CHRISTIANITY IS PART OF THE PROBLEM......

Yeah well this thread basically amounted to nothing still people tying to push their beliefs on others..... the title of the thread CHRISTIANITY PART OF THE PROBLEM... Not convince me i am going to a chimerical hell because i don't share YOUR beliefs. Fuck off scum. I dont care about your forceful persuasions and lies. Dogmatic, and smug comes to mind when i think of people like that WTF is wrong with people? This thread should be about discussing how religion overall (mainly Christianity in north America and Europe)is used to control the masses by the elite globalist shit bags. This thread is not for the "Believers" because obviously you have already dismissed the possibility so STFU and GTFO

Stop saying the "F" word all the time. It does not coincide with wisdom. How do you manage your time? Is it spent on finding God and His truth or on personal pleasure. TV, movies, music, video games, etc... I ask because I find myself playing video games to much. I am 45. I remember 17 well.

[link to www.thetrumpet.com] Read the .pdf files under the literature section. The "christians" you speak of, the masses, are off in their belief.

Hope this helps, have a great day.

No, the difference is that you read it with a desire to excuse away the evil. I do not.

I used to read it the same way, with a desire to excuse away the evil. I believed that if something "god" did looked evil, I was the one with the problem who had to figure out how come it wasn't ACTUALLY evil, because god did it.

You can excuse a sociopath's behavior, but you can't make him less of a sociopath.

The "god" of the bible is a monster.

The only way to get around seeing that is to excuse away unspeakable horrors.

I was a christian. I did it. I know how it goes.

I don't know why you keep saying God will torture and kill and make people suffer. All it says in the Bible is he loves everyone and wants nothing more than everyone to be with him.

I don't know if you know this or not, but all you have to do to become a Christian is, to believe that Jesus came to this earth, that He died for your sins, died and was resurrected by God.

This is all you have to do. You don't have to convert people, you are directed to, but you don't have to.
Christianity is a gift from God, not a command. You don't have to accept it.
At this moment you could tell God, I believe what I just read. Please, forgive me. Be a part of my life. There you would be a Christian. Since, you are good at research and things of that nature you would naturally pick up a Bible a read it, so you would have a complete understanding and not a half truths that have been spouted by others.

Is this complicated?
You don't even HAVE to follow the rules set forth by the Bible. It is nice when Christians do, then we don't have them showing others that Christianity is bad.

No on a different front. If you just read the Bible and put into practice the lessons in it. They are are the lessons you seem to want to live by anyway.

I, and at least one other, did no such thing. Funny how you only notice what you want to notice.

No i dont watch t.v rarely play video games gave them up a long time ago. I spend my tme enjoying myself as much as possible. This really dosnt pertain though so......

LOL, yes, I used to be a christian, I know the whole silly drill.

Now.

What happens to me because I know the drill, I've read the bible many times... and I still say "No way I am worshiping this monster"?

Hmmm?

It's great that you present the pretty side, but let's be honest.

What are you worshiping, really? You invite me to become a christian, but you don't tell me all of the truth of what it is that I'll be worshiping. You don't tell me the truth of this "god" that you want me to "accept".

You skip admitting that this god lusts for blood and death. You skip the fact that "jesus had to die" because "god" lied to and tempted adam and eve and punished them with death for doing something they didn't know was even wrong.

You skip the parts where this "god" just couldn't let humanity live without massive, endless slaughter of countless animals--most of which were never even eaten, just butchered and left to rot for the sake of this "god" monster.

Yeah, I know the drill. I know the tricks of claiming god is love and telling people not to read the OT until they are fully indoctrinated to the "beauty of sacrifice" of jesus' torture and death.

I know it probably even better than you do.

I'm always amazed at the Christ haters and their intolerance and lack of education. If you don't believe, fine, but when you go out of your way to make such an idiotic thread to attack people because they believe differently it just shows spite and hate. I don't go out of my way posting threads about the new age wackos who think aliens are going to save us.

I never said everyone had to just the religious nuts. *not directed at you or...... well you want me to make a list?

Sandi T, If you know it better than I and "was a Christian". Then you know that once you are saved, you are always saved. So who is in the wrong? you for saying all of this, knowing you are going to Heaven, while the people you preach to are going to Hell or me for letting everyone know you took the escape clause.

YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT READ FOR ONCE..... LIES LIES AND MORE LIES ,FUCK YOU! who the fuck am i attacking? your a dumb ass i just wanted to fucking discuss some shit without doosh bags like you accusing me of shit i never did. How the fuck do you know the extent of my education look up the word dogmatic you piece of shit.

Guilt is why you fight against Christianity so hard.
I'm truly sorry you feel this way. You have apparently not taken the time to have a personal relationship with your creator, or you WOULD understand what the Bible says.

You can not truly understand anything until you first truly embrace it.

One last question. Am I to understand that you are not so much against the individual as you are against the religion? You really don't care about the people you preach to just the fact You don't want them to believe in Christianity. I sorry some Christian hurt that bad to make you feel this way.

Come come, what's wrong with you? You obviously got your indoctrination all wrong. You're supposed to tell me that I was obviously never REALLY saved.

But wow, this guilt trip is a new one, I'm so impressed!! So now I'm a bad person because I know the bible is LIES, LIES, and MORE LIES... but by telling that truth, I'm sending people to hell while I still get to go to heaven?

Crikeys, this monster-god is even MORE monstrous than the bible says it is... and that's pretty fucking monstrous!

Who is wrong? The book that lies about God.

Pure and simple. The bLibel is wrong. It's lies. It lies about God and it lies about humanity.

Why is one of the commandments "thou shalt have no other gods before me"? There are other gods TO have over this monstrous one??

Do other gods get to have a subservient role? I mean, silliness.

The very first commandment shows the stupidity and hypocrisy of the bLibel.

Either your age or your education is showing in the words you choose to use.

No matter the words i choose the message is still the same.

WAKE UP!!

I stand by what I said. If you think God is evil, then I am of the opinion that you are confused. I have no desire to excuse anything. You indicate that you now have all the answers in regards to God and the Bible. So, who, if anyone do you worship? Where did all this come from?

ANY religion based in fear is wrong.

It means that you should not worship money, your spouse, your car, ANYTHING that comes before your relationship with God. Not just other religions' gods.

You really did not understand the Bible, did you? Did you not ask for clarifications on your questions when you had them?

Believing in one thing that has no evidence programs your mind to accept other things that have no evidence.

Yes, you are right. But in the opposite way that you think.

I am guilty, that's for sure. I'm guilty of having been a christian and having pushed this belief. I am guilty of having tried to spiritually rape people out of my ignorance.

I am guilty of having bought this lie, hook, like, and stinker. I am guilty of having spent many hours weeping over the poor souls I really believed a Loving God would torture and torment FOREVER.

I'm guilty of teaching others such a horrific lie about God.

Yes, my personal guilt is why I stand up now and speak the truth. Because I was part of the lie. I was indoctrinated and I believed.

But I have no excuses, because I questioned but I accepted "just have faith" as a viable answer. I questioned but I blamed myself for the discrepancies and inconsistencies in the bLibel, rather than seeing them for what they truly were.



I do have a personal and now a real relationship with God. The One Real God, who bears no resemblance to the monster in the bLibel at all.

I understand that your following remark is the truth about the bLibel and what it takes to "understand" it and dismiss the truth about it:



But let's be honest here. What this really means is that you cannot truly excuse away the evil in the bLibel, until you actually want to.

The difference is that you are motivated to dismiss much of the bLibel or excuse the evils in it... I no longer am, because I have ceased to lie to myself in order to accept the unacceptable.

You are like a woman who cannot leave her abusive husband, but rather makes excuses for him. All christians are.



Nice try, but the problem with your theory is that it's not a lack of caring. It's the fact that I know you're a lost cause by your own desire and willingness. It is not my job to help you learn the truth, because you don't want the truth.

The seeker is searching for the truth, and it is my job to help point them towards it.

The reason why you think I don't "care" if I don't try to coerce you away from your religion with threats is because for you, the "consequence" of not coercing or guilt tripping someone into your religion as you're trying to do to me, is butchery and torture.

But if I fail to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced, there's no monster who'll come along behind me and burn and torment you FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER. In fact, the only torture and torment you will receive is from yourself every time you fail in your attempts to coerce and/or wheedle and/or guilt trip someone into your vile religion... as well as suffering the general spiritual malaise brought about by being a willing indoctinatee (yeah, I made that word up).

While I would really appreciate being able to save you the mental anguish and misery involved in being stuck in this lie, that's not my job. You have to want to leave it, just like you can't save a woman in an abusive relationship. She has to want to leave it.

Not harassing her about it doesn't mean you don't care. It just means you recognize the fact that some people REALLY WANT to be where they are--even if where they are is destructive for them and others.

No evidence? LOL

How do you know the "bible is LIES, LIES, and MORE LIES..."?
If you have faith in God then you have faith the He had a divine role in the Bible being written and He kept it what is was supposed to be each time it was rewritten.

It is not about believing it is about faith

Yes, don't worry. I asked and I got all the answers like you just gave....

The bLibel neither says what it means, nor does it mean what it says.

God made it all so complicated and hard. Because he REALLY wanted everyone saved, so he made the bLibel complicated, contradictory, full of errors, and otherwise just plain full of evil.

God wanted us all to know he was loving, so he condoned genocide, infanticide, slavery, et. al.

God wanted us to know he was loving, so he brutally punished adam and eve for being innocent and not knowing good from evil. But that's not important because anything god does makes sense--even if it doesn't and can't be made to.

My personal all time favorite is EXACTLY what you are doing in this very thread...

If anything in the bLibel doesn't make sense and seems contradictory or stupid or evil... YOU are the problem!

The bLibel disproves itself in multiple ways. This is the ultimate way:

It's very simple to see the lie in the Bible. There is one fundamental lie that renders all the rest of it utterly meaningless. Once you recognize the singular, most over-weaning flaw of the bible, any other discussion on it is all semantics.

God cannot both be LOVE, or LOVING, and be what the bible describes.

The god-monster of the bible is absolutely anything EXCEPT loving.

Even the bible itself (hilariously) eliminates the god-monster of the bible as being loving:

"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves."
-- 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

The god monster of the bible:

- Jealous god (does not envy? fail)

- Arrogant and prideful, desirous of blind, unthinking faith (is not proud? fail; does not envy? fail)

- Quick to anger, in fact kills EVERYONE, FOREVER, because of Adam and Eve (is not rude? fail; is kind? fail; is patient? fail; is not easily angered? fail; keeps no record of wrongs? fail; always protects? fail; always hopes? fail; always preserves? fail)

- Approves of slavery, victims being forced to marry their rapists, the taking and enslaving of virgins during war, loves infanticide (Kind? fail; Not rude? fail; keeps no record of wrong? fail; does not delight in evil? fail; always protects? fail; always preserves? fail)

- Commands genocide (Epic fail) - Commands infanticide (epic fail) - Supports stoning newborns (epic fail)

- Lusts after blood sacrifices (epic fail again)

- Demands one child be killed so he can stand to be around the others (epic fail)

I could carry on at length in the ways that the bible's god-monster FAILS THE BIBLE'S OWN LIST OF WHAT LOVE IS!!

If you "know the Bible so well,why do you keep repeating that I am trying to coerce you into beleiving. You should know that is God's job not mine. I'm just plant the seed.

Lol, really? There is this section that comes before the gospel of John, and Romans, it's called the old testament, you should check it out, in fact do you know when the Jew messiah comes, us dirty Gentiles will serve them like slaves in Zion, I personally can't wait to be a slave!

Do not mix the old and the new. The old testament is reference and the new is to live by.

As a Christian, I respect the fact that both you and I hold Christ as our Savior.

But to be perfectly honest, the worst event in my life occurred at a Pentecostal church and I will not go back.

At the initial Pentecost it was necessary for the Holy Spirit to allow the disciples of Christ to communicate in various languages; it served a purpose.

Speaking in tongues in this day and age makes no sense and when I hear of people doing so I question that individual's sincerity.

Having said that, there are many individuals in my denomination (Disciples of Christ) who have their own issues as well.


May the Peace of Christ be with you.

Sandi T
It is time to for me to go. Can we agree to disagree?

Till another day.?