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ZEITGEIST 3 : MOVING... WHERE EXACTLY?

 
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I just downloaded it tonight. Saw it. I'm not impressed. Actually, I'm almost concerned. There's a lot of things that demands explanation... and there is none.

If nature is a dictatorship, are we being proposed to live in one too? Is social dictatorship justification of a natural one?

And what exactly would do all those people who are out of jobs in those perfect cities? In exchange for what? Food and shelter?

Where can you go without currency in your pocket and with a car that is navigated from outer space? And its even not your car, but a public car!

This isn't socialism, this is worse than socialism. What values would such a society hold as its highest? I haven't heard a word about this.

Science alone can't be foundation of society. It can't hold us together, because we have different needs and we want to take different paths in life.

Do we all feel abundant and taken care of by this new power structure?

And who would run this future society? Zeitgeist 3 demands Zeitgeist 4. But I'm not sure I want to see it...
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The others were CRAP!!!!!
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they say everything would be determined by the public surveys.

what concerns me is they talk about needs only. like wants are some selfish behavior???

sounds like competition of any kind would be frowned on too. since we would all be "equal", would sports be looked down upon because at the end of the game you have a winner and a loser.
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Thank you for posting this. I'll check it out.
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I don't know about this last one, but I recently watched Zetgeist Addendum and I was quite impressed. I must say I agree with a lot of ideas proposed on it.
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they say everything would be determined by the public surveys.

what concerns me is they talk about needs only. like wants are some selfish behavior???

sounds like competition of any kind would be frowned on too. since we would all be "equal", would sports be looked down upon because at the end of the game you have a winner and a loser.
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It's funny, Zeitgeist 3 said very little in almost 3 hours. Now, this isn't exactly light topic. So to some extent it is understandable. But you don't go out in public with so many important issues untouched. You just don't. Even if it takes 8 years to make a sequel.

I'm not sure I'm for this "equality". But I am for non-violence. IF and only IF our guaranteed rights are respected. If you don't hold the other end of the stick, you're getting a beating of your life, sooner or later.
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Money, corporations, "the system", is only half the problem. Addressing these issues (as it attempts) still does not resolve the no. 1 problem and that is lack of spiritual connection/value in life.

Science and techno-cities will not save us, even the green movement will not, until we address our neurological problems as a species.

Once we get to the root of this problem, all other problems are naturally resolved, because all problems stem out of us being biologically damaged by culture/parents and us recreating this never ending loop based on fear.

Our survival techniques are what is killing us off.. fear based thinking courtesy of our reptilian brain stem/spinal column

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I don't know about this last one, but I recently watched Zetgeist Addendum and I was quite impressed. I must say I agree with a lot of ideas proposed on it.
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A lot of good ideas don't necessarily make a good plan when combined. Personal responsibility and moderation would make a HUGE difference without deconstructing anything.

We need revival of old values. Science yields no values what so ever. It only confirms or denies possibilities. We already had healthy relations. That's the part I agree upon. We need each other more than any commodity.
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Money, corporations, "the system", is only half the problem. Addressing these issues (as it attempts) still does not resolve the no. 1 problem and that is lack of spiritual connection/value in life.

Science and techno-cities will not save us, even the green movement will not, until we address our neurological problems as a species.

Once we get to the root of this problem, all other problems are naturally resolved, because all problems stem out of us being biologically damaged by culture/parents and us recreating this never ending loop based on fear.

Our survival techniques are what is killing us off.. fear based thinking courtesy of our reptilian brain stem/spinal column

[link to www.chinadaily.com.cn]
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That was exactly my thinking by the end of the first hour. There are layers of human being that need to be taken into account. Well said.
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All good points. I doubt you'll get any good answers out of Zeitgeist though.
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All good points. I doubt you'll get any good answers out of Zeitgeist though.
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Thanks. I'm still going to recommend it to my friends though.
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New Age utopia. It's a lie and clever way to promote the one world, cashless, socialist society the elite have been clamoring for, for years!
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51. Will there be a government?

As to the need for government, only during the transition from a monetary based society to a cybernated high-technological resource based economy of common heritage would it be necessary to utilize the services of systems analysts, engineers, computer programmers, etc. They will not dictate the policies or have any more advantage than other people. Their job will be to carry out the restoration of the environment to near natural conditions as possible on land and in the sea. They will also economically layout the most efficient way to manage transportation, agriculture, city planning, and production. This too is always in the process of modification and updating to fit the needs of an ever-changing civilization. There are no final frontiers.

52. What is the role of Cybernation as Decision Makers?

When computers eventually have sensors extended into all areas of the physical and social complex, we will be able to achieve centralization of decision-making. In a global resource-based economy, decisions would not be based on local politics but on a holistic problem solving approach.

This centralized system could be connected to research labs and universities, with all data monitored and updated constantly. Most of the technology needed for such infrastructure management is currently available. The major difference between today's computer technology and the system we recommend is that our system extends its autonomic nervous system (environmental sensors) into all areas relevant to the social complex. It coordinates a balance between production and distribution, and operates to maintain a balanced-load economy. This technology of industrial electronic feedback can be applied to the entire global economy.

For example, with electrical sensors extended into the agricultural region, computerized systems would manage and control agriculture by monitoring the water table, insects, pests, plant diseases, soil nutrients, and so forth. The information processed will enable us to arrive at more appropriate decision-making based on feedback from the environment.

Computers and artificial intelligence will serve as catalysts for change. They will establish scientific scales of performance. It is doubtful that in the latter part of the twenty-first century people will play any significant role in decision-making. Eventually, the installation of AI and machine decision-making will manage all resources serving the common good.

This will result in a more humane and meaningful approach for shaping tomorrow's civilization that is not based on the opinions or desires of a particular sect or individual. All decisions would be made on the basis of a comprehensive survey of resources, energy, and existing technology without allowing any advantage to a particular nation or select group of people.

This may be accomplished with large-scale, computer-based processors that can assist us in defining the most humane and appropriate ways to manage environmental and human affairs. This is essentially the function of government. With computers processing trillions of bits of information per second, existing technologies far exceed the human capacity for processing information and they can arrive at equitable and sustainable decisions about the development and distribution of physical resources. With this potential, we would evolve beyond political decisions made on the basis of power and advantage.

54. Is this what Karl Marx advocated?

Although Marx was a brilliant man for his time, he did not foresee the methods and advantages of a high-tech resource-based economy. Communism used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future. Perhaps through no fault of their own, they also had to maintain huge military expenditures to protect themselves from invasion of fascistic and capitalistic institutions.

55. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism?

Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.

56. How does this system differ from Marxism, besides the technological use?

Communism is a political system managed by a form of ideology, which does not necessarily relate to human or environmental needs. Communism uses money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders and uses indoctrination. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons, banking, advertising, stockbrokers, military, and government would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities would as quickly as possible be managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments. One of Communism's concerns is the condition of labor and the working class. The Venus Project's major concerns are producing products with limited labor and eventually eliminating labor and at the same time giving people all the amenities of a prosperous, high energy society. It is not our aim to produce a society that does nothing but enjoy leisure time. Instead people will be introduced to limitless opportunities to explore, create, participate, and learn.

57. How does this differ from Communism?

While communism is a much more humane social system than what we have today, we feel it does differ considerably from the direction we advocate. While Marx offered a bold new direction in his time, it falls far short of what can be accomplished with today's technology applied with human and environmental concern.

The Venus Project offers science and technology in the service of humankind on a global scale and eventually helps to eliminate all the artificial boundaries that separate people. The system uses no money and makes goods and services available without a price tag, debt, barter, or servitude of any kind. If we use our technology intelligently, we can create an abundance of goods and services for the entire planet. We use machines and automation to produce and distribute all manufactured products, which will be available at distribution centers to everyone. The purpose of this high technology is to free people so they can pursue their own interests and fulfillments.

We would surpass the need for human participation in the production of goods and services. There is no taxation or obligation of any kind. We advocate no government by human systems. They have always proved inadequate. Computerized systems and cybernetics would be applied to the social system and must comply with the carrying capacity of our global resources. The machines' main purpose is for the manufacturing and distribution of goods and services while maintaining a clean environment with service to all and profits to none. When people have access to resources, most crimes will disappear. The need for police, military, and prisons will eventually vanish with it. Of course this will coincide with the necessary changes in education. I hope this helps to clarify some points. We realize this is a simplified description of how it differs from communism.

64. Who makes the decisions in a resource based economy?

No one does. The process of arriving at decisions in this economy would not be based upon the opinions of politicians, corporate, or national interests but rather all decisions would be arrived at based upon the introduction of newer technologies and Earth's carrying capacity. Computers could provide this information with electronic sensors throughout the entire industrial, physical complex to arrive at more appropriate decisions.

[link to www.thevenusproject.com]
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51. Will there be a government?

As to the need for government, only during the transition from a monetary based society to a cybernated high-technological resource based economy of common heritage would it be necessary to utilize the services of systems analysts, engineers, computer programmers, etc. They will not dictate the policies or have any more advantage than other people. Their job will be to carry out the restoration of the environment to near natural conditions as possible on land and in the sea. They will also economically layout the most efficient way to manage transportation, agriculture, city planning, and production. This too is always in the process of modification and updating to fit the needs of an ever-changing civilization. There are no final frontiers.

52. What is the role of Cybernation as Decision Makers?

When computers eventually have sensors extended into all areas of the physical and social complex, we will be able to achieve centralization of decision-making. In a global resource-based economy, decisions would not be based on local politics but on a holistic problem solving approach.

This centralized system could be connected to research labs and universities, with all data monitored and updated constantly. Most of the technology needed for such infrastructure management is currently available. The major difference between today's computer technology and the system we recommend is that our system extends its autonomic nervous system (environmental sensors) into all areas relevant to the social complex. It coordinates a balance between production and distribution, and operates to maintain a balanced-load economy. This technology of industrial electronic feedback can be applied to the entire global economy.

For example, with electrical sensors extended into the agricultural region, computerized systems would manage and control agriculture by monitoring the water table, insects, pests, plant diseases, soil nutrients, and so forth. The information processed will enable us to arrive at more appropriate decision-making based on feedback from the environment.

Computers and artificial intelligence will serve as catalysts for change. They will establish scientific scales of performance. It is doubtful that in the latter part of the twenty-first century people will play any significant role in decision-making. Eventually, the installation of AI and machine decision-making will manage all resources serving the common good.

This will result in a more humane and meaningful approach for shaping tomorrow's civilization that is not based on the opinions or desires of a particular sect or individual. All decisions would be made on the basis of a comprehensive survey of resources, energy, and existing technology without allowing any advantage to a particular nation or select group of people.

This may be accomplished with large-scale, computer-based processors that can assist us in defining the most humane and appropriate ways to manage environmental and human affairs. This is essentially the function of government. With computers processing trillions of bits of information per second, existing technologies far exceed the human capacity for processing information and they can arrive at equitable and sustainable decisions about the development and distribution of physical resources. With this potential, we would evolve beyond political decisions made on the basis of power and advantage.

54. Is this what Karl Marx advocated?

Although Marx was a brilliant man for his time, he did not foresee the methods and advantages of a high-tech resource-based economy. Communism used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future. Perhaps through no fault of their own, they also had to maintain huge military expenditures to protect themselves from invasion of fascistic and capitalistic institutions.

55. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism?

Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.

56. How does this system differ from Marxism, besides the technological use?

Communism is a political system managed by a form of ideology, which does not necessarily relate to human or environmental needs. Communism uses money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders and uses indoctrination. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons, banking, advertising, stockbrokers, military, and government would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities would as quickly as possible be managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments. One of Communism's concerns is the condition of labor and the working class. The Venus Project's major concerns are producing products with limited labor and eventually eliminating labor and at the same time giving people all the amenities of a prosperous, high energy society. It is not our aim to produce a society that does nothing but enjoy leisure time. Instead people will be introduced to limitless opportunities to explore, create, participate, and learn.

57. How does this differ from Communism?

While communism is a much more humane social system than what we have today, we feel it does differ considerably from the direction we advocate. While Marx offered a bold new direction in his time, it falls far short of what can be accomplished with today's technology applied with human and environmental concern.

The Venus Project offers science and technology in the service of humankind on a global scale and eventually helps to eliminate all the artificial boundaries that separate people. The system uses no money and makes goods and services available without a price tag, debt, barter, or servitude of any kind. If we use our technology intelligently, we can create an abundance of goods and services for the entire planet. We use machines and automation to produce and distribute all manufactured products, which will be available at distribution centers to everyone. The purpose of this high technology is to free people so they can pursue their own interests and fulfillments.

We would surpass the need for human participation in the production of goods and services. There is no taxation or obligation of any kind. We advocate no government by human systems. They have always proved inadequate. Computerized systems and cybernetics would be applied to the social system and must comply with the carrying capacity of our global resources. The machines' main purpose is for the manufacturing and distribution of goods and services while maintaining a clean environment with service to all and profits to none. When people have access to resources, most crimes will disappear. The need for police, military, and prisons will eventually vanish with it. Of course this will coincide with the necessary changes in education. I hope this helps to clarify some points. We realize this is a simplified description of how it differs from communism.

64. Who makes the decisions in a resource based economy?

No one does. The process of arriving at decisions in this economy would not be based upon the opinions of politicians, corporate, or national interests but rather all decisions would be arrived at based upon the introduction of newer technologies and Earth's carrying capacity. Computers could provide this information with electronic sensors throughout the entire industrial, physical complex to arrive at more appropriate decisions.

[link to www.thevenusproject.com]
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On one hand they try to convince you how The Venus Project is nothing like communism, but on the other they jerk Marx off for being "brilliant" for his time, and how Communism is far superior to what we currently have.

The deception is obvious.
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New Age utopia. It's a lie and clever way to promote the one world, cashless, socialist society the elite have been clamoring for, for years!
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This does sound somewhat like Agenda 21. Which is disturbing in a way.
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51. Will there be a government?

As to the need for government, only during the transition from a monetary based society to a cybernated high-technological resource based economy of common heritage would it be necessary to utilize the services of systems analysts, engineers, computer programmers, etc. They will not dictate the policies or have any more advantage than other people. Their job will be to carry out the restoration of the environment to near natural conditions as possible on land and in the sea. They will also economically layout the most efficient way to manage transportation, agriculture, city planning, and production. This too is always in the process of modification and updating to fit the needs of an ever-changing civilization. There are no final frontiers.

52. What is the role of Cybernation as Decision Makers?

When computers eventually have sensors extended into all areas of the physical and social complex, we will be able to achieve centralization of decision-making. In a global resource-based economy, decisions would not be based on local politics but on a holistic problem solving approach.

This centralized system could be connected to research labs and universities, with all data monitored and updated constantly. Most of the technology needed for such infrastructure management is currently available. The major difference between today's computer technology and the system we recommend is that our system extends its autonomic nervous system (environmental sensors) into all areas relevant to the social complex. It coordinates a balance between production and distribution, and operates to maintain a balanced-load economy. This technology of industrial electronic feedback can be applied to the entire global economy.

For example, with electrical sensors extended into the agricultural region, computerized systems would manage and control agriculture by monitoring the water table, insects, pests, plant diseases, soil nutrients, and so forth. The information processed will enable us to arrive at more appropriate decision-making based on feedback from the environment.

Computers and artificial intelligence will serve as catalysts for change. They will establish scientific scales of performance. It is doubtful that in the latter part of the twenty-first century people will play any significant role in decision-making. Eventually, the installation of AI and machine decision-making will manage all resources serving the common good.

This will result in a more humane and meaningful approach for shaping tomorrow's civilization that is not based on the opinions or desires of a particular sect or individual. All decisions would be made on the basis of a comprehensive survey of resources, energy, and existing technology without allowing any advantage to a particular nation or select group of people.

This may be accomplished with large-scale, computer-based processors that can assist us in defining the most humane and appropriate ways to manage environmental and human affairs. This is essentially the function of government. With computers processing trillions of bits of information per second, existing technologies far exceed the human capacity for processing information and they can arrive at equitable and sustainable decisions about the development and distribution of physical resources. With this potential, we would evolve beyond political decisions made on the basis of power and advantage.

54. Is this what Karl Marx advocated?

Although Marx was a brilliant man for his time, he did not foresee the methods and advantages of a high-tech resource-based economy. Communism used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future. Perhaps through no fault of their own, they also had to maintain huge military expenditures to protect themselves from invasion of fascistic and capitalistic institutions.

55. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism?

Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.

56. How does this system differ from Marxism, besides the technological use?

Communism is a political system managed by a form of ideology, which does not necessarily relate to human or environmental needs. Communism uses money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders and uses indoctrination. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons, banking, advertising, stockbrokers, military, and government would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities would as quickly as possible be managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments. One of Communism's concerns is the condition of labor and the working class. The Venus Project's major concerns are producing products with limited labor and eventually eliminating labor and at the same time giving people all the amenities of a prosperous, high energy society. It is not our aim to produce a society that does nothing but enjoy leisure time. Instead people will be introduced to limitless opportunities to explore, create, participate, and learn.

57. How does this differ from Communism?

While communism is a much more humane social system than what we have today, we feel it does differ considerably from the direction we advocate. While Marx offered a bold new direction in his time, it falls far short of what can be accomplished with today's technology applied with human and environmental concern.

The Venus Project offers science and technology in the service of humankind on a global scale and eventually helps to eliminate all the artificial boundaries that separate people. The system uses no money and makes goods and services available without a price tag, debt, barter, or servitude of any kind. If we use our technology intelligently, we can create an abundance of goods and services for the entire planet. We use machines and automation to produce and distribute all manufactured products, which will be available at distribution centers to everyone. The purpose of this high technology is to free people so they can pursue their own interests and fulfillments.

We would surpass the need for human participation in the production of goods and services. There is no taxation or obligation of any kind. We advocate no government by human systems. They have always proved inadequate. Computerized systems and cybernetics would be applied to the social system and must comply with the carrying capacity of our global resources. The machines' main purpose is for the manufacturing and distribution of goods and services while maintaining a clean environment with service to all and profits to none. When people have access to resources, most crimes will disappear. The need for police, military, and prisons will eventually vanish with it. Of course this will coincide with the necessary changes in education. I hope this helps to clarify some points. We realize this is a simplified description of how it differs from communism.

64. Who makes the decisions in a resource based economy?

No one does. The process of arriving at decisions in this economy would not be based upon the opinions of politicians, corporate, or national interests but rather all decisions would be arrived at based upon the introduction of newer technologies and Earth's carrying capacity. Computers could provide this information with electronic sensors throughout the entire industrial, physical complex to arrive at more appropriate decisions.

[link to www.thevenusproject.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245891


On one hand they try to convince you how The Venus Project is nothing like communism, but on the other they jerk Marx off for being "brilliant" for his time, and how Communism is far superior to what we currently have.

The deception is obvious.
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Great. Thanks! You gave me something to read when I have my morning coffee.
This needs to be "plowed through" more than once. I might actually come up with some drawings. There's a lot to talk about, yet...
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I watched the movie and was only slightly impressed. Yes their "utopian" vision seems ludicrous. Just who is going to do the dirty jobs without compensation. And then there's the general distributions of goods. See, some goods are better than others. How would we decide who got the best guitar, for instance. The "best" player? Who decides that? Who gets the best bottles of wine? We're a long way from machines making Stradivarius violins, who gets those?

On the other hand, we can't keep going like we've been - the planet can't take it. At least the Venus Project guy is offering one vision. Instead of just bashing it with name calling ("Marxist!") how about people offer up some variations or different visions about a better future here on this little planet? Hunh? Maybe you guys shouting "Marxist" are employed by the moneyed elite? Hmmmm?
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On one hand they try to convince you how The Venus Project is nothing like communism, but on the other they jerk Marx off for being "brilliant" for his time, and how Communism is far superior to what we currently have.

The deception is obvious.

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On one hand they try to convince you how The Venus Project is nothing like communism, but on the other they jerk Marx off for being "brilliant" for his time, and how Communism is far superior to what we currently have.

The deception is obvious.
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Great. Thanks! You gave me something to read when I have my morning coffee.
This needs to be "plowed through" more than once. I might actually come up with some drawings. There's a lot to talk about, yet...
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Use due diligence when it comes to the Zeitgeist series. You'll come to your own conclusions, but do not blindly accept their ideals for face value.
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Beware the idealist and utopian thinkers.

They are capable of great evil.
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shitstreamZEITGEIST 3 fight
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New Age utopia. It's a lie and clever way to promote the one world, cashless, socialist society the elite have been clamoring for, for years!
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^^ this

It's the NWOs wet dream and all those useless idiots fall for it.
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Beware the idealist and utopian thinkers.

They are capable of great evil.
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Always were ... just look at the folks at Jonestown ... they drank the kool-aid, literally.
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Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - The Review

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they say everything would be determined by the public surveys.

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there will be a law that requires you to take 3 hrs of telemarketing calls per day and 2 on weekends to participate in all the surveys
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For the Venus Project idealisation of a utopian society to work it would involve a leap in human consciousness, the rejection of religion and beleifs, assumptions and values that are inherent in our sovereign national cultures as they are at present.

However, go back in time to a previous system, say 1800s in Europe and show them our technology...

So short of a rapid evolution in our understanding of what it measns to live in a trully spiritual society, I just can't see the current materialism culture allowing this to happen.

Many posts on this site reflect the small minded bigotry and pure selfishness of those that consider themselves 'free'. Yes, free to remain in the chains of slavery to the material.

It's shocking to be human, isn't it?
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Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - The Review

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Awesome review ... very watchworthy !
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Next time you're walking up and down the aisle of your neighborhood grocery store or Walmart think about this:

Hunger is a term which has three meanings (Oxford English Dictionary 1971)

•the uneasy or painful sensation caused by want of food; craving appetite. Also the exhausted condition caused by want of food
•the want or scarcity of food in a country
•a strong desire or craving
World hunger refers to the second definition, aggregated to the world level. The related technical term (in this case operationalized in medicine) is malnutrition.1

Malnutrition is a general term that indicates a lack of some or all nutritional elements necessary for human health (Medline Plus Medical Encyclopedia).


925 million hungry people in 2010.

When you are one of them you might feel differently.

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