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MOVIE! INCEPTION: SUICIDE CAMPAIGN, MENTAL ATTACKS

 
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nah that inception seems like the movies Dreamscape 1980 and the matrix 1999 fused together , it didn't remotely seem original, it had a good plot in the realm of complexity but lacked scientific realism
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Well, its attacks weren't really scientific so much as philosophical and spiritual in nature. The main theme was the implication that "waking up" is important and that currently "we are not awake" and the only way to "wake up" is to kill ourselves.

They stated certain things like it was fact, which also made their suggestions readilly accepted by some viewers in order to continue to work with the premises presented in the movie, but with those premises came lethal suggestions repeatedly.
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Interesting analysis OP. My 14 year old daughter said it was her new favorite movie so I rented it a couple of weeks ago and watched it with her. We have similar tastes in movies. I thought the film was TERRIBLE! The casting was poor, the plot was absurd and it was just plain boring. Still like your analysis and would probably have to agree with it.

Didn't care for Shutter Island either. Very predictable, IMHO.
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You make a number of excellent observations.

Attack 4: Shoot yourself in the head if anything strange happens to indicate you're "dreaming" because thats what you do when things feel strange and it is important to be "awake" for some reason. DiCaprio nearly shoots himself in the head based on only a spinning top that spins a little longer than usual.

I got a little chill when I read that.

And:

Attack 7: "Dreams feel real while we are in them, right?" causing agreement with the statement "It is only after we "wake up" (connected with suicide) that we realize something was strange." "You can't remember the beginning of a dream, you end up in the middle, so how did we end up here?" This suggests that if you can't remember something, the beginning, or how you got where you are you are dreaming and need to "wake up".

It reads exactly like the sort of suggestion they'd implant in a mind controlled assasin.
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I also got the feeling that these could very easily be the type of stuff they teach certain soldiers in order to justify their brutal actions. I remember the scene where DiCaprio brutally killed some human beings and said "they are just projections" and then even killed some others and said "no, they are just projections". That seems like a great excuse for making murder seem less horrible. He even shot his own partner square in the head without any feeling in order to "wake him" so that he would not feel any more "pain".

I'm glad you got a chill when you read that! It probably made me feel that way too, because it put such an implied importance on waking up, and that any mild abberation would indicate we are not real enough and should kill ourselves to "wake up". They even went so far as to show normal mundane reality, with pain, and any form of proof as not qualified enough to prove something is "real".

For example, traditionally people have come to believe that pain is one way to identify things feel real, but this movie said that doesn't mean it is real because pain seems real in the dream. They disqualified that form of proof. Then the other form of proof is that "I can't control these people" and they explained "they are your subconcious projections, you can't control your subconcious" so that disqualified uncontrollable events as qualification for reality too.

They brought it down to just an arbitrary item being one's only anchor to reality, and even that being doubtful, while working thoroughly to discredit every form of proof.

The only way to combat the suggestions of the movie is to realize that they were the ones making the underlying implication that "waking up" and "real reality" is more important than "dreaming". So if one realizes that, no matter what state we are in, so long as we are alive, it doesn't matter if we're dreaming or not and it isn't bad to live and be alive and even to dream, it might be ok then.

Otherwise, if we agree with the implied importance on reality suggested by the movie, while also accepting their relentless attempts to discredit mundane normal things we experience in life as "unreal", the only escape they suggest if you really want to ascend to the next level up is suicide.
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Inception had a great ending IMO.. I don't nescesarily think it was intended to subliminally cause people to kill themselves... but rather question their reality.


Did you look at my notes carefully? Yes, I agree the movie was great fun and really cool too, but I really see strong suicide suggestions almost relentlessly throughout the first hour of the movie.

Yes, it makes people doubt reality, but also suggests repeatedly that waking up is more important or valuable than dreaming, that we are dreaming now, and the only way to wake up is to kill yourself.
 Quoting: FreedomStands

I read your post.. Maybe you're right. It's pretty sinister to think about if you're correct.. I honestly didn't consider that being the agenda until I read your post.. I don't think the movie was that deep, or that there was a subliminal intention behind it.. That's saying alot because in most hollywood garbage the conditioning and brainwashing smacks you in the face..
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Interesting analysis OP. My 14 year old daughter said it was her new favorite movie so I rented it a couple of weeks ago and watched it with her. We have similar tastes in movies. I thought the film was TERRIBLE! The casting was poor, the plot was absurd and it was just plain boring. Still like your analysis and would probably have to agree with it.

Didn't care for Shutter Island either. Very predictable, IMHO.
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Thanks for your comment! I hope the messages in the movie just flew over most people's heads and they didn't manage to "plant the seed" that they may have hoped they did in the audience.

I understood the movie pretty well because I had read the wikipedia article just before seeing it so was pretty well prepared for all the story points and jumping around.

I'm glad you liked my analysis and agree with it!

Does Shutter Island have heavy suicide suggestions and themes as well? I don't think I'm going to see it!
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I read your post.. Maybe you're right. It's pretty sinister to think about if you're correct.. I honestly didn't consider that being the agenda until I read your post.. I don't think the movie was that deep, or that there was a subliminal intention behind it.. That's saying alot because in most hollywood garbage the conditioning and brainwashing smacks you in the face..
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Thank you so much for reading my post! I'm glad it made you reconsider the possibility that it might have had sinister intent! I believe Christopher Nolan is sharp enough to be able to covertly plant "neurolinguistic" and "hypnotic" implications and suggestions in his movie. I think the hollywood bulk are possibly "unskilled" in their efforts so we notice the tricks and can reject the suggestions immediately. This movie seemed alot more tricky, and had what Nolan might call "the prestige" in it, which is a term he used in his movie about magicians as a sly method of tricking people.

Nolan isn't quite a normal character himself in my opinion, his own brother Matthew Nolan is in jail, arrested by the FBI for the murder of a Costa Rican businessman. They seem to be a family of "agents" of some sort. One of my posts above discusses this.

The best way to make pervasive suggestions is to make them unnoticed implications. The movie even discusses that the "art" of "inception" is to "plant an idea" without letting the victim notice or else they will reject it, and also to make them suggest them idea to themselves rather than suggesting it directly. They said basically that "They need to think it was their own idea" for the trick to work.

The movie exposed some of its own tactics in the scene where they are discussing the plan when all the team members are sitting around and talking about what suggestion to make and how "positive" affirmations trump negative ones. After they talk about that they quickly mention how one has to believe it was their own idea and suggest things to themselves based on the implied statements made by the agents trying to plant the idea.
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Andrew asks Sheehan whether it would be worse to "live as a monster, or die as a good man". He then walks off calmly with the orderlies."

The movie is basically suggesting that if you come to believe that you are being mind controlled then you are insane and should be lobotomised for your own safety. Sort of setting up in advance that anyone who believes that Inception has mind control suggestions is crazy/living in a fantasy world and needs to shut-up about it or else.
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Wow! Two movies with similar themes and suggestions is pretty suspicious! Great analysis by the way. Look how they give no other option, either you live as a monster or die, and that you would be a "good man" if you die and if you live you are a monster and that is bad.

There is a strong movement towards depopulation, and I think that suggesting suicide may be an initial effort to cause people to be ready to kill themselves if any trouble occurs soon or things start to seem unreal.

One of the most dangerous parts of the trick is that they depict the "unreal" very similarly to what we are also told is "reality" or things that look and seem real. This is a smooth way, without any obvious statements, to make people register their own reality as "unreal" without actually saying it bluntly, just by depicting mundane reality in all its detail and showing it as a "dream".
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You are right, although i didnt take the time to read your entire post i didnt need to. That's the first thing that came to my mind after watching the film. Infact I, like a lot of people, have always been more intrigued by death and what may come next and not really scared of death.

This film certainly had me thinking more then usual about the possibilites of the ultimate adventure - death. I'm not suicidal by any means, but i can understand how people that may be suicidal may recieve just the right push they need after seeing some of the ideas in the film. Still a good film, but over rated like all of Nolans work.
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This movie pretty clearly suggested that "death" isn't quite good enough by repeatedly asking if "you want to become an old man, full of regret" basically suggesting that growing old and waiting to die, one will become alone and full of regret and that it is bad. Meanwhile it rushes a person into "taking a leap of faith" and killing oneself in order to wake up.

I hope you read my article, despite its length, as I'm interested in what you might think of my analysis.

If they just said dying naturally will be an adventure, it might not have been as dangerous seeming, but they seem to suggest that waiting to die is bad and that you'll regret it if you do it and be very unhappy. Even for the elderly Saito they suggest he should finally kill himself in order to "wake up" and "be a young man again".

Even Dicaprio and his wife in the movie were not allowed to die of old age to leave their dream state, but rather had to place their heads on a train track to have them crushed in order to "wake up".
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i am trying to remember if i have seen it

what is the storyline plot? who is the main actor(s)?


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"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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You make it sound like it would be a bad thing if the easily controlled sheep started to commit suicide. That seems like a really good thing. It doesn't seem to be working though as I fail to see the retards around me shooting themselves in the head.
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Maybe you should try to reconcile your relationships with the flock?

I think it is pretty unethical to try to suggest repeatedly to unsuspecting people that they should "wake up" and the only way to do that is to kill yourself.

I think what would be the best thing probably is that those who don't want people to live, should be the first to leave.

I value life, dreaming or awake, happiness or sadness doesn't matter to me so much as life and living. Their next effort will be to suggest that "you aren't quite living enough" and that you should "kill yourself in order to truly be alive". I really think they should back off.

It is important to be polite I think, so one might say "after you!"
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Thanks for that clip. I found the most interesting thing about that parody to be how the guy behind dicaprio is making sounds that are distracting from the suggestions being made by the other characters.

I was discussing something similar today about how the news seems to put some moving backgrounds that may be distracting to the viewer so that the suggestions read off the teleprompters more easily enter the subconcious if that is the intent.

Sound and movement can be utilized as an easy way to divert concious attention in order to suggest things to the "subconcious" which is possibly a large part of the story of Inception as well.
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absolutely the only thing of value is what we experience, our wellbeing and that of others around us, some people seemingly want to destroy all of that so they can tell themselves they've won some kind of intellectual victory in their own minds, but who will they have really defeated other than themselves?
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Very good point. The easiest way to defeat suicidal programming is to realize that living is the most important thing and that it is all that matters, not "how real" things are.

Yes, there is a theme in Inception that reality is more important and worthwhile than "dreaming" that one should personally take action upon themselves to stop "dreaming" that normal reality isn't quite real enough and is still "dreaming" and that the only way to find out if you can escape the realistic "dream" is to "wake up" which should be pursued, and the only way to "wake up" is to kill yourself.

So the trick is really in the implication that it is important to "wake up" and that you're "not awake enough" at any time and you can't know if you are awake or not without suicide.
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Honestly i think the idea is sound that through perception we do live in a waking dream reality which, for me, is desirable to wake up from.

Only the nefarious Hollywood trick comes in when all the spiritual things required to do this are translated physically. So that ego death becomes physical death.
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My whole life I've had a recurring dream of standing on my 16th floor windowsill and getting ready to jump. Sometimes I I can fly off the ledge, but a lot of times its so real I can't tell whether its a lucid dream or the real thing and I hesitate...

The movie scared me for all the reasons you mentioned. Especially the part where Marianne Cotillard was getting ready to jump and her reasoning. I have also thought this. I believe some of it was designed to mess with programmed people and trigger their suicide programs
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You might want to move to a lower floor.

Yes I agree that it might have been designed to mess around with people who have been programmed by other things prior to the movie, but I believe the movie itself tries to plant programming "seeds" in the people, just as that is the whole theme of the movie as well.

Do you consider yourself programmed? There are some people on GLP and other places who claim to have been involved in some major attempts at brainwashing performed by "the cult".

I believe the real trick to brainwashing isn't so much the direct suggestions as much as the implications those suggestions come with that are accepted in order to understand the sentences and ideas being presented. The implications are where the self acceptance and internal affirmation of the ideas come from.

If one realizes the implications and that the implications are warrantless or false, the entire program falls apart.

For example the implication in Inception is waking up is more valuable and preferable than dreaming.

By accepting that, the next suggestion is that the only way to wake up is to kill yourself.

If one realizes that there is no reason to believe waking up is more valuable than dreaming, then it doesnt matter what state we are in so long as we are alive and the entire program solution is thrown out since there is no need for the solution at all.

Implied suggestions can be extremely dangerous and it can be tricky sometimes to realize how they seep in. One has to be very alert to notice what isn't said but what is implied, since the unsaid implications can be more dangerous than the obvious statements.
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For Freedomstands

An extremely interesting article,very well worked, I've seen
the movie, which kept me pinned for its entirety and will watch it again with most attention on certain points you underline. I have a question on the No. "528" on the door, (while going on the second level at the hotel) what did you think it means? (date 28/5?) I can't figure it out.
Thank you for a very good work and your response

Have a nice weekend!



In Numerology 528 is a Key
[link to www.biblewheel.com]
and in New Age it is the vibration of healing/repair (Hz)
I suspect it is more in others
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Thank you so much, A lot of reading I must do, don't mind it
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yeah, the movie was all about sorcery. very interesting I thought...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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hilarious...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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Honestly i think the idea is sound that through perception we do live in a waking dream reality which, for me, is desirable to wake up from.

Only the nefarious Hollywood trick comes in when all the spiritual things required to do this are translated physically. So that ego death becomes physical death.
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Can there be any other reality for you than that which is perceived in some way?

See the implication is that you can "wake up" from "perception" but "perception" is how you experience anything, like through your senses and thoughts. If waking up is somehow different from sensing and thinking, it seems that the only other option is not sensing and not thinking, which is death or non existence.

I agree with your analysis about translating things into the physical actions that can be dangerous and that it is probably not so harmful to work on spiritual elements rather than actually taking physical and potentially self detrimental actions to ascend.

But how can you "wake up" more than you already are? I think that one of the first evil suggestions to the human race was that we are not good enough however we are, that we should or could be better, and that because we aren't good enough how we are, we aren't awake enough, strong enough, happy enough, but we can be so much better if we just do some things.

How many people readily accept those kind of suggestions? How does anyone have the right or knowledge to say we aren't good enough how we are, that we must work to be better than alive and that life isn't worth living if we don't try to become better than this.

When life, perception, senses, reality is all we have, to say it isn't good enough and that there is something better than life, perception, senses, and this reality is the first step to get people looking for something more than living, perceiving, sensing, and realizing. Do you know of some options other than living that should be worked towards?

But thank you for your analysis, I agree as well with much of what you said, and I'm not trying to suggest self control, discipline, and self perfection are not noble goals, so much as that they can be the implied ambitions that allow dangerous suggestions to convince us of what actions to take despite the potential consequences.
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Thank you so much, A lot of reading I must do, don't mind it
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Thanks for visiting again! I hope you come to the conclusion that numbers in of themselves are probably arbitrary and have no real power in any sense but that occultists use them so extensively that it may seem to indicate that the numbers themselves have some power, when it is actually just the people using the numbers repeatedly due to their beliefs about them that are causing their re occurance. I think they can be a good clue at identifying occultists, especially their obsession with 13, M, and V.
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I had a very disturbing lucid dream experience just prior to seeing the movie.

I was dreaming. I became lucid. It was very strong because usually I'll start to wake up. But this time it was the opposite. I was afraid that I might never wake-up!

I also realised that now that my lucid world was my real world and I was stuck there the people in the dream world could really hurt me. The power of lucidity lies in being able to wake-up.

To me there is a very real and powerful suggestion that if this were to happen again I should kill myself to wake-up.

If nothing else Inception is clearly about lucid dreaming.
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Well, the real suggestion is unsaid, and that is the implication that it is more important or valuable to be awake than it is to be dreaming. If you don't worry about if you are dreaming or not, and don't consider it of primary importance to be "awake" you'll probably survive the lucid dream experience as well life itself.

I wonder, have you been eating anything or drinking something or had anything that might be related to prompting this dream experience?

I have a feeling that (as Christopher Nolan's other movie, Batman Begins clearly shows) some of the water supply and air supply may be currently poisoned with mild hallucinagenics that could work towards people feeling or acting strangely or more readily seeing strange things. I think that drinking water lightly poisoned with hallucinagenics or other chemicals that remain unidentified may be an easy way to make people more suggestible in general. Of course, that may not be the case at all, but I've wondered about it anyway, and it was a theme in Batman Begins as well.

For example, my idea was that perhaps in order to make people feel some major event on spiritual levels was occuring, they may fabricate the feeling by poisoning the water or releasing chemicals widely that may have mild of not extreme psychological or hallucinagenic results.
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Thanks! I hope you get the chance soon! I eagerly await your comments!
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So this is another movie put out by TPTB, trying this thought control so most of us will kill ourselves so they don't have to do it?
I don't watch movies.
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Can there be any other reality for you than that which is perceived in some way?

See the implication is that you can "wake up" from "perception" but "perception" is how you experience anything, like through your senses and thoughts. If waking up is somehow different from sensing and thinking, it seems that the only other option is not sensing and not thinking, which is death or non existence.

I agree with your analysis about translating things into the physical actions that can be dangerous and that it is probably not so harmful to work on spiritual elements rather than actually taking physical and potentially self detrimental actions to ascend.

But how can you "wake up" more than you already are? I think that one of the first evil suggestions to the human race was that we are not good enough however we are, that we should or could be better, and that because we aren't good enough how we are, we aren't awake enough, strong enough, happy enough, but we can be so much better if we just do some things.

How many people readily accept those kind of suggestions? How does anyone have the right or knowledge to say we aren't good enough how we are, that we must work to be better than alive and that life isn't worth living if we don't try to become better than this.

When life, perception, senses, reality is all we have, to say it isn't good enough and that there is something better than life, perception, senses, and this reality is the first step to get people looking for something more than living, perceiving, sensing, and realizing. Do you know of some options other than living that should be worked towards?

But thank you for your analysis, I agree as well with much of what you said, and I'm not trying to suggest self control, discipline, and self perfection are not noble goals, so much as that they can be the implied ambitions that allow dangerous suggestions to convince us of what actions to take despite the potential consequences.
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Your elucidation is quit refreshing around here, I appreciate it. hf

About perception, it see it like a stained glass over my interaction with reality, i more or less (more now, non existent when we are born) have chosen the colors Reality filters through. They are my beliefs and they work to guide energies that have the capability to go in any direction, to one direction.

The goal is to dissolve the filter and let Reality reorganize the filtering process so that no personally generated illusion could ever blind oneself again.

It isn't the realization that I am flawed or wrong, but capable of so much more and it is the current structure of my being which holds me back. A malleable thing. To be handled with utmost care and love as well as perfect discipline.

I come from a place not of belief but of faith (actual experience of greater Reality) and it is that taste that has lit a fire in me to further burn the dross of everyday "life"

It is simply a matter of ceasing the such short wavelengths of life, our daily habits, even the English language, all our daily busyness keeps us within a certain vibratory threshold, shorter than the "God waves" which most now longer magnetically interact with and metabolize

That is the purpose of the forty day fast in the woods.
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So this is another movie put out by TPTB, trying this thought control so most of us will kill ourselves so they don't have to do it?
I don't watch movies.
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Yeah, this might not be a good period to be watching new movies. A suicidal suggestion was even in Avatar the Last Airbender when the girl had to drown herself in order to "return the life she was given" to a fish!

I think that this is phase 1 of a plan to encourage depopulation. To first suggest that people should kill themselves, especially when things start to feel strange or become violent. Phase 1 may be accompanied by a Phase 2 plan to poison the water supply and air supply with chemicals that may encourage these types of actions or feelings, like feeling one is dreaming, derealization, and depersonalization. I don't believe these are the actual first attempts at this, as there has been a long lasting effort to introduce soy products to people which have been shown in some reports to cause depression by disturbing chemical balance.

This movie suggests that normal seeming reality isn't real enough and that you're dreaming and it is important to wake up and the only way to wake up is through suicide. The movie claims that "inception" means to plant the seed of an idea in a person which will later grow on its own into an idea that is "like a virus" and "defines them". The real definition of the word inception is "an undertaking" which means that this is a mission and the beginning of a project to try to convince people to kill themselves.

The next step may be to make those suggestions in the movie seem more viable by producing events or inducing feelings in people through potential physical chemicals they are unaware of to further encourage suicides.

The next step would be even more drastic measures to depopulate.
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Your elucidation is quit refreshing around here, I appreciate it. hf

About perception, it see it like a stained glass over my interaction with reality, i more or less (more now, non existent when we are born) have chosen the colors Reality filters through. They are my beliefs and they work to guide energies that have the capability to go in any direction, to one direction.

The goal is to dissolve the filter and let Reality reorganize the filtering process so that no personally generated illusion could ever blind oneself again.

It isn't the realization that I am flawed or wrong, but capable of so much more and it is the current structure of my being which holds me back. A malleable thing. To be handled with utmost care and love as well as perfect discipline.

I come from a place not of belief but of faith (actual experience of greater Reality) and it is that taste that has lit a fire in me to further burn the dross of everyday "life"

It is simply a matter of ceasing the such short wavelengths of life, our daily habits, even the English language, all our daily busyness keeps us within a certain vibratory threshold, shorter than the "God waves" which most now longer magnetically interact with and metabolize

That is the purpose of the forty day fast in the woods.
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Is the end result to lose the "self" and individuated cognition and to become "one" with reality and no longer have any personal personality or perception?
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Wow, this is portion an article:

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When you get into the edit suite after shooting a movie, you feel a responsibility to an actor who has trusted you, and Heath gave us everything. As we started my cut, I would wonder about each take we chose, each trim we made. I would visualize the screening where we'd have to show him the finished film—sitting three or four rows behind him, watching the movements of his head for clues to what he was thinking about what we'd done with all that he'd given us. Now that screening will never be real. I see him every day in my edit suite. I study his face, his voice. And I miss him terribly.

Back on LaSalle Street, I turn to my assistant director and I tell him to clear the skateboarding kid out of my line of sight when I realize—it's Heath, woolly hat pulled low over his eyes, here on his night off to take me up on my offer. I can't help but smile.

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Christopher Nolan talking about Heath Ledger. If you see the Doctor Parnassus movie it is ripe with clues and occultism and suggestions that Heath Ledger's death was faked (it shows faked deaths repeatedly throughout the movie). But what is really interesting about that movie was the suggestion in it that Heath Ledger was moving away from acting and going into directing mind control movies and initiations. Heath Ledger did direct a very hypnotic music video, and then it shows in Parnassus the same hypnotic backgrounds in a production Ledger's character supposedly makes in the movie.
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Is the end result to lose the "self" and individuated cognition and to become "one" with reality and no longer have any personal personality or perception?
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No, it is to hatch the self and finally have fully individuated super cognition.

It is like beliefs are what we paint on the inside of our eggs to tell us what the world is like, up to a certain point the egg is fully needed...too many spend way too long in it.

The exercise of faith is the pecking out those beliefs for real light shining through.

Fruition is walking around in the real world and slowly learning how to fly.

But this is all stuff I've back engineered from the very philosophies you are doing a great job at pointing out.

I admit i exist in a situation of "relative poverty". I was "fine" (ignorant) until shone what is possible. And yes it has made and ordinary life impossible but I'd not take it back for the world.

Because it is a motivation with eternal potential.

But again all this is a tailored belief system and my offering to God/Reality I expect to be fully consumed and used up...to be replace by actionable Truth.

Not floating around in some non specific self abdicating all bliss, but working the real and lasting work that makes all this worldly frippery dissolve into it's inherent meaninglessness.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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it kinda goes right along with DiCaprio's other movie, Shutter Island ~ have you seen it?


Wow, I didn't know he was in that! I keep hearing about it in connection with this movie, I didn't realize he was in that as well! Do both have the same suicidal agenda?
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no, not suicide but a serious "messing with the mind" theme.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I admit i exist in a situation of "relative poverty". I was "fine" (ignorant) until shone what is possible. And yes it has made and ordinary life impossible but I'd not take it back for the world.

Because it is a motivation with eternal potential.

But again all this is a tailored belief system and my offering to God/Reality I expect to be fully consumed and used up...to be replace by actionable Truth.

Not floating around in some non specific self abdicating all bliss, but working the real and lasting work that makes all this worldly frippery dissolve into it's inherent meaninglessness.
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How were you shown? Can you tell me about what led you to this and the event and how it faded?
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it kinda goes right along with DiCaprio's other movie, Shutter Island ~ have you seen it?


Wow, I didn't know he was in that! I keep hearing about it in connection with this movie, I didn't realize he was in that as well! Do both have the same suicidal agenda?

no, not suicide but a serious "messing with the mind" theme.
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Very interesting! Did you get a chance to read my article on the first page? You might find it interesting as well, and I'd like to know what you think of the various points mentioned.
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