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A libertarian isnt a fascist the moment he lets go the delusion that corporations represent free enterprise. And they must be consistent and totally reject militarist expenditures and designs. Even if it means being a pacifist in times of war.

It must be tough trying to be a non fascist libertarian...
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A Libertarian no more condones unlimited corporate power than he does unlimited Government power. I also think the military/industrial complex is overgrown and dangerous to Liberty, but I reject pacifism. Armed neutrality is best.

Again, you are confusing Republican (fascist) with Libertarian.
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Ayn Rands best works are Fiction...

You need to read some Murry Rothbard, Friedrich Hayek, Samuel Edward Konkin III and Ludwig von Mises.

Those are the best Libertarian Authors.
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I agree re. fiction, The Fountainhead is my favorite. I have read Human Action, and some Rothbard (The case for a 100 percent Gold Dollar). As I said, I just got sick of the greed and racism that seems to be attracted to the Libertarian movement, and perceived inconsistencies in their logic. I'm cured.
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5 hail mary's and we're square
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Done.
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If you look at the political dealings of the Christian right -- supporting the Republicans in particular but more a broad religious revolution, throughout the world -- then who is more of a threat to the charge of influencing your viewpoint? And is that a bad thing? hearing the views of the religious psycho or the commie subversive? I dont think so....
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I would no more tolerate a theocracy than a dictatorship. I will not, however, deny the role that Christian virtues played in the minds of the Founding Fathers.
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A libertarian isnt a fascist the moment he lets go the delusion that corporations represent free enterprise. And they must be consistent and totally reject militarist expenditures and designs. Even if it means being a pacifist in times of war.

It must be tough trying to be a non fascist libertarian...


Murray Rothbard was called a Commie during the Cold war because of his non-interventionist policies.

Fascists on the Right thought he was a traitor because he didn't want to have nuclear war with Russia.


Yes it is hard being the only sane reasonable people around.
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Unfortunately I have not seen the base advocate these two vital principals -- the silence is deafening. Without a solid understanding of Imperialism and Corporatism, the stunted libertarian is no more than a dupe. And most are exactly that. I have also noticed that Libertarians have an authoritarian tendency and put too much faith in one or two spokesmen, without really understanding what it is they supposedly believe. With little or no ability to critically think through their beliefs, they are little more than the sheep of a demagogue.
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Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...
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If you look at the political dealings of the Christian right -- supporting the Republicans in particular but more a broad religious revolution, throughout the world -- then who is more of a threat to the charge of influencing your viewpoint? And is that a bad thing? hearing the views of the religious psycho or the commie subversive? I dont think so....


I would no more tolerate a theocracy than a dictatorship. I will not, however, deny the role that Christian virtues played in the minds of the Founding Fathers.
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Probably many of the best human virtues exhibited in times of revolution are praised by Christians and Communists alike. What's your point?
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Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...
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Says the commie.
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Well OP you've done it now.

Shills all over your ass.

LOL.
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Oke. That's why i left a question-mark. You posts are kinda confusing to me. You apology towards Anti-Communists leaves me thinking you have been defending communism, which is extreme left. I also saw an apology to CrazyJarhead who is an extreme right-winger which left me thinking that you maybe now agree with him after a heated debate.

But again, that's why i left a question-mark. Confusing posts.

So where do you stand again?


CrazyJarhead isn't an extreme right winger. That is the key point. I haven't been defending communism (although I have my own ideas about what Marx really meant), I have been defending the Obama administration though. I am not apologizing to CrazyJarhead as a person (I don't know him), I am apologizing for striking at his anti-communism, I fell into the trap of mistaking his views as extreme right. The fact is, the Libertarians are centrist, and there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats, fascism is just socialism with corporate sponsorship.

The American way is self-sufficiency with a generous heart, charity, not welfare.

I still think America needs to move to a solar/electric economy, oil security is killing us, I still believe in tolerance and debate. I do not believe we should tolerate the destruction of our country though, and the socialist/fascist axis is out to destroy us all. I am not changing all my views, I am simply absorbing a reality check.
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The problem with solar/electric thing is that it requires a lot of rare minerals and China has most of it locked up all over the world. We have a good source of it but we really haven't done much because of high cost to get it started thanks to many red tapes. I'd prefer helium based nuclear power plant if we have a way to get some of these from the moon...

Have you heard about algae fuel? Apparently Air Force wants all of military planes to be using 100% of algae fuel within 10 years. Not much difference than refining oil for fuel and apparently very cost effective. Growing food to produce less efficient fuel than gasoline is turning out to be a colossal mistake.
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The problem with solar/electric thing is that it requires a lot of rare minerals and China has most of it locked up all over the world. We have a good source of it but we really haven't done much because of high cost to get it started thanks to many red tapes. I'd prefer helium based nuclear power plant if we have a way to get some of these from the moon...

Have you heard about algae fuel? Apparently Air Force wants all of military planes to be using 100% of algae fuel within 10 years. Not much difference than refining oil for fuel and apparently very cost effective. Growing food to produce less efficient fuel than gasoline is turning out to be a colossal mistake.
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Agreed, not one solution to the problem. It is still a problem that must be solved though.
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Probably many of the best human virtues exhibited in times of revolution are praised by Christians and Communists alike. What's your point?
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If you actually read the whole thread from the beginning, you will understand my point. Clue, this isn't about praising virtue, it's about your actions being guided by virtues.
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Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...
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No. This list shows what a Conservative thought would happen (written in 1958), and it has. The goals weren't necessarily to further communism, they were to destroy American culture, so that communism could be imposed without resistance.
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Well OP you've done it now.

Shills all over your ass.

LOL.
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I like to fight, what can I say?
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A libertarian isnt a fascist the moment he lets go the delusion that corporations represent free enterprise. And they must be consistent and totally reject militarist expenditures and designs. Even if it means being a pacifist in times of war.

It must be tough trying to be a non fascist libertarian...


A Libertarian no more condones unlimited corporate power than he does unlimited Government power. I also think the military/industrial complex is overgrown and dangerous to Liberty, but I reject pacifism. Armed neutrality is best.

Again, you are confusing Republican (fascist) with Libertarian.
 Quoting: Ex-AFOSI


Pacifists arent so stupid as to resist fighting if there be an invasion. But US pacifists should understand their special brand of Imperialism and the big and fat tax payer fed militarist GOVT that expands outward on behalf of elites. If you are libertarian than you have to CLEARLY take a stand against your MILITARIST society. No excuses, or parsing the issue. We are not talking self defense, or just reducing a defense budget -- it is systematic and as a so called libertarian you need to say unequivocally, much as Ron Paul does, that corporate and military designs for domestic and international power must be challenged and stopped.
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Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...


No. This list shows what a Conservative thought would happen (written in 1958), and it has. The goals weren't necessarily to further communism, they were to destroy American culture, so that communism could be imposed without resistance.
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The list describes every pet peeve of right wingers. Of course this is a favorite bar room baiting trick: If you say you support anything on the list, then you must be a commie, because the list says so. Doh!
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Probably many of the best human virtues exhibited in times of revolution are praised by Christians and Communists alike. What's your point?


If you actually read the whole thread from the beginning, you will understand my point. Clue, this isn't about praising virtue, it's about your actions being guided by virtues.
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So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?
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Pacifists arent so stupid as to resist fighting if there be an invasion. But US pacifists should understand their special brand of Imperialism and the big and fat tax payer fed militarist GOVT that expands outward on behalf of elites. If you are libertarian than you have to CLEARLY take a stand against your MILITARIST society. No excuses, or parsing the issue. We are not talking self defense, or just reducing a defense budget -- it is systematic and as a so called libertarian you need to say unequivocally, much as Ron Paul does, that corporate and military designs for domestic and international power must be challenged and stopped.
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You are arguing with a newly minted Ron Paul supporter.
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The list describes every pet peeve of right wingers. Of course this is a favorite bar room baiting trick: If you say you support anything on the list, then you must be a commie, because the list says so. Doh!
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It was written in 1958. I don't think you understand the significance of that fact. I would agree with you if it had been written in 1997. Again, it is not a list of what constitutes a communist. It is a plan of action for destroying American culture, and it has been carried out to the letter.
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So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?
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Not communist virtues. Charity is a Christian virtue (and a key virtue in other faiths), welfare is a communist goal. The difference is that one is voluntary, actually relying on the good in humanity, the other is forced, relying on violence for implementation.
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Pacifists arent so stupid as to resist fighting if there be an invasion. But US pacifists should understand their special brand of Imperialism and the big and fat tax payer fed militarist GOVT that expands outward on behalf of elites. If you are libertarian than you have to CLEARLY take a stand against your MILITARIST society. No excuses, or parsing the issue. We are not talking self defense, or just reducing a defense budget -- it is systematic and as a so called libertarian you need to say unequivocally, much as Ron Paul does, that corporate and military designs for domestic and international power must be challenged and stopped.


You are arguing with a newly minted Ron Paul supporter.
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Or Cynthia McKinney. Same message...
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So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?


Not communist virtues. Charity is a Christian virtue (and a key virtue in other faiths), welfare is a communist goal. The difference is that one is voluntary, actually relying on the good in humanity, the other is forced, relying on violence for implementation.
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You make no sense. Welfare is not a Communist goal. Full employment is...
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You make no sense. Welfare is not a Communist goal. Full employment is...
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Full employment by the State. Welfare is an intermediate step.
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You make no sense. Welfare is not a Communist goal. Full employment is...


Full employment by the State. Welfare is an intermediate step.
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Well, I guess after the proletariat revolution the State is designated to employ everyone. Until than, even in a capitalistic society full employment in all industries is the goal of a commie --- not welfare. It is logical: it is the working class that are truly revolutionary,,,, not the parasites...
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Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...


No. This list shows what a Conservative thought would happen (written in 1958), and it has. The goals weren't necessarily to further communism, they were to destroy American culture, so that communism could be imposed without resistance.
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Right, your culture of decency got corrupted because of communism. It has nothing to with capitalism? Capitalism that sets a price on anything, that sells and advertises anything, advertisements that always tell half truths.
Moral decline is in the US because of capitalism having no soul and making everything just have its price. And you all treating capitalism as a way to be governed instead of just as an economic system.
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Does this mean you won't call me a traitor anymore if I strongly disagree with the current administration's policies and actions?

I have concluded the only way to remain sane is to step outside the right/left, fascist/communist/capitalist/socialist/democrat/republican dialectic divide and conquer mentality and figure out what I believe in and advocate strongly for that.

I appreciate and admire that you can change your paradigm and worldview when new knowledge exposes inconsistencies in your previous beliefs.
Not many have been able to do this in a lifetime of living with conflicted beliefs.

Johntarz: Ex-AF enlisted aircraft equip mech

And I wont call you an anonymous alphabet agency lurker anymore cool2

BTW nice post.

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So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?


Not communist virtues. Charity is a Christian virtue (and a key virtue in other faiths), welfare is a communist goal. The difference is that one is voluntary, actually relying on the good in humanity, the other is forced, relying on violence for implementation.
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You really need some education, basic political and ideological definitions seem to have problems to get into your understanding.
Saying that Charity is a Christian virtue (thus 2000 years old) is plain childish.
At the same time, praising Charity and going against the welfare state could only be a proof of schizophrenia or hypocrisy, both mental conditions necessary for the flourishing of far right mind sets like your own.
Sorry but someone had to tell it to you how it is.
Grown up man, it is about time.
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You really need some education, basic political and ideological definitions seem to have problems to get into your understanding.
Saying that Charity is a Christian virtue (thus 2000 years old) is plain childish.
At the same time, praising Charity and going against the welfare state could only be a proof of schizophrenia or hypocrisy, both mental conditions necessary for the flourishing of far right mind sets like your own.
Sorry but someone had to tell it to you how it is.
Grown up man, it is about time.
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Why don't you go through and actually read the thread. That way, the idiocy in your post will be apparent, assuming of course, that you have rudimentary english comprehension skills and the ability to discern logic. I clearly didn't say that charity was an exclusively Christian virtue, or that it was only 2000 years old. I also explained that the difference between charity and welfare was that one was voluntary (not physically coerced) and the other was involuntary (physically coerced). I don't expect you to grasp the difference, as you are obviously mentally incompetent. I bolded it for you so it might stand out in the dim light of your rectum.
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Does this mean you won't call me a traitor anymore if I strongly disagree with the current administration's policies and actions?

I have concluded the only way to remain sane is to step outside the right/left, fascist/communist/capitalist/socialist/democrat/republican dialectic divide and conquer mentality and figure out what I believe in and advocate strongly for that.

I appreciate and admire that you can change your paradigm and worldview when new knowledge exposes inconsistencies in your previous beliefs.
Not many have been able to do this in a lifetime of living with conflicted beliefs.

Johntarz: Ex-AF enlisted aircraft equip mech

And I wont call you an anonymous alphabet agency lurker anymore cool2

BTW nice post.


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Thanks, and no, I won't call you a traitor anymore!

It is difficult to change a fundamental viewpoint, but if I know only one thing, it is that I know far less than I think I do.
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You really need some education, basic political and ideological definitions seem to have problems to get into your understanding.
Saying that Charity is a Christian virtue (thus 2000 years old) is plain childish.
At the same time, praising Charity and going against the welfare state could only be a proof of schizophrenia or hypocrisy, both mental conditions necessary for the flourishing of far right mind sets like your own.
Sorry but someone had to tell it to you how it is.
Grown up man, it is about time.


Why don't you go through and actually read the thread. That way, the idiocy in your post will be apparent, assuming of course, that you have rudimentary english comprehension skills and the ability to discern logic. I clearly didn't say that charity was an exclusively Christian virtue, or that it was only 2000 years old. I also explained that the difference between charity and welfare was that one was voluntary (not physically coerced) and the other was involuntary (physically coerced). I don't expect you to grasp the difference, as you are obviously mentally incompetent. I bolded it for you so it might stand out in the dim light of your rectum.
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Only a person lacking human charity (thus a sociopath like yourself) would feel forced to be part of general welfare.
Since charity is a human way of interaction, adding "christian" to it only shows how deeply biased is your limite vision of reality.
You better talk this over with your fascist friends, so they can get a laugh when you leave the room.
You know, we must keep traditions alive.

As for language comprehension, this thread clearly proves that you can not make your thoughts clear even to yourself, for you obviously have been raised in such praise of ignorance that you are far beyond recovery.
I feel sorry for you, maybe if you were born in a healthier environment your brain wouldn´t be so breaded.

I see shedding light on my anus would make your day, but well, rednecks like you usually have a few chicken or some daughters fur such hobbies, so I´ll accept that as part of your folklore.

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