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rolleyes
they're all the same, xtian, islam, jewish.
violent and so absolutely sure they are right and if you don't believe as them, they wish hateful things on you.
now that is sick and twisted.

But did I say anything about those religions or if I'm absolutely sure about something?

It seems those who believe in what they claim these entities tell them are "absolutely sure" that they aren't being deceived when they very well may be.
 Quoting: FreedomStands


Christians, Muslims, and Jews are definitely deceived.

So really, I see absolutely no difference... except that I don't see a worldwide history of username Nobody In Particular slaughtering and/or torturing millions upon millions of other people for the crime of not believing him.

So comparatively... he's pretty harmless.... these other religions aren't even slightly harmless.
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rolleyes
they're all the same, xtian, islam, jewish.
violent and so absolutely sure they are right and if you don't believe as them, they wish hateful things on you.
now that is sick and twisted.

But did I say anything about those religions or if I'm absolutely sure about something?

It seems those who believe in what they claim these entities tell them are "absolutely sure" that they aren't being deceived when they very well may be.


Remember god is an entity to, what make you so sure he isn't lying, can you even tell me you gods name
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Remember you don't know what God is truly and you don't know if his name is relevant. Although you could call God God.
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Isn't your bible also written by deceptive Drunken men????
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Don't hate cause you don't have contact


WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOUR PASTOR MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE OR HIS TEACHINGS TRUE


Why do you say something as insulting as "your bible" to me? Do you know anything about my beliefs? Why are you accusing me of believing in things that I might not believe in? Why are you trying to insult me by insulting things you think I believe in?

I'd suggest your own advice to you as well "don't hate cause you don't have contact".

It seems the way you're pointing out things about the Bible and trying to connect me to things, and accuse me of believing in something is like a form of "hate" or at least coming from "hate".

What I find interesting about those who believe in the alien stuff is they seem just as fanatic as some Christians about their beliefs.

Again you continue to accuse me of having a "pastor" and believing in some "pastor" and all that.

Can't you see what you're doing? I'm asking questions here.
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I'm not by any means a fanatic I'm jus tired of people trashing that in which they do not understand, thus out of fear which is that which you are doing, kthnx :)
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Remember god is an entity to, what make you so sure he isn't lying, can you even tell me you gods name
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Why are you making so many guesses and implying things about me? Isn't that a tactic that religious people might use to discredit others baselessly or associate them with things they don't want to be associated with or don't consider themselves associated with?

Who said I'm "so sure" of anything or that I believe in whatever you're calling a god?

You're reminding me of something you also can't possibly know? Saying that "god is an entity too"? Please look to yourself and realize how you might be jumping into so many conclusions about me just because you might trust the entities baselessly.
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rolleyes
they're all the same, xtian, islam, jewish.
violent and so absolutely sure they are right and if you don't believe as them, they wish hateful things on you.
now that is sick and twisted.

But did I say anything about those religions or if I'm absolutely sure about something?

It seems those who believe in what they claim these entities tell them are "absolutely sure" that they aren't being deceived when they very well may be.


Remember god is an entity to, what make you so sure he isn't lying, can you even tell me you gods name


Remember you don't know what God is truly and you don't know if his name is relevant. Although you could call God God.
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His names isnt "god" though.
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Remember god is an entity to, what make you so sure he isn't lying, can you even tell me you gods name


Why are you making so many guesses and implying things about me? Isn't that a tactic that religious people might use to discredit others baselessly or associate them with things they don't want to be associated with or don't consider themselves associated with?

Who said I'm "so sure" of anything or that I believe in whatever you're calling a god?

You're reminding me of something you also can't possibly know? Saying that "god is an entity too"? Please look to yourself and realize how you might be jumping into so many conclusions about me just because you might trust the entities baselessly.
 Quoting: FreedomStands


" if you deny me in front of your brethren, i will deny you in front of all my children,"

Your comments make it perfectly clear as to where you stand so why deny your faith when someone disagrees? Hmmmmmmm
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I'm not by any means a fanatic I'm jus tired of people trashing that in which they do not understand, thus out of fear which is that which you are doing, kthnx :)
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Well I'm sure Christians and whoever else feel bad about people "trashing" things. But I'm not "trashing" anything, nor do I intend to. I'm showing it, and asking questions about it, and suggesting that it might not be trustworthy in intent.

Meanwhile, you counter by making accusations about my beliefs and assuming I'm a Christian, while others assume I'm a Muslims, or that I believe in whatever they might be thinking is a God, or assuming I follow some pastor or whatever else I'm being accused of.

I'm saying look at what they are saying and teaching, and that there is no reason to believe they "know" anything at all, but are rather as ignorant as any of us. Because if you understand the nature of knowledge and certainty, you might understand it takes a great leap to think you're sure, and the sureness is what may lead people astray and take major risks baselessly.
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OP just a few thoughts. The meme of gods from above or beyond has been with humans ever since the cradle of civilization. Genesis 6:4 and the Book of Enoch (note that the Bible is the one of the oldest records of human history encompassing thousands of years) records that certain angels descended from their heavenly estate to intermingle and influence the course of human history.

But also note that these religions also used superstition and ignorance to maintain their influence over humanity. Your average person spent most of their waking hours working just to store up enough food to survive and provide for their families.

With the advent of technology, empiricism and "education" a void existed in the realm of religions, the void that was formerly occupied by superstitious beliefs in gods that existed in a higher realm or plane that influenced humanity. That void, in a technologically advanced civilization is logically filled by the idea of benevolent aliens that influenced or perhaps even created humans, seeding this planet for their own purposes. So again we are back to the idea of angelic or superior beings that descended from their higher estate to intermingle and influence the course of humans.

Personally, I do believe in a creator God, and Almighty God that loves us and wants us to know the truth. However I also see the course of human religion and cannot deny the influence of angelic beings, to me this whole movement is just another aspect of those very same fallen angelic beings.
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" if you deny me in front of your brethren, i will deny you in front of all my children,"

Your comments make it perfectly clear as to where you stand so why deny your faith when someone disagrees? Hmmmmmmm
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What faith do you think I'm denying? Why are you so convinced you know things about me when you're just guessing? The point of this thread is about how what these people are teaching may lead people into danger. These are possibilities. Possibilities that are being discussed and suggested so that people might think more carefully about things.

Do you think it makes you seem good by attacking me and jumping to conclusions about me or my motivations or beliefs when I'm mainly asking questions and pointing things out that are of interest as well as possibilities?
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Come on, Freedomstands. Post your long dissertation on why all atheists and agnostics should become Muslims because OMG WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?!?!
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I second that and third it and so on..
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I second that and third it and so on..

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Hahaha I'm with you man I'm finished here. Another kid talking in circles, trying to discredit that in which they can't grasp.
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If anyone follows any doctrine from any Religion blindly that person is a fool.. Humans compose doctrines not God. Self spiritual discovery is the only reliable journey to take ...the only journey you can trust...but even then.. the truth will elude you.. but will fascinate you with clues along the way...to your final destination..



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That void, in a technologically advanced civilization is logically filled by the idea of benevolent aliens that influenced or perhaps even created humans, seeding this planet for their own purposes. So again we are back to the idea of angelic or superior beings that descended from their higher estate to intermingle and influence the course of humans.

Personally, I do believe in a creator God, and Almighty God that loves us and wants us to know the truth. However I also see the course of human religion and cannot deny the influence of angelic beings, to me this whole movement is just another aspect of those very same fallen angelic beings.
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I think your analysis is a good one. I don't believe these are "angels" though, and I don't believe any entity that claims to know something can be trusted based on that claim alone. Because how can anyone or anything know anything for certain? They can't know they know for sure, but can only at most believe their claims. But that doesn't mean that beliefs represent reality. We are left with possibilities. The possibilities become important especially when dangerous risks are being suggested to people, even if they are suggested in a pleasant facade.

For example, if someone says, walk into this fire, don't worry its good, I know it is. Does that mean they are telling the truth or that it is actually good for a person? Is it possible they are lying in order to mislead people into harm? So why take the leap of faith, I wouldn't, and I think people should be careful about such things.
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If anyone follows any doctrine from any Religion blindly that person is a fool.. Humans compose doctrines not God. Self spiritual discovery is the only reliable journey to take ...the only journey you can trust...but even then.. the truth will elude you.. but will fascinate you with clues along the way...to your final destination..



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I think people should notice how they make claims that they believe are true, when they don't even know for sure if they are. I feel you've done that as well in your above statements. Again, you are presenting beliefs, perhaps your beliefs, but none of us can know if any of that is definitely true at all.
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Hahaha I'm with you man I'm finished here. Another kid talking in circles, trying to discredit that in which they can't grasp.
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Why do you feel you know what I can and can't grasp? Why do you have to be insulting towards me?
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Christians, Muslims, and Jews are definitely deceived.

So really, I see absolutely no difference... except that I don't see a worldwide history of username Nobody In Particular slaughtering and/or torturing millions upon millions of other people for the crime of not believing him.

So comparatively... he's pretty harmless.... these other religions aren't even slightly harmless.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


How do you know who is or isn't deceived?

Can't you see how you might be as fanatic in your assertions of truth as anyone else?

Or do you think you know better than everyone and can't possibly be totally wrong about everything?

Maybe you should look into the policies and projects that Nobody in Particular is hoping will come to pass. They may very well lead to terrible torture of billions of people and I've discussed extensively in my other thread.

I don't think they are harmless, because they claim to want to shut down all media presentations and only present their version of the truth to convince people to board ships where they very well may lose their lives. It is one of the most dangerous possibilities presented.
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ITS NOT THE RELIGION THATS STUPID...ITS THIS THREAD
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Why do you think that? People actually believe in this stuff and are working to bring it upon people.
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Come on, Freedomstands. Post your long dissertation on why all atheists and agnostics should become Muslims because OMG WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?!?!
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I think people might be able to find that dissertation easily enough. Do you believe its possible to believe in many things? I believe in numerous possibilities. But why does working to try to discredit me seem to be your objective rather than focusing on the beliefs being discussed in this thread? Do you believe hell is good, as suggested by Nobody in Particular?
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That void, in a technologically advanced civilization is logically filled by the idea of benevolent aliens that influenced or perhaps even created humans, seeding this planet for their own purposes. So again we are back to the idea of angelic or superior beings that descended from their higher estate to intermingle and influence the course of humans.

Personally, I do believe in a creator God, and Almighty God that loves us and wants us to know the truth. However I also see the course of human religion and cannot deny the influence of angelic beings, to me this whole movement is just another aspect of those very same fallen angelic beings.


I think your analysis is a good one. I don't believe these are "angels" though, and I don't believe any entity that claims to know something can be trusted based on that claim alone. Because how can anyone or anything know anything for certain? They can't know they know for sure, but can only at most believe their claims. But that doesn't mean that beliefs represent reality. We are left with possibilities. The possibilities become important especially when dangerous risks are being suggested to people, even if they are suggested in a pleasant facade.

For example, if someone says, walk into this fire, don't worry its good, I know it is. Does that mean they are telling the truth or that it is actually good for a person? Is it possible they are lying in order to mislead people into harm? So why take the leap of faith, I wouldn't, and I think people should be careful about such things.
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I believe the underlying influence does come from the fallen angels, note I say fallen, they left their former estate to enable their direct interaction with humanity. What could possibly make them desire leaving a higher plane of existence to enter into and influence our physical plane of existence other than pride.

Perhaps they really thought that through influencing humanities beliefs they could somehow override God's ordinances of reality. Who knows, but I don't think their intent is benevolent, and I don't think that man's influence in this reality is limited only to science, they just want us to believe that science is god and that they can impute to us greater understanding of the physical universe.

There is a reason why the Psalmist says:

Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High."
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His names isnt "god" though.
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Just notice how you might be as bad as any Christian you dislike. People who really think they are sure they know something operate similarly and make similar accusations. You may or may not know anything at all, and it might be important to realize that as well rather than falling into any kind of fanatacism in your own ideas about truth.

I'll also try to pay attention to myself to make sure I don't fall into that and continue to present possibilities and choose less risky seeming options.

I think it might be helpful if you focus deeply on yourself and your behavior and your ideas about what you think you know and how that may be what leads people to behave like what you call "Christians" or what I might call "fanatics".
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I believe the underlying influence does come from the fallen angels, note I say fallen, they left their former estate to enable their direct interaction with humanity. What could possibly make them desire leaving a higher plane of existence to enter into and influence our physical plane of existence other than pride.

Perhaps they really thought that through influencing humanities beliefs they could somehow override God's ordinances of reality. Who knows, but I don't think their intent is benevolent, and I don't think that man's influence in this reality is limited only to science, they just want us to believe that science is god and that they can impute to us greater understanding of the physical universe.

There is a reason why the Psalmist says:

Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High."
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I think that the message of Satanism has always been that you are a God or can attain to be Gods. The word used in that Psalm seems to mean judges or sovereigns.

I don't believe the entities being dealt with were ever "angels" or "messengers" which is what the word angels means, nor do I think they were actually the same race of entities that might be what people think of as angels.

I believe that besides human beings, there is the non human race of plasma beings that are difficult to see but have existed alongside the human race throughout history. Their only advantage may be that they are difficult to see and so have been able to potentially mislead people in various ways throughout history.

It only becomes an issue when they suggest that people take actions that might be dangerous or harmful towards themselves.

I believe only a supremacist malevolent faction would ask people to enter fires for example or claim they themselves are "higher". Clearly those are supremacist hierarchal attitudes that may remind one of Caste systems in ancient India for example.
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But I like your ideas and I'm so glad you're examining what these entities might be and how they might not be trustworthy.
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Op, what the hell is going on man. What are you trying to say.
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nothing to say
"Do not judge others, because with the measure that you judge them, you shall be judged also."
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I think that the message of Satanism has always been that you are a God or can attain to be Gods. The word used in that Psalm seems to mean judges or sovereigns.


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To me what is in question is how we define God, in a fallen sinful state tied currently to this physical realm (flesh) we truly have no concept of what or who God is other than His Word.

But to debate your former point regarding the psalm, one must first consider and then answer the following scripture:


Matt 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36 for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Rom 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Rom 8:19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.

Rom 9:26 "AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."

Gal 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
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rolleyes
they're all the same, xtian, islam, jewish.
violent and so absolutely sure they are right and if you don't believe as them, they wish hateful things on you.
now that is sick and twisted.
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Yep, you got that right!! These sick deranged religions teach people SELF-HATRED!! Now, how's that for a "Loving" god??
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How do you know who is or isn't deceived?

Can't you see how you might be as fanatic in your assertions of truth as anyone else?

Or do you think you know better than everyone and can't possibly be totally wrong about everything?

Maybe you should look into the policies and projects that Nobody in Particular is hoping will come to pass. They may very well lead to terrible torture of billions of people and I've discussed extensively in my other thread.

I don't think they are harmless, because they claim to want to shut down all media presentations and only present their version of the truth to convince people to board ships where they very well may lose their lives. It is one of the most dangerous possibilities presented.
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So wait, let me get this straight. These are aliens who are so powerful that they'll be torturing and butchering millions of people... but only if the people go on board willingly??

So we should take HIS teachings based on them being the most dangerous possibility presented, but we should take yours based upon... what? Oh yes... WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG. That's it.

I think people might be able to find that dissertation easily enough. Do you believe its possible to believe in many things? I believe in numerous possibilities. But why does working to try to discredit me seem to be your objective rather than focusing on the beliefs being discussed in this thread? Do you believe hell is good, as suggested by Nobody in Particular?
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Hell doesn't exist.

You may believe in many possibilities, but you certainly push one of them above all the others--one of the most evil ones, at that.

As far as "discredit" you?? Do your own words discredit you?

You are basically making nothing more or less than a CALL OUT THREAD, which is against the rules, on Nobody_in_Particular... why are you trying to discredit him? Do you think that you can do it to others but you are above it yourself?

If your own words discredit you, perhaps you shouldn't speak them. And if you don't like it done to you, why are you doing it to someone else as if it's no big deal?
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