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Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, you can't twist Scripture to mean what you want it to say.

 
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I've been to mass THOUSANDS of times, and at each and every mass there are three readings from the Bible, one OT, one NT, and one Gospel.

Each and every mass. If one attends every day like one should, within 3 yrs you will hear the entire Bible.


To the OP: I've been to mass before, probably 20 times(back in the day with my ex). I don't think I heard a single bible verse there ever, nor were we ever advised to open the scripture ourselves. It was non-stop rituals with a very, in my opinion, unhealthy focus on the priest whom they refer to as "father"(unbiblical). I'm not bashing catholics but at the same time I think your advice/warning, no matter how well-intentioned, is misguided. We are warned in the bible not to attempt communication(which would include prayer) to anyone not living on earth with the exception of Jesus. My advice would be to not pray to mary or any of the other saints. Jesus said no one comes to the Father but by him, and he intercedes on our behalf to God. Praying to mary or the saints is not only idolatry in my opinion but is basically telling Jesus in effect "just incase God ignores you, we will bombard mary and the saints as well just to be safe."
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On Steve Ray's (Catholic apologist) blog, the question was
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Why can't Evangelicals see the Eucharist?

one of the replies....from Erika:

I was in a fundamentalist, evangelical-type church for six years before I converted to the Catholic Church. I can’t tell you how many times I read that passage out of John 6 — however, it was as if I wasn’t reading it at all. It was meaningless to me. I didn’t understand what Jesus was saying, but like many other Scripture passages that I didn’t understand (the ones that Protestants largely avoid due to their Catholic nature) I basically would gloss over them and move on. I didn’t even realize there was the possibility of taking it literally, as nothing I had ever been taught about the faith indicated I should. In fact I wouldn’t ever have linked John 6 to the teachings on the Lord’s Supper. It is embarrassing to admit it, but my critical thinking skills were largely in the “off” position for many years. It’s very easy, I think especially when you’re in a fundamentalist community, to simply imbibe what the pastor and teachers say and never look beyond that. It is only by the grace of God, I think, that I finally began asking critical questions about the Scriptures (and ironically, it was exactly that passage out of John 6 that finally came to life for me and ultimately caused me to examine and embrace the Catholic Church).
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He is not present in that, but if it feels that way to YOU, then he is in fact present to YOU, but not in that. It is a MEMORY ceremony, not his presence in a little piece of wafer. It recalls his MEMORY. to believe he is IN the wafer, is antichrist. For the antichrist made that statment, so you are seen as engaging in cannibalism.
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He is not present in that, but if it feels that way to YOU, then he is in fact present to YOU, but not in that. It is a MEMORY ceremony, not his presence in a little piece of wafer. It recalls his MEMORY. to believe he is IN the wafer, is antichrist. For the antichrist made that statment, so you are seen as engaging in cannibalism.
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this perhaps from the UB will be enlightening to some. I once enjoyed the eucharist too, for it means beloveds, YOU ARE CHRIST, the word means that and you see it not.

Christ is a state of being. and to 3 thumbs collectors this is far less than 50%

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5. Establishing the Remembrance Supper

(1941.6) 179:5.1 As they brought Jesus the third cup of wine, the “cup of blessing,” he arose from the couch and, taking the cup in his hands, blessed it, saying: “Take this cup, all of you, and drink of it. This shall be the cup of my remembrance. This is the cup of the blessing of a new dispensation of grace and truth. This shall be to you the emblem of the bestowal and ministry of the divine Spirit of Truth. And I will not again drink this cup with you until I drink in new form with you in the Father’s eternal kingdom.”

(1942.1) 179:5.2 The apostles all sensed that something out of the ordinary was transpiring as they drank of this cup of blessing in profound reverence and perfect silence. The old Passover commemorated the emergence of their fathers from a state of racial slavery into individual freedom; now the Master was instituting a new remembrance supper as a symbol of the new dispensation wherein the enslaved individual emerges from the bondage of ceremonialism and selfishness into the spiritual joy of the brotherhood and fellowship of the liberated faith sons of the living God.

(1942.2) 179:5.3 When they had finished drinking this new cup of remembrance, the Master took up the bread and, after giving thanks, broke it in pieces and, directing them to pass it around, said: “Take this bread of remembrance and eat it. I have told you that I am the bread of life. And this bread of life is the united life of the Father and the Son in one gift. The word of the Father, as revealed in the Son, is indeed the bread of life.” When they had partaken of the bread of remembrance, the symbol of the living word of truth incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh, they all sat down.

(1942.3) 179:5.4 In instituting this remembrance supper, the Master, as was always his habit, resorted to parables and symbols. He employed symbols because he wanted to teach certain great spiritual truths in such a manner as to make it difficult for his successors to attach precise interpretations and definite meanings to his words. In this way he sought to prevent successive generations from crystallizing his teaching and binding down his spiritual meanings by the dead chains of tradition and dogma. In the establishment of the only ceremony or sacrament associated with his whole life mission, Jesus took great pains to suggest his meanings rather than to commit himself to precise definitions. He did not wish to destroy the individual’s concept of divine communion by establishing a precise form; neither did he desire to limit the believer’s spiritual imagination by formally cramping it. He rather sought to set man’s reborn soul free upon the joyous wings of a new and living spiritual liberty.

(1942.4) 179:5.5 Notwithstanding the Master’s effort thus to establish this new sacrament of the remembrance, those who followed after him in the intervening centuries saw to it that his express desire was effectively thwarted in that his simple spiritual symbolism of that last night in the flesh has been reduced to precise interpretations and subjected to the almost mathematical precision of a set formula. Of all Jesus’ teachings none have become more tradition-standardized.

(1942.5) 179:5.6 This supper of remembrance, when it is partaken of by those who are Son-believing and God-knowing, does not need to have associated with its symbolism any of man’s puerile misinterpretations regarding the meaning of the divine presence, for upon all such occasions the Master is really present. The remembrance supper is the believer’s symbolic rendezvous with Michael. When you become thus spirit-conscious, the Son is actually present, and his spirit fraternizes with the indwelling fragment of his Father.

(1942.6) 179:5.7 After they had engaged in meditation for a few moments, Jesus continued speaking: “When you do these things, recall the life I have lived on earth among you and rejoice that I am to continue to live on earth with you and to serve through you. As individuals, contend not among yourselves as to who shall be greatest. Be you all as brethren. And when the kingdom grows to embrace large groups of believers, likewise should you refrain from contending for greatness or seeking preferment between such groups.”

(1943.1) 179:5.8 And this mighty occasion took place in the upper chamber of a friend. There was nothing of sacred form or of ceremonial consecration about either the supper or the building. The remembrance supper was established without ecclesiastical sanction.

(1943.2) 179:5.9 When Jesus had thus established the supper of the remembrance, he said to the eleven: “And as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me. And when you do remember me, first look back upon my life in the flesh, recall that I was once with you, and then, by faith, discern that you shall all sometime sup with me in the Father’s eternal kingdom. This is the new Passover which I leave with you, even the memory of my bestowal life, the word of eternal truth; and of my love for you, the outpouring of my Spirit of Truth upon all flesh.” *

(1943.3) 179:5.10 And they ended this celebration of the old but bloodless Passover in connection with the inauguration of the new supper of the remembrance, by singing, all together, the one hundred and eighteenth Psalm.
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He is not present in that, but if it feels that way to YOU, then he is in fact present to YOU, but not in that. It is a MEMORY ceremony, not his presence in a little piece of wafer. It recalls his MEMORY. to believe he is IN the wafer, is antichrist. For the antichrist made that statment, so you are seen as engaging in cannibalism.
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Hi Nobody, grinning

Christianity for 1500 years, it's there in history, believed Jesus meant what He said. "This is My Body." God doesn't make mistakes nor run after the followers who found it too hard to believe. Jesus used the correct words, He is perfect.

The Protestant reformers came along and said "no" just as those who first walked away on hearing Our Lord's words. The reason is different though, Protestants reject the New Covenant ministerial priesthood so have no way to confect the Eucharist. It's so obvious, the entire world sees... the Protestant excuse, trying to make "remembrance" mean a symbol.

"remembrance" means ~

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After Christ consecrated and distributed His Body and Blood, He commanded the apostles to "Do this in remembrance of Me." That word - remembrance - is very important, because the Greek word it is translated from refers to a deep and complex concept that has no proper word or even short phrase in modern languages. That word is anamnesis, and, according to the best evidence, means a type of memorial sacrifice. What is a memorial sacrifice? Note that it's not the memorial of a sacrifice but rather a sacrifice that is itself a memorial - a critical distinction.

Because there is some contention regarding the meaning of anamnesis, we will look at how it is used elsewhere in the New Testament and the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament).

In the Old Testament, anamnesis is used to refer to either a bread sacrifice or a blood sacrifice - a memorial sacrifice, that is. Lev 24, full of the same terminology of priests, eating, memorial sacrifice, incense and bread that surrounds the Eucharist, speaks of the anamnesis of Aaron's priesthood. And Numbers 10 speaks of the burnt offerings of anamnesis offered to God to atone for sin. The parallels with the New Covenant Sacrifice are plentiful.

Anamnesis is used only once in the New Testament outside of the Last Supper narratives, in Heb 10, where Paul speaks of the Levitical sacrifices.

So, the concept of anamnesis existed in the Hebrew culture (religion): as mentioned in the Introduction the Passover itself has always been regarded by jewish people as not just a remembrance of the Exodus, but as a re-living or "making present" of those events. And so it is with the Eucharist: It is the making-present, in a mystical way, of Christ's sacrificial death. When Christ said "Do this anamnesis" He literally said "Celebrate this memorial sacrifice". And so the Church has always done:
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great video on the 50,000,000 killed during the inquisition over this cookie.
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great video on the 50,000,000 killed during the inquisition over this cookie.
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Mock Christ, you fool.

I call BX on your website. There are many of them and each one, the number who died is greater. True history shows 3 to five thousand were killed. The Spanish Inquisition was state run not of papal origin. There were a few Dominicans as judges only because they were more learned.

Cromwell in the English persecution of English Catholics and Ireland's Catholics killed over a million people.

Google what you wish and this what you end up with...



Here are a few examples of ridiculous anti-Catholic inflation of the execution numbers of the various Inquisitions (not posted in the thread above):

Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. . . . the very beast that slaughtered up to 75 million Protestants, . . . We will quote Catholic documents just as they were printed, so you can see the true face of this beast that slaughtered 75-100 million people over 1,200 years; . . .

("The True Face of the Roman Catholic Inquisition")


Prior to 1960, libraries in America were filled with books on the Inquisition. Today however, very few can be found. . . . Why has the Inquisition been covered up? Because the total number of victims of this atrocity reached about 68 million people.

They were Bible-believing Christians, jewish people and even Roman Catholics like Joan of Arc, Savanarola, Giordano Bruno and Galileo etc., who were destroyed by the Inquisition carried out by the "Holy Office." The victims were always found guilty. They never knew who accused them. They never had lawyers, and no one would dare lift a finger to help.

("The Last Great Inquisition!!")


Victor Hugo estimated the number of the victims of the Inquisition at five million, it is said, and certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution. To these millions should properly be added the others killed in the wars precipitated in the attempt to fasten the Inquisition upon the people of various countries, as the Netherlands and Germany.

("The Horrors of the Church and its Holy Inquisition")


Dr. Peter Ruckman [a KJV-Only goofball], in his two-volume book set on Church history, states that 50 million people were murdered during this period. Roman Catholic writter, John Cornwell also writes how 1-10 million were murdered during the Inquisition period alone, with 10,000 females (many under the age of ten) perishing in Germany (Sunday Times, 23/8/98.)

("The Inquisition: A Medieval Holocaust!")


Before someone stands up so freely for the RCC I think they should watch this video to understand how they killed and tortured over 50 million bible believing Christians during the Catholic Inquisition whose only heresy was that they would not pay homage to the Pope and place him on equal ground with Jesus Christ and owned a Bible which was srictly forbidden by the RCC so that they know not the truth.... remember Protestant in this regards was deemed as someone who "protested" such blashphemy [sic].

This posted from Richard Bennet who was a former RC priest for 22 years!! There is a small song in the beginning of it...so give it a couple minutes to get going. It is quite an eyeopener.

("Rapture Forums")


Just a small sample of the nonsense that can easily be found with a good Google search . . . .
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great video on the 50,000,000 killed during the inquisition over this cookie.
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Mock Christ, you fool.

I call BX on your website. There are many of them and each one, the number who died is greater. True history shows 3 to five thousand were killed. The Spanish Inquisition was state run not of papal origin. There were a few Dominicans as judges only because they were more learned.

Cromwell in the English persecution of English Catholics and Ireland's Catholics killed over a million people.

Google what you wish and this what you end up with...



Here are a few examples of ridiculous anti-Catholic inflation of the execution numbers of the various Inquisitions (not posted in the thread above):

Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. . . . the very beast that slaughtered up to 75 million Protestants, . . . We will quote Catholic documents just as they were printed, so you can see the true face of this beast that slaughtered 75-100 million people over 1,200 years; . . .

("The True Face of the Roman Catholic Inquisition")


Prior to 1960, libraries in America were filled with books on the Inquisition. Today however, very few can be found. . . . Why has the Inquisition been covered up? Because the total number of victims of this atrocity reached about 68 million people.

They were Bible-believing Christians, jewish people and even Roman Catholics like Joan of Arc, Savanarola, Giordano Bruno and Galileo etc., who were destroyed by the Inquisition carried out by the "Holy Office." The victims were always found guilty. They never knew who accused them. They never had lawyers, and no one would dare lift a finger to help.

("The Last Great Inquisition!!")


Victor Hugo estimated the number of the victims of the Inquisition at five million, it is said, and certainly the number was much greater than that if we take into account, as we should, the wives and husbands, the parents and children, the brothers and sisters, and other relatives of those tortured and slaughtered by the priestly institution. To these millions should properly be added the others killed in the wars precipitated in the attempt to fasten the Inquisition upon the people of various countries, as the Netherlands and Germany.

("The Horrors of the Church and its Holy Inquisition")


Dr. Peter Ruckman [a KJV-Only goofball], in his two-volume book set on Church history, states that 50 million people were murdered during this period. Roman Catholic writter, John Cornwell also writes how 1-10 million were murdered during the Inquisition period alone, with 10,000 females (many under the age of ten) perishing in Germany (Sunday Times, 23/8/98.)

("The Inquisition: A Medieval Holocaust!")


Before someone stands up so freely for the RCC I think they should watch this video to understand how they killed and tortured over 50 million bible believing Christians during the Catholic Inquisition whose only heresy was that they would not pay homage to the Pope and place him on equal ground with Jesus Christ and owned a Bible which was srictly forbidden by the RCC so that they know not the truth.... remember Protestant in this regards was deemed as someone who "protested" such blashphemy [sic].

This posted from Richard Bennet who was a former RC priest for 22 years!! There is a small song in the beginning of it...so give it a couple minutes to get going. It is quite an eyeopener.

("Rapture Forums")


Just a small sample of the nonsense that can easily be found with a good Google search . . . .
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It isn't Nonsense

It breaks Gods Holy 6th Commandment
& it breaks The Fake 5th Commandment of The Antichrist

Who Thought to Change God's Holy Times and Laws!

And who was drunk on the Blood of Christ's Saints and Martyrs
(then later Denies that they did anything)

Your Church is So Evil: it tells people they have ten Commandments when they only really have 8.......

They disposed of God's Sabbath.....
And They Disposed of The Second Commandment about "Idols"

2nd Commandment (it doesn't exist as far as The Papacy is concerned)
"Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments."

The Inquisition went on for over half a Millennium
Even though Both God's and The Fake Commandments Both say
See 6th Commandment below, you know it as the 5th because The second one was deleted By The Antichrist....

"Thou shalt not kill"

I'm sure that the figures are wrong and forever lost to History, But ALL will Be Revealed at The Judgement Day!

So, Does Jesus Condone Murder?!?
No He does Not
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What if You don't have any bread like in the movie "Alive"?

Will You be the first to volunteer?
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Another day, another attempt by Our Lord to bring you to
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Thursday, February 09, 2012


Message to Father Melvin Doucette

“I am the Living Bread”

The jewish people murmured about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven," and they said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, 'I have come down from heaven'?" Jesus answered and said to them, "Stop murmuring among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. It is written in the prophets: 'They shall all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." (John 6:41-61)




"I love you, My brother Melvin and all My brothers and sisters spread throughout the world. I have given you the greatest gift I could give you, namely Myself. I am the Bread of Life and anyone who eats this bread will live forever. The Bread of Life is the Eucharist, which I celebrated with My Apostles on Holy Thursday. I took bread and wine and changed them into My Body and Blood and gave these to My Apostles to eat and drink. They did so and they were united to Me in a very special way. I want all those, who believe in Me and have repented of their sins, to come and receive Me in the Holy Eucharist as often as possible. Holy Mass is offered every day in most parishes and the priest who has received the power to consecrate the bread and wine into My Body and Blood prepares this gift for you. Come and eat My flesh and My blood and I will live in your heart at all times. Remember that the Eucharist is the gift of Myself to you. Through the Eucharist you are united to Me and I will help you and guide you all the days of your life. Believe in the great miracle of the Eucharist and come often to adore Me in the Blessed Sacrament. I love you all."
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Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

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A recent message to Australian seer, Valentina.

Jesus says it simply, you only have to believe. And
remember, Paul used the term "breaking of the bread." hf

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All Has Been Revealed to You


Friday 27 April 2012


Reflection:
Begin even on the night of the Mount of Olives and with true faithful love accompany Me along the way that I have walked for you.



Lord, how I pray to be all that this reflection is asking of me and still more. Lord I know this will only be possible if I remain in Your Presence at all times. Please Lord do not let my will separate from Your most holy Will. I want only Your Will to be done unto me always, Teacher and Friend.

At the breaking of the bread you will know My Love is for you, My children. This is My Body and My Blood. Do not be fooled by any other thoughts or words of My Sacrificial Love that I left for you to ponder on and consume, and to give thanks for your strengthening Food of all Love. Take and eat of My Body and know it is all of Me that you take, not just a part but all of Me, My Strength, Courage and Love. It is all there for you too to be My Strength and Courage and Love to share with all My lonely people. Come, wake up to your calling and show to Me your love at all times during these times of trials as you wait for My glorious Coming of My Second Advent. Come My children, come back to Me with all your heart, mind and soul, come.


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A recent message to Australian seer, Valentina.

Jesus says it simply, you only have to believe. And
remember, Paul used the term "breaking of the bread." hf

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All Has Been Revealed to You


Friday 27 April 2012


Reflection:
Begin even on the night of the Mount of Olives and with true faithful love accompany Me along the way that I have walked for you.



Lord, how I pray to be all that this reflection is asking of me and still more. Lord I know this will only be possible if I remain in Your Presence at all times. Please Lord do not let my will separate from Your most holy Will. I want only Your Will to be done unto me always, Teacher and Friend.

At the breaking of the bread you will know My Love is for you, My children. This is My Body and My Blood. Do not be fooled by any other thoughts or words of My Sacrificial Love that I left for you to ponder on and consume, and to give thanks for your strengthening Food of all Love. Take and eat of My Body and know it is all of Me that you take, not just a part but all of Me, My Strength, Courage and Love. It is all there for you too to be My Strength and Courage and Love to share with all My lonely people. Come, wake up to your calling and show to Me your love at all times during these times of trials as you wait for My glorious Coming of My Second Advent. Come My children, come back to Me with all your heart, mind and soul, come.


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rose If it's "too hard" to believe Our Lord's words in the above message, think of them when the "awakening" happens. rose rose
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A recent message to Australian seer, Valentina.

Jesus says it simply, you only have to believe. And
remember, Paul used the term "breaking of the bread." hf

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All Has Been Revealed to You


Friday 27 April 2012


Reflection:
Begin even on the night of the Mount of Olives and with true faithful love accompany Me along the way that I have walked for you.



At the breaking of the bread you will know My Love is for you, My children. This is My Body and My Blood. Do not be fooled by any other thoughts or words of My Sacrificial Love that I left for you to ponder on and consume, and to give thanks for your strengthening Food of all Love. Take and eat of My Body and know it is all of Me that you take, not just a part but all of Me, My Strength, Courage and Love. It is all there for you too to be My Strength and Courage and Love to share with all My lonely people. Come, wake up to your calling and show to Me your love at all times during these times of trials as you wait for My glorious Coming of My Second Advent. Come My children, come back to Me with all your heart, mind and soul, come.


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If the above is too "hard" a saying to accept now, remember
them when the Great Warning takes place.


John 6:61
Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it?
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John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.

The Eucharist is not a symbol or a remembrance of Calvary, it is truly Jesus Christ, the risen Christ, His body, blood, soul and divinity.

Think in a supernatural way, not in a human way. God says it
is so, He can do anything...believe. peace
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John 6:51-52
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my FLESH, for the life of the world.

Jesus says that the bread which He will give for the life of the world is His flesh. When did He give His flesh for the life of the world? On the cross. Was that symbolic? If you think Jesus is speaking symbolically here when He says that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood, then you must also conclude that Jesus’ death on the cross was symbolic...it wasn’t really Jesus hanging up there...it was symbolic flesh and symbolic blood.
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Remember, the Great Warning of Revelation 6 could be as soon
as next year. God doesn't give exact dates, people would
wait until the last moment to change.

"Reconciliation" is Confession.

rose rose rose

message to Jennifer

9/20/12
6:59 PM

My child, the unraveling has begun for great disruption is soon to sweep throughout the world. My tears of mercy have been falling and yet few respond to My words of warning. Few heed to My mercy and the hand of justice can no longer be held back.

Come My children and turn to the Eucharist for I am there fully present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. The graces that await you; and yet I ask what keeps you away? Do not sleep My children rather stay awake for the hour has come for you to truly be attentive.

Pray, pray from your heart and allow My hand to guide you on your way to salvation. Allow your heart to be united to Mine through the Sacraments and it begins through reconciliation. The world must reconcile itself to its Creator for I am Jesus. One by one I am calling you because one by one I formed you in your mother’s womb and it is the womb that is being destroyed by selfishness and sinfulness.

Come My children and reconcile yourselves for the world is unraveling unto its own sinfulness. Too many seek pleasure and not pain but it is your pleasures that are causing your souls to suffer. Look to the cross and you will find joy, peace and your true happiness for I am Jesus. I am love, joy and peace, come My children, come to Me for I am your peace in this world that has no peace. Now go forth and repent for the hour for the world has come for My mercy and justice will prevail.

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John 6:51-52
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my FLESH, for the life of the world.

Jesus says that the bread which He will give for the life of the world is His flesh. When did He give His flesh for the life of the world? On the cross. Was that symbolic? If you think Jesus is speaking symbolically here when He says that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood, then you must also conclude that Jesus’ death on the cross was symbolic...it wasn’t really Jesus hanging up there...it was symbolic flesh and symbolic blood.
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Hmmm..."symbolic" falls apart doesn't it.
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John 6:51-52
I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my FLESH, for the life of the world.

Jesus says that the bread which He will give for the life of the world is His flesh. When did He give His flesh for the life of the world? On the cross. Was that symbolic? If you think Jesus is speaking symbolically here when He says that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood, then you must also conclude that Jesus’ death on the cross was symbolic...it wasn’t really Jesus hanging up there...it was symbolic flesh and symbolic blood.
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Hmmm..."symbolic" falls apart doesn't it.
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hf
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You can post a thousand pages of your foolishness and you'll still be wrong. Jesus meant it figuratively, not literally. The bread and wine are only symbols of His flesh and blood. They do not actually become flesh and blood, nor were they ever intended to. Catholics are daft.
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Where does it say in Scripture Jesus said the "bread and
wine" are a symbol?

You're cancelled, you can't provide it.

Protestantism can't convect the Eucharist, they reject the
Church and the priesthood. What else are they left to say.

Read the first Christians quotes about Our Lord's words,
"This is My body."

Why? When you can receive God Himself, do you accept so
little? Because...you would have to change, but oh how I
wish and pray every Protestant will.

You can become Roman Catholic, at least, before the Great
Warning...have the desire. Read Catholic writings, Catholic
sites, Catholic books...a Catholic Bible.




www.drbo.org
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I was married to a devout Catholic and her Father is a Deacon.
They (Catholics) keep Christ crucified on the cross. They wont allow anyone to accept communion unless you "QUALIFY" by Catholic terms.
Their churches are riddled with Idols which Jesus stated not to have.
AND WHY did Jesus go to the Cross if you need to go through a Priest for forgiveness???
He did this so the Veil that the Priest were behind in their tabenacles doing sacrafices would come down.
Jesus stated this himself.
Catholics are deceived by their Religion and do not follow the very teachings of our Lord Christ Jesus.

Sorry Brothr/Sister, but you need to repent and accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior and turn from your wicked religion.
I will pray for you.
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You can post a thousand pages of your foolishness and you'll still be wrong. Jesus meant it figuratively, not literally. The bread and wine are only symbols of His flesh and blood. They do not actually become flesh and blood, nor were they ever intended to. Catholics are daft.
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Where does it say in Scripture Jesus said the "bread and
wine" are a symbol?

You're cancelled, you can't provide it.

Protestantism can't convect the Eucharist, they reject the
Church and the priesthood. What else are they left to say.

Read the first Christians quotes about Our Lord's words,
"This is My body."

Why? When you can receive God Himself, do you accept so
little? Because...you would have to change, but oh how I
wish and pray every Protestant will.

You can become Roman Catholic, at least, before the Great
Warning...have the desire. Read Catholic writings, Catholic
sites, Catholic books...a Catholic Bible.




www.drbo.org
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1214025


I was married to a devout Catholic and her Father is a Deacon.
They (Catholics) keep Christ crucified on the cross. They wont allow anyone to accept communion unless you "QUALIFY" by Catholic terms.
Their churches are riddled with Idols which Jesus stated not to have.
AND WHY did Jesus go to the Cross if you need to go through a Priest for forgiveness???
He did this so the Veil that the Priest were behind in their tabenacles doing sacrafices would come down.
Jesus stated this himself.
Catholics are deceived by their Religion and do not follow the very teachings of our Lord Christ Jesus.

Sorry Brothr/Sister, but you need to repent and accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior and turn from your wicked religion.
I will pray for you.
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The empty cross, a way for the reformers to distance
themselves from the faith. Many Protestants do recognize
the power of the crucifix. A crucifix is used in the Rite of Exorcism not a cross.

You must be Catholic to receive Our Lord. The Remnant is Roman Catholic, soon, all will believe in the Eucharist, you too.

Scripture on "idols" these are images of false gods not the real God and the saints in Heaven. Protestants may not have statues but they have images of Our Lord in their Bibles and paintings. Throw out the "idol" objection.

Jesus established Confession (John 20:23) You have to
hear someone's sins to forgive them. Read the verse.
Our dear non-Catholic Christian brothers and sisters, some
of them do profess you must repent and confess your sins
to God.

The "continual sacrifice" is prophesied in Daniel and
Malachi, this is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

On Confession, it is so very important to the life of your soul. Read this message from Heaven. Repent and confess your sins to God, examine your life, your conscience and do it. Catholics must do more, they must go to Confession.

Pray, confess your sins, to prepare for the Great Warning.


blessings to you,

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message to John Leary

Wednesday, September 26, 2012: (St. Cosmas & St. Damien, Camille)

Camille said: “Hello everybody. You were curious before why I was trying to get your attention with Sharon’s necklace. I told you then that time was getting short for converting your lives, especially those in the family who are not going to Sunday Mass. Today, I am telling you to get your spiritual lives in order with Jesus because the day of the Warning is getting close. I am preparing you for this day because it was quite shocking for me to see my judgment to hell when I died for a short time. Once Carol asked me about going to Confession, I wanted to do it, but on the next day. I thank her for her prayers and bringing the priest to hear my confession. This is why I want our family members to be prepared for this coming Warning so they are not as shocked at their life review as I was. By waking up now to see how they need to be closer to Jesus in attending Sunday Mass, then they will be prepared to face Jesus at their judgment in their life review. I love all of my family, and I am praying for all of you.”


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Pharisees......a tough group to reach.


Only one came to Christ and was born again.....Nicodemus.



"how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS to serve the living God?"



Good works will always accompany genuine faith in Christ.....works of the Holy Spirit......works viewed as good by God.....not as determined by man.


Only those who have been born of the Spirit.....indwelt by the Holy Spirit.....are capable of good works.....and thos works are energized and directed by the Spirit.


And that is why such works are referred to in Scripture as the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22)


Your body has already been killed by sin......and is not capable of good works. That is why Paul said that there is evil in his flesh.....sin residing there.....and that his p body was in fact already dead because of sin.


The only good thing about a born again Christian is the Holy Spirit..... who God put there when that person gave their life to Christ.
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Pharisees......a tough group to reach.


Only one came to Christ and was born again.....Nicodemus.



"how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS to serve the living God?"



Good works will always accompany genuine faith in Christ.....works of the Holy Spirit......works viewed as good by God.....not as determined by man.


Only those who have been born of the Spirit.....indwelt by the Holy Spirit.....are capable of good works.....and thos works are energized and directed by the Spirit.


And that is why such works are referred to in Scripture as the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22)


Your body has already been killed by sin......and is not capable of good works. That is why Paul said that there is evil in his flesh.....sin residing there.....and that his p body was in fact already dead because of sin.


The only good thing about a born again Christian is the Holy Spirit..... who God put there when that person gave their life to Christ.
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Friend,

You mention Nicodemus. Our Lord explained to him the meaning of "born again" as we read in John 3.

Where is the "water" in accepting Jesus Christ one time
as your personal Lord and Savior? Read further, I think
it is John 22, Jesus and the Apostles went out and
BAPTIZED.

"Born Again" is water Baptism. A teaching of the Church
for 2000 years.

God bless you,
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if anyone here follows the webside thewarningsecondcoming.com, im sure you would agree with me that the true catholic church and its practices are absolutely pure and the prayers all point to Jesus. The Holy Communion done during holy mass holds such great potential of encountering Jesus in the most intimate way, but those who just do it for tradition are blind to its benefits.
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if anyone here follows the webside thewarningsecondcoming.com, im sure you would agree with me that the true catholic church and its practices are absolutely pure and the prayers all point to Jesus. The Holy Communion done during holy mass holds such great potential of encountering Jesus in the most intimate way, but those who just do it for tradition are blind to its benefits.
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Amen. rose The great loss of faith in the last 50 years but
soon, don't get down, God is going to change hearts.

Protestants will finally, at long last accept Jesus wishes
to come to everyone in such a humble way. His presence in
the most Holy Eucharist, the Real Presence is true.
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if anyone here follows the webside thewarningsecondcoming.com, im sure you would agree with me that the true catholic church and its practices are absolutely pure and the prayers all point to Jesus. The Holy Communion done during holy mass holds such great potential of encountering Jesus in the most intimate way, but those who just do it for tradition are blind to its benefits.
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Amen. rose The great loss of faith in the last 50 years but
soon, don't get down, God is going to change hearts.

Protestants will finally, at long last accept Jesus wishes
to come to everyone in such a humble way. His presence in
the most Holy Eucharist, the Real Presence is true.
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There is nothing Holy about your cookie god.

The pagan practice was condemned by God in the OT.

"And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her, without our men?" (Jeremiah 44:19)

Jeremiah 7:18 "The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger."

Holy Eucharist is a pre-Christian pagan practice used by the Roman Church to capture the lost. They twist a few scripture to support the pagan practice or Gnosticism.
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The folks here on the forum who keep repeating
"Jesus is coming soon" with nothing to add to clarify are are the very ones who reject Our Lord's presence
in the most Holy Eucharist.

Our Lord shares in the prophetic, He is going to go out after the Protestant sheep personally.

He is so loving....hf
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You have to agree, yes, only God speaks like this, His words
will touch your heart. Go straight to the top, to the summit of belief. Come...accept Our Lord is present in the
most Holy Eucharist. hf

An excerpt, the first words in the message...

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Message To Carolyn Kwiecinski October 24, 2012


Message to Heavenly Grace Prayer Group in Howell, Michigan at St. Joseph Catholic Church on October 24, 2012:


(The Blessed Mother)


"My Children, It is good for you to come, to offer your prayers for my intentions. Thank God for the tremendous gift that He provides to you this night and always, for in all places and in many times He sends me, and many, to speak to His children and bring them home to Him.


He has sent me these many years to you, and year after year I speak the same message because there is but one message to speak. I have obtained for you that He Himself ought to speak to you this night. Be still."


(The Lord Jesus)


My Children, I Am your sovereign Lord. I, your Jesus speak. Through My servant I come, she who is My Mother, as she intercedes on behalf of you all. Through this one whom I have chosen, who allows Me to come and to speak to you in her voice, I come. In greater measure, in greater power, in greater glory, in the Church and her Sacraments, I come. In My Eucharistic Self that lives in you at this moment, I come. You, you among you here who have received Me even this day, do you know that My heart beats in you? You among you, who have come before those whom I have ordained on this Earth to stand in my stead in the confessional, to be reconciled unto Me, do you know that it is I, I who spoke, I who absolved, I who made peace where there was sin and death?


How many of you this week, this month, this year, sought Me in the stillness of a church, before My body exposed, before a tabernacle, in which I repose? Do you not know, yet, that there I was with you? You do not see. You cannot. In these small ways I break into the world to seek you. You cannot comprehend what I do to come to you in these ways. You cannot imagine what it was for Me to come to reside in you. You do not know what your God has done. It is not through your fault that you do not know. It is not because of your sins, simply because you are not as I Am.


You do not see My face as I Am. Even if man had never walked from My grace, still My creature could not comprehend My majesty. How perfect then, My ways, that I should deign to come unto you as you, that I took upon Myself human flesh and a human soul that forever, for always, in every age, I and you would be one. Think. Imagine. Can you comprehend it? How does this not fill you with indescribable joy?...


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Scipture has been twisted into stricture since the f'in good book was written....

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