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Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, you can't twist Scripture to mean what you want it to say.

 
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First, you have no authority and second you ignore Scripture and third, you conflict with Christian history.

A false prophet gives Scripture references to the supposed message and adds his personal opinion to every verse! So sad, doesn't make it true.

Example, one of his nonsensical comments.


"17For we [no matter how] numerous we are, are one body, because we all partake of the one Bread [the One Whom the communion bread represents]."


He can't be specific...so he says numerous and leaves you
hanging. Numerous what? "Numerous" being the thousands, Protestant sects.


+ + + + +


Your going to see(discern) these things happen periodically but not to upset you but rather to uproot and teardown those in disgrace .

So let go of the old and hang onto the new \o/ for I AM a God that calms the troubled waters and all is laid open before Me namely the true intent of the heart that none may say to Me " Lord , Lord ! I gave, I spent , I gathered and I suffered " ?!

Yes, I reply but for your own kingdom of vanity " the cup of demons " and not My kingdom for you forsake those I sent to you when you called upon Me and rather received the lies the messengers of satan showed you in spite and deceit twisting the truth that guile might feed the root of pride and vanity masquerading as My Bride !

There is only one Kingdom and Power that glorifies Me and that are first Holy then Virtuous delivered through true humility dressed in adoration for their Savior and King wearing The Heart of The Father(seven eyes looking to and fro) on their wellspring ! ! !



Exodus 28:29-30 (Amplified Bible)

29So Aaron shall bear the names of the sons of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart when he goes into the Holy Place, to bring them in continual remembrance before the Lord.

30In the breastplate of judgment you shall put the Urim and the Thummim [unspecified articles used when the high priest asked God's counsel for all Israel]; they shall be upon Aaron's heart when he goes in before the Lord, and Aaron shall bear the judgment (rights, judicial decisions) of the Israelites upon his heart before the Lord continually.
1 Corinthians 2:15 (Amplified Bible)

15But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

1 Corinthians 10:14-22 (Amplified Bible)

14Therefore, my dearly beloved, shun (keep clear away from, avoid by flight if need be) any sort of idolatry (of loving or venerating anything more than God).

15I am speaking as to intelligent (sensible) men. Think over and make up your minds [for yourselves] about what I say. [I appeal to your reason and your discernment in these matters.]

16The cup of blessing [of wine at the Lord's Supper] upon which we ask [God's] blessing, does it not mean [that in drinking it] we participate in and share a fellowship (a communion) in the blood of Christ (the Messiah)? The bread which we break, does it not mean [that in eating it] we participate in and share a fellowship (a communion) in the body of Christ?

17For we [no matter how] numerous we are, are one body, because we all partake of the one Bread [the One Whom the communion bread represents].

18Consider those [physically] people of Israel. Are not those who eat the sacrifices partners of the altar [united in their worship of the same God]?

19What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is [intrinsically changed by the fact and amounts to] anything or that an idol itself is a [living] thing?

20No, I am suggesting that what the pagans sacrifice they offer [in effect] to demons (to evil spiritual powers) and not to God [at all]. I do not want you to fellowship and be partners with diabolical spirits [by eating at their feasts].

21You cannot drink the Lord's cup and the demons' cup. You cannot partake of the Lord's table and the demons' table.

22Shall we thus provoke the Lord to jealousy and anger and indignation? Are we stronger than He [that we should defy Him]?

Psalm 103
[A Psalm] of David.

1BLESS (AFFECTIONATELY, gratefully praise) the Lord, O my soul; and all that is [deepest] within me, bless His holy name!

2Bless (affectionately, gratefully praise) the Lord, O my soul, and forget not [one of] all His benefits--

3Who forgives [every one of] all your iniquities, Who heals [each one of] all your diseases,

4Who redeems your life from the pit and corruption, Who beautifies, dignifies, and crowns you with loving-kindness and tender mercy;

5Who satisfies your mouth [your necessity and desire at your personal age and situation] with good so that your youth, renewed, is like the eagle's [strong, overcoming, soaring]!

6The Lord executes righteousness and justice [not for me only, but] for all who are oppressed.

7He made known His ways [of righteousness and justice] to Moses, His acts to the children of Israel.

8The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and plenteous in mercy and loving-kindness.

9He will not always chide or be contending, neither will He keep His anger forever or hold a grudge.

10He has not dealt with us after our sins nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great are His mercy and loving-kindness toward those who reverently and worshipfully fear Him.

12As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.

13As a father loves and pities his children, so the Lord loves and pities those who fear Him [with reverence, worship, and awe].

14For He knows our frame, He [earnestly] remembers and imprints [on His heart] that we are dust.

15As for man, his days are as grass; as a flower of the field, so he flourishes.

16For the wind passes over it and it is gone, and its place shall know it no more.

17But the mercy and loving-kindness of the Lord are from everlasting to everlasting upon those who reverently and worshipfully fear Him, and His righteousness is to children's children--

18To such as keep His covenant [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it] and to those who [earnestly] remember His commandments to do them [imprinting them on their hearts].



Cross references:

1. 1 Corinthians 10:18 : Lev 7:6
2. 1 Corinthians 10:20 : Deut 32:17
3. 1 Corinthians 10:22 : Deut 32:21; Eccl 6:10; Isa 45:9

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Jesus is fake
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Here's the direct link, sounds pretty upset, it doesn't matter
his personal Protestant denial of the Eucharist.


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Yeah! Only the Pope can do that.
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This is Jeff's personal opinion on the meaning of these verses in 1 Corinthians. They are not true. He has no
authority.


1 Corinthians 10:14-22 (Amplified Bible)

14Therefore, my dearly beloved, shun (keep clear away from, avoid by flight if need be) any sort of idolatry (of loving or venerating anything more than God).

15I am speaking as to intelligent (sensible) men. Think over and make up your minds [for yourselves] about what I say. [I appeal to your reason and your discernment in these matters.]

16The cup of blessing [of wine at the Lord's Supper] upon which we ask [God's] blessing, does it not mean [that in drinking it] we participate in and share a fellowship (a communion) in the blood of Christ (the Messiah)? The bread which we break, does it not mean [that in eating it] we participate in and share a fellowship (a communion) in the body of Christ?

17For we [no matter how] numerous we are, are one body, because we all partake of the one Bread [the One Whom the communion bread represents].

18Consider those [physically] people of Israel. Are not those who eat the sacrifices partners of the altar [united in their worship of the same God]?

19What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is [intrinsically changed by the fact and amounts to] anything or that an idol itself is a [living] thing?

20No, I am suggesting that what the pagans sacrifice they offer [in effect] to demons (to evil spiritual powers) and not to God [at all]. I do not want you to fellowship and be partners with diabolical spirits [by eating at their feasts].

21You cannot drink the Lord's cup and the demons' cup. You cannot partake of the Lord's table and the demons' table.

22Shall we thus provoke the Lord to jealousy and anger and indignation? Are we stronger than He [that we should defy Him]?
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The same verses and the footnotes as written in the
English translation of the first Bible, the Latin Vulgate,
the Douay-Rheims Bible. Read the footnotes.

Communion is not Jeff's "fellowship"...it is God Himself.


1 Corinthians 10:14-22 (Douay-Rheims Bible)

Wherefore, my dearly beloved, fly from the service of idols. [15] I speak as to wise men: judge ye yourselves what I say. [16] The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord? [17] For we, being many, are one bread, one body, all that partake of one bread. [18] Behold Israel according to the flesh: are not they, that eat of the sacrifices, partakers of the altar? [19] What then? Do I say, that what is offered in sacrifice to idols, is any thing? Or, that the idol is any thing? [20] But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils.

[16] "Which we bless"... Here the apostle puts them in mind of their partaking of the body and blood of Christ in the sacred mysteries, and becoming thereby one mystical body with Christ. From whence he infers, ver. 21, that they who are made partakers with Christ, by the eucharistic sacrifice and sacrament, must not be made partakers with devils by eating of the meats sacrificed to them.

[17] "One bread"... or, as it may be rendered, agreeably both to the Latin and Greek, because the bread is one, all we, being many, are one body, who partake of that one bread. For it is by our communicating with Christ, and with one another, in this blessed sacrament, that we are formed into one mystical body; and made, as it were, one bread, compounded of many grains of corn, closely united together.


[21] You cannot drink the chalice of the Lord, and the chalice of devils: you cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord, and of the table of devils. [22] Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he? All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient.

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Jeff Kingshott ignores these Scripture verses and believes you are going to follow his personal opinion. How does
he reconcile them? If he could only understand the many,
many Protestant ministers, all denominations who finally
looked at the quotes of the Early Church Fathers. Men,
some of them taught by the Apostles. Logical, don't you
imagine.


1 Corinthians 10:16
The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?
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1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.


Jesus never said "This is a symbol of My body." He said
"This is My body."



Matthew 26:26
And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body.


Mark 14:22
And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body.


Luke 22:19
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me.


If only, Jeff looks at GLP. Here are the Father's quotes

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Jeff Kingshott, where are you? Dear friend, you can't remain
Protestant. On the Early Church Fathers, here is one.

Clement was the third Pope. He spoke with Peter and Paul.
Clement believed in the real presence.

Clement of Rome, who wrote, in the first century, about those "from the episcopate who blamelessly and holily have offered its sacrifices" Like Paul in a (Letter to the Corinthians 44:1).

Furthermore, Clement was beaten out by the Didache (a Syrian liturgical manual written around A.D. 70), which stated, "On the Lordís Day . . . gather together, break bread and offer the Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure. Let no one who has a quarrel with his neighbor join you until he is reconciled, lest our sacrifice be defiled. For this is that which was proclaimed by the Lord: In every place and time let there be offered to me a clean sacrifice. For I am a great king,í says the Lord, ëand my name is wonderful among the gentilesí [cf. Mal. 1:11]" (14:1ñ3).
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Jeff Kingshott ignores these Scripture verses and believes you are going to follow his personal opinion.
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The pope ignores this scripture, and thinks that you will follow his personal opinion.

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
-- Matthew 23:8-12
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makes me feel sick....







cannibals and vampires... eating bodies and blood, no mather who... this is the very BLOOD RITUAL of devil worshipers.... more proof something is off with religion...


read your scriptures and eat blood....



do not invite me...
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Dear Jeff Kingshott,

You are upset and why you wrote what you did at OpenHeaven
today. Come reply here. The messages from Heaven are saying
the same thing. The "awakening" as you know it, Catholics
know it as the "Great Warning"...same event and it involves everyone brother.

Since Private Interpretation of the Bible is Protestant, you will always deny so instead, look at what the men taught by the Apostles believed.
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it is all so simple children know the answer.
the one jesus said would come is the messenger,revealer ,comforter.i am him.
you were obligated to study and find the truth.my face is my god proof.he set my likeness to reveal his prescence.
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Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, you can't twist Scripture to mean what you want it to say.

NOT SO FOR JESUS HIMSELF WAS SAT AT THE TABLE AND BROKE THE BREAD
AND THIS IS WHEN HE SAID THE BREAD IS HIS BODY AND THE WINE HIS BLOOD DO THIS IN REMEBRANCE OF ME AS OFTEN AS YOU EAT THE BREAT AND DRINK THE WINE

ALL THIS HE DID BEFORE HE GAVE UP HIS BODY TO BROKEN

AND THE BREAD THAT JESUS BROKE AND THE WINE HE PASSED ROUND
WAS A HOLY SYMBOL OF HIS SACRIFICE
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Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, you can't twist Scripture to mean what you want it to say.

NOT SO FOR JESUS HIMSELF WAS SAT AT THE TABLE AND BROKE THE BREAD
AND THIS IS WHEN HE SAID THE BREAD IS HIS BODY AND THE WINE HIS BLOOD DO THIS IN REMEBRANCE OF ME AS OFTEN AS YOU EAT THE BREAT AND DRINK THE WINE

ALL THIS HE DID BEFORE HE GAVE UP HIS BODY TO BROKEN

AND THE BREAD THAT JESUS BROKE AND THE WINE HE PASSED ROUND
WAS A HOLY SYMBOL OF HIS SACRIFICE
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You gotta explain your belief. Where does it say in Scripture
the Eucharist is not the body and blood of Our Lord? That it is only a symbol of His body. You are forever ignoring Jesus said "This is My body."

How on in Heaven does consuming crackers and juice become
a "remembrance" of Christ's sacrifice on the cross?

When Jesus said do this in "remembrance" of Me. He was speaking to the Apostles....the first priests. By the power of God come down, after their priestly words of consecration bread and wine become the body and blood of Our Lord. All the
priests through Apostolic succession would do the same to
this day and until the end of time.
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[link to www.openheaven.com]

Jeff Kingshott's 1/17/11 writing in the OP is an absolute
lie. People here check www.openheaven.com. The website
where Jeff posts his false words which makes him a false
prophet.

Jesus mercy, the time is short.
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blackpuma2 PAPA?... [link to www.chick.com]
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you can twist it then beat, kill,or molest anyone who disagrees til they all agree
it's not even toast
it's not even special kosher flour
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you can't twist Scripture to mean what you want it to say.

But people do it all the time!!! lol :(

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I say this without hate or fanfare but from it's inception Roman Catholisism has always been the pagan church of Mithra. Always.
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I say this without hate or fanfare but from it's inception Roman *Catholicism* has always been the pagan church of Mithra. Always.
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*Snip snip*
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I say this without hate or fanfare but from it's inception Roman Catholisism has always been the pagan church of Mithra. Always.
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Wow! Your one sentence, it must be true.

You will see personally in the Great Warning. Pride keeps
you from accepting the Truth. Stay with man-made teachings,
they came about in protest of Christ's Church. The denial of
her authority and of course goes with the denial of the power of the priesthood. God granted "spiritual" power to help save our souls.


Ac 12255..,

Prefigured in the Old and stated over and over in the New
Testament...most importantly by Christ Himself.

Jesus said "This is My body."
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You can post a thousand pages of your foolishness and you'll still be wrong. Jesus meant it figuratively, not literally. The bread and wine are only symbols of His flesh and blood. They do not actually become flesh and blood, nor were they ever intended to. Catholics are daft.
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Where does it say in Scripture Jesus said the "bread and
wine" are a symbol?

You're cancelled, you can't provide it.

Protestantism can't convect the Eucharist, they reject the
Church and the priesthood. What else are they left to say.

Read the first Christians quotes about Our Lord's words,
"This is My body."

Why? When you can receive God Himself, do you accept so
little? Because...you would have to change, but oh how I
wish and pray every Protestant will.

You can become Roman Catholic, at least, before the Great
Warning...have the desire. Read Catholic writings, Catholic
sites, Catholic books...a Catholic Bible.




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gak cannibals.
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The Vatican is the seat of Satan; Catholics published their translated version AD 1611 of the Bible; so what ever is stated in scripture we have to treat as conjecture knowing what a lying bunch of greedy power hungry liars, and murderers they are as proven by history, and protestants are a religion that disagreed with catholic greed and practice but strangely use the same bible.
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I will never throw away salvation to join the Roman Catholic cult, that heresy, that blighted nest of pedophiles; you're all filthy and abominable and not true Christians at all.

Matthew 7
Not everyone who says to Me 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father in heaven shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Thy name, and cast out devils in Thy name, and work many miracles in Thy name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you workers of iniquity!'
 Quoting: Dominion


Protestants can never give reason for their belief so they
reply with another verse, nothing to do with answering the
question.

Dominion, you've closed your heart and mind believing
anti-Catholic lies. And you can't defend your belief even
using your professed authority (Luther's Sola Scriptura), the Bible.

St. Paul stated if you refuse to acknowledge, discern it is the "body" of Our Lord you bring judgment on yourself.

I asked you previously where in Scripture does it say the "bread and wine" are a symbol?

Again, how is receiving crackers and juice a remembrance of Christ's death on the cross?
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Your a false prophet

and your scripture is false..

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The Vatican is the seat of Satan; Catholics published their translated version AD 1611 of the Bible; so what ever is stated in scripture we have to treat as conjecture knowing what a lying bunch of greedy power hungry liars, and murderers they are as proven by history, and protestants are a religion that disagreed with catholic greed and practice but strangely use the same bible.
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Not exactly the same, the "revolters" removed seven books of the Bible and in their translations removed as much Catholic as possible. The KJV has thousands of changes.

In their immaturity, Protestants close their eyes to the most basic. How could an errant Church give them their only authority....the Bible? The Bible is a Catholic book.

Goofs. We love you though....
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I will never throw away salvation to join the Roman Catholic cult, that heresy, that blighted nest of pedophiles; you're all filthy and abominable and not true Christians at all.

Matthew 7
Not everyone who says to Me 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father in heaven shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Thy name, and cast out devils in Thy name, and work many miracles in Thy name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you workers of iniquity!'
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hope he doesnt say that to you for insulting many good Catholic people that devote their life to helping others
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

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Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
Dominion

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01/18/2011 07:20 PM
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Re: Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, you can't twist Scripture to mean what you want it to say.


Last Edited by Dominion on 01/26/2011 03:25 PM

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