A discussion of the Watchers, Original Hybrids: Giants, Nephilim-- Alien technology-- Appearance of God

sorry....no hypocrisy WHATSOEVER....

I said PRIMARY concern....I am talking ORDER....i don't begin with proper nouns....

LOL!!!!

Oh you wacky gnostics.

I hereby leave this thread to you.

Have fun talking to yourself.

I have no doubt you will.

"And He (Jesus) asked him (the man), "What is thy name?" And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion: for we are many."[1]

And it is clear from reading here that they aren't the only ones.

Yes Salt and Light...However, your thread topic is about a subject matter that survived the ages by being passed down in other writings and by verbal story tradition. It is a history that is not explained by the Bible or the book of Enoch alone. By limiting the discussion to only those texts that you agree with, you are discounting the secrets that can be gleamed from other writings such as children's fairy tales, Norse legends and mythology. I was going to share, but to be perfectly honest, you seem to run your threads a bit heavy handed and I shy away, as likely do a few others. No disrespect intended, just giving you my two cents.

i think ET is a modern term that fits nicely what we are seeing as demon activity. I do not think demons/fallen ones are from another planet, i think they are interdimensional.

i do not subscribe to a belief in life on other planets.

i think the use of vehicles is an interesting subject. i think fallen ones use them because they have to now. i think God and the angels do not need "chariots" but have used them as we see in book of Ezekiel and other passages. there is technology in use here, how it is ordained remains a mystery.

I for one don't find it "heavy handed" to attempt to stay on topic. In reading through the whole thread, I find so many people so sure they have some special truth that they just have to share with others no matter how far off topic.

And when no one thinks that they are as brilliant as they think of themselves, they call us ignorant, stupid, ill-informed, narrow, and other terms of dismissal.

I for one vote to stay on topic!

exactly and thank you.

gnostic books refer to any apocryphon of the New Testament.

I actually think angels do need vehicles or "containers" to interact with our density.

Job 1:7

The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

i would take this data and say this...

if pigs are hybrids, then they are the result of fallen ones mocking animal sacrifice to God.

Of course they are not solid state mechanical vehicles, spiritual technology.

my love and acceptance of all people has nothing to do with what you are saying.

i am neither a bigot or unloving to any people.

arrogance is the fruit of your post.

i am trying to help you, but your eyes are not open yet.

i am not here to change your beliefs.

but, i am responsible to speak the truth when asked.

if you ask me my opinion and about my knowledge, i will answer. this is my responsibility.

And again...keep in mind a horse represents a vehicle, a means of transportation. As do the chariots.

Zechariah 1:8-10

8During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, brown and white horses.

9I asked, “What are these, my lord?”

The angel who was talking with me answered, “I will show you what they are.”

10Then the man standing among the myrtle trees explained, “They are the ones the Lord has sent to go throughout the earth.”

i could agree with you here.

all animals share 99% genetic material.

it is the one percent that gives us the vital difference.

carnal flesh is carnal flesh

it was not Christians who declared the war.

but you bet God has a stance and holds to it for a certain time.

all believers are in the battle and are warriors who are instructed to don their spiritual armor.

agreed....

rude and hostile.

none of this is necessary.

hilarious, true, and hilarious. thanks me777

try and take a moment to think about that...

if we could make up our own mind's to be re-united with our Creator, how would that work?

this is a true statement. i agree with you here.

you saying this from an educated place? if Christian denominations are in error, you should be able to clearly point out the error and stand on your argument with passion and conviction.

what have you read? how do you know it is in error? what error stands out most in your study?

I'll take a stab at answering this question from a general point of view, as I am not the original poster regarding the error of all deominations...

I do not believe that THE CREATOR is the vengeful, war mongering, sacrificial 'god'. I do not believe in a real "person" called "Jesus." And this is why:


"6 For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice,
And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

7 But like Adam they have transgressed the covenant;
There they have dealt treacherously against Me.

8 Gilead is a city of wrongdoers,
Tracked with bloody footprints.

9 And as raiders wait for a man,
So a band of priests murder on the way to Shechem;
Surely they have committed crime.

10 In the house of Israel I have seen a horrible thing;
Ephraim’s harlotry is there, Israel has defiled itself.

11 Also, O Judah, there is a harvest appointed for you,
When I restore the fortunes of My people." Hosea 6:6-11


"11 “What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?”
Says God.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle;
And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.

12 “When you come to appear before Me,
Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?

13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.

14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.

15 “So when you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Yes, even though you multiply prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are covered with blood.

16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,

17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow." Isaiah 1:11-17

So we have at least two places in the Old Testament where Almighty God says HE HATES FLESH AND BLOOD SACRIFICE.

If so, WHY would HE sacrifice HIS CHILDREN???

Additionally, the concept of the 'resurrection of the dead' is NOT exclusively a "christian" concept, but actually came from the Jewish sect of the Pharisees, along with other concepts that are held as strictly "christian" today:

"The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. Copyright 2008 Columbia University Press:

Pharisees , one of the two great Jewish religious and political parties of the second commonwealth. Their opponents were the Sadducees , and it appears that the Sadducees gave them their name, perushim, Hebrew for "separatists" or "deviants." The Pharisees began their activities during or after the Hasmonean revolt (c.166-142 BC). The Pharisees upheld an interpretation of Judaism that was in opposition to the priestly Temple cult. They stressed faith in the one God; the divine revelation of the law both written and oral handed down by Moses through Joshua, the elders, and the prophets to the Pharisees; and eternal life and resurrection for those who keep the law. Pharisees insisted on the strict observance of Jewish law, which they began to codify. While in agreement on the broad outlines of Jewish law, the Pharisees encouraged debate on its fine points, and according to one view, practiced the tradition of zuggot, or pairs of scholars with opposing views. They developed the synagogue as an alternative place of worship to the Temple, with a liturgy consisting of biblical and prophetic readings, and the repetition of the shma, the basic creed of Judaism. In addition, they supported the separation of the worldly and the spiritual spheres, ceding the former to the secular rulers. Though some supported the revolt against Rome in AD 70, most did not. One Pharisee was Yohanan ben Zakkai, who fled to Jamnia, where he was instrumental in developing post-Temple Judaism. By separating Judaism from dependence on the Temple cult, and by stressing the direct relation between the individual and God, the Pharisees laid the groundwork for normative rabbinic Judaism. Their influence on Christianity was substantial as well, despite the passages in the New Testament which label the Pharisees "hypocrites" or "offspring of the vipers." St. Paul was originally a Pharisee. After the fall of the Temple (AD 70), the Pharisees became the dominant party until c.135."

This is just the TIP of the Iceberg... there's so much more...

I'll close with this lovely quote from a leader of the counterfeiters:

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
- Pope Leo X.

Sorry, gnostics believe we were created by another entity other than the HIGHEST. The reason for Jesus is, to come save all the willing and good before the consummation of the age when all evil is thrown in the lake of fire. Jesus is an aspect of God, they just didnt create us. Yaldoboath and his angels did. That's all.

very good synopsis of the gnostic belief-set. it is as blasphemous and far from the truth as you can get.

but that is my opinion. and i am not pushing it on anybody else.

On the day that Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, the land was dry and barren until a mist came up from the earth and wetted the land. Then Yahweh took dust from the earth and shaped it into the form of a man, and he breathed life into that form, and it came to life.

Yahweh created a garden in a place called Eden. In this garden Yahweh placed all the trees that bear fruit, including the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A river flowed out of Eden and watered the garden, and there it divided to become four rivers that flow to the four corners of the world. Yahweh put the man there and instructed him to cultivate the garden and to eat of whatever fruit he liked, except for fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Then Yahweh decided that the man should not be alone, and that he should have a helper. Thus Yahweh made the beasts of the field and the birds of the air, and the man gave a name to each of them. However, none were fit to be his helper, so Yahweh made the man fall into a deep sleep and took one of the man's ribs, and he made it into a woman. This man was Adam, and the woman's name was Eve.

In the garden was a snake, and the snake persuaded the woman that she could eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil without dying, and that eating the fruit would give her Yahweh's knowledge of good and evil. She ate the fruit, and she gave some to the man too. For the first time they were ashamed of being naked, and so they made aprons for themselves.

When the man and woman heard Yahweh in the garden, they hid from him, but Yahweh called them out and asked why they had hidden. The man explained that they hid because of their scanty clothing. Yahweh asked the man how they knew to be ashamed of nudity, and if they had eaten the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The man explained that the woman had eaten of the fruit and given him some too. When Yahweh asked the woman, she explained that the snake had beguiled her into eating the fruit.

Yahweh said to the snake, "Because of what you have done, you are cursed more than any other animal, and you will have to crawl on your belly in the dust, and you will be beaten by the offspring of this woman". To the woman Yahweh said, "You will be cursed with great pain in giving birth to children, yet you will have the desire to reproduce, and your husband will rule you." Finally, to the man Yahweh said, "Because of what you have done, the ground is cursed and you will never eat of this fruit again. You will grow plants and fields and eat bread until you die, until you become the dust from which you were made."

Then Yahweh said, "This man has become like us, knowing good and evil - next he will seek the tree of life and try to live forever." Therefore Yahweh made the man and woman clothing and drove them out of the Garden of Eden, and he placed a winged half-human, half-lion creature at the Garden's gate to keep them out.

sorry forgot source
[link to www.gly.uga.edu]

interesting....

The quote a couple of posts up is a re-write (personal paraphrase?) of Gen 2:4 - 3:24. Perhaps that AC is the geology professor from Univ of Georgia himself?

Edit to add: The most interesting part of that link is the first part:



Last Edited by Life and Love on 01/29/2011 04:57 PM

I know its a gnostic text but its relevant to the above post.

They became troubled because Adam had recovered from all the trials. They assembled and laid plans, and they said, "Behold Adam! He has come to be like one of us, so that he knows the difference between the light and the darkness. Now perhaps he will be deceived, as in the case of the Tree of Knowledge, and also will come to the Tree of Life and eat from it, and become immortal, and become lord, and despise us and disdain us and all our glory! Then he will denounce us along with our universe. Come, let us expel him from Paradise, down to the land from which he was taken, so that henceforth he might not be able to recognize anything better than we can." And so they expelled Adam from Paradise, along with his wife. And this deed that they had done was not enough for them. Rather, they were afraid. They went in to the Tree of Life and surrounded it with great fearful things, fiery living creatures called "Cheroubin", and they put a flaming sword in their midst, fearfully twirling at all times, so that no earthly being might ever enter that place.

[link to www.gnosis.org]

it was cherubim at the gate.... with fiery sword

wonder where he got that from?