TO ALL ANTI-COMMUNISTS I MAY HAVE OFFENDED.

A libertarian isnt a fascist the moment he lets go the delusion that corporations represent free enterprise. And they must be consistent and totally reject militarist expenditures and designs. Even if it means being a pacifist in times of war.

It must be tough trying to be a non fascist libertarian...

Ayn Rands best works are Fiction...

You need to read some Murry Rothbard, Friedrich Hayek, Samuel Edward Konkin III and Ludwig von Mises.

Those are the best Libertarian Authors.

5 hail mary's and we're square

If you look at the political dealings of the Christian right -- supporting the Republicans in particular but more a broad religious revolution, throughout the world -- then who is more of a threat to the charge of influencing your viewpoint? And is that a bad thing? hearing the views of the religious psycho or the commie subversive? I dont think so....

A libertarian isnt a fascist the moment he lets go the delusion that corporations represent free enterprise. And they must be consistent and totally reject militarist expenditures and designs. Even if it means being a pacifist in times of war.

It must be tough trying to be a non fascist libertarian...


Murray Rothbard was called a Commie during the Cold war because of his non-interventionist policies.

Fascists on the Right thought he was a traitor because he didn't want to have nuclear war with Russia.


Yes it is hard being the only sane reasonable people around.

If you look at the political dealings of the Christian right -- supporting the Republicans in particular but more a broad religious revolution, throughout the world -- then who is more of a threat to the charge of influencing your viewpoint? And is that a bad thing? hearing the views of the religious psycho or the commie subversive? I dont think so....


I would no more tolerate a theocracy than a dictatorship. I will not, however, deny the role that Christian virtues played in the minds of the Founding Fathers.

Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...

Oke. That's why i left a question-mark. You posts are kinda confusing to me. You apology towards Anti-Communists leaves me thinking you have been defending communism, which is extreme left. I also saw an apology to CrazyJarhead who is an extreme right-winger which left me thinking that you maybe now agree with him after a heated debate.

But again, that's why i left a question-mark. Confusing posts.

So where do you stand again?


CrazyJarhead isn't an extreme right winger. That is the key point. I haven't been defending communism (although I have my own ideas about what Marx really meant), I have been defending the Obama administration though. I am not apologizing to CrazyJarhead as a person (I don't know him), I am apologizing for striking at his anti-communism, I fell into the trap of mistaking his views as extreme right. The fact is, the Libertarians are centrist, and there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats, fascism is just socialism with corporate sponsorship.

The American way is self-sufficiency with a generous heart, charity, not welfare.

I still think America needs to move to a solar/electric economy, oil security is killing us, I still believe in tolerance and debate. I do not believe we should tolerate the destruction of our country though, and the socialist/fascist axis is out to destroy us all. I am not changing all my views, I am simply absorbing a reality check.

The problem with solar/electric thing is that it requires a lot of rare minerals and China has most of it locked up all over the world. We have a good source of it but we really haven't done much because of high cost to get it started thanks to many red tapes. I'd prefer helium based nuclear power plant if we have a way to get some of these from the moon...

Have you heard about algae fuel? Apparently Air Force wants all of military planes to be using 100% of algae fuel within 10 years. Not much difference than refining oil for fuel and apparently very cost effective. Growing food to produce less efficient fuel than gasoline is turning out to be a colossal mistake.

Probably many of the best human virtues exhibited in times of revolution are praised by Christians and Communists alike. What's your point?

Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...

Well OP you've done it now.

Shills all over your ass.

LOL.

A libertarian isnt a fascist the moment he lets go the delusion that corporations represent free enterprise. And they must be consistent and totally reject militarist expenditures and designs. Even if it means being a pacifist in times of war.

It must be tough trying to be a non fascist libertarian...


A Libertarian no more condones unlimited corporate power than he does unlimited Government power. I also think the military/industrial complex is overgrown and dangerous to Liberty, but I reject pacifism. Armed neutrality is best.

Again, you are confusing Republican (fascist) with Libertarian.

Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...


No. This list shows what a Conservative thought would happen (written in 1958), and it has. The goals weren't necessarily to further communism, they were to destroy American culture, so that communism could be imposed without resistance.

Probably many of the best human virtues exhibited in times of revolution are praised by Christians and Communists alike. What's your point?


If you actually read the whole thread from the beginning, you will understand my point. Clue, this isn't about praising virtue, it's about your actions being guided by virtues.

Pacifists arent so stupid as to resist fighting if there be an invasion. But US pacifists should understand their special brand of Imperialism and the big and fat tax payer fed militarist GOVT that expands outward on behalf of elites. If you are libertarian than you have to CLEARLY take a stand against your MILITARIST society. No excuses, or parsing the issue. We are not talking self defense, or just reducing a defense budget -- it is systematic and as a so called libertarian you need to say unequivocally, much as Ron Paul does, that corporate and military designs for domestic and international power must be challenged and stopped.

The list describes every pet peeve of right wingers. Of course this is a favorite bar room baiting trick: If you say you support anything on the list, then you must be a commie, because the list says so. Doh!

So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?

Pacifists arent so stupid as to resist fighting if there be an invasion. But US pacifists should understand their special brand of Imperialism and the big and fat tax payer fed militarist GOVT that expands outward on behalf of elites. If you are libertarian than you have to CLEARLY take a stand against your MILITARIST society. No excuses, or parsing the issue. We are not talking self defense, or just reducing a defense budget -- it is systematic and as a so called libertarian you need to say unequivocally, much as Ron Paul does, that corporate and military designs for domestic and international power must be challenged and stopped.


You are arguing with a newly minted Ron Paul supporter.

So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?


Not communist virtues. Charity is a Christian virtue (and a key virtue in other faiths), welfare is a communist goal. The difference is that one is voluntary, actually relying on the good in humanity, the other is forced, relying on violence for implementation.

You make no sense. Welfare is not a Communist goal. Full employment is...

You make no sense. Welfare is not a Communist goal. Full employment is...


Full employment by the State. Welfare is an intermediate step.

Do people take this serious? This list is not the goals of communism, the whole list has nothing to do with communism.

The list shows what some conservatives think will happen, not the goals of communist Americans or communist Chinese.

Ridiculous list...the same list probably exist about jews.
Why would communist have an opinion about gays. That is a conservative thing...


No. This list shows what a Conservative thought would happen (written in 1958), and it has. The goals weren't necessarily to further communism, they were to destroy American culture, so that communism could be imposed without resistance.

So the founding father were guided by Christian and Communist virtues.

So what's your point?


Not communist virtues. Charity is a Christian virtue (and a key virtue in other faiths), welfare is a communist goal. The difference is that one is voluntary, actually relying on the good in humanity, the other is forced, relying on violence for implementation.

You really need some education, basic political and ideological definitions seem to have problems to get into your understanding.
Saying that Charity is a Christian virtue (thus 2000 years old) is plain childish.
At the same time, praising Charity and going against the welfare state could only be a proof of schizophrenia or hypocrisy, both mental conditions necessary for the flourishing of far right mind sets like your own.
Sorry but someone had to tell it to you how it is.
Grown up man, it is about time.

Does this mean you won't call me a traitor anymore if I strongly disagree with the current administration's policies and actions?

I have concluded the only way to remain sane is to step outside the right/left, fascist/communist/capitalist/socialist/democrat/republican dialectic divide and conquer mentality and figure out what I believe in and advocate strongly for that.

I appreciate and admire that you can change your paradigm and worldview when new knowledge exposes inconsistencies in your previous beliefs.
Not many have been able to do this in a lifetime of living with conflicted beliefs.

Johntarz: Ex-AF enlisted aircraft equip mech

And I wont call you an anonymous alphabet agency lurker anymore

BTW nice post.

You really need some education, basic political and ideological definitions seem to have problems to get into your understanding.
Saying that Charity is a Christian virtue (thus 2000 years old) is plain childish.
At the same time, praising Charity and going against the welfare state could only be a proof of schizophrenia or hypocrisy, both mental conditions necessary for the flourishing of far right mind sets like your own.
Sorry but someone had to tell it to you how it is.
Grown up man, it is about time.


Why don't you go through and actually read the thread. That way, the idiocy in your post will be apparent, assuming of course, that you have rudimentary english comprehension skills and the ability to discern logic. I clearly didn't say that charity was an exclusively Christian virtue, or that it was only 2000 years old. I also explained that the difference between charity and welfare was that one was voluntary (not physically coerced) and the other was involuntary (physically coerced). I don't expect you to grasp the difference, as you are obviously mentally incompetent. I bolded it for you so it might stand out in the dim light of your rectum.