oxygen will be ionised and useless anyway.

Can only be sustained via a constant input of energy and so most are short-lived.

Nothing sinister, the low pressure knocks them out cold from lack of oxygen, some wake up as they leave the low pressure bubble, but they have already suffered severe internal damage from the lack of oxygen and the sudden low pressure that they cannot continue to fly.
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so a CME zapped 'em?
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so a CME zapped 'em?
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Well not quite.

Many things can cause that effect, from a gamma ray burst, to a magnetic flux tube connection event to the sun combined with a weak point on the magnetosphere, to your background noise of solar particles just finding a crack.

To other cosmic rays getting in, To lightning striking through there and many many more. Take your pick.

May of not of even been the magnetic fluctuations, but is more likely given the amount of bird deaths.

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It's your basic localised supercharged low pressure bubbles, due to the magnetic fluctuations causing high energy particles to stream into minor holes in the lower magnetosphere.

The supercharged particles are heated from the energy and a lot become ionised and spread out to cause a relatively small sphere of low pressure and little oxygen, most the oxygen will be ionised and useless anyway.

Can only be sustained via a constant input of energy and so most are short-lived.

Nothing sinister, the low pressure knocks them out cold from lack of oxygen, some wake up as they leave the low pressure bubble, but they have already suffered severe internal damage from the lack of oxygen and the sudden low pressure that they cannot continue to fly.
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Good hypothesis
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If it's a "basic" occurrence as you say, then why does it not happen with regularity?
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If it's a "basic" occurrence as you say, then why does it not happen with regularity?
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It is and has done.

Just a bit more magnetically unstable of late so more are reported.
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It's your basic localised supercharged low pressure bubbles, due to the magnetic fluctuations causing high energy particles to stream into minor holes in the lower magnetosphere.

The supercharged particles are heated from the energy and a lot become ionised and spread out to cause a relatively small sphere of low pressure and little oxygen, most the oxygen will be ionised and useless anyway.

Can only be sustained via a constant input of energy and so most are short-lived.

Nothing sinister, the low pressure knocks them out cold from lack of oxygen, some wake up as they leave the low pressure bubble, but they have already suffered severe internal damage from the lack of oxygen and the sudden low pressure that they cannot continue to fly.
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So this is a 'natural' occurrence? Why have we not heard of this many bird deaths before (in such a short period of time)?
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If it's a "basic" occurrence as you say, then why does it not happen with regularity?


It is and has done.

Just a bit more magnetically unstable of late so more are reported.
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I'm middle aged and can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.
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So this is a 'natural' occurrence? Why have we not heard of this many bird deaths before (in such a short period of time)?
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See post above yours.

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It's your basic localised supercharged low pressure bubbles, due to the magnetic fluctuations causing high energy particles to stream into minor holes in the lower magnetosphere.

The supercharged particles are heated from the energy and a lot become ionised and spread out to cause a relatively small sphere of low pressure and little oxygen, most the oxygen will be ionised and useless anyway.

Can only be sustained via a constant input of energy and so most are short-lived.

Nothing sinister, the low pressure knocks them out cold from lack of oxygen, some wake up as they leave the low pressure bubble, but they have already suffered severe internal damage from the lack of oxygen and the sudden low pressure that they cannot continue to fly.
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What about the fish and such?
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I'm middle aged and can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.
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Yes given they have been more common recently, but there has been the odd sporadic event of this happening throughout history.
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What about the fish and such?
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Working on that, give me a while.
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I'm middle aged and can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.


Yes given they have been more common recently, but there has been the odd sporadic event of this happening throughout history.
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When and where?
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There ya go, added the fish.
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I'm middle aged and can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.


Yes given they have been more common recently, but there has been the odd sporadic event of this happening throughout history.

When and where?
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Bit busy, but looking through google to get some links, problem is that all the recent events are clogging up the search. And furthermore all that which hasn't made it to the internet from before and the early years of when the internet came about.

Most will just be in very old newspapers and folklore or just lost to time.

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so, something like betelgeuse then?
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Should I sun-screan my cat?
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I'm middle aged and can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.


Yes given they have been more common recently, but there has been the odd sporadic event of this happening throughout history.

When and where?


Bit busy, but looking through google to get some links, problem is that all the recent events are clogging up the search. And furthermore all that which hasn't made it to the internet from before and the early years of when the internet came about.

Most will just be in very old newspapers and folklore or just lost to time.
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just use ADV search on here

the first report on GLP was in October 2005 about an event in China, but that event was ACTUALLY in early 2004..

Thread: Mystery as dead birds rain down

here's some historical reports..

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So we should expect with the intensification of solar cycle 24 that not only will these events become more freuqent, but they will also become stronger, perhaps strong enough to negatively affect larger species?
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just use ADV search on here

the first report on GLP was in October 2005 about an event in China, but that event was ACTUALLY in early 2004..

Thread: Mystery as dead birds rain down

here's some historical reports..

[link to content.usatoday.com]
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Thanks, I knew I'd seen it all somewhere before.
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Should I sun-screan my cat?
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No, unless you think it would be funny :)
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The human race's filthy and disgusting way of life ! Duhhhhhhhhh people are sooooooo stupid.

Go in to Home Depot and see how many poisons there are for your house and around your house. We are a filthy and disgusting dirty and degenerate people.
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so, something like betelgeuse then?
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No, although there is no reason that it couldn't be a source of this.
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so, something like betelgeuse then?


No, although there is no reason that it couldn't be a source of this.
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oh, right, so you're saying it is GRBs from EVERYWHERE that do this?
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so, something like betelgeuse then?


No, although there is no reason that it couldn't be a source of this.


oh, right, so you're saying it is GRBs from EVERYWHERE that do this?
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I'm saying it could be gamma rays from anywhere that can do this. Along with any of the number of other reasons I gave. and more.
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And people will blame it on everything but themselves and their own ways of living. Blame it on the moon and the sun and supernovas and the government and whatever the fuck else. All except themselves.

and now that you got these home poisons question is .....how are you going to get rid of them if you change your mind and not want them anymore ? Throw them away of course. Somewhere in nature where something else lives.


People are retarded. I swear to God people are dumb.
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And people will blame it on everything but themselves and their own ways of living. Blame it on the moon and the sun and supernovas and the government and whatever the fuck else. All except themselves.

and now that you got these home poisons question is .....how are you going to get rid of them if you change your mind and not want them anymore ? Throw them away of course. Somewhere in nature where something else lives.


People are retarded. I swear to God people are dumb.
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Not everyone is as dirty as americans.
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OTOC..so..can you speculate regarding larger living forms? What about the homo sapien? charlie
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A flock of birds getting downed in a storm here or there is normal. Even the odd flock crashing without a clear explanation will happen. Yet this is seemingly (and once again, it may just be the Internets that make it seem that way compared to years past) occurring all over the world in un-related places with various species of birds, fish and crustaceans.
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