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Loughner's defense

 
Plautus (OP)

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"The man accused of killing six people and attempting to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) surfed the internet for information on lethal injections, solitary confinement in prison and political assassins in the weeks and days before the shooting rampage, The Washington Post reported Wednesday."

[link to www.nypost.com]

This is a disturbing emerging trend, the media seems to be pushing the idea anyone researching political assassinations, solitary confinement and lethal injections could "snap" some day and decide to become a political assassin. Better not research too closely, maybe reading about it can make you crazy. Wooo-ooo-ooo!
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"Donning an orange jumpsuit, wire-rimmed glasses and his now-trademark plastic grin, Jared Lee Loughner (22) pled “not guilty” to charges of attempted murder and attempted assassination, including three counts of attempting to kill federal employees, in a Phoenix courtroom on Monday."

[link to www.thehindu.com]

Where did the wire rimmed glasses come from?

"Jared Loughner, wearing a hoodie and sunglasses and having got change from a Safeway cashier to pay the cabdriver, is now walking up to Representative Giffords and leveling a Glock 19 pistol at her head. The ugly and twisted part comes next."

[link to www.time.com] #ixzz1CAyd6nwi

Was he wearing sunglasses over his glasses? Maybe he was carrying his wire rimmed spectacles in an unbreakable case in his pocket when he got dogpiled.
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"I told him, 'She is meeting with a constituent right now but you are welcome to get in line and wait,'" Villec told TIME, "But he didn't seem interested in what I wanted to say. The eerie thing now is how he dismissed me. As the rest of my words were trailing off, he abruptly turned and left. But it appeared as though he had complied. He went to the back of the line. ... I really thought he was going to wait in line, that is where he was headed, and I kind of lost track of him."

Read more: [link to www.time.com]

Here we have another witness putting Loughner at the back of the line, not inside the Safeway.

The paltry descriptions of the videos we're given through the media leave no doubt, the shooter was wandering around inside the Safeway at least five minutes before 10AM, Loughner arrived a little after 10AM and went to the back of the line, at 10:10AM the shooter came out of the Safeway and immediately started shooting . How on EARTH is everyone MISSING THIS?
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And this witness' statement suggests he doesn't even know who was shot first, that Roll may have been shot in the back before anyone else:

"The ensuing seconds were chaotic and almost impossible to reconstruct from memory. According to other people at the scene, federal district judge John Roll was the firt person shot. But, says Villec, 'I couldn't see it with my own eyes. There was just bedlam. Clearly, she was the target, but I am not sure who was shot first.'"

[link to www.time.com]

Who are these "other people at the scene" who identify Roll as the first one shot? Whoever they are, their stories are buried in the fluff predicated on the stories of Badger, Maisch and Salzgeber.
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Plautus = Poster Child For Obsessive Behaviour

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Plautus = Poster Child For Obsessive Behaviour
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I've already addressed your complaints:

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I guess the media is bored but still under pressure to continue bleating about this:

"January 26, 2011 | What if the alleged gunman in Tucson wasn't named Jared Loughner but instead was named Ali Mohammed?"

Since they have nothing else new to talk about, and seem to be deliberately ignoring all the facts that they themselves have presented, now they're making up hypothetical outrages for people to get pissed off about. Hey what if it was muslim terrorists instead! Fucking morons.
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"Investigative sources have said that Jared Lee Loughner spent time researching famous assassins, such as Harvey Lee Oswald— the gunman behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, and also researched the death penalty."

[link to www.ktsm.com]

Wow, he researched patsies. :|
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"Capt. Chris Nanos with the Pima County Sheriff's Department said, 'from the time when Loughner shows up on video and the time he disappears from out of sight, it's about 12-15 seconds time frame is my guess.'

And in that short amount of time Nanos said Loughner wasn't just spraying bullets. Nanos said, 'He was very deliberate in his actions and he moved very swiftly. In my opinion he targeted these individuals. He knew what he was doing.'"

[link to www.kvoa.com]

This is a police captain saying the shooter was "very deliberate" and "knew what he was doing", and that he targeted individuals. This sounds more and more like the work of a trained shooter like Zamudio who, by his own admission, has been shooting targets for years.

These passages also point out, once again, that the shooter is not shown being tackled. These two things together with direct witness statements that Loughner went to the back of the line just before the shooting started, and that the shooter had been in the Safeway wandering around before Loughner even showed up, strongly suggest Loughner was not the shooter.
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"But even with all the evidence, witness statements, and now his recent internet activity, some legal experts said it's not a slam dunk for the death penalty.

Legal expert Dana Cole said, 'It could help the prosecution, but it can also help the defense to show that he's so crazy in trying to do all this research to plan an assassination for what reason? There is no reason. I mean he clearly was paranoid. He clearly had delusional thought processes and ultimately that's what the defense is going to use to try and spare his life.'"

[link to www.kvoa.com]

Why is the media obsessed with the death penalty already? He hasn't even been charged with a capital offense yet.

This passage also illustrates the glaringly obvious, that this kid had NO MOTIVE for doing this. The utter lack of motive is not, as has been billed, the supreme evidence that a suspect is insane. Motive is one of the three pillars holding up any criminal murder case. Opportunity, means, motive, not necessary to convict but necessary to convince.
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"Don’t jump to conclusions"

[link to unlvrebelyell.com]

This is one tabloid headline people should pay attention to.

"Yet, for me, as this tragedy unfolded on Jan. 8 and in the days following, I intensely studied the reaction of the traditional media.

More importantly, I studied how and what the media reported about the incident."

Hmm, I guess I'm not the only one who's been carefully analyzing the media coverage of this event. That's encouraging.

"Based on that one fact, the media narrative became something akin to this: Was the shooter part of the Tea Party?"

Oh, he's just upset the "Tea Party" had some mud thrown at them. D'oh!

"The night of the shooting, retired General Wesley Clark said on CNN, “The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions.”

We cannot jump to conclusions,” said CNN’s Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. “We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever.”"

So a lot of people said "don't jump to conclusions" but then jumped to the immediate conclusion that the lone nut theory was right. Are repeaters really this gullible to think every political assassination is done by a "lone nut"?

"Even Obama, in an incoherent speech immediately after the incident, urged everyone to not jump to conclusions."

I guess the President himself urging people not to jump to conclusions doesn't work.

"Perhaps the new tagline for places like CNN should be, “Who are you going to believe — me or your lying eyes?”"

Indeed.
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Great compilation work.

I also recall in an early video, one of GG's staff stating that the Judge was shot first.

Also, if you can find this article, Bill Badger (Col.), stated that he saw JL run to the shrubs and dump out some stuff into the bushes. Possibly out of a backpack. Right before the cops showed up.

Now, I would like to know how in hell, with JL being purportedly pinned down by none other than Bill Badger and a few others this would have or could have happened?

He is also the one stating that Salzgeber hit him with a folding chair. Salzgeber denies this and no other witness has ever mentioned this having happened either.



Ignore what detractors say. Carry on and maybe add reposts to the Susan Hileman thread for the posters who are looking into these oddities and outrages over there.

I think it's important to document. Thanks.
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This is from January 9:

"Police did not release the name of the gunman at the press conference but most news media outlets have released the name of Jared Lee Loughner (reported earlier as Laughner). Police said the suspect has a troubled past."

[link to explorernews.com]

If the police didn't release his name then how did the media get it?
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Excellent point! Well, It is amazing as well that the mispelling in the beginning from whatever leaked source to the media matched the mispellings on JLL Facebook MySpace and YouTube accounts. And when they are conveniently "corrected", (by whom), since JLL apparantly didn't know how to spell his own name, no one in the media raised an eyebrow.
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"Per the AP, the gunman in Arizona lawmaker's shooting identified as Jared Laughner, and the weapon used was a pistol with an extended magazine. According to Jay Bookman, Laughner is 'ex-military and fought in Afghanistan.'"

[link to www.zerohedge.com]

"U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly."

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"Daniel Hernandez Jr., a 20-year-old University of Arizona student who’d been working as an intern for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords for only five days, is being credited with saving her life after she was shot on Saturday."

[link to www.dallasvoice.com]

This man supposedly wrapped his jacket around Giffords' head immediately after the shooting.

"When they arrived at the hospital, Hernandez was soaked in blood. His family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for evidence."

Why would the FBI need this guy's clothes for evidence? Did they seize everything at the crime scene that had blood on it or just Giffords?

In the 911 call a Manuel Hernandez identifies himself and says the shooter is gone, that he ran past Walgreens. When was Loughner tackled? Why isn't Hernandez saying "they've got the guy held down on the ground and they're waving the gun at his head". By this time they know Giffords has a pulse, so Daniel must have his jacket wrapped around her head by now, so why no mention of Loughner held down on the ground, why report the shooter ran off?
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Don't let them get you down, Plautus. You are doing tremendous work keeping this story alive. There are so many disturbing, unanswered questions here.

The CIA, School of Ecology background of the bizarre Susan Hileman, who inexplicably took 9 year old Christina Taylor to the event, for instance. As a parent, it's incomprehensible to me to think one would ever let their child become such close "friends" with a woman 50 years older than them. Hileman even, very perversely, referred to little Christina as her "girlfriend" in one statement I read. Ugh.

One weird thing I noticed, in the only photo I've seen from the "event" that purports to show Giffords after the shooting, is the way she appeared on that stretcher. Others have noted the lack of blood on her. Did anyone catch those legs of hers? They look gorgeous, and are almost completely exposed (in pantyhose). What was she wearing- a mini, minskirt? Very short shorts? Hard to envision how or why she'd have that much leg showing.

I've tried to point out some of the incongruities of the "official" story here, but almost everyone I know is a typical sheeple. Sometimes I wonder why people like Plautus even bother.
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Sometimes I wonder why people like Plautus even bother.
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I don't like stories with holes in them.
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Don't let them get you down, Plautus. You are doing tremendous work keeping this story alive. There are so many disturbing, unanswered questions here.

The CIA, School of Ecology background of the bizarre Susan Hileman, who inexplicably took 9 year old Christina Taylor to the event, for instance. As a parent, it's incomprehensible to me to think one would ever let their child become such close "friends" with a woman 50 years older than them. Hileman even, very perversely, referred to little Christina as her "girlfriend" in one statement I read. Ugh.

One weird thing I noticed, in the only photo I've seen from the "event" that purports to show Giffords after the shooting, is the way she appeared on that stretcher. Others have noted the lack of blood on her. Did anyone catch those legs of hers? They look gorgeous, and are almost completely exposed (in pantyhose). What was she wearing- a mini, minskirt? Very short shorts? Hard to envision how or why she'd have that much leg showing.

I've tried to point out some of the incongruities of the "official" story here, but almost everyone I know is a typical sheeple. Sometimes I wonder why people like Plautus even bother.
 Quoting: sci fi girl



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Don't let them get you down, Plautus. You are doing tremendous work keeping this story alive. There are so many disturbing, unanswered questions here.

The CIA, School of Ecology background of the bizarre Susan Hileman, who inexplicably took 9 year old Christina Taylor to the event, for instance. As a parent, it's incomprehensible to me to think one would ever let their child become such close "friends" with a woman 50 years older than them. Hileman even, very perversely, referred to little Christina as her "girlfriend" in one statement I read. Ugh.

One weird thing I noticed, in the only photo I've seen from the "event" that purports to show Giffords after the shooting, is the way she appeared on that stretcher. Others have noted the lack of blood on her. Did anyone catch those legs of hers? They look gorgeous, and are almost completely exposed (in pantyhose). What was she wearing- a mini, minskirt? Very short shorts? Hard to envision how or why she'd have that much leg showing.

I've tried to point out some of the incongruities of the "official" story here, but almost everyone I know is a typical sheeple. Sometimes I wonder why people like Plautus even bother.
 Quoting: sci fi girl

 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I've already addressed your complaints:

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I've already addressed your complaints:
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Since when is laughing in your face a "complaint"?

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I've already addressed your complaints:
 Quoting: Plautus


Since when is laughing in your face a "complaint"?
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See above, I've already addressed your complaint.
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This is from January 9:

"Police did not release the name of the gunman at the press conference but most news media outlets have released the name of Jared Lee Loughner (reported earlier as Laughner). Police said the suspect has a troubled past."

[link to explorernews.com]

If the police didn't release his name then how did the media get it?
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The police or sheriff doing an interview did release his name in their first interview, as Laughner. I was watching CNN at the time and the name was spelled out for the media as Laughner. After that it became reported in the media, turning into Lougher shortly after.
Some media didn't always include the same middle name, one reported it as Jared G. instead of Jared Lee.
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He don't need a defense.
He's a Joo.
He will spend the rest of his life in some nice hospital with three squares a day, free medical care, and weekly visits from mummy and daddy.
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He don't need a defense.
He's a Joo.
He will spend the rest of his life in some nice hospital with three squares a day, free medical care, and weekly visits from mummy and daddy.
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I suppose that's possible, this could be a Nick Berg style "sacrifice".
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It was only a matter of time till some schmuck blamed it on dem skeery Joooosss....

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It was only a matter of time till some schmuck blamed it on dem skeery Joooosss....
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I've already addressed each and every one of your complaints here:

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 11)

Please stop posting in this thread until you have something relevant to add.
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It was only a matter of time till some schmuck blamed it on dem skeery Joooosss....
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I've already addressed each and every one of your complaints here:

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 11)

Please stop posting in this thread until you have something relevant to add.
 Quoting: Plautus


OK

Here's 'Relevant' fur ye, Buford...

You need to either seek help, or someone needs to commit you...

You are a danger to yourself and others...

You are a fucking psycho, just like Loughner...

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It was only a matter of time till some schmuck blamed it on dem skeery Joooosss....
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I've already addressed each and every one of your complaints here:

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 11)

Please stop posting in this thread until you have something relevant to add.
 Quoting: Plautus


OK

Here's 'Relevant' fur ye, Buford...

You need to either seek help, or someone needs to commit you...

You are a danger to yourself and others...

You are a fucking psycho, just like Loughner...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


I've already addressed every one of your complaints here:

Thread: Loughner's defense (Page 11)