The Innitiation of Ophiuchus (13th Zodiac) and the introduction into mass conciousness by MSM - 2012

Interesting thread - thanks!

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Most excellent information OP.
I have something to add... brb

Your birth sign doesn't have to change. Horoscopes are based on the Tropical Zodiac.

Basically 'sidereal zodiac' can be interpreted as 'star zodiac'; and 'tropical zodiac' can be translated to 'symbolic zodiac'.

It's whatever your comfortable with, imo.



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"Sidereal astrology is the older astrology and is based on where the constellations are physically located when viewed from earth. at the time of the tropical zodiac being developed, the sun was around the first degree of Aries on the first day of Spring (this was based on what was seen in the sky). So if the beginning of the zodiac began on the first day of Spring, then that day would mark in the sky the first degree of Aries, so all the other constellations would follow, the movement of the planets would then be easier to map. It is important to note that at that period of time thousands of years ago that both the sidereal and tropical zodiac were basically the same.

BUT… most people do not know that because of various planetary influences and other technical considerations that the tropical zodiac is now no longer in the same position as the sidereal one (this is technically known as the precession of the equinoxes.

Basically the sidereal (or star) zodiac is based on the constellations as they are, whereas the tropical (or symbolic) zodiac uses the constellation positions as they used to be."

Here is the sidereal information for the signs in case anyone was wondering.

Capricorn: January 20 - February 16

Aquarius: February 16 - March 11

Pisces: March 11 - April 18

Aries: April 18 - May 13

Taurus: May 13 - June 21

Gemini: June 21 - July 20

Cancer: July 20 - August 10

Leo: August 10 - September 16

Virgo: September 16 - October 30

Libra: October 30 - November 23

Scorpio: November 23 - 29

Ophiuchus: November 29 - Dec 17

Sagittarius: Dec 17 - January 20

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The 13th bloodline =

In flesh I walk with sadness gripped I see your faces grey, If only I could show you light; this would make your day. The Bennu bird or Phoenix as some would call it now, Has first to be obliterated and then I show you how.You wait for my discretion, a saviours hand in light, But first I fall to ashes before I show you might. I wish you all could know me, I wish you could all see, That life is just a daydream given to you and me.Your horrors and your tears will soon be turned to dust, But that is when I come back and show you what I must. I am Bennu; a Phoenix in my light, My cycle soon to start in ashes blazed alight.

I am so intrigued by this and I've felt a change in the world or maybe just my personal world since the eclipse on the solstice.

I thrilled to no longer be a Scorpio - I was in need of a change

an invocation....

This is awesome stuff duFon!

Going from an Aries to a Pisces makes perfect sense for me!
I too am excited about getting this information Turtle :)

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three eight four....

cre ate or....

The connection to the hiding of the light bringer seems to be connected to this.

Starting with the villainy of the snake (garden of eden...eve tempted and gaining knowledge=EVIL...downfall for mankind)

The constellation, Ophiuchus, has been known as Serpentarius, the Serpent Holder which looks kind of like a man handling a snake...or the symbol used today as an Asclepius - the medical staff.

Imhotep is connected thru his knowledge and use of medicine...he was attributed to bringing the art of healing to us. He was also referred to as Asclepius...the 13th constellation is generally the only sign directly attributed to actual human...

Asclepius is thought to be the bearded man wearing a robe that leaves his chest uncovered and holding a staff and snake and he is also thought to be capable of bringing back "the dead"...and my feeling is more than physical death which is being referred to.

Sumerians link this staff and snake to the healing god Ningishita.

It's my feeling that early leadership was trying to hide the actual purpose of Lucifer...which was to bring to the light the hidden knowledge of god...which was meant for all mankind to KNOW.

It was man that created the evil version of satan/lucifer for the direct purpose of creating fear as a means of control for the masses...putting a higher meaning on physical reality which completely shut out a whole OTHER world to our existence. Hence the veil...the grand forgotten.

In a book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, it describes how the serpent is a symbol of the savior...who gives the world and all of creation the knowledge of itself...and the realization of good and evil.

A great compilation of the flow which I'm referring to is here...

[link to lewisdt.com]

I know this post is a little scattered...but it's interesting to see all kinds of these old myths and stories, legends, and even historical bible references point to the coming of one thing.

Mankind's appropriation of knowledge...being the catalyst for it's real awakening...our universal self aware of itself...and aware of our own role as creator...our true nature...at one WITH god.

Blasphemous right?

I'm not so sure anymore.

great read .. things to ponder for sure.

I always knew I wasn't really a Leo & this proves it because if I go by this now I am a Cancerian!

As for a pre-tribulation rapture it would likely happen this May. Israel 1948 + 70 years (one generation) = 2018. 7 years of tribulation starts after the rapture. There is a six month period to the Battle of Armageddon (the sequel to [link to www.lib-art.com] ) on Dec 21, 2018.

QUESTION: IS THE FLUFFY MAGNETIC RIBBON IN SPACE THE MYTHICAL SERPENT?!


Its absolutely bizarre for you to post the link to this video! I've been searching for it for two days, and couldn't remember the name.

hmmm went from a aries to a pisces ... Veeeerrrryyyyy interesting ... i .. i ... i.... don't feel like a pisces LOL

Like Ian Lungold say's in his presentation. This is the galatic period. 13 intentions.. falls right along with his theory.. hmmm... interesting

The serpent is not mythical. Anymore.

the story of the garden of eden has been twisted imho.

From my own research and study this is the version that i've come to see:

The serpent is the symbol of poseidon
the eagle the symbol of zeus

the story of the brothers is that Poseidon saw in us the spark of divinity, he wished to teach us and give us the knowledge that we may expand and ascend into our full potential as the Creator had intended.

But Zeus saw otherwise, he instructed his children to take al knowledge from the rest. They have gathered it all close to their bosoms and in ignorance they rule us.

It was not knowledge that was evil, but the absence of it which is where we find ourselfs now.

Immortality is a side effect of knowledge, and has always been within reach, simply hidden.

Makes you wonder why the number 13 was considered to be bad luck in some arenas....

great collection of information btw!

AHHHH HA!!!

Gosh, now I understand why Snake has come to me. Snake came when I started to awaken, and has been hanging around ever since. I even found a 'rattle' on the desert floor, in almost perfect condition!

Hi v22!

Even the Ouroboros...the dragon/serpent encircling its tail...the beginning and the end...representing a cycle...also known as lemnicscate.

The lemniscate enjoys widespread usage in the esoteric world. In the esoteric world the lemniscate became symbolic of the future and futurist thought, depicting eternal life, harmonious interaction between conscious and subconscious, serenity, harmony and dominion over the physical plane.

[link to lewisdt.com]

Any one who studies more than basic astrology knows about this sign so its not like it was some hidden thing. Your interpretations are interesting though.

SOOOOOOO, its an old diatribe....lol...they bring it back up every once in a while......

The Tropical zodiac that we use is based on the turn of the seasons and the equinoxes. It is NOT exactly in line with the constellations and has not been for a long time. Ignorant astronomers don't realize this and assume that our zodiac is ‘wrong’ because the constellations don’t perfectly match up. The Tropical zodiac is moves according to Earths journey around the sun and it’s tilt, that is why there are zodiac sun sign changes at the equinoxes and the solstices. The tropical zodiac, which is what most Western Astrologers use, is based on the northern hemisphere seasons. It is not based on the stars like the sidereal zodiac. Every concept in this system (Ptolemaic ) is based upon apparent motion


Western astrologers use the Tropical Zodiac which is not based on the actual ecliptic (which has more than 12 constellations anyway). The Tropical Zodiac never shifts degrees, the Sun reaches Aries Point (0 Aries) on March 20, ALWAYS
Astrology is based on a chart and calculations that differ from Astronomy. Astrologers have always known this. Astrology =/= Astronomy. They are almost completely separated minus the names of the planets and stars used.

SOOOO to sum it up astronomy is not astrology - for instance, astronomy doesn't recognize retrogrades, astrology lives with them; And as far as orph's addition at what astrological point in time did this happen? if you can't pinpoint a time, then you don't know where these changes start....and therefor all the other planets used in an astrological chart are also invalidated by this finding as all stars and positions are relative to each other and earth if using sidereal or the sun if tropical ; Basically if Llewellyn (the astrological bible) isn't coming out with a revised Ephemeris, then I don't think I'm changing the information i already use. Individual astronomers can function outside of accepted norms, too. So until i get proof positive that my Ephemerides are off, I'm sticking with what i already have and has been working...and that's thousands of years of conventional astrology.

some consider Eden and the so-called 'original sin' to be beneficial to mankind....part of the plan so-to-speak....