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Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?

 
Richard Eldritch (OP)

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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


Why wouldn't you believe they had? Clearly they (the Mayans) had some impressive astronomical wisdom that we've only caught up with in the last century. The natives of South America developed incredible pharmacological tech in pyschodelics. The Hebrew Kabbalah provides a perfect map of the solar system. It's simply the hubris of modern science that rejects this wisdom.
 Quoting: Thelemic Messiah

Well thats rubbish isn't it? to compare a few star gazers to scientist with space telescopes is absurd.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Why those stargazers had an understanding of astronomy that simply did not exist in Western Culture until the later part of the 20th century.

You are wildly incorrect in your basic premise, Richard. A sorcerer should know better.
 Quoting: Thelemic Messiah

Oh Nonsense! They could oserve a few planets (not that they understood what a planet was of course) and some stars? hardly a theory of orbital mechanics is it?
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01/26/2011 08:32 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
You are wildly incorrect in your basic premise, Richard. A sorcerer should know better.
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He's not a sorcerer, he's a red injun. Harry Porter's a sorcerer.
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01/26/2011 08:38 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
What if the ancient shamans held ceremonies and used certain herbs that allowed them to contact God(s).

& What if monothiests killed them & made the herbs illegal to control the cultures, steal wealth and take slaves.


& the seeking the answers to these questions can be the journey of a lifetime.
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01/26/2011 08:39 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
You are wildly incorrect in your basic premise, Richard. A sorcerer should know better.
 Quoting: Thelemic Messiah

He's not a sorcerer, he's a red injun. Harry Porter's a sorcerer.
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Oh no, don't get him started on the Injun stuff again. Me um can't take it.
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01/26/2011 08:40 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
We must go back to the way of the TRUE POO.
Richard Eldritch (OP)

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01/26/2011 08:41 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
You are wildly incorrect in your basic premise, Richard. A sorcerer should know better.
 Quoting: Thelemic Messiah

He's not a sorcerer, he's a red injun. Harry Porter's a sorcerer.
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Oh no, don't get him started on the Injun stuff again. Me um can't take it.
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Draino! It um good firewater...
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
What if the ancient shamans held ceremonies and used certain herbs that allowed them to contact God(s).

& What if monothiests killed them & made the herbs illegal to control the cultures, steal wealth and take slaves.


& the seeking the answers to these questions can be the journey of a lifetime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 568763

What if it was all a load of cobblers from tripped out savages with nothing to entertain themselves with but symbolic fables?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



They definitely knew how to live longer and avoid disease, didn't they? Some of my ancestors lived a long time and they didn't die from diseases such as: diabetes; high blood pressure; heart disease; cancers, etc., they died from "natural" cause: old age.

The new stats are out on American longevity: it's DOWN. So much for modern "wisdom".
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing
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No Maya EVER said something about doom in 2012 ... it's ahoax the new age tards came up with.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
firstly Yep I agree.

Why would people believe this, well maybe there is an anti scientist/scientific vain in society???? don't know really. Suppose kind of linked to religeon. Religon may prime people to beliefs conserning ancient texts etc.

As a scientist I consider them to be ignorant fuckwits. Still science and scientists relies on all these fuckwits working and doing stuff etc to enable a small numnber to actually do some proper thinking.

So as a scientist I'd like to say thank you fuckwits for doing loads of stuff for me so I can do your thinking for you. Enjoy the fruits of the intellectuals produce (as in internet, xbox, medicine etc

Kind of like how pacifists can only really be pacifist in a society that has gun toting arsehole's to protect it. Pacifist=bitch
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



They definitely knew how to live longer and avoid disease, didn't they? Some of my ancestors lived a long time and they didn't die from diseases such as: diabetes; high blood pressure; heart disease; cancers, etc., they died from "natural" cause: old age.

The new stats are out on American longevity: it's DOWN. So much for modern "wisdom".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177209


Firstly bullshit, maybe very recently but 1000 years ago life span was defo much shorter. As regards all this disease non-sense, in the past cause of death was not categorised. So cancer is not a knew thing its just we know what it is now
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



They definitely knew how to live longer and avoid disease, didn't they? Some of my ancestors lived a long time and they didn't die from diseases such as: diabetes; high blood pressure; heart disease; cancers, etc., they died from "natural" cause: old age.

The new stats are out on American longevity: it's DOWN. So much for modern "wisdom".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177209

Again rubbish I afraid. Life expectacy in the modern world far outstrips any of the ancient cultures.The didn't have cancer? crap they just couldn't diagnose it.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



They definitely knew how to live longer and avoid disease, didn't they? Some of my ancestors lived a long time and they didn't die from diseases such as: diabetes; high blood pressure; heart disease; cancers, etc., they died from "natural" cause: old age.

The new stats are out on American longevity: it's DOWN. So much for modern "wisdom".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1177209


Firstly bullshit, maybe very recently but 1000 years ago life span was defo much shorter. As regards all this disease non-sense, in the past cause of death was not categorised. So cancer is not a knew thing its just we know what it is now
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Well done you first!
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Hello, I am an ancient TruPu indian, I have squatted many loafs that look more like a bakeable dark bread.
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01/26/2011 08:53 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



word is they were good at hart surgery.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
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not really I'd argue that the newagers have over complicted and antropamorphasised these ancient cultures.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



word is they were good at hart surgery.
 Quoting: TTX8K82

Not so good at getting them going again after ripping them out though eh?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
word is they were good at hart surgery.
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They operated on deer?
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
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not really I'd argue that the newagers have over complicted and antropamorphasised these ancient cultures.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

You do the same for the present decadent age.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch



Primitive savages? Looks like the Church succeeded in destroying the true history so people wouldn't feel bad about the wholesale destruction of an advanced society and their LIBRARIES of SCIENCE. Good work Christards.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Take the Mayan 2012 calender doom thing, Who would you rather operated on you, a Mayan Witch doctor or a top surgeon?
What is this "Ancients know the truth" thing all about?
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


I know this thread will whither into just another foppish exercise in meaninglessness, however I inclined to add one factoid so it doesn't degrade into pure folly.

I have seen examples of obsidian scalpels recovered from digs at both Tikal and Palenque that were assessed to be sharper and more refined that the best, modern surgical steel available today, and this of course after being buried for several centuries.

How this degree of sharpness was achieved baffles modern researchers.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
they were also into sports - only problem was the loser had to visit the hart surgeon.
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01/26/2011 09:04 AM
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

not really I'd argue that the newagers have over complicted and antropamorphasised these ancient cultures.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

You do the same for the present decadent age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

Not at all. We've been to the moon peered deep into the cosmos, our understanding of nature is acute; hence the advances in Biology,physics,chemestry etc. We're the most knowlegeable culture there has ever been by an immence margin.

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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

That's because he's just roll playing. He's really a muslamic american living in London with loads of guns.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
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That's because he's just roll playing. He's really a muslamic american living in London with loads of guns.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
The OP seems rather crude and simple-minded in his view of past civilizations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

not really I'd argue that the newagers have over complicted and antropamorphasised these ancient cultures.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

You do the same for the present decadent age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1012750

Not at all. We've been to the moon peered deep into the cosmos, our understanding of nature is acute; hence the advances in Biology,physics,chemestry etc. We're the most knowlegeable culture there has ever been by an immence margin.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

You overrate todays crude methods which are unable to achieve the high level of civilization without spreading filth to all parts of the environment. The water, and land, and the very air we breathe is poisonous because of the crude methods used by people today. What pigs modern men are. The ancients achieved their high civilizations without turning the planet into an open sewer.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Not at all. We've been to the moon peered deep into the cosmos, our understanding of nature is acute; hence the advances in Biology,physics,chemestry etc. We're the most knowlegeable culture there has ever been by an immence margin.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch

But our satellites can't even begin to compete with the satellites that the Mayans launched into space! It's just too bad that they couldn't develop pens and paper to leave us records of them. ;)
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
Smart is not wise. Wisdom is what is in short supply and so because it relies on truth as foundation.

I see little in the modern world to match the wisdom in the dialectic of Seven Generations.
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Re: Why would you believe that the Primitive savages had any wisdom?
you get my drift though,People seem to believe that in someway these ancient tribes knew things that we don't. I don't doubt they thought they knew but really they were ignorant.
 Quoting: Richard Eldritch


They could do things that we still probably can't do today in the sense of architecture. Like the stone walls at Machu-Picchu. How were the walls built?

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