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MOVIE! INCEPTION: SUICIDE CAMPAIGN, MENTAL ATTACKS

 
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If watching a movie, no matter what it suggests, causes people to kill themselves, then they were unbalanced coming into it and probably would have done the deed sooner or later anyway. I just don't buy into the idea that movies are so sinister they can cause people to kill themselves. Sorry to be a buzz kill.
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you are one insane motherfucker
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Wann der stadt hat der polici das macht der mann einer hunde und der frauen zu putz von die geld menschen dann der leute eine schwein wesen gehabe gekommen fur tote.
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any free place to watch it online that is legal?
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The top kept spinning...what is reality? Oh and btw, his wife was still dead because she killed herself on her base plane of reality. Big no no! Be careful. What exactly is your base plane of reality?


That wasn't even his totem, it was hers originally. The movie seems to imply you're never quite sure what reality is real enough or satisfactory enough, because they dilligently worked throughout the movie to try to prove even the most mundane things are not proof of reality but actually proof that you're dreaming. So a person is left with only the option of accepting that even our very own reality resembles the dream state suggested in the movie, and thus we must be dream, and thus we should wake up since it is implied that it is better to wake up, and the only way to do this is through suicide.
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Thats the great part about that movie. It takes something that everyone has experienced at some point-- very lucid dreams and tuns them into something that is actually real.

The message that I saw in that movie is much different then yours.

I saw the movie as empowering-- showing people that with there own will anything is possible. The individuals have the ability to change and create their own world. One that gives them everything they want.

The part were they build dreams can very easily be about building ones future, anything is possible if you work hard at it.

The death part served as a warning, as to not get carried away and drawn into the temptation once you have created your ideal future.

The film went into a lot of detail to show the consquences of death on the individual and the family. hardly what I would say is condoning death.
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yes, I have the words of YHVH spoken immediately to me; i have never questioned my son's action, nor the Most High's reasons for letting it happen .. I do hesitate in putting it outt there for public consumption...


Meaning that the words of YHVH appear as inspiration in your mind? I hope I'm not being too intrusive, and your answer will probably disturb me, but I was curious as to how your son killed himself?

It was a bullet to the brain.....


The words of the Most High to me revealed answers, I don't know if you call it inspiration, but answers why my son did it, and why He allowed it. While the pain is not diminished, I have never had the questions, anger or bitterness that so many others ~ even believers ~ have had.

Is. 57: 1 The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2 Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.

I meant to add too, that it was without a doubt, demonically inspired. I know that.
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I believe that, but how do you know that? Were any clues indicative of a demon involved?
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You're are kidding yourself if you think you're not caught up in dualism.

If you're bothered by references to killing oneself in the movie and think there is a secret agenda, then you are judging the rightness or wrongness of the movie.

You are "concerned" that people will be "tricked". Your very concern is dualism in action.

If you go looking for "hidden agendas", you are, at its root level, searching for evil. As such you are obviously are concerned by it and thus fear it. If you can accept that evil goes hand-in-hand with good, (something you deny) then you can learn from it rather than fear it.

In your reply to my other question asking whether suicide is right, wrong or neither, you skirted the word "wrong" by using any other word you could think of in order to prove to me that you're not bothered by or caught up in dualism. You may be kidding yourself, but you're not kidding me.

Dualism is an important aspect of our world. We wake up to light and go to sleep with darkness. Do you not see this?

In fact, anybody who posts on GLP is subject to dualism, including me. A person free from dualism would not find anything of interest here.

I have experienced non-dualism, so I know the state of mind exists. I also know that at the ultimate level, it is illusion, but when subject to it, it's seems very real and in many ways, it is real.

You're pretending to be above these ideas. Bullshit. I can admit I am subject to this illusion, why can't you?
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Why do I have to admit it? Will it satisfy you if I do? Perhaps your thinking something is wrong about dualism or that non dualism is better or more worthwhile and "wouldn't be" certain ways is only another form of the same thing.

If someone has an agenda to do something, is it more than an agenda to do something? Must a nondual individual want everything? Why do you think dualism and non dualism is even an important concept? Do you think dualism is not as good as nondualism? How do you think you know what a person who is not subject to dualism would be like? I don't know how I gave you the impression that I'm pretending to be above ideas or "these" ideas. I don't know why it should offend you, if it does, if I am or am not.

If anything, I believe that dualism is not a worthwhile concept and does not exist independently of the singular source of everything, God the only and ultimate. Within God there is everything, and it perhaps can't be so neatly divided into just two opposing things.

Could you perhaps get beyond believing that non dualism is even worthwhile and important? Why do you think it is even?
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OP, have you considered the possibility that by watching this movie and/or being involved in the subsequent analysis of such, we are inadvertently falling prey to the MOTHER of all malevolent agendas, this being the distraction from our true purpose which is the remembrance and worship of the one true God, the Creator of the universe.(?)


Absolutely, we should both be worshipping God at the regular timings and not neglecting our worship and rememberance of the true God for either fear or interest in other things. Yes, creating puzzles is a great way to keep people's minds away from remembering God, and life returns to simple happiness and safety with remembering God.

Have you been able to maintain the practice of the religion while also finding time for the computer? I find the computer seems to steal a tremendous amount of time.



LOL, I absolutely do maintain my religion! The internet is a tool and has the capacity to be used for dark or light purposes. I like the tool analogy that guns don't kill but people do. Facebook has a tremendous value in terms of dawah, if that is your intention. Obviously we are all human and get sidetracked from time to time, but I believe intelligent discourse on relevant topics is a more worthy pastime than playing computer games.
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In that case, you might consider my efforts on GLP somewhat more worthwhile. Sometimes I doubt if it is important or useful for me to teach people religion on the computer, but it gives me some hope if you think it is.
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Also, I never meant to imply in any way that you might not be practicing your religion. I am so sorry if that is what you thought I meant in some way, I didn't think that though.
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If watching a movie, no matter what it suggests, causes people to kill themselves, then they were unbalanced coming into it and probably would have done the deed sooner or later anyway. I just don't buy into the idea that movies are so sinister they can cause people to kill themselves. Sorry to be a buzz kill.
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I don't think that all movies should be jumbled up with the kind of relentless suggestive assault presented in Inception. This thread is pretty specifically about Inception. I haven't really noticed any kind of suggestions so strong and pervasive in a movie before.

For example, Twilight only had one obvious seeming suggestion near the end which showed images of her wrists damaged by glass so as to look like they were slit, and then while showing those images saying things like "life is hard" and other suggestions that seemed to imply suicide. But it was so mild, and only once, that it was nothing like Inception.
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any free place to watch it online that is legal?
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I don't know about things like that!
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Thats the great part about that movie. It takes something that everyone has experienced at some point-- very lucid dreams and tuns them into something that is actually real.

The message that I saw in that movie is much different then yours.

I saw the movie as empowering-- showing people that with there own will anything is possible. The individuals have the ability to change and create their own world. One that gives them everything they want.

The part were they build dreams can very easily be about building ones future, anything is possible if you work hard at it.

The death part served as a warning, as to not get carried away and drawn into the temptation once you have created your ideal future.

The film went into a lot of detail to show the consquences of death on the individual and the family. hardly what I would say is condoning death.
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I think that if empowerment was really the central theme they wouldn't have suggested that "you can't control your subconscious", "you can't control your projections", "you can't control pain reactions", "you can't control your the projection of your wife", and other things like that. I understand you liked the movie, I did too, but I could still see what seemed to be a whole lot of effort towards making suicidal suggestions.
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Did anyone else see this movie? Has anyone else read my article on page 1? Do you know of any other movies that might suggest dangerous things to viewers? Inception is one of the most relentless and forceful suggestive movies that I've ever encountered. So much so that I felt I should perhaps write down the instances of suggestion and share them with others.


The Passion of Christ by Mel Gibson. Whole Sunday school classes got together to go see it--it was so sad to know that little ole ladies, gentle Christians thought they were honoring their religion by seeing this and had to sit through a horrendous and gory torture scene. No, I didn't see it. I was aghast nonetheless.


What do you think the suggestions might have been in that film, if you were to guess.
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It came about about the time all the news about US doing torture of prisoners was going on. I thought it was to make us accept that torture is not so bad.
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OP, have you considered the possibility that by watching this movie and/or being involved in the subsequent analysis of such, we are inadvertently falling prey to the MOTHER of all malevolent agendas, this being the distraction from our true purpose which is the remembrance and worship of the one true God, the Creator of the universe.(?)


Absolutely, we should both be worshipping God at the regular timings and not neglecting our worship and rememberance of the true God for either fear or interest in other things. Yes, creating puzzles is a great way to keep people's minds away from remembering God, and life returns to simple happiness and safety with remembering God.

Have you been able to maintain the practice of the religion while also finding time for the computer? I find the computer seems to steal a tremendous amount of time.



LOL, I absolutely do maintain my religion! The internet is a tool and has the capacity to be used for dark or light purposes. I like the tool analogy that guns don't kill but people do. Facebook has a tremendous value in terms of dawah, if that is your intention. Obviously we are all human and get sidetracked from time to time, but I believe intelligent discourse on relevant topics is a more worthy pastime than playing computer games.


In that case, you might consider my efforts on GLP somewhat more worthwhile. Sometimes I doubt if it is important or useful for me to teach people religion on the computer, but it gives me some hope if you think it is.
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If you help guide even one person it is worth it. Think of all the future generations of good people springing forth from this one person, surely there is a reward in that.

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."

Please accept my apology if I was rude on some of your other threads; it is a weakness that I am sometimes opinionated and argumentative. Regardless of that, to tell you the truth I only clicked on this thread because I saw it was yours, so indeed I do indeed value your efforts.

I know this post is massively off-topic but figure you won't mind since it will bump your discussion here.



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Also, I never meant to imply in any way that you might not be practicing your religion. I am so sorry if that is what you thought I meant in some way, I didn't think that though.
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No offense taken, I perceived that you were just as curious about yourself and time spent on "hobbies."


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Did anyone else see this movie? Has anyone else read my article on page 1? Do you know of any other movies that might suggest dangerous things to viewers? Inception is one of the most relentless and forceful suggestive movies that I've ever encountered. So much so that I felt I should perhaps write down the instances of suggestion and share them with others.


The Passion of Christ by Mel Gibson. Whole Sunday school classes got together to go see it--it was so sad to know that little ole ladies, gentle Christians thought they were honoring their religion by seeing this and had to sit through a horrendous and gory torture scene. No, I didn't see it. I was aghast nonetheless.


What do you think the suggestions might have been in that film, if you were to guess.



It came about about the time all the news about US doing torture of prisoners was going on. I thought it was to make us accept that torture is not so bad.
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Oh! Very interesting!
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This picture is a complete mess.
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If you help guide even one person it is worth it. Think of all the future generations of good people springing forth from this one person, surely there is a reward in that.

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."

Please accept my apology if I was rude on some of your other threads; it is a weakness that I am sometimes opinionated and argumentative. Regardless of that, to tell you the truth I only clicked on this thread because I saw it was yours, so indeed I do indeed value your efforts.

I know this post is massively off-topic but figure you won't mind since it will bump your discussion here.
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I readily accept your apology! Thank you so much! I'm so happy that you value my efforts!

Yes, I don't mind us going off topic, and thank you so much for saying the things that you did. I hadn't considered the generational implications of the progeny of those who come from one person who learned Islam!
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This picture is a complete mess.
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The movie?
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Also, I never meant to imply in any way that you might not be practicing your religion. I am so sorry if that is what you thought I meant in some way, I didn't think that though.


No offense taken, I perceived that you were just as curious about yourself and time spent on "hobbies."
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Yes!
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Would anyone else like to comment? I really enjoy reading any thoughts you might have about these things!
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If you help guide even one person it is worth it. Think of all the future generations of good people springing forth from this one person, surely there is a reward in that.

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."

Please accept my apology if I was rude on some of your other threads; it is a weakness that I am sometimes opinionated and argumentative. Regardless of that, to tell you the truth I only clicked on this thread because I saw it was yours, so indeed I do indeed value your efforts.

I know this post is massively off-topic but figure you won't mind since it will bump your discussion here.


I readily accept your apology! Thank you so much! I'm so happy that you value my efforts!

Yes, I don't mind us going off topic, and thank you so much for saying the things that you did. I hadn't considered the generational implications of the progeny of those who come from one person who learned Islam!
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Yep!
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yes, I have the words of YHVH spoken immediately to me; i have never questioned my son's action, nor the Most High's reasons for letting it happen .. I do hesitate in putting it outt there for public consumption...


Meaning that the words of YHVH appear as inspiration in your mind? I hope I'm not being too intrusive, and your answer will probably disturb me, but I was curious as to how your son killed himself?

It was a bullet to the brain.....


The words of the Most High to me revealed answers, I don't know if you call it inspiration, but answers why my son did it, and why He allowed it. While the pain is not diminished, I have never had the questions, anger or bitterness that so many others ~ even believers ~ have had.

Is. 57: 1 The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2 Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.

I meant to add too, that it was without a doubt, demonically inspired. I know that.


I believe that, but how do you know that? Were any clues indicative of a demon involved?
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It's really too much to put into a post here, now. If you like, pm me and I will share more detail with you.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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This picture is a complete mess.


The movie?
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Of course. Did you watch it?
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The movie?

Of course. Did you watch it?
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Yes! I wrote some extensive notes about it on the first page, the first post in this thread.
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I don't know how I initially became aware of the suggestions being presented in the movie!
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Yes, I read your post. This is kinda off the subject.

Music is what sells the movie. Most people will not agree that they can be influenced by music.
If a movie had no music, most people would not watch the movie. The music puts the emotions in the movie.
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Yes, I read your post. This is kinda off the subject.

Music is what sells the movie. Most people will not agree that they can be influenced by music.
If a movie had no music, most people would not watch the movie. The music puts the emotions in the movie.
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I agree that sound can be used to alter one's perceptions of things or mood and help with implying and reccomending emotions for scenes to a person subconsciously.
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Has anyone else seen the movie or read the article on page one? What do you think?
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I won't mince words. Piece of shit.
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Here is another movie that deals with mind control and oppression....

"Black Swan"-- Hollywood Preaches Satanism

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Black Swan is a movie about mind control and demonic possession. Its main message is that you can't achieve greatness without selling your soul to the devil and connecting with the evil inside.

Nina's controller is her mother. She was unable to develop and is still a child psychologically and sexually. Her bedroom's wallpaper is covered with butterflies, a reminder of Monarch programming.

When she is ripe and technically disciplined, her handler, Leroy ("The King" in French) enters her life and introduces her to evil, with the help of Lily (Lilith?).

He seduces her but doesn't have sex with her. He just awakens her lust and greed. In a key scene, we see Leroy and Nina at his flat, where a stylized Baphomet is displayed on the wall.

Her gala night also takes place in a building where we see a huge statue of a black angel, obviously Lucifer. Nina is being invited to Satan's side, and the reward is fame and success.

There are occult signals all over the movie, starting with the black and white duality and going through mirrors.

Nina and her mother have their mirror images switched in one scene, meaning the mother has to program the daughter to be a replica of herself.

In the end, when Nina shatters the mirror, it means she broke her personality in multiples and is ready to be possessed. She graphically changes into a demon in the screen.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

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