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I've been exploring this idea a bit in another thread and I thought it was time for this go get its own thread.

I think it's possible Giffords has undergone a partial brain transplant into the body of a clone of Giffords born 9 years ago.

We've been cloning animals since the sixties, so a human clone is no hurdle today, it's readily accomplished. Sheep farmers have been doing it since the nineties. As far as I know there are no laws against human cloning, but there was a federal funding ban in the United States.

As for brain transplants, partial brain transplants have been successful in animals, so doing it in a human is plausible. The main hurdle to overcome is rejection. This rejection is mooted if you transplant into a cloned host. Throw in a few fetal stem cells to knit the brain tissue together and the rest is recovery. If you survive you become a walking advertisement for the service.

If you were going to carry this out covertly you'd have some explaining to do. You'd have to explain why the little girl disappeared. Presumably she'd be given a different identity, an adult in a 9 year old's body, the classic "if I knew then what I know now" scenario. You'd also have to explain why the adult's body suddenly underwent massive brain surgery and started acting lobotomized (at worst) or like a 9 year old (if they transplant the child's brain tissue into the adult body instead of throwing it out).

All of the technology described is well within our present medical capabilities, all that's required is the will to do so. If you were 31, and were given this option to radically extend your life at the expense of a clone grown just for you, would you take it? You'd have 9 years to think it over and 9 years to grow older all the while knowing that little clone of you is just starting its life.
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well the issue of the missing girl wouldn't be an issue if they grew her underground.
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well the issue of the missing girl wouldn't be an issue if they grew her underground.
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Yes it would be much easier if the girl was utterly unknown, but this baby was supposedly born on 9/11/2001 and was featured in a book with other such babies. I'm not saying they're all clones, but who knows, maybe they are. Maybe that's the "yearbook" for all the participants in a batch of cloning. This would have started at least 10 years ago, all the technology necessary existed then, too.

They say this little girl supposedly shot in Tucson was in her school's little pretend government. She was also one of those little "beauty queens", like poor little Jonbenet Ramsey. If you ask me dressing up little girls in evening gowns and high heels and whore makeup is some sick shit, it's just that side of the pedophile line, it's disgusting. I have no doubt her middle class life was very similar to Giffords' upbringing, she even got elected to her school government.

If I was caring for Giffords now I'd be on the lookout for her saying things like "I was president of my school!" or generally behaving like a 9 year old girl (playing with a grown man's tie, unbuttoning the top of his shirt, reading Harry Potter and playing with an iPad). This woman who took the girl to the event has said she told the girl just before the shooting "you cold be the next Gabby Giffords", and told her she could have a hunky astronaut husband some day just like Gabby. How ironic would it be if that lady's words were literally true, if this girl's body IS the next Gabby Giffords, and the girl's mind is now in the hunky astronaut's wife's body. They might even get the girl to think it's a good idea, priming her from birth to accept her fate, giving up her fresh body and assuming control over a powerful grown woman's body.
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Innovative procedures include:

* Transplantation for cancer
* Split liver transplants
* Pediatric and adult programs
* Intestinal transplantation
"

[link to www.memorialhermann.org]

This is from the medical center where Giffords has been transferred. What exactly is so "innovative" about pediatric and adult transplantation programs? What is the "innovative" part of their "pediatric and adult programs"?

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"Just over a month ago, on November 14, orderlies at Doernbecher Children's Hospital in Portland, Ore., wheeled a six-year-old child with an incurable disorder of the nervous system into an operating theater. During the next eight hours surgeons used computers to guide a surgical procedure the likes of which the world has never seen: injections of neural stem cells directly into the brain of a human subject."

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

This is from 2006, so this technique of "knitting" brains together with stem cells is a working technology.

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"Tracy Culbert, a nurse who accompanied Giffords and the congresswoman's husband, Houston-based astronaut Mark Kelly, on the flight, described her as being captivated by a ring on Culbert's finger. The nurse took it off and Giffords put it on her own hand.

'She was taking it off my hand and I asked if she wanted to see it,' Culbert said."

[link to www.valleynewslive.com]

Are these the actions of a 40 year old woman shot in the head or the actions you might expect of a 9 year old girl? Or both?

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"Good recovery: Brain injuries common, but not Giffords' level of care

I'd never call Gabrielle Giffords lucky, given the severity of her gunshot wound or the random cruelty of her would-be assassin. But in the universe of people recovering from traumatic brain injuries, the Democratic congresswoman from Arizona is fortunate in two very powerful ways.

She has access to state-of-the-art care, and her supporters number in the hundreds of millions. That's hardly the norm, to put it mildly. What's more typical is a lonely battle with the insurer for decent therapy -- plus a sense of isolation from friends who want things back to "normal" right away."

[link to www.oregonlive.com]

This just underlines the stark difference between the way the world treats the "rich and powerful" compared to the way they treat the rest of the peons. That we live in a world where ANYONE has to fight to get decent medical treatment is a travesty of a mockery. Why do these assfuckers who cause all of the problems always get treated the best?

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More evidence of prepping Giffords' mini-me:

"Christina Green is walking eagerly through a sun-splashed Arizona Saturday morning, a busy girl on her way to the next adventure. She is 9 going on 29, with mahogany bangs and one of those great third-grader smiles, with the grownup choppers looming in front and the baby teeth so teensy by comparison. She wants to be an adult 'so bad,' her babysitter has observed — but for now she's a just about perfect kid. She loves baseball and Beyoncé Knowles, and her daddy calls her Princess. For Christmas, she asked to volunteer at a soup kitchen."

[link to www.time.com]

"“Many of you have offered help. There is little that we can do but pray for those who are struggling. If you are inspired to make a positive gesture, consider two organizations that Gabby has long valued and supported: Tucson’s Community Food Bank and the American Red Cross”"

[link to communityfoodbank.com]

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Thought this was very interesting (from an older thread), and may tie in here:


I have been waiting for this post, google christina greene theres a photo of a grown woman same name same fucking facial fetures i dont know how to post the images here so ill post the links

It made stop n think hmmmmmmm

Exibit a: Adult
[link to www.beecavespediatrics.com]

Exibit b: child
[link to a57.foxnews.com]
[link to patterico.com]

Also they cant keep her fucking name straight is it Green or is it Greene

Im sorry but to me the resemalence (spelling) is to similar same eyes, nose, chin, facial structure

*shrug*

Id like opinions and if anyone can find out if this woman id deceased or not.

Thanks
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I've been exploring this idea a bit in another thread and I thought it was time for this go get its own thread.

I think it's possible Giffords has undergone a partial brain transplant into the body of a clone of Giffords born 9 years ago.

We've been cloning animals since the sixties, so a human clone is no hurdle today, it's readily accomplished. Sheep farmers have been doing it since the nineties. As far as I know there are no laws against human cloning, but there was a federal funding ban in the United States.

As for brain transplants, partial brain transplants have been successful in animals, so doing it in a human is plausible. The main hurdle to overcome is rejection. This rejection is mooted if you transplant into a cloned host. Throw in a few fetal stem cells to knit the brain tissue together and the rest is recovery. If you survive you become a walking advertisement for the service.

If you were going to carry this out covertly you'd have some explaining to do. You'd have to explain why the little girl disappeared. Presumably she'd be given a different identity, an adult in a 9 year old's body, the classic "if I knew then what I know now" scenario. You'd also have to explain why the adult's body suddenly underwent massive brain surgery and started acting lobotomized (at worst) or like a 9 year old (if they transplant the child's brain tissue into the adult body instead of throwing it out).

All of the technology described is well within our present medical capabilities, all that's required is the will to do so. If you were 31, and were given this option to radically extend your life at the expense of a clone grown just for you, would you take it? You'd have 9 years to think it over and 9 years to grow older all the while knowing that little clone of you is just starting its life.
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Dude, wtf??? Are you saying that the little "9-11" girl Christine was a clone of Gabrielle Giffords and her brain was transplanted to the original Giffords?? Or are you saying that already there was an ADULT CLONED Gabrielle Giffords, waiting to donate the brain to the original one???

Make yourself clear!!! The subject is delicate and this thread is a mess!!!
"Do or do not. There is no try." (Yoda)
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Thought this was very interesting (from an older thread), and may tie in here:


I have been waiting for this post, google christina greene theres a photo of a grown woman same name same fucking facial fetures i dont know how to post the images here so ill post the links

It made stop n think hmmmmmmm

Exibit a: Adult
[link to www.beecavespediatrics.com]

Exibit b: child
[link to a57.foxnews.com]
[link to patterico.com]

Also they cant keep her fucking name straight is it Green or is it Greene

Im sorry but to me the resemalence (spelling) is to similar same eyes, nose, chin, facial structure

*shrug*

Id like opinions and if anyone can find out if this woman id deceased or not.

Thanks
 Quoting: LunaLu

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People WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Why someone would transplant the brain of a possible clone of Christine Green, into Gabrielle Giffords head???? This doesn't make any sense at all.
"Do or do not. There is no try." (Yoda)
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Thought this was very interesting (from an older thread), and may tie in here:


I have been waiting for this post, google christina greene theres a photo of a grown woman same name same fucking facial fetures i dont know how to post the images here so ill post the links

It made stop n think hmmmmmmm

Exibit a: Adult
[link to www.beecavespediatrics.com]

Exibit b: child
[link to a57.foxnews.com]
[link to patterico.com]

Also they cant keep her fucking name straight is it Green or is it Greene

Im sorry but to me the resemalence (spelling) is to similar same eyes, nose, chin, facial structure

*shrug*

Id like opinions and if anyone can find out if this woman id deceased or not.

Thanks
 Quoting: LunaLu

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244550


hiding
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Dude, wtf??? Are you saying that the little "9-11" girl Christine was a clone of Gabrielle Giffords and her brain was transplanted to the original Giffords?? Or are you saying that already there was an ADULT CLONED Gabrielle Giffords, waiting to donate the brain to the original one???

Make yourself clear!!! The subject is delicate and this thread is a mess!!!
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The parts of the brains involved would be the parts that contain memories and personality. Both skulls would have to be opened up. After the transplant stem cells would be used to knit each transplant into its host. There would be no rejection issues because the tissue is all the same genotype. Even the stem cells could come from unused clone embryos.

The cloned child would presumably be prepped for her new life as an adult, one she knows and idolizes. She could even be told exactly what the end result will be without telling her that her skull is going to be cracked open and parts of her brain scooped out. They could just tell her look when you're 9 years old you're going to have an operation and be turned into an adult, it'll be just like in that movie.

The motive on the part of Giffords would be to extend her life span. The child could be promised everything, then given only enough to ensure the transplanted brain matter stayed happy. They could even implant devices to stimulate pleasure and pain to control the 9 year old intellect. Using such a reward and punishment system they could train that 9 year old's intellect to do whatever they wished.

Giffords herself could even wield the controls. Imagine that, being a 40 year old brain in a 9 year old's body, controlling the 9 year old brain that's in your old body. Can anyone think of a way to selfishly exploit such a situation?

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People WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Why someone would transplant the brain of a possible clone of Christine Green, into Gabrielle Giffords head???? This doesn't make any sense at all.
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I don't think you understand the idea, which is that Green is a clone of Giffords, that the two have undergone radical transplant surgery to put the mind of Giffords in the body of the clone and the mind of the clone (and god knows what else) into the body of Giffords. This will afford Giffords probably another 80 years of life or so, bringing a reasonable total of 120 years. By then perhaps they'll have the technology to make her immortal.
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I thought it was crazy at first, then I looked into it and found it's quite plausible, we have all the technology, all that remains is the will to do so. I know I'd consider it, but then at the last minute I'd change my mind because my clone would be so fucking awesome I'd let it keep its brain, and then I'd die of cancer during a swell of music and--roll credits!
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People WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Why someone would transplant the brain of a possible clone of Christine Green, into Gabrielle Giffords head???? This doesn't make any sense at all.
 Quoting: UndercoverAlien


I don't think you understand the idea, which is that Green is a clone of Giffords, that the two have undergone radical transplant surgery to put the mind of Giffords in the body of the clone and the mind of the clone (and god knows what else) into the body of Giffords. This will afford Giffords probably another 80 years of life or so, bringing a reasonable total of 120 years. By then perhaps they'll have the technology to make her immortal.
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Oh HELL NO!!!

Now u just be crazy...
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Ratcheting down of the coverage of Giffords' recovery:

"'As you have heard, Gabby is doing very well and with the intensive rehabilitation program planned for her at TIRR, we continue to be extremely optimistic in her recovery. The doctors, nurses and support staff at TIRR are among the best in the world. They have emphasised to us that this next phase is more of a marathon than a sprint. With that in mind, we ask that you respect our decision to reduce the frequency of medical updates going forward,' the statement said."

[link to www.dailytelegraph.com.au]

This article also mentions she still has an endotracheal intubation. Why?

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More for the coincidence theorists to chew on:

"According to Aarabi, 20,000 people in the United States die each year from gunshot wounds to the head. The survival rate is about 5 percent, with only 3 percent achieving a good quality of life afterward."

[link to www.baltimoresun.com]

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More ham from Hileman:

"'She was also the kind of girl who would wake up every morning and tell her mom, "Aren't we lucky mom? ...look at us, aren't we blessed?" And she wasn't being smarmy; this is who she was.'

And who she'll always be to Hileman. Since the tragedy, the Green family has checked in regularly on the Hilemans, offering to bring food or whatever else they might need. That's just the kind of people they are, she says."

[link to www.kold.com]

Normally it's the grieving family that's given food, they're not usually the ones bringing food to other people. It's almost is if they're thanking this Hileman woman, maybe for the bullets she took.

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More ham from Hileman:

"I remember lying on the ground holding Christina's hand and looking at her. And telling her to stay with me, and, 'I can't do this alone, sweetie, I love you, and stay here. Christina, Christina.'"

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

I haven't once seen Hileman mention seeing Christina being shot.

"Suzi Hileman said, 'Oh, yeah. I knew something was up with Christina, because her face, and her hair, and everything was just perfect and beautiful. But she wasn't talking. And she wasn't moving.'"

No mention of a sucking chest wound. If the bullet hit her heart or a major artery in the chest she would have died almost instantly. yet she was apparently the last to die, she died in the hospital. What exactly did that bullet hit in her chest that killed her? The paramedics reportedly did CPR on her, was it even a chest wound? CPR is a last resort in gunshot wounds in any case, it's almost never works. Why would they do CPR on her if she was alive on the scene and died in the hospital?

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More ham from Hileman:

"Suzi Hileman said, 'We lost a friend two weeks ago. I had a girlfriend, and she's not around anymore. Everybody can relate to that.'"

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Who is Hileman talking about here, young Green or Giffords? Neither of them is "around anymore". Is she inadvertently referring to them as the same person?

Did Hileman and Giffords know each other well enough to be "girlfriends"?

"A graduate of the College of Human Ecology, Hileman serves on a number of Cornell alumni councils. She is the director of the Cornell Alumni Admissions Ambassador Network for the Cornell Club of Southern Arizona."

[link to www.cornellsun.com]

Hileman is a graduate of Cornell.

"Tracy Neish ’01, treasurer for the Cornell Club of Southern Arizona, worked closely with Hileman on club events and served in Giffords’ Tucson District Office as an office manager during the summer of 2007."

It seems there are more than one Cornell alumni connected to Giffords and her campaigns.

"Giffords, who earned a master's degree in regional planning from Cornell in 1997 and serves on the President's Council of Cornell Women, was re-elected to her third term last November in a close race against Tea Party favorite Jesse Kelly."

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]
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"In the House of Representatives, Giffords has worked on such issues as immigration reform, embryonic stem-cell research, alternative energy sources and a higher minimum wage. On Jan. 6 she introduced legislation to cut pay for all members of Congress by 5 percent. She has served on the Armed Services and the Science and Technology committees."

[link to www.news.cornell.edu]

This kind of stem cell research would be of great benefit in partial brain transplants. Her position on the science and technology committee could very well make her privy to cutting edge medical technologies and radical life extension procedures like a partial brain transplant. The connection between embryonic stem cells and reproductive cloning is also apparent.

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The brain isn't a solid mass. actually it's alot like jello. Lets couple that with the massive undertaking of nerve transplantation... while it's still attached to the brain steam, Vessel re-anastomosis, reattaching bone ... the surgery on it's own merit is impossible. She would die from the wait, if not she would surely die for post surgical infections and swelling.

Brain swaps are not feasible with todays tools.
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Why would they do this for Giffords?

What is so special about her that they would go to this much trouble, OP?
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get a grip man. get away from glp for a while, you need reality break.




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The brain isn't a solid mass. actually it's alot like jello. Lets couple that with the massive undertaking of nerve transplantation... while it's still attached to the brain steam, Vessel re-anastomosis, reattaching bone ... the surgery on it's own merit is impossible. She would die from the wait, if not she would surely die for post surgical infections and swelling.

Brain swaps are not feasible with todays tools.
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Apparently you're a little behind the times, it's already been done successfully in other animals.

"TRANSPLANT SUCCESS REPORTED WITH PART OF A MOUSE'S BRAIN
AP
Published: June 18, 1982"

[link to query.nytimes.com]

This was 1982. How many years ago was that?

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Why would they do this for Giffords?

What is so special about her that they would go to this much trouble, OP?
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Somebody has to be the first, do they not? There was a first man in space, now we call those men astronauts. Giffords' husband is an astronaut. Is she now exploring a new frontier?

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