MOVIE! INCEPTION: SUICIDE CAMPAIGN, MENTAL ATTACKS

yes, i think everything we see in any media form is meant to suggest what we are to either believe, need or want.

all week we have been bombarded by the media concerning the recent shootings in arizona to believe that talk radio, conservative tv personalities and politicians are to blame for what happened (before the facts were even in)...while at the same time they themselves are doing the exact same thing they are accusing the others of by focusing the blame on them

These are some my notes regarding that (I apologize for the tone used or the strong beliefs involved):

Gabrielle Giffords, who is the daughter of the cousin of Gwenyth Paltrow's father was supposedly shot recently.

13 others were injured, while 6 were supposedly killed.

One those killed was a girl who was born the day of the 9/11 attacks and had some celebrity from it, was also related to major baseball star and was the cousin of actress Sophie Bush.

Initial reports said Giffords was dead and killed but then said she was alive and responsive.

Her husband is a NASA astronaut. He has an identical twin brother who is a NASA astronaut of the same rank. They are the only siblings ever to go into space, whenever one shaves the other shaves too, whenever one has a mustache the other one does to...

His brother twittered from outer space with political statements about the "tragedy".

Meanwhile, after 5 years of being in a supposed "coma" Ariel Sharon rises from the dead.

Gabrielle, Ariel...

In the book of Revelation there is one section about a head of the beast seeming to have a mortal head wound whe is healed and the "world" follows them later.

Each of the heads who are supposed to be leaders, have a name that is a blasphemy related to God, and both of those names are that (thats the el part). Gabrielle supposedly means "Woman of God" but it actually comes from the word Gabriel meaning Strong one of God or Hero of God. While Ariel means Lion of God. The events are scripted deliberately to fulfill many things for many different groups watching eagerly.

It's possible this character they've introduced is part of the plan.

Anyway, the shooting is ridiculously fake. They included an imaginary kid from 9/11 just so they could make statements like "America's Baby has been killed" which is an actual statement they made, and also to constantly mention 9/11 with this event repeatedly. The kid is totally an invention that had no reason to be at this random event outside a grocery store, as was the whole incident a complete fabrication.

This is an important thread. Solely for the serious discussion about the potential for the AZ shootings to have beena staged event. The inception shutter island references are bonus.

Thank you so much! Would you like to talk about anything related to either the AZ shootings being staged or suggestions presented through film or television?

well, i do not know whether the shootings were fake or not

but i do find it strange that we have had no videos of it, as we are usually shown videos all the time when things like this happen...or usually someone with a cell phone gets something up on youtube or something

have been wondering if the caskets were open or closed at the funerals and if the public actually saw the deceased?

about the head wound, it refers to something else, as this beast in revelation is not a person

Well, I'm pretty sure the bible is pretty clear that each of the heads and crowns are references to human leaders. This is also clarified in another similar mention in Daniel.

What did you think it was talking about?

Even if the caskets were open that could be faked, nobody knows what "public" might have been there anyway. I mean they can fake things extensively, and they really don't need much to just say whatever they want.

I think it is very clear that the whole event was faked to the extreme, especially considering she is from a family of actors, married to a total scam story, and was shot in the head but survived. Meaning, she wasn't shot in the head, nothing happened, the information is false. Even the random 9/11 kid was a total invention who is even related to actress "Sophie Bush" and part of a famous family of baseball stars. The woman who is supposedly the mother of the child is unable to cry and can't help but constantly smile, but that is likely because the photo used for this child that probably never existed is likely the photo of the mother herself, since the photos look extremely dated as well as the hairstyle and the kid looks identical to the mother and nothing like the father and there are very few pictures despite how ambitious the kid supposedly was.

So really, if you look at the ridiculousness of everything, actors, twin space men, 9/11 born kid, being shot straight through the head and surviving. Its just like a big joke. Its really unbelievable. They can say whatever they want, they could've staged a video of the shooting too, but they didn't even do that apparently.

the fourth beast in daniel is the same beast in revelation and it is a kingdom with seven heads and ten horns, not a person

Daniel 7

1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters. 2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns

Daniel 7:23 - Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

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Daniel asks for an interpretation from someone in the dream and is told that the four beasts represent four kingdoms to appear on earth. The fourth beast and the horns especially intrigue Daniel, so he is told more about the fourth beast.


Unlike Chapter 2, only the latter half of the vision is interpreted, beginning with the fourth beast.

Vision
7 After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.

Gabriel's interpretation
23 The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom.
Vision
8 While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.

Gabriel's interpretation
After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.
Vision
9 As I looked, thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. 10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him;ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.

Gabriel's interpretation
26 But the court will sit,
Vision
11 "Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

Gabriel's interpretation
and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.
Vision
13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Gabriel's interpretation
27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.
Arthur Ferch Th.D.[1] points out that the vision forms a chiasm:

A. First 3 beasts (4-6)
B. Fourth beast (7)
C. Little horn (8)
D. The Judgment (9, 10)
C'. Little horn (11a)
B'. Fourth beast (11b)
A'. First 3 beasts (12)

Revelation 13:3
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.

He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.

He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Revelation 13:11
Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,

so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Revelation 17:9

"This calls for a mind with understanding: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills where the woman rules. They also represent seven kings.

They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.

The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.

They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.

Revelation 17:15

Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

See, you'll see that beast heads seem to represent kingdoms and heads of state, and so do horns. The explanations are given pretty clearly in the Bible. I don't think these are literal beasts it is talking about but are symbols. The reason all the heads are connected to one body is because they are united in one cause under the Dragon, Satan. Essentially it seems to describe a single empire with many heads ruling different parts or continents of the world.

The crowns seem to signify kingship or ruling authority, the heads seem to signify locations as well as kings, while the horns also seem to signify kings or leaders as explained pretty clearly in the quotes I provided.

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Sorry about that though! I just wanted to show you where I got that idea and that it has some scriptural back up.

Did you see Inception?

it looks like you are saying that the fourth beast is a kingdom too

many think it is an individual person, but the seven heads actually represents the whole world, like seven continents

one head is wounded and that weakened the total power of the beast, until the wound was healed and it then went on to have world dominion again

the wound is nearly all healed now, which means it would have it's full power soon (except for divine intervention)

this beast was, and is not and yet is. (this does not apply to a person, this kingdom is one that existed before, does not exist in a material sense now but it does exist in a power sense) if that makes sense, you can figure out what it is

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Great points, thank you very much!

I think that your interpretation may be absolutely correct, but that those who are occultists may attempt to twist the meanings of things or interpret it differently so as to introduce it in ways that they are able to simulate. For example, they may be suggesting to even their own followers that she is that head of the beast, based on the head wound and its magical healing and that she might be the next president. That doesn't mean in the future there won't be a more accurate or real instance of it happening, but that there are people trying to use the Bible to support their own agendas.

So has anyone seen Inception or any other strange attempts at suggesting dangerous things?

yes, this is just one thing that the real meaning has been man/ipulated and mis/interpreted, hehe

remember the tower of babel in the bible? the builders left off building it then because of divine intervention, but they have been trying to rebuild it ever since and are wanting to finish the job

the head wound (of the head that was injured, or holding back the completion) has prevented it thus far but the wound is about healed (no longer holding it back), as we can see from world events

can you figure out what that wound was?

I did. And I think you've got too much time on your hands.

Would you rather I did something else?

Probably not. But to make it easier for their own followers to believe things they would probably depict it as a literal wound of some kind. In the case of reality though, I don't know unless it is written clearly somewhere.

that's it!

yeah me too MO,
and nice job OP collecting your thoughts so thoroughly

Thank you and thanks for reading them! I truly appreciate it! Would you like to say anything else about your experience with Inception or things that you noticed?

nite FS, zzzzzz

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Thank you so much for visiting!

So has anyone else seen Inception and read my notes on page one?

A new way to look at life in a different form of Matrix.

That would've been fine, but it came coupled with certain value implications and suggestions which weren't so nice seeming.

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Awful film

Truely awful. One of those films the critics con you into going to see. I enjoyed the bit with the snow, reminded me of Where Eagles Dare. But the rest of it, something about ohh...it was all just a dream reminded me of the Dallas shower scene. Lazy writing as my english teacher used to say.

I thought it was awful

The snow scene reminded me of a video game called Rainbow 6 Rogue Spear. It seemed to have a "level" totally identical to that, even the facility and how it looked.

Yeah, alot of film school writers solve every problem by saying it was all just a dream. I think that would've been fine if they didn't couple it with "so kill yourself".