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MountainTux User ID: 873257 Canada 01/22/2011 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, Just imagine all the wire inside your house. Would get pretty hot , pretty fast with a huge surge in power! Quoting: Final..FrontierBut as I said, I don't think in the scenario you would HAVE a huge surge in power. I think a simple cessation of current would be more likely, as the points that collect and GENERATE power fail. As an example, there's a tremendous surge of power when a transformer overloads... but the outlets in your HOUSE don't blow up. Think of it in those terms. The power of Linux COMPELS you! |
PARANOID. User ID: 923589 United States 01/22/2011 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can I FEDEX you one of our Homing Pigeons? Quoting: PARANOID.Hmmmm... but... if it was effectively an EMP-type scenario, would the pidgeon be able to find it's way, as they navigate mostly with the EM field, like many other animals? Dammitt didnt think about that |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1239873 Canada 01/22/2011 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're in a city, how are you going to manage getting out of it when everyone else is going to do the same, etc. Quoting: OTOCIn the country, and happy to be there :) I think MOST people will try to help, within reason, hence my point about gathering friends / neighbors. Pooling resopurces and skills will be key. A supplemental note, however... a side-effect of this WILL be to create a more defensible position, because eventually, there WILL be violence over resources, and NOBODYwill have the luxury of giving past a certain point. That's not a mindset, my friend, THAT is an inevitability. well said Tux! |
OTOC (OP) User ID: 1237358 United Kingdom 01/22/2011 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the sun took out the grid, chances are your house would be on fire. Quoting: Final..FrontierNo, chances are your house would be fine. What lit the telegraph poles on fire in 1859? High voltage current induced by the high energy magnetic ionospheric storm caused by a CME, working to do the exact opposite of a electromagnetic. It fed magnetism (and also electricity) into the system and the constant fluxxing magnetic fields created the charge in the wiring. The high voltage basically burned through the wires and set them alight. Yes a few small house fires could be set off by the effect with metal tubing and wiring throughout the house, but you have to realise that the current and voltage induced is porportional to the amount of metal/metal wiring per square centimeter. Solar Storms, Your basic guide: Thread: Solar Storms, Your Basic Guide. AC 1082864 - "This post was sponsored by OTOC. If you watch any doom on November 4, watch katla!" Yellowstone - 2024, some time after june. |
MountainTux User ID: 873257 Canada 01/22/2011 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First thing that I'd do is to phone someone in another province. Land lines work with no power. I still have an old phone that requires no power to work. Quoting: Final..FrontierNo such thing, sorry. Even old POTS phones required line voltage. Old phones get their voltage from the telephone line, not from the electrical grid. So they should work... The whole point, though, is that there IS no voltage. I do believe we're working on a complete black-out (emp) type of scenario. The power of Linux COMPELS you! |
RonOh User ID: 1238446 United States 01/22/2011 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this scenario is why I always keep good hand tools around. Quoting: popcornDitto Life is short.....live it with ecstasy! Intuition is a status of mind to live by. The most destructive lies we tell are the ones we tell ourselves. Once you stop this behavior things begin to change. The universe embraces you and gives you the courage, forbearance, faith, hope and love to move up the staircase. It's enLightening. Changing the world one person at a time. I II IIII IIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIII THE DOOR OF DOOM HAS BEEN BOLWN OEPN AND TREHE IS A GIPANG HLOE IN JAAPN! "One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching." -- Gerard Way |
MountainTux User ID: 873257 Canada 01/22/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can I FEDEX you one of our Homing Pigeons? Quoting: PARANOID.Hmmmm... but... if it was effectively an EMP-type scenario, would the pidgeon be able to find it's way, as they navigate mostly with the EM field, like many other animals? Dammitt didnt think about that Sorry... The power of Linux COMPELS you! |
OTOC (OP) User ID: 1237358 United Kingdom 01/22/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I assume you'll warn us if a massive cme is on the way, right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 920472I assume you'll warn us if a massive cme is on the way, right? Sure, can't really warn you about a flare with combined radiation storm taking out satellites and radio comms though. so we are supposed to 'assume' it was a solar flare that knocked out the power grid? you really think that is the 'only' possibility? this scenario is very likely seeing how we have been getting 'warned' repeatedly the past year that this 'could' happen even though the sun has never done this before, we are expected to just believe it will do it now...almost sounds preplanned to me Flare? No, I'm just answering his question, I can warn about a CME, but the flare arrives as the instruments pick it up, there is no time at all to warn anyone, and the radiation storm is likely to arrive within 20 minutes after the flare (for a massive one), with the 5-15 minute delay a lot of the time on the instruments to the public eye, I can't warn anyone about it. CME's are easy, have at least 7-8 hours :) And it's the CME's that will take out the grid, not a flare. Solar Storms, Your basic guide: Thread: Solar Storms, Your Basic Guide. AC 1082864 - "This post was sponsored by OTOC. If you watch any doom on November 4, watch katla!" Yellowstone - 2024, some time after june. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1237624 Mexico 01/22/2011 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this scenario is why I always keep good hand tools around. Quoting: popcornDitto If you are dependent on electricity for cooking you are fucked. Our life has gas cylinders and drinking water deliveries, so electricity can be easily replaced by candles.... |
PARANOID. User ID: 923589 United States 01/22/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can I FEDEX you one of our Homing Pigeons? Quoting: PARANOID.Hmmmm... but... if it was effectively an EMP-type scenario, would the pidgeon be able to find it's way, as they navigate mostly with the EM field, like many other animals? Dammitt didnt think about that Sorry... its OK they are edible |
OTOC (OP) User ID: 1237358 United Kingdom 01/22/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder - what exactly would go out in such a scenario (I have to admit that what I know about circuitry would fit in a thimble)? I remember once when electricity hit our house and zapped our TVs and microwave. Could you still run your applicances if you had solar power (aren't they usually tied into the grid) or a propane cooktop/oven/furnace? Would battery operated hand-held tools (flashlights) work? Would your car work (so long as you had gas) or would it zap the electrical parts? I can't help but agree with the other poster who said your house would probably catch fire -if there is such a surge as to knock out the grid? Quoting: FaithNot really enough wiring, A truely doomsday one, will wipe out everything, your backyard generator, your solar power, Easiest thing to repair would be a waterwheel, that's if the wiring in your house hasn't fried, all the fuses blown out etc. Solar Storms, Your basic guide: Thread: Solar Storms, Your Basic Guide. AC 1082864 - "This post was sponsored by OTOC. If you watch any doom on November 4, watch katla!" Yellowstone - 2024, some time after june. |
Final..Frontier User ID: 1239865 Canada 01/22/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, Just imagine all the wire inside your house. Would get pretty hot , pretty fast with a huge surge in power! Quoting: Final..FrontierBut as I said, I don't think in the scenario you would HAVE a huge surge in power. I think a simple cessation of current would be more likely, as the points that collect and GENERATE power fail. As an example, there's a tremendous surge of power when a transformer overloads... but the outlets in your HOUSE don't blow up. Think of it in those terms. You ever been in a lightning storm? You ever get blasted on to your ass from opening a fridge when lightning has just struck near by? Ever see a power transformer blow up, when the lightning hasn't even struck close to it? Just imagine that, only thousands of times stronger. We don't know what will burn and what won't. Just stating my opinion. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 875198 United States 01/22/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd be happy. I've got sub-zero sleeping bags and candles in the house. I would make into a family adventure time. It's cold enough outside to keep lots of foods fresh too. I think a lot of people would welcome some time in the dark. It's peaceful to be disconnected. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875198for 5 months? For 5 months, I guess I'd get a wood burning stove installed in my house stat. I could cook on it too. I live in the Rockies, lots of wood. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1154424 United States 01/22/2011 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder - what exactly would go out in such a scenario (I have to admit that what I know about circuitry would fit in a thimble)? I remember once when electricity hit our house and zapped our TVs and microwave. Could you still run your applicances if you had solar power (aren't they usually tied into the grid) or a propane cooktop/oven/furnace? Would battery operated hand-held tools (flashlights) work? Would your car work (so long as you had gas) or would it zap the electrical parts? I can't help but agree with the other poster who said your house would probably catch fire -if there is such a surge as to knock out the grid? Quoting: FaithNot really enough wiring, A truely doomsday one, will wipe out everything, your backyard generator, your solar power, Easiest thing to repair would be a waterwheel, that's if the wiring in your house hasn't fried, all the fuses blown out etc. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1154424 United States 01/22/2011 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder - what exactly would go out in such a scenario (I have to admit that what I know about circuitry would fit in a thimble)? I remember once when electricity hit our house and zapped our TVs and microwave. Could you still run your applicances if you had solar power (aren't they usually tied into the grid) or a propane cooktop/oven/furnace? Would battery operated hand-held tools (flashlights) work? Would your car work (so long as you had gas) or would it zap the electrical parts? I can't help but agree with the other poster who said your house would probably catch fire -if there is such a surge as to knock out the grid? Quoting: FaithNot really enough wiring, A truely doomsday one, will wipe out everything, your backyard generator, your solar power, Easiest thing to repair would be a waterwheel, that's if the wiring in your house hasn't fried, all the fuses blown out etc. edit..still getting used to the new quote button.. and it would likely fry the cars too, and that will be a major biggie. like if you don't live close to a creek when your stored water runs out, you be in for a bad time. |
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MountainTux User ID: 873257 Canada 01/22/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You ever been in a lightning storm? Quoting: Final..FrontierYou ever get blasted on to your ass from opening a fridge when lightning has just struck near by? Ever see a power transformer blow up, when the lightning hasn't even struck close to it? Just imagine that, only thousands of times stronger. We don't know what will burn and what won't. Just stating my opinion. Yes, no and yes, although I HAVE gotten whomped by my metal toolbox in a storm :) And I get what you are saying, but again, you're talking about inducing a high voltage into an already electrified system, basically overloading it. An EM scenario is DISRUPTING flow, rather than overloading it, so I just don't see the effect being nearly the same. But, as previously stated, we really don't know WHAT will happen :) I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. As you put it, I'm also just giving my opinion. Cheers! The power of Linux COMPELS you! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1154424 United States 01/22/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd be happy. I've got sub-zero sleeping bags and candles in the house. I would make into a family adventure time. It's cold enough outside to keep lots of foods fresh too. I think a lot of people would welcome some time in the dark. It's peaceful to be disconnected. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875198for 5 months? For 5 months, I guess I'd get a wood burning stove installed in my house stat. I could cook on it too. I live in the Rockies, lots of wood. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1239195 United States 01/22/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First thing that I'd do is to phone someone in another province. Land lines work with no power. I still have an old phone that requires no power to work. Quoting: Final..FrontierNo such thing, sorry. Even old POTS phones required line voltage. Old phones get their voltage from the telephone line, not from the electrical grid. So they should work... True that. In fact it's why I said "line voltage". That will only work as long as the local telco station has battery power. |
Final..Frontier User ID: 1239865 Canada 01/22/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the sun took out the grid, chances are your house would be on fire. Quoting: Final..FrontierNo, chances are your house would be fine. What lit the telegraph poles on fire in 1859? High voltage current induced by the high energy magnetic ionospheric storm caused by a CME, working to do the exact opposite of a electromagnetic. It fed magnetism (and also electricity) into the system and the constant fluxxing magnetic fields created the charge in the wiring. The high voltage basically burned through the wires and set them alight. Yes a few small house fires could be set off by the effect with metal tubing and wiring throughout the house, but you have to realise that the current and voltage induced is porportional to the amount of metal/metal wiring per square centimeter. We could argue all day about it. I see your point. My opinion is that there would be a lot of houses going up in smoke. |
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Final..Frontier User ID: 1239865 Canada 01/22/2011 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You ever been in a lightning storm? Quoting: Final..FrontierYou ever get blasted on to your ass from opening a fridge when lightning has just struck near by? Ever see a power transformer blow up, when the lightning hasn't even struck close to it? Just imagine that, only thousands of times stronger. We don't know what will burn and what won't. Just stating my opinion. Yes, no and yes, although I HAVE gotten whomped by my metal toolbox in a storm :) And I get what you are saying, but again, you're talking about inducing a high voltage into an already electrified system, basically overloading it. An EM scenario is DISRUPTING flow, rather than overloading it, so I just don't see the effect being nearly the same. But, as previously stated, we really don't know WHAT will happen :) I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. As you put it, I'm also just giving my opinion. Cheers! Cheers, we may meet up one day. |
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OTOC (OP) User ID: 1237358 United Kingdom 01/22/2011 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: OTOCNo, chances are your house would be fine. What lit the telegraph poles on fire in 1859? High voltage current induced by the high energy magnetic ionospheric storm caused by a CME, working to do the exact opposite of a electromagnetic. It fed magnetism (and also electricity) into the system and the constant fluxxing magnetic fields created the charge in the wiring. The high voltage basically burned through the wires and set them alight. Yes a few small house fires could be set off by the effect with metal tubing and wiring throughout the house, but you have to realise that the current and voltage induced is porportional to the amount of metal/metal wiring per square centimeter. We could argue all day about it. I see your point. My opinion is that there would be a lot of houses going up in smoke. I see yours as well, I mean the wires can melt and catch fire, all depends on the house really, if there's enough oxygen for a long burn, where the fire will be, exactly what attracts the most current and voltage / Energy and heat. What's around the wires, is it fire resistant insulation or a dried christmas tree. So yeah, in really thinking about it, there is a good chance at least for a lot of small fires, with some houses really going up. Solar Storms, Your basic guide: Thread: Solar Storms, Your Basic Guide. AC 1082864 - "This post was sponsored by OTOC. If you watch any doom on November 4, watch katla!" Yellowstone - 2024, some time after june. |
MountainTux User ID: 873257 Canada 01/22/2011 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Final..Frontier Cheers, we may meet up one day. That would be a good thing :) You wouldn't by chance be on the prairies? When I used to live in Ontario, we got some nasty electrical storms, but NOTHING like I saw living in Saskachewan... THOSE were truly awesome, especially in tornado season! Last Edited by MountainTux on 01/22/2011 08:25 PM The power of Linux COMPELS you! |
Final..Frontier User ID: 1239865 Canada 01/22/2011 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Final..Frontier Cheers, we may meet up one day. That would be a good thing :) You wouldn't by chance be on the prairies? When I used to live in Ontario, we got some nasty electrical storms, but NOTHING like I saw living in Saskachewan... THOSE were truly awesome, especially in hurricane season! Was born and raised in Alberta. Live on the west coast now. |
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