Daniel’s ‘70th week’ started in 2010 -

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Please watch the video presented. It lines it all up with dates using Daniels timelines.

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The common bone that is tossed out there, wholesale, is the premise that there is a final 7 year period of time that we should all be looking for to commence. The reality is that there is only a 3 1/2 year period that remains. The time is shorter than you think . . .

Thanks for the link, I will read through it and see what it's interpretations are. Just a quick glance shows that they do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, which I agree with but if We are to believe that the whole of Daniels prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 then where is the kingdom of G_d on earth and the fact that All Nations will worship him at. Maybe it's explained with a more in depth reading of it? Did you watch the video. Thanks for the comment.

Where are the two witnesses?

There an easy way to at least circumstantially prove they are not here yet.

The time is indeed short. The final 3 1/2 years starting at the abomination of desecration usher in G_d's wrath and Great tribulation. I will again quote from the other message board as I can't begin to explain it the same way at he does. The post follows:



As this is a complete 70 year (‘70 weeks’) interpretation, without a gap and a separated period of 7 years (which we then have to try and spot the re-commencement of – to see the ‘prophetic clock start running’ again) the start date is the start of the 70 year prophecy.

I.e., the international command – through United Nations Resolution 181 on 29 November 1947 – to re-establish the state of Israel, and establish (i.e. rebuild and develop) JERUSALEM as an INTERNATIONAL CITY.

The command to go forth and rebuild Jerusalem – capital of Israel – doesn’t get much clearer than that in practice.

And it’s the SECOND time such a command has been given, specifically mentioning Jerusalem (and obviously incorporating the ‘nation’) as opposed to just the Temple. The first time being the command of Artaxerxes Longimanus on 14th March 445 BC (by our Gregorian Calendar).

(According to the UN, Jerusalem was supposed to remain an ‘international city’ thereafter. Never to be under the direct control of the Jews. But that’s not what God said! So Jerusalem was captured by the Jews in the Six Day War of 1967 and they now manage it.)

The separation of the years (weeks) in the Prophecy – 62, 7 and 1 – and the ‘days’ given – 1335, 1290 and 1260 – cleverly give the keys to unlocking events and dates once you know the precise starting point.

And that is how this interpretation unfolds. And reveals some startling correspondences with notable Hebrew dates, Holy Feasts (which are a coded prophecy in themselves), and historical events pertaining to Israel.

We were only looking for a start point for the ‘70th week of Daniel’ because the most popular Biblical interpretation deals with 69 weeks (i.e. 483 years as ‘a day for a ‘week’) then stops the clock so that we are in an unspecified gap period. That left us with one separated week – now in abeyance for more than 2,000 years.

So then we obviously have to look for a sign that indicates the ‘prophetic clock’ has re-started and is ‘running’ once again, and the final 7 years has begun.

There is, incidentally, another interpretation for the first coming that sees the 70th week as starting with the beginning of Our Lord’s ministry (i.e. His baptism by John); his being cut off at the mid-point (i.e. His Crucifixion); and the passing of the Word to the gentiles, following the repudiation of the Gospel and Jesus Christ by the ‘official’ Jewish clergy at the martyrdom of Stephen, and the subsequent conversion of Paul, three and a half years later. So by this prophetic interpretation, Daniel’s prophecy of the First Coming of Our Lord, etc., had been completely fulfilled by 35 AD. That left people saying: ‘That can’t be right. Everything hasn’t yet been fulfilled! The end of sin? The coming of righteousness?’ Hence the separated week interpretation. However, we now seem to discover a second prophetic interpretation – relating to the Second Coming of Our Lord – within the same prophetic vision! Neat.

Steve Wohlberg propounds the above interpretation (as well as looking at some other things that might startle some of us) very coherently:

End Time Delusions

[link to video.google.com]

I can quite easily accept that the 7 year period identified within the ‘end times’ has started in 2010, by looking at all the things that have happened this year, and where they are definitely leading! Financial collapse and chaos; escalating war – possibly involving Iran and N and S Korea; the deluded hypnosis of a public fed mind-controlling media and their own refusal to even look at what is really happening; the gallop toward the One World Order – a system to be set up for Anti-Christ to enter; proliferation of Satanism and New Age pagan religion; bio-genetic engineering, creating bio-logical (and Demonic) hybrids; etc.

I would expect the next events to be serious conflict in the Middle East – perhaps another ‘surprise attack’ on Israel by the surrounding Muslim nations; appearance of an ‘anti-Christ’ figure – appearing suddenly out of nowhere and sending the world into a swoon (was Barack Obama a trial run?!); the Jewish altar sacrifice re-instated on Temple Mount, followed by desecration of the altar/temple (in 2013), etc.

So we don’t have long to wait. And everything does seem to me to be coming to a head. To be intensifying.

BUT … I refuse to hold uncritically to anything.

I trust in the Lord, and am absolutely convinced everything will work out as He intends, even if we get the fine detail of biblical prophecy a bit out of sync.

I was very much taken with a quote I came across by Alvin Tofler, author of the 1980s book ‘Future Shock’. He said:

"The illiterates of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."

That’s the key. We must be prepared to “learn, unlearn, and relearn", and not hold tenaciously to old beliefs just because they are old beliefs and we have become emotionally comfortable with them. Our Lord expects more of us. We must struggle to understand the ‘signs of the times’, so that we are ready and able to explain to others around us what is happening in a world that, I believe, is soon going to become very surreal indeed.

According to the Bible the very pit of Hell is to be opened, and men’s hearts will fail for ‘sight of the things to come upon the Earth.’

I’m not saying categorically to anyone that the prophecy interpretation here is definitely correct. I want to study it further. But the correspondences and the way it falls into place from the crucial date of 29 November 1947 is compelling. And that date would obviously be a very meaningful one to our God! The command going forth for the return of ‘His people’ to rebuild their homeland which He gave to them!

Sounds like a great contender for a ‘prophecy start date’ to me!


What we appear to have is a dual prophecy about Our Lord’s First and Second Coming, both prophecies contained in one prophetic vision. (Daniel 9: 24-27)

We have to dis-entangle the two prophecies.

The first prophecy (treating ‘weeks’ as days for a year – i.e. 7 years in each ‘week’) clearly prophesied the execution of Our Lord. Therefore the ‘cutting off’ of the Messiah is a critical part of this FIRST prophecy about Our Lord’s First Coming.

(But that is easy for us to see now. Remember, however, that it remained hidden to those studying Old Testament prophecy prior to Christ’s crucifixion, because they simply could not conceive of the coming Messiah being, arrested, tortured and crucified as a common criminal. Because of that ‘blind spot’ to the possibility of such an event, they missed the clear references to the Messiah’s death scattered throughout the Old Testament.)

The SECOND prophecy, which is the one we are dealing with here, is interpreted by a different path, treating ‘weeks’ as Shavuots (literally ‘Feast – or Festival – of Weeks’!), and utilising the timings given in Daniel of both various numbers of days, and his division of the 70 ‘weeks’. It does NOT say anything about the Messiah being executed – or ‘cut off’.

And for a very good reason

Our Lord is not returning this second time as a ‘sacrificial lamb’, to face a repetition of His agony on the cross, but rather His return this time will be as the ‘Lion of Judah’, the Judge of Nations. He is not going to be ‘cut off’ again. Therefore, the way the second prophecy unfolds makes no mention of such an event. Because it is not going to happen this time.

Because treating each week as referring to the annual festival of Shavuot – i.e. one week for a year – unlocks this second prophecy.

The ‘first coming of Our Messiah’ prophecy was unlocked by treating each week as being a ‘seven of years’, i.e. a year for a day.

Why?

Because it worked. It was the key to this FIRST prophecy.

Obviously a literal 70 weeks was no good; neither was 70 years. Because Messiah had not come by the end of those periods. Clearly, then, the ‘year for a day’ measure of time is used in the FIRST prophecy because it fits and makes sense.

But we only know that now with certainty because the event of the Messiah’s coming has happened.

Those who were studying scriptural prophecy before Christ’s advent failed to recognise what the ‘cutting off’ of the Messiah actually meant, and failed to recognise His fulfillment of the prophecy when He came. Because they were blinded by their pre-conceived notions of exactly how the Messiah would be and would behave, and appear to have had no conception at the time that Messiah is prophesied to come twice.

Again, we can only be sure of that now with the benefit of hindsight.

And this is one of the wonders (to me at least) of Biblical prophecy. It is so cleverly encoded that it cannot be used by elitist manipulators who can see exactly how everything is going to pan out beforehand. (Like those priests who had studied astronomy and, knowing the times of the eclipse, could then fool the ‘natives’ by pretending they were ‘commanding’ the sun to go dark.)

But after prophetic events have been fulfilled – like Daniel’s sequences of Kingdoms following Baylon – you can clearly see the prophecy fulfilled.

So using a shavuot in this way – indicating a year for a week – the prophesy unlocks ARITHMETICALLY by working through Daniel’s division of the 70 week period into 62, 7 and 1 ‘week’, and also the ‘days’ mentioned of 1335, 1290 and 1260.

It’s a bit like receiving a coded letter containing lines of letters that appear without meaning. Yet you know there is a code hidden in there by ‘equi-distant spacing’. You know, also, that the spacing is going to be either every 3 letters, 5 letters or 7 letters. So you try a 3 letter spacing – and get gibberish. You try a 5 letter spacing – and it remains meaningless. Finally you try the 7 letter spacing and a coherent message is revealed.

Same with the ‘weeks’ of Daniel. In the Hebrew it is perfectly legitimate to treat of weeks as being of days, weeks, or years, or as referring to the annual ‘Feast of Weeks’ (Tabernacles or Pentecost), i.e. shavuot.

You then apply the various ‘spacings’ to the code to see which fits and gives a coherent message.

Obviously ANY 70 year period can be split up in the arithmetic way applied to the SECOND prophecy here. But there is a further constraint. Namely, you are probably not going to get a coherent meaning, consistent with information we already posses, UNLESS YOU HIT THE RIGHT START DATE.

Utilising an obviously important Biblical event (i.e. the second command to establish Israel and build JERUSALEM as an ‘international city’ on 29 November 1947 – which ‘mirrors’ the starting event for the FIRST prophecy), we find some amazing correspondences with important Jewish calendar dates; historical events; and even astrological alignments that appear to reflect some of the statements about the behaviour of heavenly bodies found in the Book of Revelation. (Three eclipses – 2 solar and 1 lunar – for example, immediately following the return of Christ on this timeline, and all within one month! Very unusual!)

At this point it might be useful to review the main 7 Jewish feast days and their prophetic symbolism:

Apr/May

1. Passover - Crucifixion of our Lord, the ‘paschal lamb’. Remission of sin.
2. Unleavened Bread – burial of our Lord who is free of sin (unleavened)
3. First fruits – resurrection of Our Lord


May/Jun

4. Shavuot (Pentecost) – The gift of the Holy Spirit. Birth of Christ’s Church.

ALL The above have been fulfilled by Our Lord.

The following remain:

Sep/Oct

5. Feast of Trumpets – announcement of the return of Our Lord. The angelic trumpet.
6. Atonement (Yom Kippur) – Jesus arrived on Earth as our High Priest, is now Judge.
7. Tabernacles (Succoth) – Also known as ‘the Wedding Feast’. Christ and His Church (those who love Him) are united.

One of many examples of how this second prophecy uncannily inter-weaves with significant Jewish dates and Feast Days, is how the last three feasts – the prophetic events of which have not yet occurred – all fall into place within the 45 day period between Christ’s return to Earth, and the start of the Millennial Kingdom. All the feasts – and the events they pre-figure – are all completed, and fall to be physically celebrated on Earth (i.e. they fit the precise Hebrew calendar dates for these celebrations!), in the period after Christ’s Return and before the commencement of His 1,000 year rule.

The 2 witness arrive imediately after the abomination on March 21st 2013 and they are alloted 1260 days.

Thanks op. I will watch them and check the other link along with the biblelight link by the other poster.

Some things to keep in mind:

- These "Jewish" Feasts that you refer to are no where in scripture referred to in this manner by Yahuwah Himself. Instead, Yah refers to them as,"My Feasts".

- The 70th week of Daniel is centered on the ministry of Yahushua. It is he that the prophecy refers to as the one who is cut-off (killed) in the middle of the week after making a covenant with many (the renewed covenenant with the people of Yahuwah . . . Yah's Israel who are the children of Abraham).

- The clock did not stop at the end of the 69th week, but stopped when Yahushua was cut-off / impaled on the tree on Yahuwah's Passover (it was on the day of Passover, not the day before as some would have you believe!).

- Lucifer/ha satan stated in YesheYahu (Isaih) 14 (regarding his 5 fold plan to usurp the authority and reign of Yahuwah Himself) that he will be like the Most High. In other words, he will COUNTERFEIT everything that Abba has planned with his own fulfillments of prophecy . . . even the rebuilding of Yahurushalem again! What you refer to as that fulfillment under UN resolution and the Balfour Declaration is Lucifer's fulfillment of that prophecy . . . not the actual fulfillment that Yah has in mind!

Please heed this warning and command:

"Be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves."

Know their plans, know how they think and then you can discern more accurately what it is that your are witnessing on the global scale.

For instance, the prophecy regarding Yahurushalem being trodden under foot of the gentiles until the times of the gentiles being fulfilled is happening now! Open your eyes!
Those in control of the land of Israel, today, are imposters! They are not true Israel and it is not time to be in the land yet! Open your eyes!

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1221278 - Please note that I am copying the words of someone way smarter than me, but hopefully the context for you is not lost. I am trying to bring to light and answer what you have questioned and believe this post will help explain it. This whole video is talking about a dual fulfillment of Daniels prophecy. One for his first coming and the second to seal all prophecy and usher in the final kingdom. Please read how he explains it. I am unfortunately not as spirtually advanced to respnd to your questions on my own, but am attempting to get Steve to come over and participate in the discussion. Please see following post:

All constructive criticism welcome! Lol!

I don’t want to be fooled – or fool myself – any more than you.

But neither do I want to be like so many at the time of Our Lord’s first coming – i.e. uninformed and completely in error about the ‘signs of the times’.

After all, the end times have to occur to some generation of people. It is just that for many of us it may be a bit of a shock to realise that we – now! – are that generation! We may resist that understanding and acceptance, even as the evidence mounts and mounts … because it ‘can’t REALLY be happening in MY lifetime’ … can it?

In which case Our Lord will come upon us as ‘a thief in the night.’ Instead of as those who walk in daylight!

So far I think the evidence is compelling that we are on the cusp of the 7 year period often referred to as Daniel’s 70th week.

As it happens, I have been looking at the whole issue of the antichrist’s ‘covenant with many’, because it does figure so prominently in the general view of how the end times unfold. But the general view is not necessarily the correct one! Any more than the ‘earth is flat’ because most of the world believe it to be so.

I like the words of Marcus Aurelius:

"The opinion of ten thousand men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

And how many really know this subject from other than popular repetitions of the same themes, giving the impression that because so many people talk about the same thing, over and over again, that it is proven beyond question, and it MUST be true!

I am preparing you.

Because I have been a bit startled by what I have found as I have looked more deeply than I have before into the antichrist’s ‘covenant with many.’

So put aside any preconceptions and come with me on a journey. We will regroup, and re-consider where we are at, after we get through.

To refresh our memory of the verse in Daniel –

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” (Dan 9; 27)

The above verse is generally taken to mean something like:

“An antichrist will appear on the scene who, at the beginning of the 7 year period, will negotiate an agreement in the Middle East between Israel and the Arab nations, and part of the agreement will somehow enable the Israelis to rebuild their Temple on Temple Mount, and recommence the ‘daily sacrifice’. The antichrist will then break the agreement after three and a half years, and stop the sacrifice and defile the Temple. And all Hell will then break loose for the remaining three and a half years – a period that has been called ‘the Great Tribulation.’”

Is that a fair summation of the popular view?

Unfortunately, the verse ‘Daniel 9; 27’ doesn’t say that! It doesn’t say anything like that! The popular view is a weaving of speculative imagining as to what ‘could’ happen to fulfill the prophecy. (And this particular view seems mainly to derive from that very speculation propounded by Hal Lindsay in his best selling 1970s book: ‘The Late Great Planet Earth)

Let’s go back and see what the above verse REALLY tells us about this covenant:

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:”

And that’s it! That’s all it says!

All the rest is speculation!

ALL THE REST! Even the assumption that the subject of the phrase is ‘the antichrist’ – which comes from linking the pronoun ‘he’ with the phrase “and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary”, from the previous verse (v 26), and taking ‘the prince that shall come’ to be the antichrist.

And the statement that “in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate”, is just that; i.e. a ‘statement’ about an action. In the verse it doesn’t relate this action to breaking any covenant. It’s just something that ‘he’ does. Whoever ‘he’ is.

And in case you think I am being unnecessarily pedantic about who ‘he’ is, it may surprise some that in the interpretation of this prophecy in earlier centuries (and still today!) – particularly by the great Protestant Reformers – ‘he’ was interpreted as being Jesus Christ!

Why?

Because the decree to restore Jerusalem that was chosen was Longimanus’ decree of 457 BC (in which Jerusalem was given the right to govern itself with its own laws) – and it is possibly a more valid choice than the one popularly used today of 445 BC. And 483 years from that date takes us to 27 AD (457 + 27 – 1 ‘adjustment for no year zero’ = 483) which some calculate as the year of the Messiah’s baptism (start of ministry).

Messiah was then ‘cutoff’ three and a half years later, and caused ‘the sacrifice and the oblation to cease’ – because He was the final and ultimate Sacrifice, the ‘Sacrificial Lamb’, whose death on the Cross made all further sacrifice of animals unnecessary. The sin debt was paid in full! (In fact, the re-instatement of a ‘daily sacrifice’ on Temple Mount would be an affront to Our Lord and Our Father, and shows contempt for Our Lord’s agonising sacrifice on the Cross, which is simply ignored and replaced by animal sacrifices again. So I fail to understand why so many ‘Christians’ seem to get excited at the prospect!)

After a further three and a half years the official Jewish Priesthood finally rejected Christ and His Gospel at the martyrdom of Stephen (at which St Paul was present as a ‘prosecutor’ at the time – a short time before his ‘Damascus Road’ experience), and the Gospel ‘passed to the Gentiles.’ (So … Daniel’s ‘70th Year’ of 7 years by this equally valid prophetic interpretation = Baptism of Our Lord – Crucifixion – Gospel passes to the Gentiles.)

So you can see that the imputing of ‘he’ to antichrist is a fairly recent development!

OK.

I agree we have to go about unlocking the prophetic words. And that is going to involve – initially at least – some speculation as to what the words ‘could’ mean, and attempts to cross-reference and link up with other prophetic statements.

So I am not criticisng sincere attempts at understanding.

I do, however, give little worth to ‘the weight of popular opinion’ on any matter! – as it is usually notoriously incorrect and misguided. I would rather check whatever facts I can uncover for myself.

But I wanted to bring home the starkness of the statement about this ‘covenant’ in Daniel’s prophecy – before we go on to really try and pin it down – and also to show that the current popular understanding is far from being ‘gospel’! (Pun intended!).

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:”

Note that ‘one week’ may be ‘seven years’ (First Prophecy of First Coming of a day for a year), or it may be ‘one year’ (Second Prophecy re Christ’s Second Coming of a week for a year.)

Note also the word ‘confirm.’

This is a translation of the Hebrew word ‘gabar’, which as well as ‘confirm’ means ‘to strengthen’, or ‘give strength’

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

So we can forget about any new agreement (covenant) being drawn up! We are looking for one that already exists, and is to be ‘confirmed’, or ‘re-affirmed’ or ‘strengthened’.

It must also be an agreement ‘with many’. Not just an agreement between one or two ‘parties’.

So we are looking for an existing agreement between ‘many’, that has, or is being, or will be, ‘re-affirmed’ or ‘strengthened’. And, obviously, as the end times prophecies circle inexorably around Israel, and events within and surrounding Jerusalem, we would expect such an agreement to be one involving Israel and the Middles East.

Is there such an agreement.

Yes. There very definitely is. A very important agreement relating to Israel and the Arab Nations …

… and which was ‘re-affirmed’ and ‘strengthened’ in 2010!

It is known as ‘The 2003 Road Map Agreement’

A Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent
Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

The U.S. State Department April 30 released the text of the "roadmap" to a permanent solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The roadmap specifies the steps for the two parties to take to reach a settlement, and a timeline for doing so, under the auspices of the Quartet - the United States, the European Union, the United Nations, and Russia.

Following is the text of the roadmap:

Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
April 30, 2003

A Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent
Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

The following is a performance-based and goal-driven roadmap, with clear phases, timelines, target dates, and benchmarks aiming at progress through reciprocal steps by the two parties in the political, security, economic, humanitarian, and institution-building fields, under the auspices of the Quartet [the United States, European Union, United Nations, and Russia]. The destination is a final and comprehensive settlement of the Israel-Palestinian conflict by 2005, as presented in President Bush's speech of 24 June, and welcomed by the EU, Russia and the UN in the 16 July and 17 September Quartet Ministerial statements.



I’d like you to note the following about the paragraph above:

It is a ‘covenant’ with ‘many’ – Israel and Palestine, and overseers (known as ‘the quartet’) the United States, European Union, United Nations, and Russia. And if you go the web page and look at paragraph 3 of the document, you will find the following:

based on the foundations of the Madrid Conference, the principle of land for peace, UNSCRs 242, 338 and 1397, agreements previously reached by the parties, and the initiative of Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah - endorsed by the Beirut Arab League Summit - calling for acceptance of Israel as a neighbor living in peace and security, in the context of a comprehensive settlement. This initiative is a vital element of international efforts to promote a comprehensive peace on all tracks, including the Syrian-Israeli and Lebanese-Israeli tracks.



So it also involves previous agreements, involving Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, the Beirut Arab League summit, and ‘peace on all tracks’ including Syrian-Israeli and Lebanese-Israeli tracks.

I don’t think we can get much more ‘many’ than that lot!!!

Now … note the phrase in the first paragraph (non-italics) in the first quote above. Namely:

The destination is a final and comprehensive settlement of the Israel-Palestinian conflict by 2005, as presented in President Bush's speech of 24 June, and welcomed by the EU, Russia and the UN in the 16 July and 17 September Quartet Ministerial statements.



“… a final and comprehensive settlement of the Israel-Palestinian conflict by 2005”

Well … that hasn’t happened, has it?!

A little ‘confirming’ – or ‘strengthening’ – needed here, do you think?

Yep. Indeedy.

And we got it!

First of all there was a ‘one-off’ conference at Annapolis, Maryland, hosted by the US Government, over 25-27 November 2007, re-affirming the goal of the ‘two-state solution’ to the ‘Israeli-Palestinian’ conflict.

This definitely added to the ‘many’ – big time!

I think the Angel Gabriel was ‘bang on’ about the ‘many’! Lol!

Also, we should now all be getting an impression about how important this treaty/covenant is becoming. It seems to be gathering importance over time rather like a growing snowball rolling down a mountainside gathers more snow.

This is no ‘side agreement’ on trade, or an ‘arms deal’ between one or two nations!

Anyway, things didn’t really get all that much better even after the ‘many’ had their conference at Annapolis in 2007.

So definitely some more ‘confirming’ and ‘strengthening’ required!

And this is where it gets interesting!

One of the first things President Obama did after being elected to the Oval Office, was go to Turkey and declare (before the Turkish Parliament at the Grand National Assembly Complex in Ankara) his ‘personal goal’ of seeing the 2003 Road Map Agreement through to completion. This first confirming by the President took place on 6th April 2009.

”Introduced as “Barack Hussein Obama,” the president told the assembly that he planned to push for a two-state solution in the Middle East, despite the view of many foreign policy experts that such a goal will be even more difficult to reach because of the makeup of the new Israeli government under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, not to mention the fractured state of internal Palestinian politics.”



[link to www.nytimes.com]

But it gets better!

That was just a preliminary ‘confirming’ and ‘strengthening’, apparently.

Because two months later, on 4 June 2009, President Obama confirms his personal commitment to the 2003 Road Map yet again. This was in his famous ‘New Beginnings’ speech at Cairo University that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

”For decades then, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It's easy to point fingers -- for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought about by Israel's founding, and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security. (Applause.)

“That is in Israel's interest, Palestine's interest, America's interest, and the world's interest. And that is why I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience and dedication that the task requires. (Applause.) The obligations -- the obligations that the parties have agreed to under the road map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them -- and all of us -- to live up to our responsibilities.”



[link to www.whitehouse.gov]

Then, on 30 April 2010.

Israeli officials: Obama to call world summit if Mideast peace talks fail

U.S. President Barack Obama has told several European leaders that if Israeli-Palestinian talks remain stalemated into September or October, he will convene an international summit on achieving Mideast peace, senior Israeli officials told Haaretz on Thursday.

The officials said the conference would be run by the Quartet of Middle East peacemakers - the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia - in a bid to forge a united global front for creating a Palestinian state. The summit, they said, would address such core issues as borders, security arrangements, Palestinian refugees and the status of Jerusalem.



[link to www.haaretz.com]

Notice who the conference would be run by. Yep. Our ‘old friends’ - ‘the Quartet of Middle East peacemakers - the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia.’ (The ‘many’ are still going strong!)

Then On May 19th 2010 George Mitchell, representing the Obama administration met with Palestinian President Abbas, and Chief PA Negotiator, Saeb Erekat, to discuss “final-status issues like borders and security.”

"We are focusing on final-status issues like borders and security," Saeb Erekat told reporters after the meeting between Abbas and George Mitchell, who is mediating indirect peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

"We hope that in the next four months we can achieve the two-state solution on the 1967 borders," said Erekat, reiterating a Palestinian demand that Israel withdraws from Palestinian territory it captured in the 1967 Middle East war.



Note reference to “the two-state solution on the 1967 borders”. I.e. the 2003 Road Map solution!

Remember President Obama stating on 30 April 2010 that “if Israeli-Palestinian talks remain stalemated into September or October, he will convene an international summit on achieving Mideast peace”?

Agreement between Israel and Palestine for a road-map to peace in 12 months

In one small but hopeful early sign, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority agreed to meet in the Middle East on Sept. 14-15, and then to hold talks every two weeks thereafter, according to George Mitchell, the Obama administration envoy for Middle East peace, wire services reported.



[link to athens.cafebabel.com]


And currently?

Clinton urges Israel, Palestine to tackle core issues of conflict

WASHINGTON, Dec. 10 (Xinhua) -- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Friday that now it is time for Israel and the Palestinians to "grapple with core issues" of their decades-long conflict.



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So … to sum up.

If you look at all the ‘speechifying’ around the above you will constantly bump up against the phrase “peace and safety”!

And it looks as though that is going to continue for a while. (Three and a half years?)

“For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” (1 Thess 5: 3)

But overall, if you review all of the information presented in Dewey Brunton’s analysis of Daniel’s prophetic verses (Dan 9; 24; 27); and when you see how incredibly TWO prophecies are quite clearly interwoven in the same verses, unlocked through different time scales based on the Hebrew word for ‘weeks’; and if you look at the explanations I have given in earlier emails; and look at the above in connection with your question and the verse Daniel 9: 27; do you not think that all the signs are pointing to the ‘70th week’ of Daniel having started?

I am pretty certain that we have entered the angel’s "final week"

The evidence is so strong, and building.

Remember that most of those alive at the time of Our Lord’s coming – even those who were actively looking for it – didn’t recognise the times as they ‘happened’ either!

To us it now seems incredible – with our benefit of hindsight and long familiarity with Biblical events – that people could be caught unaware and in ignorance of the arrival of the Messiah.

Let’s not we here make the same mistake!

If things are rolling now – as I think they are – 2017 is the end of it.

Don’t be unprepared.

We should be watching for ‘signs’ like hawks now.

God Bless,

WOW very nice

That would mean they will be alive and preaching after the AOD and during the short reign of the AC which doesn't make sense since they have the power to call down fire from heaven, unless I'm missing something which is entirely possible : )

My understanding (and I'm not totally settled on it exactly) is that they are supposed to arrive during the first half of Daniel's seventieth week.

What scriptural support do you have evidencing that they arrive in the first half of Daniel's seventieth week?

Please understand that I am not trying to engage you in a debate. I'm just always interested in knowing if someone has discovered something other bible scholars have missed, which actually does happen quite a bit.

Thanks
ATTY

Marking this to read later..

Only God knows.

the best thing ever posted on GLP should be pined forever

No... a better idea is to read the Bible!
The 70 weeks of Daniel were a continual time-line, there is no Biblical support for any "gap"! The 70 weeks went from week 1 through week 70. The week 70 doctrine is a lie directly from the Devil because he wants to blind you to the Truth...

The 70th week of Daniel was the arrival and ministry of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

where's the TLDNR version?

lets here your version please

If you would watch the video you would see that this theory suggests that there is a double fulfillment of Daniels Timeline. No Gap is used and no dates are "massaged" to fit the scripture. It all lines up according to the dates given and the current times. From the resolution to restore Isreal started the prophetic clock again, just as it was started and ended in Jesus' time. The video is a biblical account of what I am trying to explain. But as always test the words and the spirit it is given in.

Watch the video if you don't want to read.

Start Here :

The 70 weeks of Daniel are a Messianic prophecy, it tells of the coming of the Messiah and what He shall do...

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
(Daniel 9:24)
This verse tells Daniel that his people (the Jews) have 70 weeks (70 weeks of years, or 490 years total) to stop sinning against God and the last is to "anoint the Most Holy" which means to accept the coming Messiah (Jesus Christ).

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
(Daniel 9:25)
This verse clearly teaches that "Messiah the Prince" (Jesus Christ) will arrive at the end of the first 69 weeks!

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(Daniel 9:26)
This verse teaches that after the 69 weeks Messiah (Jesus Christ) will be "cut off" (killed), "but not for himself" (He died for us!)

The second half of the verse prophesied that the city and sanctuary would be destroyed (as it was in 70 AD by Titus).

And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(Daniel 9:27)
This is one of the most beautiful and powerful verses about Jesus Christ in the whole Bible, yet the false prophets of today turn it upside down and try to make it about a mythical Antichrist figure!

"And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week"
This is clearly about the Messiah who comes to confirm the covenant (promise made to the Jews) for one week (7 years, the 70th week of Daniel!).

and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation
In the midst of the week (3.5 years into His ministry) Jesus caused the sacrifices to cease because He became the ultimate sacrifice to end all sacrifices until the consummation (end of the world).

the 70 week of Daniel started in approx 27AD and ended in 34AD. Jesus was crucified 3.5 years into His ministry in 31AD (He was cut off in the midst of the week and He caused the sacrifices to cease because they no longer had any power).

The Jewish temple and the sacrificial system was a foreshadowing of the Messiah to come. Once Jesus came and died His sacrificial death there was no need for the sacrificial system because what they had pointed to (the coming Messiah) had come!

The entire theology of the 7 year tribulation and the one-man Antichrist are completely non-Biblical and are a sick twisting of the scriptures because the Devil does not want people to see Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of Daniel's 70 weeks!

Thank you for the bump. This needs to be seen and understood by everyone.

For understanding!

Thanks for the video, OP! I will flag to watch later tonight when the munchkins are down and I can focus!

God Bless You!

Ok, admittedly have not watched the vids yet (have them bookmarked for later when I can watch them uninterrupted) and maybe I am missing something, but.... doesn't the time thru the midst of Jesus's ministry when He was crucified for our sins only account for 69 1/2 wks? So then would that not leave 1/2 a week, or another 3 1/2 yr period yet to transpire? Just trying to gain an understanding here.