The Innitiation of Ophiuchus (13th Zodiac) and the introduction into mass conciousness by MSM - 2012

Hi Max!!
This is such a great thread! I tried to start one twice about this, but those that might have been interested, were not around at the time, so I am REALLY glad thar duFon started this one!

unlucky....

un lock key....

My daughter was born on 12/13......So what does it mean when you are born on the 13th day of the 13th sign?

Thanks Aruna!
How do you pronounce: Lemniscate?
Do you know?

Whoa!
Excellent Sugar!
I have always liked 13 too... not as much as 9, but I have never feared it in any way

Lol...not quite sure what the afro means...but it's a crazy concept right?

My beliefs about the actual meaning behind the concept of satan/lucifer differ from what the majority of the world has been fed and continually regurgitate.

Dig into it a little...bet you'd find some wonder there about it.

you are still the same horoscope sun sign as you have always been, its only those born after 2009 that are the new sign.

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IN 2009.......

so what if your bday is dec 17?

which are you?

Actually, I followed that just fine, and no, I don't think it is blasphemous, that word was created just to keep you from asking the big questions.

This is what is good to see though...people starting to ask those bigger questions and not letting fear of discussion stop them based on a belief it will lead them to being damned to hell for an eternity...all for just exploring all aspects of religion...history...our existence itself.

tell us more....

how about reciting the poem?

yes....nothing to fear....


pss....it's a secret....13....or psi....

:psi13:


turned 90 degrees:

:psi131:

Pronounced O-foo-kus
O-Fook-Us! We-Fooked! no matter how you dice it.
O-Fook-Me. I'm an 0-Foo-Kus.

Very interesting connection...



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My 12 inches + 1 of yours = 13
OMG!!

Please consider that Ophiuchus is the medicine guy as well.

Snake handler means medicine, hence the caduceus with its entwined snakes on ambulances. BUT there seems to be always two competing groups for the symbols, that is to say, the rod of asclepus [link to en.wikipedia.org] is transformed into the neo-tantric entwined snakes meeting symbol [link to en.wikipedia.org] which we see on medical stuff today. But under those symbols are both white and black forces. All symbols are used for both good and evil, as are all myths. WE must internally process them, to determine their use to us.

This removal of the snake zodiac is connected to the removal of Akehnaten and his ancestors from power 3300 years ago. Moses came from that time period and that place of the Thutmosides, and it is Moses who raises the copper serpent to heal his people once they flee Egypt's pre-Ramses priest/military regime.

The story of Moses is irreducibly connected to Greece as it was Amenhotep III who was all over Greece and the Med, and it is the greek myths of Pelasgian origin [link to en.wikipedia.org] which the Hebrews have inherited, at least according to Robert Graves, and I tend to agree with his statement that the Hebrews tweaked this into their Edenic Eve-as-evil myth.

As a side note I find it interesting to note that the Thulsa Doom symbol from Conan film (snake worshiping evil) is so similar to the snakes coming together in the modern caduceus symbol.

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I love snakes, but some people do not. I find them to be fragile, sublime creatures, but some people fear the fang of the serpent. This fear of snakes seems to me, irrational, for why fear what has no arms or legs? But people sometimes see snakes as hiding things which bite a child's foot, and therefore as evil. But does not the serpent then get his head crushed? I say snakes deserve our sympathy and understanding.

So even the snake, can be wielded for good or bad. Moses throws down with the priests of Egypt, and snakes engage in combat on the floor and Moses wins. Moses raises the copper serpent and the Greek myths fade further into the past. Jerusalem is restored by the Persians and then it is Moses who fades further into the past. Mohammed changes the prayer point from Jerusalem to the kabba, and then it is Jesus (the greater Moses) who fades further into the past. There is a force which tries to make snakes out to be evil, but the resonance from the past is that snakes are also as good as they are bad. Of course, if your line of inquiry stops at Eden and Torah, then you are forgetting that the talmud is from Babylon just like Mohammed is.

Interesting information there on the Chi Rho symbol.

It makes me wonder its connection to Chiropractic..........

[link to www.inline-chiro.net]

The top of the P is the head and the bottom of the P is the staff the X is the snakes.....

The 13 signs is a legacy of our ancestrals telling us the history of the beggining of the earth and humankind, as they knew, till the early period soon after the deluge...(occured around 12.000-10.000 BC)





wow, great 10min.

the original is of course in french. It is a thirteen page manuscript.
here is a link

[link to www.connectotel.com]

I don't have any personal interpretation, but it's a fascinating
rabbit hole to explore... and it seems connected to current events.

THE FOLLOWING SIDEREAL ZODIAC IS FOR PEOPLE BORN BEFORE 1990

ARIES = APRIL 19 - MAY 13
TAURUS = MAY 14 - JUNE 19
GEMINI = JUNE 20 - JULY 20
CANCER = JULY 21 - AUG 9
LEO = AUGUST 10 - SEPTEMBER 15
VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 - OCTOBER 30
LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 - NOVEMBER 22
SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 - NOVEMBER 29
OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17
SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 - JANUARY 18
CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 - FEBRUARY 15
AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 - MARCH 11
PISCES = MARCH 12 - APRIL 18

The following Sidereal Zodiac below is for children born beginning 1990:

AQUARIUS March 26 - April 18
PISCES April 19 - May 26
ARIES May 27 - June 20
TAURUS June 21 - July27
GEMINI July 28 - August 27
CANCER August 28 - September 17
LEO September 18 - October 24
VIRGO October 25 - December 9
LIBRA December 10 - January 1
SCORPIO January 2 - January 8
OPHIUCHUS January 9 - Janury 26
SAGITTARIUS January 27 - February 27
CAPRICORN February 28 - March 25

Read more: Ophiuchus - The 13th Sign of the Zodiac 2011

The 13th Sign- Ophiuchus and the Resurrection of the Goddess
By Ayele Kumari
Birthofagoddess.com

It was obvious to me a few years ago that something in the zodiac was amiss. While all of the ancient charts seemed to indicate that there were 12 constellations associated with the zodiac, the actual map was obviously different. There it was ,between Scorpio and Sagittarius, was Ophiuchus glaring through. This particular sign was important to me because it was also home to the galactic center and black hole. This meant that it was associated with the Divine feminine and the ancient Goddesses. The milky way surrounding the galactic center was her breasts and the hole was her sacred orifice through which all planetary life was born. We can see ancient depictions of this zodiac in the form of a goddess who holds 2 snakes in her hand. It was later usurped by Greek scholars to make it a male but the evidence is clear. That it is now the 13th sign and announced on the 13th day ( of January, 2011) a number traditionally associated with women, witches, healing, and power is even more reason to pay attention. It is appropriate because this gives rise to the true meaning of the constellation which is transformation.

Through its healing power, Ophiuchus is known as the transformer. Whether it is health, wealth, or a state of consciousness, this energy will transform whatever is taking place This tells me that the new dawn is here and with it, evolution. This constellation was specifically associated with the veiled goddess or dark goddess. The inclusion of it is literally an unveiling and it represents the unveiling of the truth behind the illusions. I would expect in the coming years a great deal of “new discoveries” about our origins, science, women, and other hidden mysteries. There will probably be a woman coming into great power very soon. I know this has been said before this but the emerging of this sign is the official sounding bell. A paradigm shift is occurring right now.

Anyway the unveiling will happen on every level. Secrets will begin to come to light as are things long forgotten. Dreams and subconscious energies will begin to emerge more as parts of our psyche’s become unveiled. Because this energy is associated with the water...deep waters the oceans currents will show signs of change.

What was also apparent is that within each of the 12 depicted there was always a 13th that was female and set aside from the others. Dinah was the 13th daughter of Israel, Mary the Magdalen was known as the 13 disciple, and the queen of Sheeba was also known to consult with Solomon. While the other 12 represented masculine energy in the Bible, that thirteenth was both transformation in function and female. We see with Dinah that it was her experience with the Shekhem that caused them to move from their home. It was Mary the Magdalene who was at the tomb when Jesus was resurrected, and it was Queen of Sheeba that transformed Solomon’s reign. We see then, that the idea of transformation is clear along with its mythological associations.

The significance of Ophiuchus is not limited to just female energy however. It is also associated with healing. The snakes are ancient symbols for healing. We see them even today in the caduceus symbol used by the medical profession today. Snakes are associated with healing because of their relationship to the nervous system during evolution. As one of the most primal parts of humanity, the reptilian brain is connected to the core of our nervous system and the center of consciousness in the brain. This center when balanced and mastered produce healing and calmness. When imbalanced, it produces chaos and primal instincts and aggression emerging.

We also see Ophiuchus associated in mythology with Aesepcilus ( god of medicine and healing) in ancient Greece trying to bring Orion back to life. This story is repeated in ancient Egypt where Auset the Goddess associated with Ophiuchus, magic, and healing, is trying to bring her brother/husband Ausar ( Orion) back to life after he was killed and divided into 14 parts. She recovered 13 pieces as indicated by the elliptical orbit. After putting the 13 pieces together, she created a magical 14th piece and resurrected him. Ironically Orion used to be on the elliptical orbit directly opposite of Ophiuchus but is no longer. This is what the ancients considered to be the missing piece of Ausar’s body. In any case, putting the pieces together became associated with true healing and resurrection. Resurrection is then reiterated with transformation. To add Auset’s association to the constellation, on the outside of Auset’s temple in Egypt is a sign that reads” I am everything that was, that it, that will be...no mortal man has dared to lift my veil.” There goes that veil again. Lastly, another mythology specifically talks about Auset waking with Scorpians. It is no coincidence that the constellation of Ophiuchus is on the tale of the sign Scorpio.

For those not very interested in astrology or mythologies, suffice it to say that the Scorpio you thought you were may very well be different now. With the addition of Ophiuchus in the zodiac, it changes everything including all of the dates of the signs. The following is the new order and dates of the zodiac.

Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16.

Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11.

Pisces: March 11-April 18.

Aries: April 18-May 13.

Taurus: May 13-June 21.

Gemini: June 21-July 20.

Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10.

Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16.

Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30.

Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23.

Scorpio: Nov. 23-29.

Ophiuchus:* Nov. 29-Dec. 17.

Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20.

How is that for transformation? Changing things already...ain’t that just like a woman?

We all have this knowledge at our disposal, we've just had our awareness focused with laser-beam precision by this matrix program so that we have come to believe we need our sense organs to learn.

It's all a process of remembering, and we each have a grain of the truth inside of us that will rise to the surface and fit into the big mosaic -- and then suddenly the final piece in a puzzle will snap in and we'll all see the big picture together.

fook means 'rich and noble' in Japanese....

heres hoping you fook yourself....

2 dates for dec 17th

yes !!

what is the 13th part....Orion's head

Must be important for you to show up.

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