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AMERICANS: DO YOU THINK YOUR STATE SHOULD SECEDE?

 
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AMERICANS: DO YOU THINK YOUR STATE SHOULD SECEDE?
It's been a subject for discussion for some time, especially since the economic meltdown in 2008.

Even the MSM are beginning to discuss the issue, as the US seems increasingly divided along political, religious, social and economic lines:

'Will America Break Up?' Washington Times:

[link to www.washingtontimes.com]

'Imagine Breaking Up the United States' Wall Street Journal:

[link to online.wsj.com]

'Will the US Break UP?' Washington's Blog:

[link to georgewashington2.blogspot.com]


If you would like to see your State secede, do you think:

a) It should've seceded years ago.

b) It should secede now.

c) It should secede when further reasons to do so develops.

If you are NOT in favour of secession, how do you feel about others considering this as an option?

Please don't misunderstand and think that this post is meant to be in any way adversarial. I am just curious about what fellow GLPers' thoughts are on the subject.
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I think Detroit should
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I'm 72 yr old and on SS. Almost all of my savings are gone...so I'm dependent on SS...so no, I don't wish my State to secede.
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Good point. Detroit is totally broke. I don't think, given their circumstances, they'll want to go... but I never really considered FORCED SECESSION...Hmmm...

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I'm 72 yr old and on SS. Almost all of my savings are gone...so I'm dependent on SS...so no, I don't wish my State to secede.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1238108


OK... I can see your point. But what if the feds let you down and pulled the plug on SS?
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IMO alot of states can't stand on their own feet without a bit of federal help, seceding prolly wouldn't be in the best interest of a lot of states.

Even the ones with military bases have to remember the military will remove all assets such as Soldiers(those willing of course), vehicles, and what not. the land and base may be returned to the state but it would be up to the state to fill it.

I am not a big fan of a large federal presence in any state, but i agree that some measure should be taken so that a large presence and control should be removed and allow a state to do what IT feels is in it's best interest for it's people.
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IMO alot of states can't stand on their own feet without a bit of federal help, seceding prolly wouldn't be in the best interest of a lot of states.

Even the ones with military bases have to remember the military will remove all assets such as Soldiers(those willing of course), vehicles, and what not. the land and base may be returned to the state but it would be up to the state to fill it.

I am not a big fan of a large federal presence in any state, but i agree that some measure should be taken so that a large presence and control should be removed and allow a state to do what IT feels is in it's best interest for it's people.
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Individual States had far more power in the past. Do you think the federal Government will restore some of those powers in the future?
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<snip>

Individual States had far more power in the past. Do you think the federal Government will restore some of those powers in the future?
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I hardly think any secession by any state would go amicably. so no, I don't think they would be restored without a fight(diplomatic and or otherwise).
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You can't get 20% of the people to vote, they won't secede.
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<snip>

Individual States had far more power in the past. Do you think the federal Government will restore some of those powers in the future?



I hardly think any secession by any state would go amicably. so no, I don't think they would be restored without a fight(diplomatic and or otherwise).
 Quoting: Mysterysoul


So what do you think of States such as Montana, Arizona, Texas... many others... 'opting out' of Federal control over issues such as guns, and 'Obamacare'.... ? Is this a preliminary to secession? Or something else?
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<snip>

Individual States had far more power in the past. Do you think the federal Government will restore some of those powers in the future?



I hardly think any secession by any state would go amicably. so no, I don't think they would be restored without a fight(diplomatic and or otherwise).


So what do you think of States such as Montana, Arizona, Texas... many others... 'opting out' of Federal control over issues such as guns, and 'Obamacare'.... ? Is this a preliminary to secession? Or something else?
 Quoting: Intentionally Blank



I applaud those states actually. I don't feel(mind you what I have been offering is just personal opinion) it's a prelim to secession, but it's certainly a way for those states to put their foot down and say "enough is enough". a somewhat good example of what other states should do.
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming--WOO HOO what a ride!"
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I think Detroit should
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Detroit should be sold to the Canadians!
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I think New Jersey should secede. They already think they're too cool to identify with the rest of the country.
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<snip>

Individual States had far more power in the past. Do you think the federal Government will restore some of those powers in the future?



I hardly think any secession by any state would go amicably. so no, I don't think they would be restored without a fight(diplomatic and or otherwise).


So what do you think of States such as Montana, Arizona, Texas... many others... 'opting out' of Federal control over issues such as guns, and 'Obamacare'.... ? Is this a preliminary to secession? Or something else?



I applaud those states actually. I don't feel(mind you what I have been offering is just personal opinion) it's a prelim to secession, but it's certainly a way for those states to put their foot down and say "enough is enough". a somewhat good example of what other states should do.
 Quoting: Mysterysoul


My impression is that there are a lot of people that feel the way you do... or is this just media hype?
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If the feds continue to ignore the constitution then yes, most definitely, or at least refuse to abide by their despotic regulations.
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I think Detroit should

Detroit should be sold to the Canadians!
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For what? Beer and used hockey pucks?
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I had no idea 72 year olds even knew this website existed.
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I think Detroit should

Detroit should be sold to the Canadians!
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One Canadian toonie is all the African penisula is worth. SHITHOLE!!
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Tennessee should secede...

All States have the right to secede..

We could reform once everyone decided to obey the Constitution and practice real free market capitalism and disband the Plunge Protection Team, Abolish the Federal Reserve, and bring all of our troops home from around the world.
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@ OP Hard to say with any degree of accuracy, a lot of people are not happy in the states as a whole at the moment. so could be a combination of both.
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming--WOO HOO what a ride!"
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Texas votes, YES!
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Anyone reading this from Texas or Montana? What do you think?
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Only if we (Louisiana) seceded with and became part of the Texas republic.
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I had no idea 72 year olds even knew this website existed.
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My mom posts here. She 94.

I'm 8.
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Only if we (Louisiana) seceded with and became part of the Texas republic.
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There have always been strong ties between Texas and Louisiana, although Texas has always had far, far more money and power.
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If states did start to secede, I am sure a lot of southern states would band together like before the civil war.
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[link to statesstand.ning.com] 40 states already are taking the steps. 13 States did in 1861, and are still under Military Occupation. remember a Civil war is 2 parties fighting for control of One Nation, the south voted ,left, had it's own flag,had it's own money, had it's own elected Government. this could get real ugly, real fast.
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If states did start to secede, I am sure a lot of southern states would band together like before the civil war.
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But maybe not just Southern... what about Montana, Arizona, Utah, Idaho...?
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If you read the Constitution most of the power of legislation was supposed to rest with the states. The fed was supposed to provide for the common defense, regulate trade between states and broker treaties. The 10th amendment ensured that ability. Somewhere in the 1900's, state's rights got overturned and people became dependent on the fed for everything.
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Re: AMERICANS: DO YOU THINK YOUR STATE SHOULD SECEDE?
If you read the Constitution most of the power of legislation was supposed to rest with the states. The fed was supposed to provide for the common defense, regulate trade between states and broker treaties. The 10th amendment ensured that ability. Somewhere in the 1900's, state's rights got overturned and people became dependent on the fed for everything.
 Quoting: Brutalsun


Do you think the people could/should force a reversal of that trend?
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I'm 72 yr old and on SS. Almost all of my savings are gone...so I'm dependent on SS...so no, I don't wish my State to secede.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1238108



You would have to go on your states welfare program if your state secceeded.

I am SURE that people in your stage of life would be provided for by any state that chose to go out on its own.

There would be some changes in paperwork, but SS is running on empty right now anyway.

On the odd chance that things went rough for you for a while, you would have to rely on a family member for assistance. Tough on the pride, but as you know, that is how things used to be in your grandparents day.

Hang in there... :-)

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