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Irish Catholic Priests Question Celibacy Rule...

 
~Marianne~
10/28/2004 04:21 PM
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Irish Catholic Priests Question Celibacy Rule
29/10/2004 08:21 AM
Reuters

Nearly 60 percent of Irish Catholic priests say celibacy should not be compulsory - but almost the same number think scrapping the rule would not help to improve recruitment levels, a survey showed yesterday.

An end to compulsory celibacy has been proposed by some Catholics as a way to answer priest shortages in Western countries but bishops have rejected calls for change.

The survey, conducted for The Irish Catholic newspaper, showed 57 percent of priests in the country thought celibacy should not be compulsory.

"However, The Irish Catholic survey found that the celibacy rule is not necessarily seen to have a bearing on the level of vocations to the priesthood," the newspaper said.

Some 60 percent of respondents believed abolishing compulsory celibacy would not lead to an increase in vocations.

But the vast majority of those surveyed did favour change in the Church, such as having permanent deacons who would perform similar functions to priests and could be married or single. Deacons would not hear confession or conduct certain ceremonies.

Of those surveyed, 59 percent were over 55 - highlighting one of the biggest problems facing the Catholic clergy over the next decade: a sharp fall in its ranks as ageing priests die or retire.

The clergy shortage - and scandals of priests sexually abusing children or having children out of wedlock - have spurred calls for reform to the celibacy rule.

But the Church´s hierarchy has staunchly defended a tradition that dates from at least the 12th century.

In March, Switzerland´s Catholic bishops refused to break ranks with the Vatican and launch far-reaching reforms. In the United States, priests began writing letters last year urging an end to celibacy but their bishops rejected the suggestion.

Some 1,300 priests responded to The Irish Catholic survey. Ireland has nearly 3,000 priests and around 90 percent of the country´s population are Catholics.

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Well one wonders WHY they can´t get recruits.. not! headbang
Kassandra
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Gee, it only took them til 2004 to come up with that brilliant idea?

Sad...sooo sad.
~Marianne~
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Yep.. I agree Kass.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Celibacy of the priests is not Biblical.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Not my fight, no dog in it
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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comment by Father Duffy on this would be nice
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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right, 4:35. Be fruitful and multiply. Catholicism is a cult, plain and simple.
Kassandra
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Catholicism is a cult, plain and simple.

Oh so, so true AC!

I actually grew up with someone who was to be ordained in the ministry...went through complete and utter hell trying to decide what he should do. Thank goodness he made the right decision...to be with woman. Did not God make man AND woman, to be together. Hello??!
Pioneer Queen
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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I´ve thought how much more effective priests would be in they could truly understand what being in love is, the pain of adultery, the joy of a child and so on if they were to ever truly experience it. Counseling someone when you´ve had the pain they´ve had is more effective "from the gut" than platitudes.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Some people feel that celibacy must have originated with Jesus Christ or his apostles. So they are surprised to read statements such as that of former Pope John XXIII, who said:

“Ecclesiastical celibacy is not a dogma. The Scriptures do not impose it. It is even easy to effect a change. I take a pen, I sign a decree and, the next day, priests who wish to may get married. But I cannot.”

Why not? One of several reasons is that it is such a deep-rooted Church tradition. The first Church council forbidding marriage for the higher clergy was held at Elvira, Spain, in the fourth century. Over the centuries, other decrees reinforced this. Then, during the period of the Protestant Reformation of the sixteenth century, the Council of Trent passed legislation enforcing celibacy. It has remained much the same up to the present time.

Thus, celibacy has been acquired by tradition. As former high-ranking Catholic theologian Charles Davis said:

“The taboo was not Christian in origin; it is a very ancient one in the history of religion. Its introduction into Christianity was part of the general shift toward paganism . . .

“The insistence upon celibacy was reinforced in the Middle Ages by concern to keep Church property from passing under secular control.”

No, neither Jesus nor his apostles required celibacy among God’s servants. While they showed that a single person would have more freedom to serve God, they did not lay down a law of celibacy.—Matt. 19:11, 12; 1 Cor. 7:32-38.

God’s own Word, the Bible, according to the Catholic Douay version says: “It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife . . . One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.” It also says: “Let deacons be the husbands of one wife: who rule well their children, and their own houses.” (1 Tim. 3:2-4, 12) So the doctrine of priestly celibacy does not originate with God, for his own Word clearly shows that his ministers are free to marry.

From where, then, do such doctrines that go contrary to God’s will originate? God’s own Word answers: “Now the Spirit expressly says that in after times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies hypocritically, and having their conscience branded. They will forbid marriage.”—1 Tim. 4:1-3, Catholic Confraternity.

It is no wonder, then, that there is such confusion in the Catholic Church on this matter. And that confusion will likely continue, for German theologian Hans Kung said: “There will be no peace in the Catholic Church until such time as celibacy has again become a matter for individual choice, as it originally was.”
~Marianne~
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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hmm the whole thing reeks imo
willow
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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hi Marianne, I agree, priest are after all only men, I went to catholic schools all my life and there were several priests that gave me the creeps.
~Marianne~
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Hi there willow.. glad to say never experienced that myself.

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