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RE: Homosexuals can Change? - thoughts from the inside

 
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You know, there's a lot of people who can't handle the idea that people can change.

I've been in the gay world for more than 12 years and the thing that gays and lesbians CAN'T STAND is the thought that their homosexuality JUST MIGHT be a choice.... and they can't stand it when someone rejects the culture and the idea that maybe there is another way that they could live.

I have seen many, many shots drank in honor of "fuck that bitch, going straight", etc. over the years.

I've seen women who have been with other women for years decide to go out with a man and be completely blacklisted in the community.

I've seen people practically excommunicated - including myself - for having libertarian or conservative political beliefs.

Faith is a topic you can't even talk about. Well actually you can as long as it's something liberal - Unitarianism, Buddhism, hell even Islam is a safe topic but NOT Christianity, Catholicism or Judaism.

I can't tell you the amount of hatred toward God and faith of most sorts. In some cases, family members and members of society who were complete assholes to someone they didn't know just because they were gay gave them a damned good reason and God's name is blasphemed because of those unloving people. There are also plenty of asshole men and women out there who really are bigoted pricks and I'm sure many of them will post on this thread.

But it is a lie to say that there isn't a deeper seated hatred in many towards God in the gay community for other reasons.

And now, it's not even safe to question or think for yourself in the gay community.

People are so confused... even straight people wanting to be good people are afraid to speak their own opinions on things. If you even QUESTION the idea that people are born gay and have no choice, you're a bigot and homophobic.

If you notice things about the gay lifestyle and/or community that aren't healthy (and there are plenty of examples) then you're "blaming the victims".

If you have identified as a gay or lesbian and question your orientation, then you are suffering from internalized homophobia.

If you don't act on gay whims, then you will be repressed and miserable and probably kill yourself.

If you have a problem with gays, then you must be gay.

If you've ever had a problem with relationships with the opposite sex, you must be gay.

If you've even once been curious about the same sex, then you must be gay.

And if you leave the lifestyle, well then, you were never gay to begin with.

It's the biggest crock of shit. I'm not gonna judge someone one way or another. There is a Judge but it's not me.

But I'm sick and tired of people who claim to be sons and daughters of God spewing hate towards someone whose sin is just more visible than their own...

And I'm equally sick and tired gays spewing hate towards someone who dares to question the party line and take responsibility for their lives, their actions and their decisions.

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Sounds like any other "special interest" group...

All typical human behaviors, you see the same type of shit from religious jokers and political extremists.
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Sounds like any other "special interest" group...

All typical human behaviors, you see the same type of shit from religious jokers and political extremists.
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True... just like any other subculture or slice of society... but I have been in several different subcultures and the gay world is truly vicious in this way.
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Simple solution seems to me, live and let live. If one is happy so be it. Doesn't mean you shouldn't speak up if you see something clearly unhealthy, and no I don't think being homosexual or lesbian fits that in and of itself, but beyond that let them make their own choices as opposed to forcing your own beliefs onto them.

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No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Simple solution seems to me, live and let live. If one is happy so be it. Doesn't mean you shouldn't speak up if you see something clearly unhealthy, and no I don't think being homosexual or lesbian fits that in and of itself, but beyond that let them make their own choices as opposed to forcing your own beliefs onto them.
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I'm saying though that there is a lot of hypocrisy in the gay community on this point. My acquaintances will rail on about people being intolerant when they are some of the most intolerant and closed-minded people I've ever met.

I'm not singling homosexuals out... just giving you all a perspective from the inside lol
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especially since it's such a GLP hot topic hahaha
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I don't even know why this issue gets as much attention as it does. I don't care what other people do in their sex lives, I just don't really want to hear about. I don't want gay people to talk about how proud they are, and I don't want to hear gay or straight people talking about their sex lives because I just don't care about that. That should remain personal. I just feel like some gay people feel they have to overcompensate for their status by lots of PDA and sharing their gayness with the world. Frankly I don't feel ready to have to explain to my 4 and 7 year olds why those two guys are making out. That said, one of my best friends since I was a child is a gay man so I am not at all homophobic. Just think discretion is a good thing.
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Simple solution seems to me, live and let live. If one is happy so be it. Doesn't mean you shouldn't speak up if you see something clearly unhealthy, and no I don't think being homosexual or lesbian fits that in and of itself, but beyond that let them make their own choices as opposed to forcing your own beliefs onto them.
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I'm saying though that there is a lot of hypocrisy in the gay community on this point. My acquaintances will rail on about people being intolerant when they are some of the most intolerant and closed-minded people I've ever met.

I'm not singling homosexuals out... just giving you all a perspective from the inside lol
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Fair enough lol.

We really would do well I think though to realize where all the division is coming from, we needn't be at such odds with each other.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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especially since it's such a GLP hot topic hahaha
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This is true, always lol.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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especially since it's such a GLP hot topic hahaha
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This is true, always lol.
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:-D
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when I lived in San Fran years ago for short time, I lived downtown where this fair occurred every year called the Folsum Street Fair aka. "the leather fest". I couldn't believe my eyes that so many military men attended the event clad in leather pants and a harness. no wonder TPTB want don't want to repeal don't ask don't tell. gays may make the best killers in the world and at the same time have an eye for fashion.

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Wow!
That is sad.

I remember when I first accidentally was a mild victim of male homosexuals that HATE women.

I was young, naive- didn't care about sexual orientation in the least.

My point - both sets of behaviors are very bamboozling.
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

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hormone imbalance.

move along.
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All i can say is my great grandfather told me lucifer was cast down from heaven because of inapropriate behaviour with fellow angels who were also cast down with him.Today i now know that my great grandfather was talking about honmosexuality.I'll give you alittle background info on where i'm from.I'm what most of you call Bantu,but really,my family goes all the way to Egypt and previously the land of Judah.I was born in a little town in central Kenya,to a very traditional family.

In culture there is the respect of generations and strict way of passing down info especially when that info is important to and for future generations.

My grand father refused to be baptised into the Catholic faith denouncing it as a false religion.He told me he was of Kabiru {Hebrew} in English.He went on to explain being of Ngai does not require one to be in any institution and the institutions claiming to be advocating for GOD are a leviathan and are the creation of satan.He says satan steals and claims those of GOD so he can parallel the power and glory of the gracious one.


My great grandfather went on to say Eve gave birth to satan's son cain.

And lucifer was cast down because of homosexuality.This is a true story.

I'm a Kikuyu from Kenya and i have no motive to deceive.I'm just giving you something that was passed down to me from a very honourable man in his 90s but of very sound mind.Remember there was no chem trails and such like in Kikukyu land back in the day.


Sorry for the wall of writing.
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A lot of people just need to use the name of god as a cloak.
The sheeple i mean,those with big mouths,watching porn all day..That kind of people,prejudice without any listening.

Goodluck with your thread.....
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And if you leave the lifestyle, well then, you were never gay to begin with.
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Lol - just like with Christians :D

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Wow!
That is sad.

I remember when I first accidentally was a mild victim of male homosexuals that HATE women.

I was young, naive- didn't care about sexual orientation in the least.

My point - both sets of behaviors are very bamboozling.
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That sucks... yes there is plenty of misogyny is the gay AND lesbian world.
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And if you leave the lifestyle, well then, you were never gay to begin with.
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Lol - just like with Christians :D

Four stars comin' at ya, soon as I can vote again
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Thanks hf
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hormone imbalance.

move along.
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A lot of people just need to use the name of god as a cloak.
The sheeple i mean,those with big mouths,watching porn all day..That kind of people,prejudice without any listening.

Goodluck with your thread.....
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Thanks... but I don't really understand your post. Care to clarify?
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hey completely off topic but did you get your telescope?
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All i can say is my great grandfather told me lucifer was cast down from heaven because of inapropriate behaviour with fellow angels who were also cast down with him.Today i now know that my great grandfather was talking about honmosexuality.I'll give you alittle background info on where i'm from.I'm what most of you call Bantu,but really,my family goes all the way to Egypt and previously the land of Judah.I was born in a little town in central Kenya,to a very traditional family.

In culture there is the respect of generations and strict way of passing down info especially when that info is important to and for future generations.

My grand father refused to be baptised into the Catholic faith denouncing it as a false religion.He told me he was of Kabiru {Hebrew} in English.He went on to explain being of Ngai does not require one to be in any institution and the institutions claiming to be advocating for GOD are a leviathan and are the creation of satan.He says satan steals and claims those of GOD so he can parallel the power and glory of the gracious one.


My great grandfather went on to say Eve gave birth to satan's son cain.

And lucifer was cast down because of homosexuality.This is a true story.

I'm a Kikuyu from Kenya and i have no motive to deceive.I'm just giving you something that was passed down to me from a very honourable man in his 90s but of very sound mind.Remember there was no chem trails and such like in Kikukyu land back in the day.


Sorry for the wall of writing.
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Definitely NOT something I've heard before! Thank you very much for sharing from your grandfather.
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It isn't good to put people in specific 'boxes.''

We all need the freedom to stretch our wings and let our own personally designed freak flags fly!!!
Personal responsibility - try it sometime. Quit blaming others for your bad choices. Consequences happen.

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You know, there's a lot of people who can't handle the idea that people can change.

I've been in the gay world for more than 12 years and the thing that gays and lesbians CAN'T STAND is the thought that their homosexuality JUST MIGHT be a choice.... and they can't stand it when someone rejects the culture and the idea that maybe there is another way that they could live.

I have seen many, many shots drank in honor of "fuck that bitch, going straight", etc. over the years.

I've seen women who have been with other women for years decide to go out with a man and be completely blacklisted in the community.

I've seen people practically excommunicated - including myself - for having libertarian or conservative political beliefs.

Faith is a topic you can't even talk about. Well actually you can as long as it's something liberal - Unitarianism, Buddhism, hell even Islam is a safe topic but NOT Christianity, Catholicism or Judaism.

I can't tell you the amount of hatred toward God and faith of most sorts. In some cases, family members and members of society who were complete assholes to someone they didn't know just because they were gay gave them a damned good reason and God's name is blasphemed because of those unloving people. There are also plenty of asshole men and women out there who really are bigoted pricks and I'm sure many of them will post on this thread.

But it is a lie to say that there isn't a deeper seated hatred in many towards God in the gay community for other reasons.

And now, it's not even safe to question or think for yourself in the gay community.

People are so confused... even straight people wanting to be good people are afraid to speak their own opinions on things. If you even QUESTION the idea that people are born gay and have no choice, you're a bigot and homophobic.

If you notice things about the gay lifestyle and/or community that aren't healthy (and there are plenty of examples) then you're "blaming the victims".

If you have identified as a gay or lesbian and question your orientation, then you are suffering from internalized homophobia.

If you don't act on gay whims, then you will be repressed and miserable and probably kill yourself.

If you have a problem with gays, then you must be gay.

If you've ever had a problem with relationships with the opposite sex, you must be gay.

If you've even once been curious about the same sex, then you must be gay.

And if you leave the lifestyle, well then, you were never gay to begin with.

It's the biggest crock of shit. I'm not gonna judge someone one way or another. There is a Judge but it's not me.

But I'm sick and tired of people who claim to be sons and daughters of God spewing hate towards someone whose sin is just more visible than their own...

And I'm equally sick and tired gays spewing hate towards someone who dares to question the party line and take responsibility for their lives, their actions and their decisions.

EDITED for typos and to clarify thread title.
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gays are more judgemental than catholics. Them fruitcakes are psychotic.
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hey completely off topic but did you get your telescope?
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lol no I got the metal detector instead... my Orion Dobsonian will be next :-)
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gays are more judgemental than catholics. Them fruitcakes are psychotic.
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All i can say is my great grandfather told me lucifer was cast down from heaven because of inapropriate behaviour with fellow angels who were also cast down with him.Today i now know that my great grandfather was talking about honmosexuality.I'll give you alittle background info on where i'm from.I'm what most of you call Bantu,but really,my family goes all the way to Egypt and previously the land of Judah.I was born in a little town in central Kenya,to a very traditional family.

In culture there is the respect of generations and strict way of passing down info especially when that info is important to and for future generations.

My grand father refused to be baptised into the Catholic faith denouncing it as a false religion.He told me he was of Kabiru {Hebrew} in English.He went on to explain being of Ngai does not require one to be in any institution and the institutions claiming to be advocating for GOD are a leviathan and are the creation of satan.He says satan steals and claims those of GOD so he can parallel the power and glory of the gracious one.


My great grandfather went on to say Eve gave birth to satan's son cain.

And lucifer was cast down because of homosexuality.This is a true story.

I'm a Kikuyu from Kenya and i have no motive to deceive.I'm just giving you something that was passed down to me from a very honourable man in his 90s but of very sound mind.Remember there was no chem trails and such like in Kikukyu land back in the day.


Sorry for the wall of writing.
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Wow - very interesting
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Thanks for posting this. I'm straight and have no issue with homosexuality. I have done a fair bit of research on the topic, as my high school sweet heart, whom I had a 15 year relationship and 7 year marriage, along with two beautiful children...divorced me because she is a lesbian.

The only caveat I have about people and the life they choose to live is to live as authentic a life as possible. Be real to yourself. BE REAL.

That said, in my observations and study of homosexuality, there is are a lot of people living inauthentic lives.

'nuff said.

Once again, thanks for your posts and bullet points. You are an observant sort, and I appreciate that.
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