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MOVIE! INCEPTION: SUICIDE CAMPAIGN, MENTAL ATTACKS

 
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You make a number of excellent observations.

Attack 4: Shoot yourself in the head if anything strange happens to indicate you're "dreaming" because thats what you do when things feel strange and it is important to be "awake" for some reason. DiCaprio nearly shoots himself in the head based on only a spinning top that spins a little longer than usual.

I got a little chill when I read that.

And:

Attack 7: "Dreams feel real while we are in them, right?" causing agreement with the statement "It is only after we "wake up" (connected with suicide) that we realize something was strange." "You can't remember the beginning of a dream, you end up in the middle, so how did we end up here?" This suggests that if you can't remember something, the beginning, or how you got where you are you are dreaming and need to "wake up".

It reads exactly like the sort of suggestion they'd implant in a mind controlled assasin.
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My whole life I've had a recurring dream of standing on my 16th floor windowsill and getting ready to jump. Sometimes I I can fly off the ledge, but a lot of times its so real I can't tell whether its a lucid dream or the real thing and I hesitate...

The movie scared me for all the reasons you mentioned. Especially the part where Marianne Cotillard was getting ready to jump and her reasoning. I have also thought this. I believe some of it was designed to mess with programmed people and trigger their suicide programs
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For Freedomstands

An extremely interesting article,very well worked, I've seen
the movie, which kept me pinned for its entirety and will watch it again with most attention on certain points you underline. I have a question on the No. "528" on the door, (while going on the second level at the hotel) what did you think it means? (date 28/5?) I can't figure it out.
Thank you for a very good work and your response

Have a nice weekend!
 Quoting: mesna 1230834



In Numerology 528 is a Key
[link to www.biblewheel.com]
and in New Age it is the vibration of healing/repair (Hz)
I suspect it is more in others
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You make a number of excellent observations.

Attack 4: Shoot yourself in the head if anything strange happens to indicate you're "dreaming" because thats what you do when things feel strange and it is important to be "awake" for some reason. DiCaprio nearly shoots himself in the head based on only a spinning top that spins a little longer than usual.

I got a little chill when I read that.

And:

Attack 7: "Dreams feel real while we are in them, right?" causing agreement with the statement "It is only after we "wake up" (connected with suicide) that we realize something was strange." "You can't remember the beginning of a dream, you end up in the middle, so how did we end up here?" This suggests that if you can't remember something, the beginning, or how you got where you are you are dreaming and need to "wake up".

It reads exactly like the sort of suggestion they'd implant in a mind controlled assasin.



My whole life I've had a recurring dream of standing on my 16th floor windowsill and getting ready to jump. Sometimes I I can fly off the ledge, but a lot of times its so real I can't tell whether its a lucid dream or the real thing and I hesitate...

The movie scared me for all the reasons you mentioned. Especially the part where Marianne Cotillard was getting ready to jump and her reasoning. I have also thought this. I believe some of it was designed to mess with programmed people and trigger their suicide programs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1026306


I had a very disturbing lucid dream experience just prior to seeing the movie.

I was dreaming. I became lucid. It was very strong because usually I'll start to wake up. But this time it was the opposite. I was afraid that I might never wake-up!

I also realised that now that my lucid world was my real world and I was stuck there the people in the dream world could really hurt me. The power of lucidity lies in being able to wake-up.

To me there is a very real and powerful suggestion that if this were to happen again I should kill myself to wake-up.

If nothing else Inception is clearly about lucid dreaming.
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You make a number of excellent observations.

Attack 4: Shoot yourself in the head if anything strange happens to indicate you're "dreaming" because thats what you do when things feel strange and it is important to be "awake" for some reason. DiCaprio nearly shoots himself in the head based on only a spinning top that spins a little longer than usual.

I got a little chill when I read that.

And:

Attack 7: "Dreams feel real while we are in them, right?" causing agreement with the statement "It is only after we "wake up" (connected with suicide) that we realize something was strange." "You can't remember the beginning of a dream, you end up in the middle, so how did we end up here?" This suggests that if you can't remember something, the beginning, or how you got where you are you are dreaming and need to "wake up".

It reads exactly like the sort of suggestion they'd implant in a mind controlled assasin.



My whole life I've had a recurring dream of standing on my 16th floor windowsill and getting ready to jump. Sometimes I I can fly off the ledge, but a lot of times its so real I can't tell whether its a lucid dream or the real thing and I hesitate...

The movie scared me for all the reasons you mentioned. Especially the part where Marianne Cotillard was getting ready to jump and her reasoning. I have also thought this. I believe some of it was designed to mess with programmed people and trigger their suicide programs
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I agree
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For Freedomstands

An extremely interesting article,very well worked, I've seen
the movie, which kept me pinned for its entirety and will watch it again with most attention on certain points you underline. I have a question on the No. "528" on the door, (while going on the second level at the hotel) what did you think it means? (date 28/5?) I can't figure it out.
Thank you for a very good work and your response

Have a nice weekend!
 Quoting: mesna 1230834


I think they said in the movie the numbers are arbitrary and could "symbolize anything", perhaps as a way to distract or occupy people with something that would allow the other messages to seep in.

I think that it isn't possible to really know what those numbers meant or if they were important at all and in what way until after the fact. But alot of people noticed them and have become fixated on those numbers, without realizing the rest of the messages of the movie were much more dangerous than that.

Usually when they put in numbers, it symbolizes "power numbers" that are added together and then reduced, but it can also symbolize dates which are set on days which add up to "power numbers" too.

The power numbers are many, and many you are probably familiar with. I don't believe they have any real power, its just that they are important to occultists in some circles. 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 22, 23, 26, 27 are some.

They usually disguise 5 as a V or a five pointed star which is the symbol for Venus which is also called "Lucifer" in latin.

11 they've been making alot of fuss about recently and its a traditional "power number" some say because its one above ten which is supposed to be the "God" number.

22 is double of eleven, so even extra powerful in some belief systems.

26 is double thirteen and also adds 2 plus 6 to 9 which is important as a mystical number for them.

You'll notice alot of movies called 9 for no good reason.

23 is 2 plus 3 making 5.

M is an important letter, because it is the 13th letter in english and so it is a way to disguise the number 13 which is very important to represent they are part of occult circles and believe in 13 months among other things. Recently there is a push to bring 13 months into the mainstream, first by mentioning the Zodiac as 13 signs now, then they might establish an official 13 month new age calendar internationally, but maybe not.
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Wow! Thank you so much for all your replies! I'd like to thank all those who took a moment to read my article and enjoyed it!

I have some interesting news to suggest that the Nolan family may not be totally ordinary in any respect.

I was reading about Christopher Nolan and was shocked to discover his brother Matthew Nolan was caught by the FBI in 2009 for the Murder of a Costa Rican business man who he was supposedly trying to extract money from for another man in florida.

Matthew Nolan claims to be a British Special Forces soldier.

In his jail cell, it was discovered that he had somehow been given a long rope, and various other tools to help with an American Prison Break.

Christopher Nolan went to a school called "Hailey and Imperial Service" school.

I really think the family is quite involved with what one might call "The cult" and seem to be spies.

Christopher Nolan was the camera man for a Dan Eldon? Or someone who was important in some charity movement and was supposedly murdered.

Despite all of this, I think Christopher Nolan is quite intelligent enough to know exactly the agenda behind his movies.

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

[link to www.boxofficespy.com]

[link to articles.chicagotribune.com]

Movie News: Drirector Christopher Nolan's ("The Dark Knight") Brother Wanted for Crimes Including Murder.


Here's a quick bit of information that is related movie news. Some news outlets are reporting that "The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan's brother is wanted for crimes that include murder. The right is a supposed picutre of Matthew Francis Nolan



The brother Matthew Francis Nolan is under investigation by The Chicago Police. Nolan is wanted in Costa Rica for the kidnapping and murder of Florida businessman Robert C. Cohen. Authorities said Nolan pretended he was interested in doing business in Costa Rica when the two met in a hotel. But his real mission was to recover sseven million Cohen owed another Florida man. South America. But his real mission, authorities say, was to get seven million that Cohen owed another man in Florida.

Douglas Mejia, Nolan's supposed accomplice, has already been convicted of kidnapping Cohen when he attempted to extort the money from Cohen's family. When that failed, cops say that they both killed him.


Nolan has been under investigation by the FBI regarding a seperate $700,000 bank-fraud scheme. He's now being held in the U.S., awaiting extradition.

Christopher Nolan collaborated with his other brother, Jonathan, on the scripts for Memento, The Prestige, and The Dark Knight, and the upcoming Terminator: Salvation.

Since he is related to the very famous Christopher Nolan, we thought we'd go ahead and post this here on our movie news page. These really are some very serious charges Nolan has againist him. We will have to see where this goes.


A Batman-like escape plan
November 06, 2009|By Chicago Tribune
A brother of "The Dark Knight" director Christopher Nolan was allegedly plotting a Batman-like escape from a Chicago federal prison where he was being held while fighting extradition to Costa Rica on murder charges.

Matthew Nolan, 41, a longtime Chicago resident who sometimes bragged he was a member of British special forces, was charged last month with making and possessing 31 feet of rope, a harness and other prohibited items "designed and intended to be used to facilitate an escape" from the Metropolitan Correctional Center.

Prison authorities discovered the contraband while searching Nolan's cell a few weeks after his arrest in the extradition case, sources said.

"It is clear from the items seized ... that Nolan had devoted a significant amount of time during his first two weeks at the MCC preparing for an escape," prosecutors said in a filing in a related case.

Authorities also found that Nolan had made a metal clip from a pen that was able to unlock handcuffs. But a source said it was unlikely that Nolan could have escaped from the high-rise prison in downtown Chicago.

A Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman said its records show no one has ever escaped from the jail where gang leaders, mobsters and higher-level drug dealers are held while awaiting trial in nearby federal court.
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For Freedomstands

An extremely interesting article,very well worked, I've seen
the movie, which kept me pinned for its entirety and will watch it again with most attention on certain points you underline. I have a question on the No. "528" on the door, (while going on the second level at the hotel) what did you think it means? (date 28/5?) I can't figure it out.
Thank you for a very good work and your response

Have a nice weekend!



In Numerology 528 is a Key
[link to www.biblewheel.com]
and in New Age it is the vibration of healing/repair (Hz)
I suspect it is more in others
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Oh! Very good! You figured it out, that makes perfect sense with the movie.
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Yeah- only really good movie I saw all last year. You raise some very good points in your post & you state them well! I'll digest them & then post my reaction. Very well done!
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I hope to see your comments soon! Thank you so much for leaving this comment though! Thanks for reading my article! I agree, I thought the movie was really good and that Nolan is perhaps my favorite director, I really like his style, but I'm a little wary of his movies now after what seemed like an assault to the senses with heavy suicidal suggestions.
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I have to admit, I noticed a lot of disturbing things throughout the movie...

And the movie left me with a bad vibe...

Definitely a lot of trickery.
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It left me with a bad vibe too, but I dispelled it all by realizing the real trick was placing an implied importance on "waking up" while suggesting that no reality is "real enough" and to jump up to a new level one must kill themselves in order to wake up. If they don't they might "become old men full of regrets". It is pretty nasty on that level for trying to suggest things like that repeatedly, and if anyone has any propensity to be suicidal it seems even more unethical to freely and repeatedly "plant" these "seeds" in a persons mind.
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bumpto read later
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Yes, I agree there seems to be a plan for "depopulation" and movies suggesting suicide triggers in reaction to violence or strange events may be an important preliminary effort.

I have another article about how an "alien cult" on GLP is also working towards suggesting what might be a plan for "depopulation" and that people must "lose their bodies" to reach a "higher level" which seems to be very similar to the Inception idea of killing yourself to jump up a new level of the dream until you "wake up".
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glad i didnt read that novel you posted..

its a movie who cares but its a crazy idea non the less
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I'm sorry you didn't read my article. I hope you might find it worth the effort later.
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you are one insane motherfucker
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I'm sorry you feel that way, if you do. I think it is more "insane" to work dilligently to try to suggest dangerous ideas to people and potentially instigate suicidal thoughts in an already sensitive populace without any real warning or knowledge on how to combat such suggestions. In that way it seems rather ruthless.
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i am trying to remember if i have seen it

what is the storyline plot? who is the main actor(s)?
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Inception, directed by Christopher Nolan the director of The Dark Knight. It stars Leonardo DiCaprio as Cobb (An important name from Nolan's early feature film called Following, which is about a villain named Cobb who is also a thief and frames a person.)

Storyline is that there is a device that allows agents to enter into a "shared dream space" and extract secrets from people. After attempting this with one man, he hires them to perform an "inception" which is to "plant an idea" in someones head.

The whole movie seems to be an "inception" and attempt to plant ideas in peoples minds though. The word inception doesn't mean "to plant an idea" as the movie suggests, but rather it means a "a graduation" or "an undertaking" like an "initiation" but may also suggest an undertaking to suggest that people should "graduate" from "reality" or "life" since it is "just a dream" and it repeatedly seems to suggest the only way to wake up is to kill yourself. The real danger is the importance they place on "waking up" and then suggesting that "you aren't awake" and "there is no way to know you are awake" other than by "taking a leap of faith" and killing yourself.
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I hope some of you realize the potential dangers or at least the lack of ethics involved in using techniques like this on unsuspecting audience members.


I wouldn't know, I don't watch Hollywood crap.
I'll take your word for it.
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I think that might be a good decision these days. Whatever you watch or read, keep alert and vigilant.
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If Matt and Trey ripped it apart, I'm thinking it's bad.
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Well, I don't know what you mean by bad in this case, but yes I think it is pretty "bad" to keep trying to make people kill themselves.
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The soundtrack is incredible.
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Yeah, I liked the down tone on the helicopter scene with Saito, it only lasts a moment though. The music reminded me a bit of The Dark Knight which is also directed by Christopher Nolan.

They used music as a "trigger" throughout the movie too, that was a plot point as well. The music would instigate a "kick" that would prompt the person to take actions that would cause them to "wake up".

It seemed to mean to me that in reality, those who work in "programming" and hypnosis might use musical or sound triggers to instigate people to activate certain behaviors, in this case thoughts of suicide.
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that movie stressed me out....there was hardly one relaxed moment through the whole thing
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Yeah, it was a bit stressful to me too. The attempts at suggestions were relentless for the whole first hour of the 2 and a half hour movie. I ended up really enjoying when they wouldn't say anything, because it came to the point where it seemed like so many things they were saying had bad intentions for the viewers that might not be aware of the suggestions. Even with a full awareness upon the second viewing I felt totally exhausted after the movie and had lost hours it seemed, having started early and the sun was setting by the time I was done. This is also due to my constantly pausing and rewinding to carefully re hear and copy what was being said for my article.
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Yeah I watched it and didn't like it.
I didn't get it and got lost with all the dreams within a dream. They were hard to keep track of.
If I did watch it again, I'd do it with subtitles on so I can see the movie and watch exactly what they are saying with a lot of pausing to reflect. That is if I thought the movie had value. I personally wouldn't waste my time on it as it sucked balls.

As an aside, I wonder if LOUGHNER watched this at some time before he shot that woman??? He Kept batting on about lucid dreaming and he only started up his youtube chanel 4 months ago....so maybe he did see this movie...
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Just keep in mind that television itself is such a medium that they can claim anything and it may not have even happened.

I believe there is often an attempt to suggest two things, but never the third. For example, that Loughner shot her and was crazy. Or that Loughner was a government agent who was brainwashed and shot her.

They never suggest that perhaps nobody was shot at all and its totally a staged event.

I'll show you my notes from this event also, and perhaps you'll find it as ridiculous as I do:

Some of the important parts are that Giffords comes from a family of actors, her husband is an "identical twin" who has the same rank and job as him, the 9 year old girl comes from a celebrity family related to actress Sophie Bush and a baseball legend, and so much more ridiculous stuff.

Here are some of my notes:

Please don't be offended by the attitude present in the notes or the opinions or comments presented in there, I apologize in advance for saying anything offensive in these notes:

Gabrielle Giffords, who is the daughter of the cousin of Gwenyth Paltrow's father was supposedly shot recently.

13 others were injured, while 6 were supposedly killed.

One those killed was a girl who was born the day of the 9/11 attacks and had some celebrity from it, was also related to major baseball star and was the cousin of actress Sophie Bush.

Initial reports said Giffords was dead and killed but then said she was alive and responsive.

Her husband is a NASA astronaut. He has an identical twin brother who is a NASA astronaut of the same rank. They are the only siblings ever to go into space, whenever one shaves the other shaves too, whenever one has a mustache the other one does to...

His brother twittered from outer space with political statements about the "tragedy".

Meanwhile, after 5 years of being in a supposed "coma" Ariel Sharon rises from the dead.

Gabrielle, Ariel...

In the book of Revelation there is one section about a head of the beast seeming to have a mortal head wound whe is healed and the "world" follows them later.

Each of the heads who are supposed to be leaders, have a name that is a blasphemy related to God, and both of those names are that (thats the el part). Gabrielle supposedly means "Woman of God" but it actually comes from the word Gabriel meaning Strong one of God or Hero of God. While Ariel means Lion of God. The events are scripted deliberately to fulfill many things for many different groups watching eagerly.

It's possible this character they've introduced is part of the plan.

Anyway, the shooting is ridiculously fake. They included an imaginary kid from 9/11 just so they could make statements like "America's Baby has been killed" which is an actual statement they made, and also to constantly mention 9/11 with this event repeatedly. The kid is totally an invention that had no reason to be at this random event outside a grocery store, as was the whole incident a complete fabrication.
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that movie stressed me out....there was hardly one relaxed moment through the whole thing


Yeah, it was a bit stressful to me too. The attempts at suggestions were relentless for the whole first hour of the 2 and a half hour movie. I ended up really enjoying when they wouldn't say anything, because it came to the point where it seemed like so many things they were saying had bad intentions for the viewers that might not be aware of the suggestions. Even with a full awareness upon the second viewing I felt totally exhausted after the movie and had lost hours it seemed, having started early and the sun was setting by the time I was done. This is also due to my constantly pausing and rewinding to carefully re hear and copy what was being said for my article.
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I watched it last night. It was a very stressful movie. I couldn't follow what was going on. At the midway I finally figured out what they were doing. I can't imagine what it would be like to read the book. I got the DVD for Christmas. I wil have to watch it again.
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I was thinking that too when I seen the movie. Kids and teens should not watch this movie, suggesting altered realities is dangerous.
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Well, there are nice ways to suggest things too, and let people explore ideas about different realities and whatever. But this was dangerous in that it implied that "waking up" was preferable and important, and that currently all evidence of mundane reality suggests we are actually "dreaming" and the only way to "wake up" is to "take a leap of faith, to get on a train that you don't know where it will take you" by killing yourself. Yeah, I don't think that message is good for any age of people. It also depicts the main actors killing themselves, and also Saito when he turns elderly, which seemed to suggest that old people might also want to take their own lives so they can "become young men again".
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I watched it last night. It was a very stressful movie. I couldn't follow what was going on. At the midway I finally figured out what they were doing. I can't imagine what it would be like to read the book. I got the DVD for Christmas. I wil have to watch it again.
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You might want to read the wikipedia page on it which discusses the story, I did that first before seeing it which really helped me understand what was going on and didn't ruin the story for me. It might also help to read my notes from this article so that you can stay sharp and realize what they are suggesting. Even with awareness I found myself exhausted by their mental assault.

The stress you experienced could potentially be from the constant and forceful suggestions that were being made in almost every way. It seems really unethical to try to do that to unsuspecting audience members.
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Inception had a great ending IMO.. I don't nescesarily think it was intended to subliminally cause people to kill themselves... but rather question their reality.
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Did anyone see the movie?
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just finished watching it myself.... I didn't read through all your points in the first post; did you come up with all those yourself?

btw ~ i agree with your analogy, but see it a bit deeper, I think.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I've been considering the possibility that being in a body is a form of imprisonment. And that death may be 1,000 times better. Astral Travel, creation of material objects/people?

But now that Hollywood is encouraging it, I have to wonder if I was wrong.

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It is a major theme in Gnosticism which has a strong influence on the modern day Luciferianism and New Age movements which are coming into the mainstream and are the principle religious values behind the activities of what can be called "the cult" of the "elite" and many of their "families".

There are heavy gnostic occult themes in inception, since gnostics believe the disabled but powerful "demiurge" or creator God has imprisoned people to the material world and material bodies which they must attempt to become free from.

These theme appears in Scientology as well.

In the movie Inception, the Demiurge was "The Father" who had a super powerful "energy empire" but was himself weak and disabled at this point. God depicted like that is a major theme in modern Luciferian Gnostic circles, and it appears in the ending of Philip Pullmans His Dark Materials (Golden Compass) series as well, where God is depicted as weak and dying and should be "set free" but has a powerful evil empire.

Meanwhile the active force of God is called "The God Father" who is the central active agent of God or "The right hand" played by Tom Berenger in the movie.

The son, Fischer, may represent the Fish in the stream of life, supposed to be like any of us but also an obvious representation of the "son" of the "father" namely Jesus and the "Christ nature" in all of us.

The Theosophist and New Age Luciferians believe that the prior era was the age of the fish, pisces, and that we are moving into a new world of Aquarius and that the old ways must pass away in order to survive.

We are told that they are going to use our relationship with "the father" and "the god father" against us, and try to cause us distance between them, while implying that the objectives of the "real father" were to "not follow his footsteps".

The religious aspects of Inception did not seem as severe and heavy as the suicide agenda in the film, but I mentioned some of the implications in my notes.

Saito seemed to represent Satan, and many of the agents of Saito also seemed to make certain statements that implied their bad intentions for all of us "fish" in the stream, and with terms like "father" and "god father" it seemed much more directed at Christians than others.
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it kinda goes right along with DiCaprio's other movie, Shutter Island ~ have you seen it?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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it kinda goes right along with DiCaprio's other movie, Shutter Island ~ have you seen it?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Did anyone see the movie?

just finished watching it myself.... I didn't read through all your points in the first post; did you come up with all those yourself?

btw ~ i agree with your analogy, but see it a bit deeper, I think.
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I hope you take the time to read my article and comment on how you see it as a bit deeper as well! I'm very interested in your ideas and comments on my ideas. Yes, I realized those things by myself, and watched the movie very carefully. I understand there were other concepts involved in the movie, but I focused on the ones that seemed like unethical assaults on unsuspecting audience members.
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it kinda goes right along with DiCaprio's other movie, Shutter Island ~ have you seen it?
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Wow, I didn't know he was in that! I keep hearing about it in connection with this movie, I didn't realize he was in that as well! Do both have the same suicidal agenda?
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Inception had a great ending IMO.. I don't nescesarily think it was intended to subliminally cause people to kill themselves... but rather question their reality.
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Did you look at my notes carefully? Yes, I agree the movie was great fun and really cool too, but I really see strong suicide suggestions almost relentlessly throughout the first hour of the movie.

Yes, it makes people doubt reality, but also suggests repeatedly that waking up is more important or valuable than dreaming, that we are dreaming now, and the only way to wake up is to kill yourself.
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