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Anyone that knows me around here knows I'm a hardcore dog mommy.

To make a long story short. Gypsy, my border collie mix...was having snow shenanigans yesterday and came down bad on one of her back legs. She let out one little yelp and proceeded to remain 3 legged gimpy for the night. I gave her some buffered aspirin and cold compresses, yadda yadda.

Fast forward to today. She was still not walking on the affected leg so I took her to the vet. FUCKING TORN ACL. They are recommending surgery. Clearly I am going to get a second opinion with another family vet but shiiiiit.

It's not about the money, I would sell everything I own to care for my furry babies. I'm just wondering if anyone has experienced this and if it's really the BEST option.

The vet she saw today is SUCH A DOUCHER that I'm not even sure if it's a partial or full tear. If it turns out to be partial, I was thinking I'd rest her and do some home therapy for a few weeks.

Anyone have experience in this arena? I know there are alot of animal lovers on the forum.

Thx guys... I'm seriously a wreck over this. Lost one of babies 2 years ago and I'm always a mess when something goes wrong ... crying
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my poor fluffin. FFS.... way to start the new year. JUST had her at the vet for a bladder infection.

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oh sorry. FUCK. Care to contribute now or are you just going to be an asterisk nazi?
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oh sorry. FUCK. Care to contribute now or are you just going to be an asterisk nazi?
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asterisk nazi???

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Dayum, Opeth, sorry to hear that. My BIL's dog had the same thing happen. They had the surgery, the dog was on bed rest for weeks, the whole deal. Within days after being given the "all clear" on that knee, the dog tore the other one.

And from what I understand, that's not uncommon.
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Dog meat,yummmm...yeah,sure bring 'em over i'll fix her up!

But honestly i think you should just find a different vet...i don't get people who go to the doctors or to an appointment,end up with a total fucktard treating them,and then they are unable to find someone better and end up going along with a shitty decision that they'll regret later.

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What Is The Anterior Cruciate Ligament?
The anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is one of the most important of four strong ligaments connecting the bones of the knee joint.
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All I got to say is...... .22
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I'm sorry to hear that :(

I would assume it needs some type of brace to offer support to at least have a chance at healing properly. Your pup will learn to walk on the brace I'd assume. I dont really have any experience with dogs, just trying to relate it to a human knee injury.
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I used to be a partial owner in a dog kennel and a groomer/rescuer - 10 years experience. Depending on how old the border collie is -- -health issues, etc.etc. would determine what I would do. Your only option is surgery. Being blunt - I understand your pain and your attachment, believe me - when I had it I spend several thousand on my dogs.....

But heres the reality and my opinion --- border collies are busy dogs that are HARD to rehab. That dog will have to stay in a cage for probably a couple of weeks solid to immobalize the joint and leg for healing. Do you think this dog is "sedate" enough to handle it? You would more than likely have to sedate him/her to get her through it...do you have the patience and the thousands its gonna cost?

5g is not out of the question.....

I'm sorry for you and your dogs pains! But surgery is all you can do.

You can find a holistic specialized vet who can do chinese herbs and acupuncture to aid the healing but you HAVE to get it surgically fixed first.

Best wishes -- peace

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Dayum, Opeth, sorry to hear that. My BIL's dog had the same thing happen. They had the surgery, the dog was on bed rest for weeks, the whole deal. Within days after being given the "all clear" on that knee, the dog tore the other one.

And from what I understand, that's not uncommon.
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Thx darlin :(
No it's pretty common in some breeds. Gypsy is a super spaz. I want her to have full use of both legs. She's 7. I'm so upset. When I say my dogs are my kids, I am not exaggerating. I'm all mind fucked with this.

She doesn't appear to be in any pain but she's a real toughie. My vet didn't even feel the need to do an xray which pissed me off. I need to know if it's partial or not. IDK....just doing alot of research. Going to schedule with my parents vet because he's done MANY surgeries on their dogs.

I'm just so upset and I don't want to rush into surgery if it's not really the best alternative.

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If it is the ACL, it won't fix it's self. Both of my Shepherd mix dogs tore theirs. Since they were still quite young my wife and I had them operated on. If you don't fix it the poor pup will live in chronic pain.

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Re: Dog owners....one of my babies has a torn ACL...anyone experience this? F****k!
The anterior cruciate ligament, or ACL, is one of four major knee ligaments in a mammal's leg (that would be us humans and for instance your dog).

While humans can wear a brace in SOME cases, the need for a surgery reduces the healing time - a lot. It also means that the patient will be up and running in short order, instead of barely moving for up to a year.

I imagine that a dog would require the surgery simply because they are a dog and will not follow doctors orders (keep off the leg, ice it, don't chase squirrels, etc).

In HUMANS approximately 50 percent of ACL injuries occur in combination with damage to the meniscus, articular cartilage, or other ligaments. Additionally, patients may have bruises of the bone beneath the cartilage surface. I would imagine that similar damage takes place with dogs too.

HUMAN patients who have instability in the knee with an ACL will almost always be giving surgery. Those who still maintain stability will be given the option, being told right off the bat that they will be in a brace for months, potentially a year and in a decent amount of pain for all of that time.

We have to remember that with animals and injury, letting them 'heal' on their own is not the best idea. When I was a kid we had a dog that had a ACL, the dog was put in a splint, then two weeks later she ran out into the woods, snagged on a bit of debris and completely wrecked the knee.

This sort of risk is greatly reduced with the 'quick' repair method of surgery.

I'm willing to bet that your second and third and fourth opinions from vets will all say that surgery is the best route.
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sigh

Anyone that knows me around here knows I'm a hardcore dog mommy.

To make a long story short. Gypsy, my border collie mix...was having snow shenanigans yesterday and came down bad on one of her back legs. She let out one little yelp and proceeded to remain 3 legged gimpy for the night. I gave her some buffered aspirin and cold compresses, yadda yadda.

Fast forward to today. She was still not walking on the affected leg so I took her to the vet. FUCKING TORN ACL. They are recommending surgery. Clearly I am going to get a second opinion with another family vet but shiiiiit.

It's not about the money, I would sell everything I own to care for my furry babies. I'm just wondering if anyone has experienced this and if it's really the BEST option.

The vet she saw today is SUCH A DOUCHER that I'm not even sure if it's a partial or full tear. If it turns out to be partial, I was thinking I'd rest her and do some home therapy for a few weeks.

Anyone have experience in this arena? I know there are alot of animal lovers on the forum.

Thx guys... I'm seriously a wreck over this. Lost one of babies 2 years ago and I'm always a mess when something goes wrong ... :crying:
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Yikes! Sorry about your doggy, but can you wait a few days? My three year old dog fell down the icy stairs outside and was gimping around for a few days, but got over it by day four. Maybe it's really only a sprain (or strain)? Good luck.
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Dog meat,yummmm...yeah,sure bring 'em over i'll fix her up!

But honestly i think you should just find a different vet...i don't get people who go to the doctors or to an appointment,end up with a total fucktard treating them,and then they are unable to find someone better and end up going along with a shitty decision that they'll regret later.

YOU CAN DOOOO IT!!
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There are 2 different vets in that practice, been with them for years. The entire time I've had these dogs. Anyway, I'm going for a follow up with another vet. I want an xray, not a pompous opinion.

Fucking bastards.
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You should know a torn ligament isn't going to heal itself
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sorry to hear that, my last guy tore his, had the surgery (they wont heal on there own..), and then 2 years later the other went and he fully couldn't walk on his own. he was 15-16 yrs old though..
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Sounds like its time to put her down.
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$1000 surgery for my Jack Russell's torn ACL, had to carry him up & down the stairs for weeks, keep confined, no jumping, etc. A couple of months after it was healed the other one tore, cost another grand.
But he is worth every $$$ & more!
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our dog had it on front leg (she likes jumping over fences)...
Vet didn't know if it was partial either, but said either way it will finish tearing, so surgery is needed.
We didn't let our dog run for several weeks, gave some anti-flamatory meds for a while.
It's been over 4 months, she seems to be fine now, not limping.
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Whether animal or human, surgery is required says my Vet. oriented wife. She says it's like the part of human knee cap that reguires the surgery to keep it all together.
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I used to be a partial owner in a dog kennel and a groomer/rescuer - 10 years experience. Depending on how old the border collie is -- -health issues, etc.etc. would determine what I would do. Your only option is surgery. Being blunt - I understand your pain and your attachment, believe me - when I had it I spend several thousand on my dogs.....

But heres the reality and my opinion --- border collies are busy dogs that are HARD to rehab. That dog will have to stay in a cage for probably a couple of weeks solid to immobalize the joint and leg for healing. Do you think this dog is "sedate" enough to handle it? You would more than likely have to sedate him/her to get her through it...do you have the patience and the thousands its gonna cost?

5g is not out of the question.....

I'm sorry for you and your dogs pains! But surgery is all you can do.

You can find a holistic specialized vet who can do chinese herbs and acupuncture to aid the healing but you HAVE to get it surgically fixed first.

Best wishes -- peace

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Hey, thank you. That's the thing, Gypsy is your stereoptypical BC. ...on the positive side, she is VERY intelligent and is able to discern danger and act with caution.

She has never been crated, nor is it an option. Again, she is 'scary smart' and I'm not that worried about her ability to cope. I am just thinking that if it's a small tear that other options might be more beneficial to try first. Then if that didn't work, of course surgery.

The $$ factor sucks but as I said, we will make it work. There is nothing we wouldn't do for them...like most people with their kids. We don't have human children, we have our doggies.

BTW, she is 7. Had parvo as a pup. A few urinary tract infections, otherwise healthy.

Seriously, thank you so much for your input!
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my friend does energy medicine and has taught the 2 wives how to run energy and fix this in there husbands.not joking it can be healed rapidly using this method, find a healer and your pup will be okay
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Research the injury on the net before you go to the vet. Ask questions of your vet(s). Have them explain the xray to you. You need to find out to what degree the tear is. If its 1st or 2nd, try to immobilize the joint as much as possible. Maybe even a splint until the inflammation goes down. If its 3rd, you have to make a choice of surgery or let it heal on it's own. If it's a total tear...surgery. At any rate, it will be painful for a while for the dog..and you. The dog will keep his own activity limited and slowly get better. Good Luck.
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sigh

Anyone that knows me around here knows I'm a hardcore dog mommy.

To make a long story short. Gypsy, my border collie mix...was having snow shenanigans yesterday and came down bad on one of her back legs. She let out one little yelp and proceeded to remain 3 legged gimpy for the night. I gave her some buffered aspirin and cold compresses, yadda yadda.

Fast forward to today. She was still not walking on the affected leg so I took her to the vet. FUCKING TORN ACL. They are recommending surgery. Clearly I am going to get a second opinion with another family vet but shiiiiit.

It's not about the money, I would sell everything I own to care for my furry babies. I'm just wondering if anyone has experienced this and if it's really the BEST option.

The vet she saw today is SUCH A DOUCHER that I'm not even sure if it's a partial or full tear. If it turns out to be partial, I was thinking I'd rest her and do some home therapy for a few weeks.

Anyone have experience in this arena? I know there are alot of animal lovers on the forum.

Thx guys... I'm seriously a wreck over this. Lost one of babies 2 years ago and I'm always a mess when something goes wrong ... :crying:
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Aw, I'm so sorry. Poor Gypsy.
This happened to one of my dogs, a shepherd/husky mix when she was around 8 or so. It was a full tear, and she did have the surgery and it went well. The hardest part was the separation, they kept her overnight. She was an abused, late in life rescue, and really bonded to us, and didn't trust people. So we paid the vet tech $100 to stay with her overnight because they wouldn't let me stay there with her. I was afraid she would think we abandoned her. The only issue is the day we brought her home, she had a little problem with urinary incontinence, that she had the rest of her life. I always wondered if it was a side effect of the anesthesia, or maybe it was her age and would have happened anyway. She was a wonderful and sensitive dog.


I've also torn an ACL, it was very painful when it happened but not after a week or so. But I would fall without warning and I could feel the two bones hitting together, which was an eerie feeling. I had the surgery as well and walk normally. I also had 6 months of PT which the dog didn't need.

I was amazed that she wanted to run in a weeks time. I wasn't allowed to do that for 6 months.

They really do heal so much faster than us. That was years ago, and she is gone now. So, I imagine they are doing even less invasive surgeries now.

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My best wishes to you and Gypsy.
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If it is the ACL, it won't fix it's self. Both of my Shepherd mix dogs tore theirs. Since they were still quite young my wife and I had them operated on. If you don't fix it the poor pup will live in chronic pain.

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Thank you friend.

It's not the money at all. Granted is sucks but I don't have a spending limit on the needs of my loved ones...lol. DOGS INCLUDED!

I have been doing some research and it says so many contradicting things. I guess I will just give it a few days, see this other vet and take it from there.

She is not exhibiting any pain but again, she is pretty tough and althletic so I am sure she's suffering on some level....that breaks my heart so I'm not just going to let this go on forever.

Just wanted some feedback from other dog lovers. Many thanks!

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our dog had it on front leg (she likes jumping over fences)...
Vet didn't know if it was partial either, but said either way it will finish tearing, so surgery is needed.
We didn't let our dog run for several weeks, gave some anti-flamatory meds for a while.
It's been over 4 months, she seems to be fine now, not limping.
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How old is yours La la?
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$1000 surgery for my Jack Russell's torn ACL, had to carry him up & down the stairs for weeks, keep confined, no jumping, etc. A couple of months after it was healed the other one tore, cost another grand.
But he is worth every $$$ & more!
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Hell yes they are. I'm looking at just under 2k. That's not the issue though, I just want to be sure it's the right thing. Also, want a damn xray, not some dick saying...'oh well, I didn't need to take one as it was an obvious ACL tear'. I want someone to sit and show me. Sadly, today I got the dr. in the practice that I do not care for.

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our dog had it on front leg (she likes jumping over fences)...
Vet didn't know if it was partial either, but said either way it will finish tearing, so surgery is needed.
We didn't let our dog run for several weeks, gave some anti-flamatory meds for a while.
It's been over 4 months, she seems to be fine now, not limping.


How old is yours La la?
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she is about 6-7
I am not an expert though, we just couldn't afford surgery, and had to try other ways to heal.
We had a street cat we were feeding, he got hit by a car, and his back leg was hanging (lingament was torn)...Vet said to put him down or several thousand dollar surgery. We couldn't afford surgery, but didn't want to kill the guy...So we just kept feeding him....Several months later, he was only slightly limping, he was just fine.

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