Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,867 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 2,037,248
Pageviews Today: 2,737,965Threads Today: 688Posts Today: 13,981
10:20 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?

 
SickDaveMondo
Offer Upgrade

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 08:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I have a model 1894 30-30 Winchester. I'm going winter camping this weekend and bringing it along. The thing is, it is 101 years old and hasn't been fired in 25+ years. It was stored well, and has no pitting or tarnishing. The bore is smooth and clean, and the action works like crap through a goose. There are no cracks or damage anywhere, the metal is sound. I bought some ammo for it and cycled a round out at the range last 2 weeks ago. It advanced fine from the tube mag and in to the action(lever down), but when I pushed the lever up it almost seemed like the bullet was a little too long. It got stuck on a slight angle, but with a slight jiggle it went all the way in. I was just wondering if there are different types of 30-30 ammo, and maybe the stuff I bought was chambered wrong? Or if you buy ammo for a 30-30, is it universal? I asked at the hunting store for ammo for a 30-30 Winchester lever action and that is what they gave me. It also extracted properly too, I just didn't want to chance a mishap. Any advice would be appreciated as I have never shot this gun before and I REALLY want to try it out. Just concerned as it is quite old.

SDM
malu

User ID: 1046738
United States
01/20/2011 08:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
man, the powder they use today is a lot hotter than way back then, i would talk to a certified gunsmith, or call the company that made your ammo.

if lester or et are around they would be of help
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 08:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I have a model 1894 30-30 Winchester. I'm going winter camping this weekend and bringing it along. The thing is, it is 101 years old and hasn't been fired in 25+ years. It was stored well, and has no pitting or tarnishing. The bore is smooth and clean, and the action works like crap through a goose. There are no cracks or damage anywhere, the metal is sound. I bought some ammo for it and cycled a round out at the range last 2 weeks ago. It advanced fine from the tube mag and in to the action(lever down), but when I pushed the lever up it almost seemed like the bullet was a little too long. It got stuck on a slight angle, but with a slight jiggle it went all the way in. I was just wondering if there are different types of 30-30 ammo, and maybe the stuff I bought was chambered wrong? Or if you buy ammo for a 30-30, is it universal? I asked at the hunting store for ammo for a 30-30 Winchester lever action and that is what they gave me. It also extracted properly too, I just didn't want to chance a mishap. Any advice would be appreciated as I have never shot this gun before and I REALLY want to try it out. Just concerned as it is quite old.

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

The 30 30 cartridge is tapered if you look closely, and it is designed to take some force to seat in the chamber. Thats what the lever is for.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 08:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
man, the powder they use today is a lot hotter than way back then, i would talk to a certified gunsmith, or call the company that made your ammo.

if lester or et are around they would be of help
 Quoting: malu

Not true, all model 94's will handle modern ammunistion
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1223558
United States
01/20/2011 08:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I think the safest and best advice is to have it inspected by a gunsmith. You only get one face.
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:00 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll just strap the fucker down to a big log with some come-alongs and fire it from a distance with a string.

SDM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
The 94 was chambered in more than one caliber, are you sure it's a 30 30?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll just strap the fucker down to a big log with some come-alongs and fire it from a distance with a string.

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

lmao. You sound like my father, he did that with a black powder rifle he made himself.
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
The 94 was chambered in more than one caliber, are you sure it's a 30 30?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237144

Yes, 100%. It does fit in the chamber perfectly, and the extractor grabs the round and flings it out fine. It just seems a little stiff getting the round chambered.

SDM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I think the safest and best advice is to have it inspected by a gunsmith. You only get one face.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1223558

Where is you sense of adventure?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
The 94 was chambered in more than one caliber, are you sure it's a 30 30?

Yes, 100%. It does fit in the chamber perfectly, and the extractor grabs the round and flings it out fine. It just seems a little stiff getting the round chambered.

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

Thats no problem and it is the way it is supposed to be.
FatalWishes

User ID: 626707
United States
01/20/2011 09:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
A 30-30 has a really low CUPS (Copper units of pressure) like 25,000 -35,000 which is really low for a rifle. That is the good news. You probably won't blow yourself up if the bore is clear and the chamber is sound.



The .30 30 was also the first sporting cartridge designed to use smokeless powder so it's pretty much what is use today. That's also good news.


The closest thing to a 30 30 is a .32 winchester and there is no mistaking the two.

30 30 ammo is 30 30 ammo and its universal. Get some Remington Core Lokt 150 grn. Remington has really soft brass and may cycle better.
They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:06 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
The 94 was chambered in more than one caliber, are you sure it's a 30 30?

Yes, 100%. It does fit in the chamber perfectly, and the extractor grabs the round and flings it out fine. It just seems a little stiff getting the round chambered.

SDM

Thats no problem and it is the way it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237144

BTW, OP, I have a 94 thats the same age as yours approximately and i have shot a few boxes of cartridges through it. I'll wager it says 'designed especially for smokeless powder' on the barrel by the rear sight. Youre rifle is safe to shoot
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:06 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I think the safest and best advice is to have it inspected by a gunsmith. You only get one face.

Where is you sense of adventure?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237144

That`s right. The boys and I will figure a way to fire it safely (well, in our opinion anyway). I just don`t want to ruin the thing, it was my great grandpa`s. I just need to know if there was ever any variant on the 30-30 round, or if you get a round for a 30-30 lever thats it thats all?

SDM
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:07 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll wager it says 'designed especially for smokeless powder' on the barrel by the rear sight. Youre rifle is safe to shoot
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237144


I'll go check....


SDM
malu

User ID: 1046738
United States
01/20/2011 09:07 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll just strap the fucker down to a big log with some come-alongs and fire it from a distance with a string.

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo


i was thinking the same thing. i would error on the side of caution
i had a double barrel shotgun from the same year, had i fired modern ammo through it, it would have been very ugly.

maybe you could feed a neighbor some beers and have them shoot it?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692708
United States
01/20/2011 09:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
30-30 is a low pressure round, if there is no visible cracks or serious rust, there should be no problem.

Great little gun for camping and hikes.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I think the safest and best advice is to have it inspected by a gunsmith. You only get one face.

Where is you sense of adventure?

That`s right. The boys and I will figure a way to fire it safely (well, in our opinion anyway). I just don`t want to ruin the thing, it was my great grandpa`s. I just need to know if there was ever any variant on the 30-30 round, or if you get a round for a 30-30 lever thats it thats all?

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

If you try to fire it remotely dont put the stock against anything solid to resist the recoil or it will ruin your rifle.
If I were there I would just shoot it for you a few times.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1098860
United States
01/20/2011 09:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
op u good it,s probable in pretty good shape thats why it,s tight I killed 2 deer with one just like it this year .Best 30/30 ever made shoot the thing boy ..
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll wager it says 'designed especially for smokeless powder' on the barrel by the rear sight. Youre rifle is safe to shoot
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

It certainly does say that. Right above that it says "Nickel Steel barrel" and to the right of that it says 30 WCF.


SDM
FatalWishes

User ID: 626707
United States
01/20/2011 09:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll wager it says 'designed especially for smokeless powder' on the barrel by the rear sight. Youre rifle is safe to shoot

It certainly does say that. Right above that it says "Nickel Steel barrel" and to the right of that it says 30 WCF.


SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo


You are good to go. .30 WCF for "Winchester Center Fire"

For some reason the .30 30 name stuck but its the same round.
They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll just strap the fucker down to a big log with some come-alongs and fire it from a distance with a string.

SDM


i was thinking the same thing. i would error on the side of caution
i had a double barrel shotgun from the same year, had i fired modern ammo through it, it would have been very ugly.

maybe you could feed a neighbor some beers and have them shoot it?
 Quoting: malu

damascus barrel, eh?
LMAO!
Stay away from me when you do shoot it
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
op u good it,s probable in pretty good shape thats why it,s tight I killed 2 deer with one just like it this year .Best 30/30 ever made shoot the thing boy ..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1098860

Right, and whatever you do dont ruin it by firing it clamped in a vice or something
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll wager it says 'designed especially for smokeless powder' on the barrel by the rear sight. Youre rifle is safe to shoot

It certainly does say that. Right above that it says "Nickel Steel barrel" and to the right of that it says 30 WCF.


SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

Does yours have a long magazine (as long as the barrel) or is it the short magazine with the half octagonal/ half rounded barrel? If it is the later it is rare.
malu

User ID: 1046738
United States
01/20/2011 09:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I'll just strap the fucker down to a big log with some come-alongs and fire it from a distance with a string.

SDM


i was thinking the same thing. i would error on the side of caution
i had a double barrel shotgun from the same year, had i fired modern ammo through it, it would have been very ugly.

maybe you could feed a neighbor some beers and have them shoot it?

damascus barrel, eh?
LMAO!
Stay away from me when you do shoot it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1237144


yep

looks nice up on the wall
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 343019
United States
01/20/2011 09:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
Winchester ammo?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1088754
United States
01/20/2011 09:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
The loading of the 30-30 cartridge hasn't changed. It was the first cartridge designed for modern smokeless powder. The 30-30 is a 45,000 PSI cartridge and it has always been loaded to approximately the same specifications as the originals.

The 94 was one of the stronger actions. In fact, back in the day when the 30-30 was brought out, many of the hobby shooters complained because the 30-30 was only designed to handle smokeless powder and a lot of the hobby shooters like making their own powder and bullets. As such, the 30-30 wasn't well suited for them so winchester brought out the 32 Winchester Special, a .321 diameter, deep grooved bore, gun to shoot black powder and cast bullets.

I own 4 30-30s: 2 Marlin 336s, 1 Marlin 30a and a Winchester 94 (of early 2000s vintage). I also own a Winchester 94 in 32 Winchester Special.

As long as the gun doesn't look worn out or stressed you'd be good to go. As far as worrying about the ammunition, its the same.

Kudos to the guy, above, that said, "You only get one face..."

Very true. If in doubt, have a competent gun aficionado or gunsmith look at it.

(BTW, I highly recommend the 170gr Flat Nose Winchester Silvertip ammo. Accurate and powerful.)

(...well, not as accurate as the ammo *I* make, but good enough.)

Good luck! BTW, when you get back, you want to sell it?

I had to ask.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1134726
United States
01/20/2011 09:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
man, the powder they use today is a lot hotter than way back then, i would talk to a certified gunsmith, or call the company that made your ammo.

if lester or et are around they would be of help
 Quoting: malu


Yeah, what this poster said and the cartridge dimensions might be off for the sounds of function test. After all, you are firing an antique.
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
I think we're good to go. Just being careful. We're having a good shooting session this weekend. Lots of nice hardware...

Stock SKS
SKS w/ATI stock, harris bipod
30-30 winchester 1894
Remington VTR 700 .308
Mossberg SPX 500 Tactical/Red Dot
Remington 870 Express
Ruger 10/22
Assorted deer hunting rifles

Lots of skeets, a couple throwers a bonfire and a 12 bunk hunt camp on 250 acres 45 mins outside town. It's gonna be -29...

SDM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1237144
United States
01/20/2011 09:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
yep

looks nice up on the wall
 Quoting: malu

Good place for it. It is unimaginable to me why the manufacturers didn't change the cartridges when they switched over from black powder, it was a plot to prove darwins theory
SickDaveMondo (OP)

User ID: 512195
Canada
01/20/2011 09:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Anyone know a lot about Model 1894 30-30 Winchesters?
Good luck! BTW, when you get back, you want to sell it?

I had to ask.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1088754

How much is it worth lol? Never thought about it.

SDM

News