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If Astrology is true... that would mean ALL SIGNS are now RELOCATED what ever degres in the progressed the Pole Shift is happening.

Interesting....
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This is one of the dumbest things I have heard yet.

The pole movement that is going viral on the internet is a 'magnetic pole' movement. It does not change the Earths north pole location, it has nothing to do with the tilt of the Earth or Earths wobble....it has nothing to do with the Earth-Sun-Stars locations/positions.

Magnetic poles move, always. It is being said that the north magnetic pole is moving a bit faster then normal-and we can save that argument for another thread.

Astrology.....is bunk anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its been 'bunk' since it stopped observing the true night sky and began to use a fixed wheel that does not respect the wobble of the Earth over time as well as did not respect there are many more constellations then 12 that the Sun, Moon, and Planets pass in front of.
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Let me take that back....and rephrase to say it better...

MODERN DAY Astrology is bunk....

Im sure there are cultures/people out there that still follow the true night sky with observations....

Ancient use of Astrology...went hand in hand with Astronomy...the true positions of the stars with the Sun, Moon, and Planets.
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No, you were correct to start with...astrology is complete BS.
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No, you were correct to start with...astrology is complete BS.
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Ancient use of Astrology...went hand in hand with Astronomy...the true positions of the stars with the Sun, Moon, and Planets.
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I agree; where it became bunk and B.S. was when TPTB removed the astrological sign Ophiuchus from the Zodiac resulting in erroneous astrology for the masses from that point forward.
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no the stars are still where they were when you were born!

astrology = still valid.

however look into the "New Astrology". its better.
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no the stars are still where they were when you were born!

astrology = still valid.

however look into the "New Astrology". its better.
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I looked into that 'new astrology'...it seems a lady has named her own site such and uses western astrology. Western Astrology is 80% out of date/alignment and does not acknowledge our true cosmos.
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If Astrology is true... that would mean ALL SIGNS are now RELOCATED what ever degres in the progressed the Pole Shift is happening.

Interesting....
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As other posters have pointed out to you, the physical pole is not shifting:
Thread: There is no physical "pole shift." (Update: There is still no physical "pole shift.")
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Crap! I was supposed to win the lottery today!!!!
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If Astrology is true... that would mean ALL SIGNS are now RELOCATED what ever degres in the progressed the Pole Shift is happening.

Interesting....
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Stupid much you be, eh, little grass-sucker?
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ET's may have abducted OP and replaced brain with an anvil...

Pole shift = electromagnetism effect. Pole shift <> axis of rotation change.

Pole shift does not change attitude of planet with respect to stars. Only change of axis of rotation will do that.

Things are bad enough without additional amounts of ignorance being added to the stew.
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I am a psychic astrologer with a 99% success rate in my readings I give to my clients.

I use Astrology combined with my visions to interpret their life situations. I have never had a client who wasn't exactly as their natal charts depicts them....

if you know your birth time get your natal chart.

then judge for yourself if astrology is bunk.

obviously you know nothing about true astrology.
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I am a psychic astrologer with a 99% success rate in my readings I give to my clients.

I use Astrology combined with my visions to interpret their life situations. I have never had a client who wasn't exactly as their natal charts depicts them....

if you know your birth time get your natal chart.

then judge for yourself if astrology is bunk.

obviously you know nothing about true astrology.
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The reason this works so well for you is that people carry these traits naturally...you give them old/past traits nature...that they have already been of.

What you fail to give them is the purpose for this life, what they must work on in this life.

Another thing is that any spiritual path is for the 'seeker' to seek...so I find it wrong to give readings.

What Saturn means for one person, is not going to be the same for all people. What Mars means for one is not going to be the same for all. ITs a personal path for the seeker to seek what energies they 'feel' and part of that is going out and observing some of these spheres....keeping an eye out for spheres to return to where they were at their birth and step out and 'feel' the energy.
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Everything is energy...and we all have a inner compass to the energy of the Universe.

Giving the true positions of things, then observing these positions...is like resetting a broken compass.

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Example...astrology tells me Im Virgo. Virgo is very natural for me, always has been.

Later in life I discovered the Sun really sat in Leo at my birth. The month I discovered this and observed it...the most influential event of my entire life occurred.

Leo offers me what I need to work on and with in this life...Virgo being more natural to me for if I would of been born in the last age (a couple thousand years ago) on the same month and day that I am born on now...I would of been a Virgo. So I carry those traits already...

In the true night sky...Venus was in Sextans at my birth. Again, Astrology failed to let me know of this and this has had a huge impact on my life since knowing this.
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Example...astrology tells me Im Virgo. Virgo is very natural for me, always has been.

Later in life I discovered the Sun really sat in Leo at my birth. The month I discovered this and observed it...the most influential event of my entire life occurred.

Leo offers me what I need to work on and with in this life...Virgo being more natural to me for if I would of been born in the last age (a couple thousand years ago) on the same month and day that I am born on now...I would of been a Virgo. So I carry those traits already...

In the true night sky...Venus was in Sextans at my birth. Again, Astrology failed to let me know of this and this has had a huge impact on my life since knowing this.
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Well to address both of your statements - I do give personal and address personal life paths.

I deal with transits, conjunctions, and karma - and within karma is where I can find a persons life path (north node and south node astrology).

My and my husbands south node and north node accurately depicts why he and I got together in the first place, and what our connection to each other's life lessons is. It is powerful and it helps us overcome any challenges we have as a couple.

Astrology is a very accurate science and if at all possible everyone should have a personal astrologist if they cannot learn the science themselves.
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This is one of the dumbest things I have heard yet.

The pole movement that is going viral on the internet is a 'magnetic pole' movement. It does not change the Earths north pole location, it has nothing to do with the tilt of the Earth or Earths wobble....it has nothing to do with the Earth-Sun-Stars locations/positions.

Magnetic poles move, always. It is being said that the north magnetic pole is moving a bit faster then normal-and we can save that argument for another thread.

Astrology.....is bunk anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its been 'bunk' since it stopped observing the true night sky and began to use a fixed wheel that does not respect the wobble of the Earth over time as well as did not respect there are many more constellations then 12 that the Sun, Moon, and Planets pass in front of.
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Yes, there are 88 constellations total, Its called the Mazzoroth,

Argo the ship is also Noahs Ark.
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Example...astrology tells me Im Virgo. Virgo is very natural for me, always has been.

Later in life I discovered the Sun really sat in Leo at my birth. The month I discovered this and observed it...the most influential event of my entire life occurred.

Leo offers me what I need to work on and with in this life...Virgo being more natural to me for if I would of been born in the last age (a couple thousand years ago) on the same month and day that I am born on now...I would of been a Virgo. So I carry those traits already...

In the true night sky...Venus was in Sextans at my birth. Again, Astrology failed to let me know of this and this has had a huge impact on my life since knowing this.



Well to address both of your statements - I do give personal and address personal life paths.

I deal with transits, conjunctions, and karma - and within karma is where I can find a persons life path (north node and south node astrology).

My and my husbands south node and north node accurately depicts why he and I got together in the first place, and what our connection to each other's life lessons is. It is powerful and it helps us overcome any challenges we have as a couple.

Astrology is a very accurate science and if at all possible everyone should have a personal astrologist if they cannot learn the science themselves.
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Yes, the Freemasons study how accurate astrology is, Have a good Morningstar placement and you turn out gifted in the arts, literature or music.
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Example...astrology tells me Im Virgo. Virgo is very natural for me, always has been.

Later in life I discovered the Sun really sat in Leo at my birth. The month I discovered this and observed it...the most influential event of my entire life occurred.

Leo offers me what I need to work on and with in this life...Virgo being more natural to me for if I would of been born in the last age (a couple thousand years ago) on the same month and day that I am born on now...I would of been a Virgo. So I carry those traits already...

In the true night sky...Venus was in Sextans at my birth. Again, Astrology failed to let me know of this and this has had a huge impact on my life since knowing this.
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Yes, most definately,

Im so much a Goat Cappy, But need to aspire to being more Sagitarrius, so both signs are important...

I was born a Capricorn in Western signs cause of residual karma I need to work off, But I need to aspire to be more the other sign where the sun actually is.
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Giving a reading or consultation is no more wrong that a doctor/medicine man/ or psychologist giving consultation. I have helped couples in their relationships, I have helped people dealing with anger issues, emotional issues etc. All most people want to know is -why? and it is a great feeling to be able to assist them in recognize planetary influences so that they are able to accept CHANGE more readily and smoothly.

Readings are as ancient as they come, many of my relatives are priests and priestesses in tradition. This is our culture - this is how we heal and direct our own.
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It is not healthy to give people predictions or destinations with the stars.

People must make choices for valid inner reasons. Once you 'set' a persons path then their choices may not have true intent.

We are creators...we create our paths and there are many possibilities along each path...its not set in stone. What you are seeing in peoples paths is only ONE possiblitiy and this limits them to their true potentials and does not help them rely on their own reasoning.

As I said...astrology rings true to people because they are already of those traits you are giving them...for those positions you use are from THEIR PAST...and have become natural to them.

For a higher path....one finds they are of all the signs, spheres, ect...and can look at all the signs and see what is already natural to them from many past lives and what they still need to work on in this life.

The cosmos can also show a person if they came here by choice and their path is not really about things to work on with the self but more for a unity purpose amongst fellow man and earth. BUT>...they need to discover this themselves of what means what to them through observation and seeking.

Its very similar to the idea of God....how can you ask another man what 'god' is...and come out with true understanding? If you dont seek for yourself and have a honest path of seeking on your own....will you really discover truth for yourself, are you really growing in Spirit by going by what another man has told you??

Same with the cosmic energy...we should not rely on another man to tell us what things mean for each of us personally...another man can give us positions...but the path of seeking meaning is up to each individual. If they dont really want to seek...they are not really ready to know. So the 'natural traits' that you gave them will be enough for them to get by with anyways.

The true positions, is not for the ones not ready to observe and seek within them.
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when I am observing how current transits affect me, I have to look at which houses the planets are currently in - in relation to my own natal chart - and well as the degree and relationships [squares - conjunctions etc]

Im often too busy with my work with others to spend alot of time on my own - but spirit has a way of correcting all so-called 'inaccuracies'


because at the heart of every science is spirit. and spirit will lead you through the changes that may have developed over time.

and also the 13th house wasn't removed - it is still there and astrologers like myself are aware of it.
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Giving a reading or consultation is no more wrong that a doctor/medicine man/ or psychologist giving consultation. I have helped couples in their relationships, I have helped people dealing with anger issues, emotional issues etc. All most people want to know is -why? and it is a great feeling to be able to assist them in recognize planetary influences so that they are able to accept CHANGE more readily and smoothly.

Readings are as ancient as they come, many of my relatives are priests and priestesses in tradition. This is our culture - this is how we heal and direct our own.
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Yes it is...because you are dealing with spiritual things and spiritual things must be sought on a personal path. We are not talking about cough do colds here.

Man has been leaning on fellow man to tell him about his own self, his own god, his own path....for far too long.

Spiritual things are a personal journey...if you are not ready for it to be such...then you are not ready for your compass to be aligned anyways.

We are reaching a generation that are true seekers...they seek 'alone' and they seek with their own reasoning. Those ready to do such are not going to ask for a reading from another man. They will look it up for themselves or look for meaning within them of what things mean to them.

Giving readings of peoples futures is harmful.
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when I am observing how current transits affect me, I have to look at which houses the planets are currently in - in relation to my own natal chart - and well as the degree and relationships [squares - conjunctions etc]

Im often too busy with my work with others to spend alot of time on my own - but spirit has a way of correcting all so-called 'inaccuracies'


because at the heart of every science is spirit. and spirit will lead you through the changes that may have developed over time.

and also the 13th house wasn't removed - it is still there and astrologers like myself are aware of it.
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What about when the Sun is on the cusp of Orion...or the moon or planets are in Sextans, Cetus, Serpens, Coma Berenices, Bootes, do you include these?

Right now...Saturn is in Virgo...99% of western astrologist tell people its in Libra. What say you?
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So since you are aware of Ophiuchus...does this mean you use it in charts?
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It is not healthy to give people predictions or destinations with the stars.

People must make choices for valid inner reasons. Once you 'set' a persons path then their choices may not have true intent.

We are creators...we create our paths and there are many possibilities along each path...its not set in stone. What you are seeing in peoples paths is only ONE possiblitiy and this limits them to their true potentials and does not help them rely on their own reasoning.

As I said...astrology rings true to people because they are already of those traits you are giving them...for those positions you use are from THEIR PAST...and have become natural to them.

For a higher path....one finds they are of all the signs, spheres, ect...and can look at all the signs and see what is already natural to them from many past lives and what they still need to work on in this life.

The cosmos can also show a person if they came here by choice and their path is not really about things to work on with the self but more for a unity purpose amongst fellow man and earth. BUT>...they need to discover this themselves of what means what to them through observation and seeking.

Its very similar to the idea of God....how can you ask another man what 'god' is...and come out with true understanding? If you dont seek for yourself and have a honest path of seeking on your own....will you really discover truth for yourself, are you really growing in Spirit by going by what another man has told you??

Same with the cosmic energy...we should not rely on another man to tell us what things mean for each of us personally...another man can give us positions...but the path of seeking meaning is up to each individual. If they dont really want to seek...they are not really ready to know. So the 'natural traits' that you gave them will be enough for them to get by with anyways.

The true positions, is not for the ones not ready to observe and seek within them.
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astrological consultations are not predictions.
I dont give predictions i give information that assists in one choosing their own destiny.

astrology outlines a person operating on either their best - or higher self or operating on their lower self.

it is imperative to know your highs and lows - as a guidepost. or to know someone elses.

for instance my husband is a virgo sun/scorpio rising and at times can seem like dr. jekyll and mr hyde.

knowing my husbands chart enables me to not push the 'mr. hyde button' unnecessarily.

my great grandfathers were traditional healers, whom people went to for the same reasons people come to me.

and its interesting how you say 'its not right to do so and so' but on the path to spirit or god or whatever you call it know that 'judgment' based on your own values and experiences is probably the greatest crime against spirituality that exists.

I dont know whats right or wrong for you, but i have a rock solid marriage with my husband because of my knowledge.

a true astrologer is not a 'soothsayer', an astrologer is a scientist that brings the knowledge of the stars to you for YOU to take that information and do whatever you please with it [free will].
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Giving a reading or consultation is no more wrong that a doctor/medicine man/ or psychologist giving consultation. I have helped couples in their relationships, I have helped people dealing with anger issues, emotional issues etc. All most people want to know is -why? and it is a great feeling to be able to assist them in recognize planetary influences so that they are able to accept CHANGE more readily and smoothly.

Readings are as ancient as they come, many of my relatives are priests and priestesses in tradition. This is our culture - this is how we heal and direct our own.


Yes it is...because you are dealing with spiritual things and spiritual things must be sought on a personal path. We are not talking about cough do colds here.

Man has been leaning on fellow man to tell him about his own self, his own god, his own path....for far too long.

Spiritual things are a personal journey...if you are not ready for it to be such...then you are not ready for your compass to be aligned anyways.

We are reaching a generation that are true seekers...they seek 'alone' and they seek with their own reasoning. Those ready to do such are not going to ask for a reading from another man. They will look it up for themselves or look for meaning within them of what things mean to them.

Giving readings of peoples futures is harmful.
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we are talking about colds and cough - we are talking about spiritual healing - because all disease has its roots in spirit in my culture.
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It is not healthy to give people predictions or destinations with the stars.

People must make choices for valid inner reasons. Once you 'set' a persons path then their choices may not have true intent.

We are creators...we create our paths and there are many possibilities along each path...its not set in stone. What you are seeing in peoples paths is only ONE possiblitiy and this limits them to their true potentials and does not help them rely on their own reasoning.

As I said...astrology rings true to people because they are already of those traits you are giving them...for those positions you use are from THEIR PAST...and have become natural to them.

For a higher path....one finds they are of all the signs, spheres, ect...and can look at all the signs and see what is already natural to them from many past lives and what they still need to work on in this life.

The cosmos can also show a person if they came here by choice and their path is not really about things to work on with the self but more for a unity purpose amongst fellow man and earth. BUT>...they need to discover this themselves of what means what to them through observation and seeking.

Its very similar to the idea of God....how can you ask another man what 'god' is...and come out with true understanding? If you dont seek for yourself and have a honest path of seeking on your own....will you really discover truth for yourself, are you really growing in Spirit by going by what another man has told you??

Same with the cosmic energy...we should not rely on another man to tell us what things mean for each of us personally...another man can give us positions...but the path of seeking meaning is up to each individual. If they dont really want to seek...they are not really ready to know. So the 'natural traits' that you gave them will be enough for them to get by with anyways.

The true positions, is not for the ones not ready to observe and seek within them.


astrological consultations are not predictions.
I dont give predictions i give information that assists in one choosing their own destiny.

astrology outlines a person operating on either their best - or higher self or operating on their lower self.

it is imperative to know your highs and lows - as a guidepost. or to know someone elses.

for instance my husband is a virgo sun/scorpio rising and at times can seem like dr. jekyll and mr hyde.

knowing my husbands chart enables me to not push the 'mr. hyde button' unnecessarily.

my great grandfathers were traditional healers, whom people went to for the same reasons people come to me.

and its interesting how you say 'its not right to do so and so' but on the path to spirit or god or whatever you call it know that 'judgment' based on your own values and experiences is probably the greatest crime against spirituality that exists.

I dont know whats right or wrong for you, but i have a rock solid marriage with my husband because of my knowledge.

a true astrologer is not a 'soothsayer', an astrologer is a scientist that brings the knowledge of the stars to you for YOU to take that information and do whatever you please with it [free will].
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If the path of spiritual growth is something we rely on another to tell us about then we limit ourselves and our own true need to seek a personal path. Giving someone a 'path' in life can limit them.

Stating truth is not casting judgments. If I ask another 'what is god' or I ask another 'what do the stars mean to me'....Im not really seeking with true intent and purpose.

The soul will discover a much more in depth purpose and find growth...as they seek personally, and feel personally, what their spirit is, soul is, lifes purpose is.

We should not ever think...that we cant change something about ourselves...that some sort of trait 'just is' and is not changeable. If someone has anger issues...they should not think 'well this is just who I am...people are just going to have to deal with it'....but should be encouraged that they can work on that, change it with will and observation.
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In general charts - natal etc I don't use Ophiuchus, I use it as a reference point for deeper spirit related matters.
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And I agree...if we are dealing with someone that is depressed...there is not use in trying to heal the mind without starting with the soul.

But to ignore that bacteria and viruses (cough do colds) effect us and are a outside influence to us...is not going to be cured by knowing the stars.

Now...being in sync with the Universe and its energies can help you through sickness...but cant cure all ails.

We are part of a one...people effect us, earth effects us, the world around us effects us...being in sync with this oneness can help us stay strong, understanding, and compassionate when life is tough.

Psychological issues often cant be helped without the will of the person with he problem. We can tell them many things...but if they refuse to change their outlook on life, refuse to be open to a deeper understanding about their being, refuse to accept that life takes work and will not be easy....the stars, labels of illness, therapy....will only be able to do so much.

Please dont think Im totally disagreeing with you on all things...I feel strongly about not directing anothers path...for this takes away their true intent and wide potentials in life.