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So I've been thinking of joining the freemasons. There are quite a number of important members of the community who are freemasons and I can see the advantage of becoming a mason.

1) Anyone else a member and is there anything I should keep in mind?

2) I'm required to believe in a God in some form to join, but I don't believe in magic. As an atheist, is there any way to get around this?

3) Is there any reason for not joining?


Thanks in advance.

-Bob

PS, I'm serious here, I won't bother responding to trolls, but post away all the same, I may find you amusing.
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The Masons are more religious that any Christian you've ever met. It's kind of all about "God", although Lucifer is who they worship.

If that appeals to you, you should pay a lodge a visit.
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You have to believe in the ONE GOD, to join

You will learn about the Sacred Solomons Temple Layout and more, the Grand Architect is God

If you are atheist that wont do.

I have a Family Masonic Bible that I cherish.
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The Masons are more religious that any Christian you've ever met. It's kind of all about "God", although Lucifer is who they worship.

If that appeals to you, you should pay a lodge a visit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1129251




Well, ya see, when you don't believe in magic, worshiping God and/or the devil is right out. I mean, I could fake it, if there were donuts after the satanic rites or if it meant getting the local laws about cats changed to lift the restriction of how many you can have.

Is it an interesting show? I mean, it's one of the reasons I stopped going to church. So god-damn boring. Although these Mega-churches (I have to take some of the clients to church on sunday. They LOVE the mega-church) certainly do put on a good show. It's like they are running a theater or something. Very impressive.

How much do they charge to become a free mason, anyone know?
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You have to believe in the ONE GOD, to join

You will learn about the Sacred Solomons Temple Layout and more, the Grand Architect is God

If you are atheist that wont do.

I have a Family Masonic Bible that I cherish.
 Quoting: SOL INVICTUS NATALIS



Learning the layout isn't an issue. I've never been able to stomach intelligent design, although I can't say I have any proof against it, so I am open to the possibility. So you are saying you have to accept intelligent design.

Can one be a general agnositic? Say... I believe in the great watchmaker who created and wound up the universe then let it run on it's own. Would that be close enough?
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At the lowest degrees, it's mostly about business connections and things of that nature. They "hoodwink" lower-level initiates.

You have to take serious oaths, even at the first degree. These involve you giving permission to the order, if you betray your fellow Masons, that you will be killed in brutal ways.

So the fee is a blood oath.

They probably do have donuts, though.
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I have a Family Masonic Bible that I cherish.
 Quoting: SOL INVICTUS NATALIS


Ooo! Now that's be something I'd love to read. Do they sell it on Amazon?

(edited)

HOLY CRAP! 70 bucks!

[link to www.amazon.com]

That's expensive! I can see why you cherish it.

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At the lowest degrees, it's mostly about business connections and things of that nature. They "hoodwink" lower-level initiates.

You have to take serious oaths, even at the first degree. These involve you giving permission to the order, if you betray your fellow Masons, that you will be killed in brutal ways.

So the fee is a blood oath.

They probably do have donuts, though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1129251


I was a mortgage rep for Aegis Lending. I am already familiar with how low level members get hoodwinked and death threats to prevent betrayal.
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the freemasons have done more for the betterment of mankind than all other orginisations combined. good luck hope you get excepted.
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You have to believe in the ONE GOD, to join

You will learn about the Sacred Solomons Temple Layout and more, the Grand Architect is God

If you are atheist that wont do.

I have a Family Masonic Bible that I cherish.



Learning the layout isn't an issue. I've never been able to stomach intelligent design, although I can't say I have any proof against it, so I am open to the possibility. So you are saying you have to accept intelligent design.

Can one be a general agnositic? Say... I believe in the great watchmaker who created and wound up the universe then let it run on it's own. Would that be close enough?
 Quoting: Bob


It doesnt run on its own...They study the Bright Morning Star, for example (Venus) and how it influences destiny and help guides, You have to believe GOD is always guiding, interacting.

The White Lambskin Apron represents the Lamb of All Ages...Emblem of Innocence,

You have to believe God is central in your life and compels you to greater service.
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the freemasons have done more for the betterment of mankind than all other orginisations combined. good luck hope you get excepted.
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Yes, they founded America.. hf
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At the lowest degrees, it's mostly about business connections and things of that nature. They "hoodwink" lower-level initiates.

You have to take serious oaths, even at the first degree. These involve you giving permission to the order, if you betray your fellow Masons, that you will be killed in brutal ways.

So the fee is a blood oath.

They probably do have donuts, though.


I was a mortgage rep for Aegis Lending. I am already familiar with how low level members get hoodwinked and death threats to prevent betrayal.
 Quoting: Bob

Just be careful, friend. If I had to give advice, stay away at all costs - there are things I know that I cannot say. To each his own, though, and I wish you the best.
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I read it's really a satanic organization. and that they don't tell lower level masons what it's really about until the higher levels. Like in The Lost Boys when they waited to tell Michael he was vampire.
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You have to believe in the ONE GOD, to join

You will learn about the Sacred Solomons Temple Layout and more, the Grand Architect is God

If you are atheist that wont do.

I have a Family Masonic Bible that I cherish.

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Learning the layout isn't an issue. I've never been able to stomach intelligent design, although I can't say I have any proof against it, so I am open to the possibility. So you are saying you have to accept intelligent design.

Can one be a general agnositic? Say... I believe in the great watchmaker who created and wound up the universe then let it run on it's own. Would that be close enough?
 Quoting: Bob

A general agnostic is one who claims no knowledge of the nature of god. You are required to believe in a supreme architect or prime mover that brought existence into being. If you perceive an underlying order to things that imply a grand intelligence to the universe you can join. You are not required to have any specific belief in the God of Abraham or any of its derivatives. The Biblical stories are used as a vehicle for morality tales. If you are joining for mercenary reasons, they will eventually discover them and you will not last or get far. You do not just join, you will have to participate, and in participating you will learn about yourself and absorb the morality tales. There is a purpose in seeing a divine spark in the universe, but I am not going to give secrets away telling you. You will have to find out for yourself.
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Ooo... Vet on the phone. I'll bookmark this and check back later.
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I read it's really a satanic organization. and that they don't tell lower level masons what it's really about until the higher levels. Like in The Lost Boys when they waited to tell Michael he was vampire.
 Quoting: Um, No 1055984



Thats not true, Its about taking personal responsibiity for yourself, Having God guide your conduct and stop placing the blame on boogeymen and scapegoats.
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You have to believe in the ONE GOD, to join

You will learn about the Sacred Solomons Temple Layout and more, the Grand Architect is God

If you are atheist that wont do.

I have a Family Masonic Bible that I cherish.

-----------------------

Learning the layout isn't an issue. I've never been able to stomach intelligent design, although I can't say I have any proof against it, so I am open to the possibility. So you are saying you have to accept intelligent design.

Can one be a general agnositic? Say... I believe in the great watchmaker who created and wound up the universe then let it run on it's own. Would that be close enough?

A general agnostic is one who claims no knowledge of the nature of god. You are required to believe in a supreme architect or prime mover that brought existence into being. If you perceive an underlying order to things that imply a grand intelligence to the universe you can join. You are not required to have any specific belief in the God of Abraham or any of its derivatives. The Biblical stories are used as a vehicle for morality tales. If you are joining for mercenary reasons, they will eventually discover them and you will not last or get far. You do not just join, you will have to participate, and in participating you will learn about yourself and absorb the morality tales. There is a purpose in seeing a divine spark in the universe, but I am not going to give secrets away telling you. You will have to find out for yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1233495



Yes, all the main religions in the world come from source...

It will lead to the Unity of the Whole World.
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This Freemason lets it slip, and then completely changes his tune when he realizes he's said too much.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Before you join, read who Albert Pike was and what he said about who is the true god of Freemasonry.


It is not the God of the Bible.
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So I've been thinking of joining the freemasons. There are quite a number of important members of the community who are freemasons and I can see the advantage of becoming a mason.

1) Anyone else a member and is there anything I should keep in mind?

2) I'm required to believe in a God in some form to join, but I don't believe in magic. As an atheist, is there any way to get around this?

3) Is there any reason for not joining?


Thanks in advance.

-Bob


PS, I'm serious here, I won't bother responding to trolls, but post away all the same, I may find you amusing.
 Quoting: Bob


Hey Bob, I think it takes a sponsor someone that invites you!!
I don't think they have walk in and sign up service.
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Before you join, read who Albert Pike was and what he said about who is the true god of Freemasonry.


It is not the God of the Bible.
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There is only ONE GOD of all things, and cultures gave him different names.
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This Freemason lets it slip, and then completely changes his tune when he realizes he's said too much.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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LOL that shriner sure was pulling the leg of the idiot who approached him with a dumb and ill thought out question on the street.
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Re: Joining the Freemasons
So I've been thinking of joining the freemasons. There are quite a number of important members of the community who are freemasons and I can see the advantage of becoming a mason.

1) Anyone else a member and is there anything I should keep in mind?

2) I'm required to believe in a God in some form to join, but I don't believe in magic. As an atheist, is there any way to get around this?

3) Is there any reason for not joining?


Thanks in advance.

-Bob


PS, I'm serious here, I won't bother responding to trolls, but post away all the same, I may find you amusing.


Hey Bob, I think it takes a sponsor someone that invites you!!
I don't think they have walk in and sign up service.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1233731



He can look up if a male relative was a Freemason or find someone local to sponsor him. Yes.
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Hey Bob, I think it takes a sponsor someone that invites you!!
I don't think they have walk in and sign up service.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1233731

Find one and ask. They will take a look at you and decide if they want to sponsor you. You may only join of your own free will and accord. You do not get invited. Sometimes if they see a good candidate they might lead them to asking, but the only way is to ask.
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"That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine." Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma"(The Bible of Freemasonry)
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Sorry I implied the Jewish/Christian faith at first, thats only part of Masonry,

They also have elements of Egyptian and Medo Persian. and Greek.

One God in many cultures...

That is the Accurate truth that is Freemasonry..

Thank you allowing me that clarification.
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"That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine." Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma"(The Bible of Freemasonry)
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness 1154005




Lucifer is a allegory symbolic story that is the Morningstar, VENUS , the allegory how that planet rises and falls, As Morningstar, eveningstar then dips in the underground or horizon. as Inanna.

Its a allegory lesson.

All mankind on earth is "fallen" but the Stairway Symbol used in Masonry shows that we can climb the Stairway of Heaven that is Providence or God.
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"That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine." Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma"(The Bible of Freemasonry)




Lucifer is a allegory symbolic story that is the Morningstar, VENUS , the allegory how that planet rises and falls, As Morningstar, eveningstar then dips in the underground or horizon. as Inanna.

Its a allegory lesson.

All mankind on earth is "fallen" but the Stairway Symbol used in Masonry shows that we can climb the Stairway of Heaven that is Providence or God.
 Quoting: SOL INVICTUS NATALIS

At least SOL is willing to admit that Lucifer is (his)their god.

If you're cool with that, the Masons are all for you.
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"That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine." Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma"(The Bible of Freemasonry)




Lucifer is a allegory symbolic story that is the Morningstar, VENUS , the allegory how that planet rises and falls, As Morningstar, eveningstar then dips in the underground or horizon. as Inanna.

Its a allegory lesson.

All mankind on earth is "fallen" but the Stairway Symbol used in Masonry shows that we can climb the Stairway of Heaven that is Providence or God.

At least SOL is willing to admit that Lucifer is (his)their god.

If you're cool with that, the Masons are all for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1129251



I didnt say that.. All Freemasons will state that Albert Pikes statement is not official doctrine, All people "say stuff" doenst mean it represents the creed or official stance
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. All Freemasons will state that Albert Pikes statement is not official doctrine,
 Quoting: SOL INVICTUS NATALIS



In the meantime they have a shrine to Albert Pike in the single most important Masonic temple in the world in Washington DC.

I also find it interesting that virtually ALL customs and ceremonies in Freemasonry were found by Albert Pike and can be found in his book Morals & Dogma.



They can say what they want, just like the Roman Catholic system. The facts speak for themselves no matter how much you wish to deceive yourself that this is not so.
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All Freemasons will state that Albert Pikes statement is not official doctrine, All people "say stuff" doenst mean it represents the creed or official stance
 Quoting: SOL INVICTUS NATALIS

Of course they will deny such things - the knowledge Pike divulged was only intended for degrees 30 and above.

See "hoodwink"reference above.

Take care.

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