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My belief, or opinion, or whatever, is that it is something like Mother Nature. Even though it may seem Mother Nature can be random, we can find causes to the effects produced. Now, go all the way up with that concept, and all the way down. It is infinitely complex, with Self Organizing Criticalilty Points (See my Y-Bias thread).

SOC points are when something suddenly changes and there is no way to predict 'when' that change will manifest. Think of a bell curve (probabilities). An example given is this: Start piling snow on a ledge, one snowflake at a time. It is impossible to predict the exact snowflake added that will cause the avalanche. Only increased probability of it occurring.

(damn I went out on a tangent, lol, sry. But, let's go with it)

OK, now, start with the fundamental shape: sphere. Sphere is created through 2 forces (charge and field). Throw angular momentum (movement, the 'Word' of God, ie: vibration/frequency) into them and they react to eachother forming a spherical 'spiral' form. If it didn't form that spherical spiral form, it would collapse back into the aether (dormant field of potential awaiting movement to give it 'form') unable to hold a stable form.

Now, increase the complexity by having 4 spheres. It creates a stable form: plutonic solids...tetrahedron.

Increase complexity to the next stable form: 8 spheres, two tetrahedrons...a cube.

So, we have patterns that are built through complexity. And, like a snowflake on a ledge, they are added and added upon, with SOC points somewhere in the mix, that occur and create brand new shapes, everything unique thanks to SOC points.

Now, broaden that concept all the way out into the material (physical) and you get a 'structured' universe, with the guiding force of 'mystery'...ie, the SOC points.

On top of all this, there is a center point in each base fundamental shape...in each sphere. That center point is called a 'node'. It is the singularity point where the Word of God - its harmony - springs forth from the non-material. This is the 'invisible' gateway to where non-material can influence the material.

Now, just from this brief description, imagine the complexity and imagination and intelligence it would take to orchestrate all of that into a functioning eternal universe.

Intelligent Design...God. BTW, this is not using the Intelligent Design term that comes with all the baggage.
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So SOC points are basically "potential energy" Not random events but scheduled based on natural laws? Isness?
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It would be more akin to...shit, I've got to find the proper words to let you 'see' what's in my head...its an influence that causes a cause to have an effect...fuck...hold on...

In quantum physics the 'observer' somehow infleunces the probability that a specific result will manifest. The influence of the observer is the first cause that creates that specific result, but it is 'nonlocalized', meaning that the influence doesn't itake place in the physical, material world.

SOC is that influence...Intelligent Design

In other words, "mind over matter"... :)

We're creating (causing) our own doom to try to clean-up the house (planet)...even though some are a lot more "intelligent" than others... :)

(Neo)
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Neo, yes. You can imagine the complexity of trying to do that influence 'logically'. Matrix comes to mind. Don't 'think you can...know you can'. To run it through thought processes takes to long...instead, integrate yourself with it. I know, easier said than done.

It makes perfect sense. This is the reason the MSM doesn't cover these kind of Anomalies like they should. Just imagine how much faster we would bring about our own destruction.
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Well and obviously, the mass media wants to keep the slavery system (common reality, society) "as is" and running for as long a possible in a stable manner in order to maintain their old cash cows... :)

So they will desperately try to "pretend" that everything that is going on is "normal"... :)
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I think it should be understood this way..the 'power' thingy...

We have to be ready for it. There are too many things that are 'untrue' that we humans take as reality, when they are not. We have to KNOW what universal truths are...imagine the chaos we could create if we had the ability to influence the 'universe' with the wrong reality constructs.

we have to rid ourselves of the false paradigms, or we will be left without those powers...

Actually, and to be very precise, each one (1) of us is a uni-verse within a multi-verse of possibilities... :)

So yes, we are most definitely directly affecting our own universes (and the universes of others!) by our own actions and reactions...and some a lot more than others depending on our own "immune" systems... :)

In other words, it (the cosmos) is not just a universe but rather a multiverse...

Also, the 1st and most important step to get rid of the false paradigms is to stop "lying" to one self and others... :)

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I agree - history shows that in general mankind doesn't handle power very well. (I kinda did pause on using that word as it doesn't truly describe what i was getting at - but close)

If TPTB are aware of such a construct - then it seems that they are doing what you say SS - using it for destruction instead of good.

I hope with the coming changes comes a renewed sense of clarity for mankind. Each and every one of us is responsible. We are free to choose which pill to take and i hope that choice becomes clearer to all. :-)
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If TPTB are aware of such a construct - then it seems that they are doing what you say SS - using it for destruction instead of good.

I hope with the coming changes comes a renewed sense of clarity for mankind. Each and every one of us is responsible. We are free to choose which pill to take and i hope that choice becomes clearer to all. :-)
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Careful, I did not say that.
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Elqisqeyano, you asked about false paradigms. This is a deep subject, and is difficult to tell properly without much misinterpretation. I will try and put together something for you. It is going to stretch your mind though. You are going to have to step past human thought patterns...and for many, that is too difficult to do at this time.

I know this sounds cryptic, but you will understand this better after I put something together for you to think about...give me some time...
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It is interesting how the Platonic Solids relate to their corresponding densities as well:

1. Sphere [no edges]
2. Central Icosahedron (1 / phi2)
3. Octahedron (1 / sq. rt. 2)
4. Star Tetrahedron (sq. rt. 2)
5. Cube (1)
6. Dodecahedron (1 / phi)
7. Icosahedron (phi)
8. Sphere [no edges]

Intelligent design....there is no doubt about it and its complexities are wild.
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It is interesting how the Platonic Solids relate to their corresponding densities as well:

1. Sphere [no edges]
2. Central Icosahedron (1 / phi2)
3. Octahedron (1 / sq. rt. 2)
4. Star Tetrahedron (sq. rt. 2)
5. Cube (1)
6. Dodecahedron (1 / phi)
7. Icosahedron (phi)
8. Sphere [no edges]

Intelligent design....there is no doubt about it and its complexities are wild.
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It is awesome to begin 'seeing' these concepts/constructs, and to not view it as a purposeful design is CRAZY! lol

My understanding, is that when we come upon what I call "Universal Truths', they can be structured in other constructs, and they fit quite eloquently.

As an example, look at what I said about charge and field above. These two forces is why we have polarities and dualities in the material existence. Then, you have angular movement, the 'Word of God', harmonies, the dance...Trinity.

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If TPTB are aware of such a construct - then it seems that they are doing what you say SS - using it for destruction instead of good.

I hope with the coming changes comes a renewed sense of clarity for mankind. Each and every one of us is responsible. We are free to choose which pill to take and i hope that choice becomes clearer to all. :-)


Careful, I did not say that.
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You're right SS- you didn't state that, my wording sux today..

I was really asking a question - could the knowledge of this construct be used negatively?
It's all energy - whether 'good' or 'bad' right?
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Elqisqeyano, you asked about false paradigms. This is a deep subject, and is difficult to tell properly without much misinterpretation. I will try and put together something for you. It is going to stretch your mind though. You are going to have to step past human thought patterns...and for many, that is too difficult to do at this time.

I know this sounds cryptic, but you will understand this better after I put something together for you to think about...give me some time...
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Elqisqeyano, sorry, but this is going to be a long reply. As I said, to release false paradigms is a very difficult concept to fully realize. There are many human thought patterns that are based in non-reality, but we react to them as if they are reality. It is difficult to explain, because we live and exist inside those 'false' realities. They are REAL to us...just like when the universe revolved around the Earth, is was a false reality, but extremely difficult to think otherwise.


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So, here is your answer:

...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...

You see, many times we react to things that are only in our minds, and not in the actual, physical experience.

I see an excellent example of this when you hear of a jealous spouse, whose loved one is not cheated on them, or doing anything wrong...but the jealous person reacts as if, in truth, their spouse IS cheating on them...the person has made that event a reality, but only in their own mind, and they react as if that is the Truth...

Now, take this concept and put it to use on bigger scales...

What I'm finding in exploring dreams and conscious observation is that fantasy is quite a problem, possibly I would go so far as to call it a drug in many people's lives. Here's why I say this. AC says ...fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell.... I say the living in hell part is the fantasy that is imagined, and not necessarily real. It is a perceived condition through your individual situation. The experiencer is stating they are living in hell because of what they perceive as someone else's fantasy as controller. It seems that the experiencer allows the conditions and gives over the power of control, thus allowing the other to fulfill their fantasy, if indeed it is their fantasy at all. Let's take another example you mentioned, SS, as a jealous husband. Let's say a husband sees his wife talking with another man at a party. They disappear for a while and then he sees them fondly embrace and perhaps kiss. What he's thinking is linked together with imaginary glue, and depending on past events in his life and his security level, that glue could be anything. The experiencer observes a situation and fantasizes a scenario to fit the pictures. By the same token, the wife and man have theirs. Fantasy makes us unpredictable to each other, let alone other species. Just thoughts. Want to discuss?
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Now, what if an intelligent species wanted to make contact (just bear with me)...the intelligent species lives by universal truths, which makes lies and 'fantasy' non-existent to their reality...What are the humans reacting to? It would be like giant blank spots that humans react to, for no reason at all, and the humans react to these blank spots as if the blank spots were real! when nothing about the blank spots are...
how could that other intelligent species interact with us...we would be completely unpredictable...we are reacting to things that DO NOT EXIST...

The thought shapes...the thought patterns that we base our actions in reality on...are of the wrong shapes...they are out of coherence to the rest of the universe...we have created our own solitude...

They are FULLY aware and conscious of both aspects...if they weren't, then they would not have become the convergent species for physical directives regarding humankind along those same directives...hmmm...I am just running on train of thought...you are manifesting the translation of soul for humankind's nonmaterial/material aspects for conscious interaction in the physical realm...I want to practice your process...lol...tell me the process! one that will immediately work...heh, heh - SickScent

i dunno...i don`t think about it cos i can not imagine not knowing...that`s why we are doing it as we are...i have to find within humankind knowledge the ingredients to get me to see how it works through human eyes...i am not human minded.....i am how human minds will be....that is the problem....

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...they are the best equipped to deal with human emotion...all human emotional translating is incoherent...if you had never met humans before but were yourself at a level of awareness within our universe where you had the ability to come and observe them...the effect of human radiated emotion would begin where human imagination of hell ends.......it is indescribable shocking to a non human because each and every emotion carries the right shapes/pulses for it to exist but because there has never been within the imagination of humans the correct awareness of the cause and effects of all things..all of their emotions are contaminated with their fantasy....which to an intelligence of non human origin type we are discussing...is worse than hell because they can never fathom a creature that naturaly exists and radiates the right shapes yet the information contained within those shapes is filled with horror.........they know why we exist but they can never fathom our actions because they do not relate to our fantasies......that was the problem we are here to resolve......



human emotions brings out the worst in non humans.....everything started within the material universe...ie: it has a history of how it becomes what it is....human emotions automatically force others to react back to their own history, one way or another....because humans radiate the corrects shapes (pulses) which attract other intelligent life forms .which is natural , the attracted can do nothing about it.......but the information contained within the pulsed attraction pulses is directly opposite. in infinite ways .to the singular natural attractive pulse radiated. this is due to the infinite fantasies within human imagination

one simple attract pulse always radiating cos no fuck knows their doing...infinite ways it fucks up


everything manifested within the material universe is here cos it should be... an electron...tree...moon...tooth and claw...mantis......everything is structured so it`s first pulsed and continues signal is "want me"...this is how all manifestations join the pulsed material universe...and all other material, upon detecting that, new to them,...first and continuous pulsed signal send confirmation of them wanting (accepting) the new signal automatically (naturally) , it is part of their structure, this is how the universe maintains coherence......the greater the intelligence that is pulsing the more complex (stronger) the signal......so a human is high intelligence..in our golden age they knew so each first pulse from each new arrival maintained the universes coherence and that is why animals..insects ect didn`t bite them....

within human fantasies are many realities...this has the effect of frequently attracting an intelligence that is responding to that or those realities...without exception at some point...the human moves into it`s fantasy which the reality is part of within their mind...this has devastating effects upon the interacting party whom can never know what or why the human does or is doing what it is because fantasy does not exist within it`s own imagination.....reality of infinite real potential is all that exists within their minds ....which in practise makes human fantasy...whatever is was or is.....insignificant within positive emotions as well as being non existent in practice...

Ok, this is very interesting because I just got something out of it in a flash...the mere presence of the attraction pulse emenating from human thought patterns, and distorted into fantasies that become reality in minds because we have never been presented with the True workings of the universe...the fantasies of which are embedded inside the attraction pulses of human kind, CAUSE THE ETs TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THE HUMANS ARE EXPERIENCING. They are learning about the human condition DIRECTLY THROUGH THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE OF CONTACT WITH US.

if they were to attempt a true understanding of the human condition, they themselves would have to create imagination pulses of a fantastical nature in order to find out what we're about...since our fantasy/realities our outside natural universe coherence (information directly from the universe fields..remember information=energy)...they would have to fantasize a reality as well, like an imagination guessing game, inside their own overall mind structure/function...

What would this do? Fucking EXACTLY WHAT IT DID TO US...THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR WAY! The fantasies become a feedback loop since they are being expressed as a reality...since it is being expressed as a reality, in the intelligent species experiencing it, the fantasy IS the makeup of reality. Reminds me of how karma would initially be created...how we can get stuck in the loop of reincarnations.

So, the offworlders would fucking keep a distance. TALK ABOUT A DANGEROUS FUCKING SPECIES WE MUST BE!
- SickScent

As viewed from the outside, we are acting 'incoherent' to the rest of the universe...

Beautiful. The key is acting. Stilling ourselves to the place of being--without the glamour, fuss and fanfare of thought(99.9% preconceived)--presents these non human entities the opportunity to connect, to see into our being as we, in our stillness, see into them. That is put simply, I know. The empty cup versus the full cup analogy fits here.

Now to imagining and fantasy. Distinction here is good. Fantasy is fraught with preconceived ideas and images, not those created (on the stop) necessarily by yourself but by prior experience. The scenarios fashioning these fantasies are embedded with emotions of every level; built never solely from the immediate situation but from all your past experience. They can not be clean because you are piecing it together with what is available with what you already have.

Imagination has the capacity to create from a blank slate(so to speak)and cast its tendrils into the unknown. Therefore, when we encounter intelligent species, that connection will rely on the blank slates of both species to weave a comprehensive dialogue. The common universal truths will be the direct hits of awareness, that bolt that resets our clocks. And I'm not talking about time.

With me so far?
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With fantasy, we have a situation where we take something we presume or know as enjoyable and build a scenario. Many science fiction and fantasy writers get bogged down in their story lines because it is risky to venture beyond certain emotionally manipulating terrain. Imagination does not require us to use these familiar tools but builds on the creative impulses and unique insights of the individual. It does seem a dryer climate at times, and often without functional reward.

That is the place to start. Open the imagination, stark and unfathomably immense. Unknowable and all knowing. We are just now peering into the eyes of God.(or aliens, etc)

No legends, no Bible story, no movie clip or cartoon...No thing. A place, a space of Being available for potential. The Energy that sparked in the loins, cartwheeled through your bowels and into your stomach, clenching your heart and catching in your throat, spiraling up and out the top of your head. You are ready to be filled again.
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i can see the way in...

No legends, no Bible story, no movie clip or cartoon...No thing. A place, a space of Being available for potential
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i can see the result....

The Energy that sparked in the loins, cartwheeled through your bowels and into your stomach, clenching your heart and catching in your throat, spiraling up and out the top of your head. You are ready to be filled again.

i can the reasons for the suggestion

i agree with those reasons and your suggested enactment

i do not yet see how to arrive at the "way in"

awhereness, the visuals contained within your thoughts are wonderful
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Can we agree that we have been born into a world of billions of homo-sapiens with a multiplicity of competing and mutually exclusive belief systems, each claiming to be the way, or the truth? Can we agree that not one of these ideologies, religions, denominations, organizations, groups or individuals is in a majority, but that every one of these is in a minority? Can we agree the inescapable logic is that at least a majority of these are significantly flawed, and a direct implication of what we see is that almost all, and possibly ALL, are wrong or false to some degree? In this context can we agree that we should be primarily challenging our belief system rather than defending it"
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To me it makes more sense in the Buddhist context than the Christian. I came prepared to ridicule, but find nothing funny here.

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If TPTB are aware of such a construct - then it seems that they are doing what you say SS - using it for destruction instead of good.

I hope with the coming changes comes a renewed sense of clarity for mankind. Each and every one of us is responsible. We are free to choose which pill to take and i hope that choice becomes clearer to all. :-)


Careful, I did not say that.


You're right SS- you didn't state that, my wording sux today..

I was really asking a question - could the knowledge of this construct be used negatively?
It's all energy - whether 'good' or 'bad' right?
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Thats a tough question because negativity, good, bad, etc. are all perceptions.

But, yes, I think they could be 'used' as you say, and may have been used that way for a LONG time. My understanding is that things will be flipped on their head. You are talking about the pyramid structure of the way human civilization (especially now global) is structured.

The pyramid has bottlenecked. In order for 'things' to advance further, it requires thought outside what 'got' them to the top of the pyramid...

You see, it is very complex, it is not cut and dry as so many believe. It is a highly complex 'knot'. There is thought out there that the knot is about to be untied. If that happens, the pyramid is dissolved. Some at the top latch onto that structure with everything in their soul, and some at the top want to see it finally go.

My understanding, is that it is finally going, because it was built on a false foundation...I may be wrong though...
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To me it makes more sense in the Buddhist context than the Christian. I came prepared to ridicule, but find nothing funny here.

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lol

I guess thats good...
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Flip the coin SS.

And peer into the dark unknown that is the other side.

Quantum teaches us that not only is everything possible but that everything is probable given infinite time.

Is it really intelligent design, or have we been here an infinite amount of times under different 'rules'?

But it's one of those questions where there isn't enough data to see the answer.

Yes you could say the universe is a product of intelligent design, or you could say it and everything in it is a product of a complex game of chance.

And we can move into chaos theory where we can see something small have huge effects.

To cloud your mind a little, and it will be short with no real detail, A man moved a single rock, two years later his town was over run by mosquitos.

And when looking back on that if it provided something good or indeed something bad, or anything that changed then it must have an intelligence behind it.

Now to de-fog your mind, The solar radiance increases, causes chemicals to defrost on one of jupiters moons, the chemicals react and explode and juipters moon is shunted into the orbital path of a different one of jupiters moons, 10 years later they collide, most of it falls down into jupiters atmosphere, but some bits are flung out, a bit hits earth, hits the antartic ice cap, is carrying dangerous chemicals, 50,000 years later the ice melts, the chemicals are released, and on and on and on, in the end it causes venus to support human life (but don't want to continue the story of chaos much more, I think you're declouded now).

I don't dismiss intelligent design because of the to us impossible calculations involved to make something like that work.

But that doesn't prove it either.

We can't know either way simply because we don't have the data (original point).

But yes put an observer into the mix and what will they see, Whatever their brain tells them that they are seeing, and they have an influence on what they are observing by simply observing it - because nothing exists is there is nothing to observe it.

And so in closing I ask, why should we think about it when we cannot in our lifetimes know the answer to it?

Or is this just an exercise in the opening of one's mind?

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OTOC, you still in your funk? Crawling slowly out of mine...

I'll respond to yours in a while. Just getting out of the office.
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OTOC, you still in your funk? Crawling slowly out of mine...

I'll respond to yours in a while. Just getting out of the office.
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Funk?
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OTOC, you still in your funk? Crawling slowly out of mine...

I'll respond to yours in a while. Just getting out of the office.


Funk?
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cruise

Sry, um, bad times...bad moods...bad mojo...in a funk.
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OTOC, you still in your funk? Crawling slowly out of mine...

I'll respond to yours in a while. Just getting out of the office.


Funk?

cruise
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I've got several different perceptions on the question you're asking there, I need a replacement word for "funk".

Ah and you edited.

Hell no am I out of that, been ill for a month, got a massive headache and am very irritable right now. lol :)

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Lol. I guess its just an american thing.

Anyway, this was just for discussion... it started on another thread, so instead of hijacking,...
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Nice post!
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Well, I've experienced some of that flip side...IDK...the cynical or pessimistic side of me....expperiencing some of it makes me want to tell it to fuck off. Just tired of it....personally tired of it.
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My belief, or opinion, or whatever, is that it is something like Mother Nature. Even though it may seem Mother Nature can be random, we can find causes to the effects produced. Now, go all the way up with that concept, and all the way down. It is infinitely complex, with Self Organizing Criticalilty Points (See my Y-Bias thread).

SOC points are when something suddenly changes and there is no way to predict 'when' that change will manifest. Think of a bell curve (probabilities). An example given is this: Start piling snow on a ledge, one snowflake at a time. It is impossible to predict the exact snowflake added that will cause the avalanche. Only increased probability of it occurring.

(damn I went out on a tangent, lol, sry. But, let's go with it)

OK, now, start with the fundamental shape: sphere. Sphere is created through 2 forces (charge and field). Throw angular momentum (movement, the 'Word' of God, ie: vibration/frequency) into them and they react to eachother forming a spherical 'spiral' form. If it didn't form that spherical spiral form, it would collapse back into the aether (dormant field of potential awaiting movement to give it 'form') unable to hold a stable form.

Now, increase the complexity by having 4 spheres. It creates a stable form: plutonic solids...tetrahedron.

Increase complexity to the next stable form: 8 spheres, two tetrahedrons...a cube.

So, we have patterns that are built through complexity. And, like a snowflake on a ledge, they are added and added upon, with SOC points somewhere in the mix, that occur and create brand new shapes, everything unique thanks to SOC points.

Now, broaden that concept all the way out into the material (physical) and you get a 'structured' universe, with the guiding force of 'mystery'...ie, the SOC points.

On top of all this, there is a center point in each base fundamental shape...in each sphere. That center point is called a 'node'. It is the singularity point where the Word of God - its harmony - springs forth from the non-material. This is the 'invisible' gateway to where non-material can influence the material.

Now, just from this brief description, imagine the complexity and imagination and intelligence it would take to orchestrate all of that into a functioning eternal universe.

Intelligent Design...God.
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It's incredible how far people will go just to deny God's existence. Fool.
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Sweden, lmao.

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I was really asking a question - could the knowledge of this construct be used negatively?
It's all energy - whether 'good' or 'bad' right?
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Of course
it could, but negative energy is not stable since the core (nucleus) is ONLY positive and neutral.

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Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Flip the coin SS.

And peer into the dark unknown that is the other side.

Quantum teaches us that not only is everything possible but that everything is probable given infinite time.

Is it really intelligent design, or have we been here an infinite amount of times under different 'rules'?
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Poor "puppy", so young and inexperienced... :)

..and still desperately trying to project its lack of knowledge to all others... wink

But it's one of those questions where there isn't enough data to see the answer.

Yes you could say the universe is a product of intelligent design, or you could say it and everything in it is a product of a complex game of chance.

And we can move into chaos theory where we can see something small have huge effects.

To cloud your mind a little, and it will be short with no real detail, A man moved a single rock, two years later his town was over run by mosquitos.

And when looking back on that if it provided something good or indeed something bad, or anything that changed then it must have an intelligence behind it.

Now to de-fog your mind, The solar radiance increases, causes chemicals to defrost on one of jupiters moons, the chemicals react and explode and juipters moon is shunted into the orbital path of a different one of jupiters moons, 10 years later they collide, most of it falls down into jupiters atmosphere, but some bits are flung out, a bit hits earth, hits the antartic ice cap, is carrying dangerous chemicals, 50,000 years later the ice melts, the chemicals are released, and on and on and on, in the end it causes venus to support human life (but don't want to continue the story of chaos much more, I think you're declouded now).

I don't dismiss intelligent design because of the to us impossible calculations involved to make something like that work.

But that doesn't prove it either.

We can't know either way simply because we don't have the data (original point).

But yes put an observer into the mix and what will they see, Whatever their brain tells them that they are seeing, and they have an influence on what they are observing by simply observing it - because nothing exists is there is nothing to observe it.

And so in closing I ask, why should we think about it when we cannot in our lifetimes know the answer to it?

Or is this just an exercise in the opening of one's mind?
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Look, the "idea" is not to cloud the mind but rather to clear the mind....

..and just because you don't have the data or access to the data does not mean that "others" also do not have it!!!

In other words, just because you're mentally blocked and/or blind and/or deaf does not mean that all others are also!!!

..and btw, nothing is zero (0).

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OTOC, you still in your funk? Crawling slowly out of mine...

I'll respond to yours in a while. Just getting out of the office.


Funk?

cruise

I've got several different perceptions on the question you're asking there, I need a replacement word for "funk".

Ah and you edited.

Hell no am I out of that, been ill for a month, got a massive headache and am very irritable right now. lol :)
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Well, I am truly not very surprised at all that you got massive headaches with such a "clouded" mind...Poor puppy... :(

Maybe a better word for you is "delusions" instead of "funk" since you seem to be blocked and cannot see the real truth!?

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BTW in terms of "intelligence" at its rawest level: it is the adjustment of one's subsequent action based on the reaction obtained (received) from a prior action... :)

Without that one is simply stuck repeating the same old, same old vicious cycle (or infinite loop)...so to speak! wink
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There's many various examples of intelligent design beyond what OP speaks of. Google "fine tuning of the universe", for example.

Another is the design of the "flagellar motor", which is a microscopic rotating motor within some bacteria.

DNA is discovered to be a quadrinary info system, same as the internet is a binary info system, which implies a creator of DNA. The complexity of DNA springing from primordial ooze is highly unlikely.

Google "intelligent design" for any more examples.
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DNA is discovered to be a quadrinary info system, same as the internet is a binary info system, which implies a creator of DNA. The complexity of DNA springing from primordial ooze is highly unlikely.
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Of course. DNA is firmware and mind is a program (software)...and both firmware and software are designed (programmed).
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I agree with the infinite trials guy.
We see things fail to bring in new things. The design is changing constantly before our eyes, I don't see Gods hand or a paint brush making new perfect designs.
If all comes from a base design, why isn't all like that design and not constantly changing?
There is no supreme design that cannot be improved on. If God has made a design, the Universe is improving it, making God not the best designer in the universe anymore.

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