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concerned dude
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01/16/2011 11:18 PM
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You idiots are so arrogant in your thinking. You think America has the best of everything.


No. But we do have the best Air Force. Period.



Incorrect. The Israeli Air Force is the best in the world, and spare me the flames. Our TOP pilots regularly train with them to learn how to fight PROPER in the skies.

I am former USAF, so before you flame, STFU.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231031


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Give me a phukin break. Israel really only exists because of U.S. patronage. It is in 2011 dominated by sophisticated multinational organized crime syndicates, while we still pour money into it.

And I'm not anti-Jewish,anti-semitic or even anti-Israeli.
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01/16/2011 11:19 PM
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Yeah cause we all know that such high quality products come out of China. This better come with a hell of a warranty.

You know they did say that too about Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s? And Taiwanese stuff too?

We know what happened to Japanese cars, and a big part of the high tech IT hardware are now Taiwanese companies.

So we should be worried in about 30 or 40 years according to your logic and history.

No, I say don't underestimate China.

Some of their cities now have more skyscrapers than New York, and they did that in 15 years(!).

In 4 years they unveiled at least two modern airplanes the J10 and J20. This while for example Europe debated for decades before finishing a prototype of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Not to mention all the other stuff the unveiled.

Ask anyone who has even been to China, and modt found out the Chinese do things at an incredible speed - unprecedented.



Agreed. The world has some catching up to do. Outsourcing of manufacturing over the decades past is showing you in PLAIN SIGHT what the consequences are.
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"He who controls the power to MAKE SHIT, AND controls the money controls the world."

It is TIME boys and girls to roll up your sleeves and actually PRODUCE something so that we can deal with forces like the chinese.
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01/16/2011 11:20 PM
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Incorrect. The Israeli Air Force is the best in the world, and spare me the flames. Our TOP pilots regularly train with them to learn how to fight PROPER in the skies.

I am former USAF, so before you flame, STFU.


Former USAF? How many hours do you have, and in what? How much carrier experience do Israeli pilots have?
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How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???
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01/16/2011 11:20 PM
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China Unviels First Stealth Fighter J-20, To Rival America's F-22.

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Have you noticed the weld-points on this Chinese
so-called "stealth" fighter up-close?!


It reflects more radar energy
than Michelle Obama's big fat ass.

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Just because it LOOKS "stealth" doesn't mean it IS "stealth".

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You idiots are so arrogant in your thinking. You think America has the best of everything.


No. But we do have the best Air Force. Period.



Incorrect. The Israeli Air Force is the best in the world, and spare me the flames. Our TOP pilots regularly train with them to learn how to fight PROPER in the skies.

I am former USAF, so before you flame, STFU.


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Give me a phukin break. Israel really only exists because of U.S. patronage. It is in 2011 dominated by sophisticated multinational organized crime syndicates, while we still pour money into it.

And I'm not anti-Jewish,anti-semitic or even anti-Israeli.
 Quoting: concerned dude 1231958


That is absolutely true, but that does not take away from the FACT that they are better pilots.

Feel free to speak out the anus some more. :)
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01/16/2011 11:22 PM
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Incorrect. The Israeli Air Force is the best in the world, and spare me the flames. Our TOP pilots regularly train with them to learn how to fight PROPER in the skies.

I am former USAF, so before you flame, STFU.


Former USAF? How many hours do you have, and in what? How much carrier experience do Israeli pilots have?


How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???
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ZERO lol. Might want to ask some Navy guys about that.
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01/16/2011 11:22 PM
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Former USAF? How many hours do you have, and in what? How much carrier experience do Israeli pilots have?


How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???
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Heehee!
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01/16/2011 11:22 PM
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OK.....if that is the case....give some specific examples of WHY it is so different.
You gave NONE. naughty

I have previousy. The canards and the further back placed wings.


That does NOT make it... NOT a rip off. naughty

AND....
Canards are further back because the plane is a scaled up F35.

Care to try again??? hi
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Doesn't matter, for you it definitely is a completely rip off no matter what is shown. While I think most would agree having the wings placed elswhere, and having canards influence electronics, hydraulics, aerodynamics, software etc.
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01/16/2011 11:22 PM
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You haven't read much history obviously. The U.S. economy recovered by rebuilding the world after the war. We ended the war in massive debt.

China isn't blinding anything. Do you know anything about spy satellites?

You're right, China isn't the enemy. Chinese organized crime is the enemy.
 Quoting: Ex-AFOSI


nah, US. start and sponsor the war in the very beginning till ever after, that's a konwn fact.

china shoot a satellites back to 2007, of course US. won't admit its the spy one, will it.

chinese organized crime? hypocritical US. joking again...


US crime No 6.

Mass murdering: From the extermination of the Indigenous Americans, to Dresden, to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Philippians, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc.

left thousands of Baby killing, City bombing,Psychopathic, women raping...
Ex-AFOSI

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01/16/2011 11:23 PM
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How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???


ZERO lol. Might want to ask some Navy guys about that.
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Choke. ;) Had to make sure you were USAF. Still not convinced...LOL!

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01/16/2011 11:23 PM
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Im tired of our government selling our secrets to nation states.
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01/16/2011 11:23 PM
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You guys should be more worried about the Indians.

huffy
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Yeah, you'e right. The Indians probably hold the patents to build a modern day Vimana!!!
We are but eternal spiritual beings living a temporary human experience.
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01/16/2011 11:24 PM
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Reminds me of Soviet design like in the movie FIREFOX with Clint Eastwood.
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01/16/2011 11:25 PM
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Reminds me of Soviet design like in the movie FIREFOX with Clint Eastwood.
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LOL I was thinking that too, seriously.
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01/16/2011 11:26 PM
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Incorrect. The Israeli Air Force is the best in the world, and spare me the flames. Our TOP pilots regularly train with them to learn how to fight PROPER in the skies.

I am former USAF, so before you flame, STFU.


Former USAF? How many hours do you have, and in what? How much carrier experience do Israeli pilots have?


How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231328


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You know what's freaky? The U.S. has 11 active nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. the hole E.U. has 2, both roughly half the size of the U.S. carriers. And the French one is seriously flawed while Brit carrier is a scaled back joke.

U.S. armed forces personnel of the various branches have more experience with aircraft carrier take-offs and landings than the rest of the world combined.
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01/16/2011 11:27 PM
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How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???


ZERO lol. Might want to ask some Navy guys about that.


Choke. ;) Had to make sure you were USAF. Still not convinced...LOL!
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Well he didn't fall for the carrier trap!!!
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I seriously cannot understand how can anyone claim this looks like the F35?
[link to cdnpullz.defencetalk.com]

Did I miss something?
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01/16/2011 11:28 PM
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Former USAF? How many hours do you have, and in what? How much carrier experience do Israeli pilots have?


How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???


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You know what's freaky? The U.S. has 11 active nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. the hole E.U. has 2, both roughly half the size of the U.S. carriers. And the French one is seriously flawed while Brit carrier is a scaled back joke.

U.S. armed forces personnel of the various branches have more experience with aircraft carrier take-offs and landings than the rest of the world combined.
 Quoting: concerned dude 1231958


"Of the various branches"? Isn't it only US Navy and US Marine Corps that flies from aircraft carriers? Also, you forgot Thailand.
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How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???


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You know what's freaky? The U.S. has 11 active nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. the hole E.U. has 2, both roughly half the size of the U.S. carriers. And the French one is seriously flawed while Brit carrier is a scaled back joke.

U.S. armed forces personnel of the various branches have more experience with aircraft carrier take-offs and landings than the rest of the world combined.
 Quoting: concerned dude 1231958


It was a joke. USAF doesn't land on carriers (much). The Israeli's do a lot with very little, and it's not the first time I've heard them called the best.

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01/16/2011 11:31 PM
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"Of the various branches"? Isn't it only US Navy and US Marine Corps that flies from aircraft carriers? Also, you forgot Thailand.


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Indeed, navy and marines = various. You're being anal.
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01/16/2011 11:33 PM
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How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???


ZERO lol. Might want to ask some Navy guys about that.


Choke. ;) Had to make sure you were USAF. Still not convinced...LOL!
 Quoting: Ex-AFOSI



BTW, why would you broadcast in a conspiracy website that you are ex-osi? Really????

For all of you GLPers, OSI is the Air Force's "FBI". Office of Special Investigations.
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How much carrier experience does your average USAF pilot have???


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You know what's freaky? The U.S. has 11 active nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. the hole E.U. has 2, both roughly half the size of the U.S. carriers. And the French one is seriously flawed while Brit carrier is a scaled back joke.

U.S. armed forces personnel of the various branches have more experience with aircraft carrier take-offs and landings than the rest of the world combined.


It was a joke. USAF doesn't land on carriers (much). The Israeli's do a lot with very little, and it's not the first time I've heard them called the best.
 Quoting: Ex-AFOSI


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I was also including carrier personnel, not just pilots.
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BTW, why would you broadcast in a conspiracy website that you are ex-osi? Really????

For all of you GLPers, OSI is the Air Force's "FBI". Office of Special Investigations.
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That is a silly question. No soup for you!
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01/16/2011 11:37 PM
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BTW, why would you broadcast in a conspiracy website that you are ex-osi? Really????

For all of you GLPers, OSI is the Air Force's "FBI". Office of Special Investigations.


That is a silly question. No soup for you!
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Well I too am interest in the answer chuckle

You seem to be quite knowledgeable on certain topics.
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Reminds me of Soviet design like in the movie FIREFOX with Clint Eastwood.

LOL I was thinking that too, seriously.
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Children of the 80s

hf
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BTW, why would you broadcast in a conspiracy website that you are ex-osi? Really????

For all of you GLPers, OSI is the Air Force's "FBI". Office of Special Investigations.


That is a silly question. No soup for you!
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LOL! And there you have it.
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Reminds me of Soviet design like in the movie FIREFOX with Clint Eastwood.

LOL I was thinking that too, seriously.


Children of the 80s

hf
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Aye, it was a great movie Firefox! hf
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Yun-8:
[link to www.sinodefence.com]


I'm not impressed with that platform.
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[link to www.google.co.uk]
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this looks better
[link to www.google.co.uk]
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Stealth isn't nearly as important as the general public believes. The US military policy of minimal-casualty has bloated the value of stealth systems.

Think about it. Send in a wave of fighter/bombers. If they are shot at, then it's fairly easy to determine from where. Destroy those targets with cruise missiles. Send in the next wave of fighters/bombers.

A group of 20 million dollar fighters and $100,000 missiles are far more effective and efficient than $300 million stealthy over-designed uber-jets.

Numbers count and if China wants to beat us in a air/naval war it could quickly develop the capability to.

The US OTOH would be hard-pressed to expand its current manufacturing, especially against an opponent it depends on. USA is almost finished as a super-power. Accept it.

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