(OFFICIAL) JESUS: Who is Jesus? Please comment!

Isn't this the ultimate laziness? I do not have to change, because there is some sacrifice lamb, who does all the "work" for me. The ultimate ego trap and it's quite unlikely, that it works this way.

Where do you people come up with these lies?

We all need to be careful with material channelled through a medium; it is satanically inspired. Satan is very clever and there is a lot of truth contained in such material, in order to hook people into believing it....BUT most people don't understand that Satan, the father of lies, includes 1000 untruths for each truth revealed in order to distract and otherwise disorient well-intentioned people from the true path.

he is the first one
the one inbetween
and he is the last one

There isn't any talk about "magical" abilities in the Bible, the Koran and even the course in miracles, so despite, that this books may be quite useful in one way or another, i would take a look at Bardon, to get an idea, what it is all about.

If you need more information...correct information try this link. It is very enlighting. I beleive that Jordan Maxwell made a similiar documentary. Movie 2007 Zeitgeist
[link to www.zeitgeistthefilm.com]

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One of the main differences between Muslims and Christians is that it is a Muslim's DUTY to seek knowledge of his/her religion and to sincerely attempt to apply logical reasoning to all facets of everything learned. Most Christians, on the other hand, are not encouraged to ask any questions about their faith AND ARE ACTUALLY DISCOURAGED IN MANY CASES. An average Christian who is not a priest or scholar is discouraged from seeking the logical truth on many topics and often will be told "It is a mystery" and to have "blind faith."

The Messiah foretold of in the Old Testament was to be a DIRECT descendant of King David. While Joseph, Mary's betrothed, was from the direct line of David, Mary was not. Since Joseph was not Jesus' biological father, how can it be said Jesus came from the direct line of David? Mary was descended from Solomon's older brother Nathan and hence had a common ancestor with David, but did not come from the direct line of David's progeny. How many Christians wonder about this gaping hole and/or actually ask their religious leaders for answers?

Most Christians will come back with the answer that Jesus acquired the necessary direct lineage through Mary's marriage to Joseph or by Joseph adopting him. These answers are insufficient for those who rightly say DIRECT ROYAL LINEAGE FROM DAVID REFERS TO GENETICS/BLOOD AND NOT TO MARRIAGE OR ADOPTION. And then there is the glaringly obvious fact that Mary and Joseph were not yet married at the time of Jesus' birth.

From the Christian website: [link to gracethrufaith.com]

Q. I was wondering if there is a mistranslation in the bible regarding the lineage of Mary/Joseph.

God states that Jesus will be a direct descendant of David, but since Jesus’ Father is God, Jesus has to be a direct descendant of David through Mary’s lineage (otherwise there is no blood relation to David). In Matthew 1:2-16 it provides a ‘family tree’ that claims to end with “Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.” This indicates Jesus is connected to David only through the marriage of Mary to Joseph, who is then a descendant of David. This doesn’t make Jesus a DIRECT descendant…

Furthermore, Matthew 1:17 states “Thus the total number of generations from Abraham to David is fourteen generations; from David to the Babylonian exile, fourteen generations; from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah, fourteen generations.” By my count there are only 13 in the 3rd group.

A. Your question has a simple answer, but one that’s not apparent from Scripture. In Biblical times there was no word for father-in-law, just as there was no word for grandfather. Joseph can’t be the son of both Jacob and Heli. According to the Jerusalem Talmud (Chag. 77,4), Heli was actually Mary’s father making him Joseph’s father-in-law. The reason the two genealogies are different is that Joseph was descended from Solomon while Mary was a descendant of Solomon’s older brother Nathan.

So Joseph and Mary were actually cousins although many times removed. Since Heli had no sons, Mary had to find a husband from the tribe of Judah like herself to protect her father’s estate.(See Numbers 36) She also needed a direct descendant of Solomon to perfect her son’s claim to the throne of David, since Nathan’s descendants weren’t of the Royal line.

Joseph fit the bill on both accounts but like every other descendant of Solomon’s carried a blood curse disqualifying any biological son of his from ever being King of Israel.(Jeremiah 22:28-30) Since Joseph was not the Lord’s biological father, he could adopt Him, qualifying Him to be King without passing Him the curse.

Thus, because of the virgin birth, Jesus became the only one in Israel qualified to sit on David’s throne, and remains so to this day.

As far as the genealogies go, notice that the passage reads “fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.” (Matt 1:17) Technically the exile occurred before the reign of Jeconiah ended, so Matthew counted him again at the start of the third list, giving each 14 names.

jesus might have been an alien hybrid if he did indeed exist.

think about it,
he could walk on water
he died then was ressurected
he healed the sick


then again its just a fairy tail. he is not coming back and he never existed.

there good stories in the bible sure.

It doesn't matter, look at history, what will be will be, GOD CHOOSES, what pee-on mortals think doesn't matter, just look at all the wars and murder's and lies, shall we go on human's MURDERED JESUS the first time

Thank you for your concern, and I am sure you are sincere.
But you don't have to worry, this is absolutely real.

I don't really think this could be called "channeled" since Helen Schucman not only heard Jesus speak, but also saw Him while He was there dictating what she was to scribe.

Anyone who really loves Jesus will recognize Him just by looking at what He says in His Book.

It is not for everyone, because not everyone is ready for it at this time, and other methods will serve them until they are ready.

But Jesus says it is a REQUIRED COURSE, and we only determine when we want to take it.


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I have read "A course in Miracles" and the "Urantia" book. Neither is written by the prophet Jesus.

Hello,

I think it was great, and will help me a lot in my writings.

You must understand youare severely lacking in knowledge in that thereis no such thing as a "Jew":

Here are a few things i carry around with me, however you should Google and get some of your own, because i have some that are censored here:

This one youwill like; itis much like your writings:
Bishop John Shelby Spong:
[link to forums.prospero.com]

Thereis also one by Benjamin Freedman that i like and i think you will too. Itis titled "Jesus was not a Jew"

No Such Thing As a “Jew“:
[link to paminifarm.jeeran.com]

[link to resistance.jeeran.com]

More:
[link to www.overlordsofchaos.com]
and:
[link to www.sweetliberty.org]

Truth will set you free John 8:32

The Unknown History of Mankind... Origin of the Species, From an Alien View... Vatican Prepares for the truth about our Annunaki heritage!... ASTRONAUTS OF ANTIQUITY... Moses and the Spaceships of the Gods...Messiah - His Spaceships... Secrets of the Vatican - UFO's in the Ancient Art... Pope's star watcher to visit Nasa (12th February 2009) and talk aliens...FILM: UFOs in the Bible... ABRAHAM... MOSES AND THE SPACESHIPS OF THE GODS... Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah:
[link to cristiannegureanu.blogspot.com]

. . . in what language? From where did you get your information?

your an idiot

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega

If an adept has something to say, they almost always reincarnate here, a la Bardon. Muhammed saw an "angel" too, as well as Joseph Smith. Which doesn't mean, that this kind of books are necessarily "bad", but they tend to push you, in the wrong direction.

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so, what would a woman do with 72 virgins?

Hello,

I was taught that when Lucifer was with Father, in Heaven, his name was Lucifer, but after Lucifer's fall to Earth, Lucifer, Father's most beautiful angel, was then given a new name, and that new name was/is Satan. Father (God to you) does that a lot: He changes peoples' names - very Hollywood if you ask me . . .

Truth will set you free John 8:32

Jesus is not Lucifer . i dont know where you dumb bastards get your information, oh yeah from Lucifer, because only he would call himself Jesus

That comment is so massively off-topic, it doesn't require a response...

. . . The "Strong's" offers both Greek and Hebrew. Did you remember to look up the word in the Hebrew?

I have read "A course in Miracles" and the "Urantia" book. Neither is written by the prophet Jesus.
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tell me , what would a woman do with 72 virgins?
isnt that what they promise your human bombs?
well what do they promise women?

72 channels with nothing but soap operas
and all the chocolate they can eat?
i really want to know

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Hello FreedomStands,

I suspect some of these posters may be but babes in Christ, and still on the milk of the Word, which is exciting and fulfilling to me, so we best treat these little creatures with the utmust of tenderness lest we send them a-tumbling over any roadblocks we may accidentally lay down in front of them.

Thank you for your post it helped me a lot. I would love to study with you . . . to learn more . . .

Peace be with you.

Here is the proof, that the course of miracles, wasn't written by Jesus.

Hello,

Bet your are sensing that he is not 100% on all subject matter, but then how can he be? He isnot Jesus. He like all of us is still learning, so you should try to help him and make any corrections in a motherly/fatherly like manner, so as not to throw down any stumbling blocks in his path of growing in Christ.

I suspect youare still on the milk of the Word, but he is on the meat of the Word. You have a much longer way to travel than does he, yet his travels will also be very long.

Truth will set you free John 8:32

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tell me , what would a woman do with 72 virgins?
isnt that what they promise your human bombs?
well what do they promise women?

72 channels with nothing but soap operas
and all the chocolate they can eat?
i really want to know

We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish] Quran 41:31

...whatever you wish...pretty much covers everything.

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