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* * * * * Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon? * * * * *

 
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Hel obviously became Hell with two ll's but it originally referred simply to dying. To go to Hel meant to die. Hel was a being goddess who resided over a place of the same name.
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SUMERIAN LILITH

LILith is "Lilitu" in the Sumerian texts. A terra-cotta relief of Lilitu shows her with a 'beehive'-shaped helmet or headress. She has three-toed feet like a bird or falcon (or dinosaur/dragon?). Her body is nude and voluptuous, thus seductive. She has long hair and a pair of falcon wings. At either side are a pair of owls, which are birds
of prey, night-hunters famed for vigilance & wisdom. Her feet stand on jackals, known for their plaintive crying in the night.

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HEBREW LILITH


The wife/sister of Lucifer. Queen of the Underworld and of witches. Queen of the succubi, who ravished men in their sleep for their seed to reproduce "Lilem" or demons. Sucked the blood of young children and of girl babies. Abducted and ate boys. She is the "Night Hag" and "Night
Mary" who brings "terror by night" and nightmares.
The rabbis say that Lilith led Lucifer into rebellion and caused his fall.

PSEUDEPIGRAPHAL LILITH

Called "Luluwa"--a version of "Lilith" in Hebrew--she was the twin sister and wife of Cain. Would "shine" or "glow brightly" or perhaps have horns like her twin brother. Said to be the offspring of Samael or Satanail, now called Satan. Cain's nickname "H'ILL" or "The Shining One" is male form of "Lilith" in Hebrew. Exiled for murder, which she is said to help cause. Liluwa was noted for her great beauty when she was young. As offspring of an angel, said to have powers of flight and
shape-shifting, and to be very tall. Their line noted for cannibalism and drinking blood. Luluwa is blamed for Cain's downfall.

ROMAN LILITH

Libitina, or "little Libi," apparently derived her name from the semitic root "L'B" which meant "fat" or "whitish" in color. The name relates to Lilith's association with the pale light of the moon. In the case of Libitina, she lived in the Underworld and was the Roman version of Persephone, goddess of witches, wife of Pluto. This would
correspond exactly to the Hebrew story of Lilith as the mate & sister of Lucifer.

GREEK LILITH


Persephone was the Queen of the Underworld. Also known by the very likely older name "Pro-Serpentina" meaning "Proceeded from a Serpent" --that is, the Serpent's Daughter.

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Lucifer and Lilith

The ONLY Biblical text (Is 14:12) that mentions "Lucifer"
is referring in the Hebrew to a human being named "H'ILL" or
"The ILL" (meaning "The ILLumined One"). The actual name is
"H'ILL." "Lucifer" is a LATIN TRANSLATION of the meaning of
the Hebrew name "H'ILL" or "The ILLumined One." So there is
NO ONE named "Lucifer" at all; his name is "H'ILL"--and that
itself is not really a name, but a DESCRIPTION of a MAN who
has the odd characteristic of SHINING or GLOWING.
Nowhere
does the text identify this person as Satan or even an angel
as such. It is a text about the King of Babylon at the time
of the end of this age, and it expressly calls "Lucifer" or
"H'ILL" a "MAN" (Is 14:16): "Is this ["Lucifer"] the MAN who
made the nations tremble?"

If "H'ILL/Lucifer" is the HUSBAND of LILith--as Israeli
Rabbi Herzl Rosenblum of Tel Aviv insists--then Isaiah is
prophesying about LILith's mate appearing at the end of the
age and ascending "above the stars...above the heights of
the clouds..."
{Is 14:13,14) [The new 'Original Bible' text of Isaiah by Dr. James D. Tabor intimates the existence of LILith with H'ILL/Lucifer in Is 14; he renders his mate as,
"the exactress of gold"--a detail Zechariah Sitchin fans
will find familiar.]

If LILith's mate--H'ILL/Lucifer is expected to appear at
the end of this age, could she also make an appearance? Is
she just a woman?
(many women?)

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The basic account about the devil is that he caused Adam
and Eve to lose immortality. If he were the cause of death,
then the devil was responsible for all the "ILLs" that lead
to death. Among his Hebrew names are "SatanIL" and "SamIL."
The root "SAM-" means "poison"--that is, something that was
known to cause "ILLness" and death. Whether used as word by
itself, or as a prefix or suffix, "IL/ILL" became a common
identification of the "Devil," the source of "evIL" and the
death to which it leads. Because "Lucifer" is really just
a Latin translation of "H'ILL"--"The ILLumined One"--or "The
Light-bearing One,"
it appears that "ILL" began as the word
signifying "ILLumination" and later became identified with
the concept of "ILLness" and "evIL" as a secondary meaning.
It may even go back to a proper name of some primordial or
angelic being, that is, his original identifying name. The
"H'ILL" may have been his name, or a word to link someone
--a human--to him: "He who is of ILL" or even "Son of ILL."

His sister LILith has also left her name in the language.
The root "LIL" may be added to by various feminine endings:
"LILah, LILette, LOLita, LOLa, LILina, LILy, DeLILah, etc."

The "LIL" means she glows pale white, the color of death
and plague, or the pale white of the MOON.
The myth of the
white female unicorn, the "virgin" who violently resists any
man ruling her, may be a key to Lilith. The unicorn is said
to be a very dangerous creature, not the sweet innocent pony
of children's cartoons. The unicorn is sacred to LILith, but
she is not really a virgin herself--except in the technical
sense that she has never really been in love with any man. (or virgin as in true to an original type, like a virgin forest?)

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lol + yoda = lil
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Demonic beings are said to be unable to pass through water and are supposedly thereby able to attain "rest" inside human and animal bodies.

[link to petragrail.tripod.com]

The above is an interesting, as we know from certain sources Angels and Demons are but the different sides of one coin. The above reminds me of this verse ...

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The above goes on to say this ...

Water, then, might also serve to
trap or imprison such beings --

Which would go with these verses --

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (throne used to mean against my spine.)

Revelation 7:16
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
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The Biblical tradition says the Nephilim or "Fallen Ones"
were on the earth before the Flood and afterwards, but they
appear to be missing during the Flood. They were the elite
"Mighty Ones" or "men of renown" who are called "giants" and
who were the offspring of the "Sons of God" or Fallen Angels
who raped women. A spirit who has sex with a woman was also
known as an Incubus, the male counter-part of the Succubus,
which was the role traditionally accorded LILith. Thus, the
Incubus would be Lucifer or H'ILL.

It appears the confusion about the nature of LILith may
relate to her dual nature, part woman, part angel. She may
be the offspring of a Fallen Angel, inheriting characterics
of both her parents. That would mean her brother Lucifer or
H'ILL is also a hybrid--son of a Fallen Angel and an earthly
mother.

The rabbis have such a story. The union resulted in two
offspring: male and female twins.

The old rabbinical tale involves the angel "Samael," who
ruled the 5th heaven, that is, the house of Aries, which is
ruled by Mars as a rising star. Samael left Mars and came
to the earth where he encountered Eve in the Garden. As an
Incubus, he fathered Cain and Cain's twin sister, "LULuwa,"
by Eve. The Hebrew ending "-uwa" means "of Eve" or simply
"a woman." It is similar to "-ith" in LILith. In Hebrew,
"LIL-ith" and "LIL-uwa" have the same basic meaning.

The Jewish legend about Cain and his sister LULuwa or
LILith implies that Cain is Lucifer, the shining one, the
light-bearer, H'ILL. Was Cain known to "shine" or "glow"?

Could he inherit some kind of angelic "ILLumination" from
his legendary father Samael?

It seems he may. Genesis twice states, in the Hebrew of
chapter 4, that Cain "GLOWED GREATLY, and his countenance
fell" after God failed to react to his sacrifice offering
in the same dramatic way He had to Abel's.

The Genesis 4 Hebrew word meaning to "shine" or "glow"
is the root of such words as "horn" and "corn" and "crown."
It is used of Moses after he comes down from the mountain,
and his face "shown" so that the Israelites could not look
upon him. That is a bright light. And Genesis says Cain's
face "glowed GREATLY"--which signifies a VERY bright light.

The word caused some readers confusion. It can also be
rendered as "had horns" and Moses is often shown with horns
because of this. Some rabbis felt Cain had a horn growing
out of his forehead--like a unicorn...that is, like LILith.
Other stories had Cain given two horns as the "mark" which
God put on his forehead to protect him.
It is for the same
reason that Lucifer and his father Satan are depicted with
horns; as "shining ones," they could also be considered as
having horns due to the dual meaning of the Hebrew word.

After fathering Cain and Liltih, Samael was given a name
we are more familiar with: Satan, the "One who Sits as Judge
or Accuses." The idea is that, having been caught defiling
Eve, he began accusing all humans of sin to make his offense
seem less serious by comparison. He became the Prosecutor
of the human race.

[link to petragrail.tripod.com]

Seems these things remain in the bible.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
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In the New Testament Christian writings, Jesus is placed
in the alternative role of Defense Attorney; John says, "We
have an ADVOCATE before the Father, even Jesus Christ, the
Righteous." The Messiah or Christ is contrasted with Satan
and Lucifer, his son, the False Christ, the spirit of Cain,
who killed Abel, the type of Christ, the Good Shepherd. In
all these parallels the ancient rivalry between Cain and the
true sons of Adam, Abel and Seth, and later Jesus, is meant
to convey the sense of a cosmic struggle between two family
lines: The legitimate one from Adam and the illegitimate one
from Samael/Satan. These two genetic streams became mixed
at the time of Noah, Genesis says. So the two DNA types are
supposedly intertwined in all of us to a greater or lesser
degree.

Jesus seems to refer to this idea frequently. He speaks
of "the (human) seed planted by God" and "the seed sown by
the evil one." He says the two will grow up together until
the last days when the wheat will be divided from the chaff,
which would signify that the nutritious part of the wheat
would be divided from the indigestible part in each grain.

Jesus acknowledged that the descendents of Abraham (as He
was Himself through Mary) could also be "sons of your father
the devil...who was a MURDERER from the beginning." In the
Hebrew usage, the phrase "from the beginning" was how Jews
referred to the book of Genesis. So Jesus was saying that
the "devil" fathered human offspring and "was a MURDERER in
the book of Genesis."

The "MURDERER" in Genesis, of course, was Cain. Jesus
indicated that Cain was not merely "a" devil, but THE devil,
the evil one. Cain literally embodied Satan in some way and
the way Jesus is indicating is biological. Satan was Cain's
father, in other words.

John, in his first epistle, all but asserts this openly.
He says, "In this, the CHILDREN of God are manifest and the
CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL ... For this is the message which you
have heard FROM THE BEGINNING [ie IN GENESIS] that we should
love one another, NOT AS CAIN, who was OF THAT WICKED ONE
and slew his brother...[1 Jn 3:10-12]" The expression "OF
THAT WICKED ONE" in Greek is the standard way of indicating
sonship, that is, that Cain was the SON OF the Wicked One,
which would here mean that Cain was the son of Satan.

LILith was not only Cain/Lucifer's sister; she became his
wife as well. As soon as Cain is exiled to the east of Eden
and therefore toward Jordan and the Euphrates Valley of what
is now Iraq, Genesis says "he knew his wife" and she brought
forth a son. So Genesis indicates Cain had a sister his age
(which must have been c.13 because it seems the time of his
exile was also the first time he had sex with his wife and
that she was also exiled with him). In the Apocrypha and
Pseudepigrpha, her name is LULuwa, and she becomes his wife.
[See "The Second Book of ADAM & EVE," chapter I, verse 6.]
It is also implied that the two had animosity toward each
other ["The First Book of ADAM & EVE," ch LXXIV, vs 6-8].

It is well known that Lilith is the Hebrew version of
Isis,
but few realize that the word used for Cains' "wife"
in Genesis 4 is "ISh'T" which became "Auset" in Egyptian
and "Isis" in Greek. Cains' "wife" IS Isis, ie Lilith.
Like lilith, Isis is reckoned "Queen of the witches" and
kills and kidnaps babies, and rules without a man.

Now we see these twins BOTH exiled, and as twins, BOTH
must have been "shining."

[link to petragrail.tripod.com]

So does this relate to ...

The myths and legends of Greece, India and South America describe the rule of Osiris and Isis.” The Mighty Osiris and Isis walked into the Egyptian Valley out of nowhere and assumed command.’ They were taller and more imposing than the men of the time, with long blond hair, marble like white skin and remarkable powers that enabled miracles”.

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atm there is a rock floating trough the solar system that looks like a fish head and the oceans seem like deserts with some water.

just like a half moon with a flatend australia indonesia plateau.


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Something interesting just occurred to me about the above ...

If Cain is Lucifer and Lilith becomes or is really Isis in Egypt, then Osiris is Cain, the seed of Satan.

Jesus and Mary is a repeat of the same story which means Jesus is the Devil, just like the Norse people said he was.

The Virgin Mary is really Josephs sister and their son is Jesus. This is why Jesus has a mother named Mary and a lover named Mary. They are both Lilith in reality and Lilith is the the one who gave Nightmares which is where the word comes from, her being the night Mary.

Lilith no doubt is also Queen Semiramis who married Nimrod and then had him killed and said her son Tamaz who was to another man was actually Nimrod reincarnated. Queen Semiramis was a real woman and she gained power by claiming to be a woman from a legend passed down from before the great flood who gives birth to a God.

So Queen Semiramis was actually a fraud but the tale and it's meaning no doubt have some basis in reality.

In the Dragon movie clip on the previous page on this thread, "Hel (the Norse Goddess)is said to birth a dragon.

The Native American Indians did a totem pole of the father bride and Son. Except in their version it is a huge bird then a human and then a bird ...

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i want my lol back.
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Evidence in the way of skulls has been found on this planet and these skulls are of super intelligent big brained humans probably who came from somewhere else who once walked this Earth.

The below image of what were referred to as God's skulls from Peru, too large to be just deformed by binding.

[link to www.world-mysteries.com]

It is an equivalent of the modern type of skull in all respects, with only several factors out of proportion. Less significant is the size of eye sockets which are about 15% larger than in modern populations. More significant is the enormity of the cranial vault. The estimated cranial capacity ranges between minimum of 2600 ccm to 3200 ccm.

[link to www.world-mysteries.com]

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Things have started to fall into place for me and so I will start a new thread soon and lay it out better.
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cool i don't understand it very much.

am i cast out or did i throw myself in or

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oh there is that grenade song again , why.

they started with that woman in 1978 and without knowing i don't even know why they sing soo much.
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light on that round bulb on the moon with some swine guy on the other end and a ra woman or something together with that nectar guy.

and some flatened area just like antarctica and the australia plateau ?
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The Cross ... Sometime during the first centuries of the Western calendar the Latin cross was adopted by the Christian ideology but had been associated with heavenly, almighty lords, the sun god's staff.

In the movie "Revelation" 2002 staring Terrance Stamp, they showed how the "Ankh" was interchangeable in the early Egyptian church with the Cross. A symbol which is now almost identical to the feminine symbol of today.

The Rose ... Legend tells us the Holy Grail is a chalice - a cup. But the Grails description as a chalice is actually an allegory to protect the true nature of the Holy Grail. The legend uses the chalice as a metaphor for something far more important - women. The Grail is literally the ancient symbol for womanhood - a woman's womb is shaped like a chalice.

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This is Mary, Our Lord's mother, the "woman" in Revelation
12:1. John just finished speaking of the "ark" in Heaven
at the end of chapter 11 in Revelation.

Mary is the ark of the New Covenant.
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time is everything...

you knew i'd find this didn't you, just when i was about to give up...

i'm lookin through these bars and remembering the top of that mountain before the storm.

oh, if i were free to be all woman rather than reigned in and tethered...

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