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jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??

 
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at least one other witness account and i am sold.
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I agree, point taken 885
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Re: jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??
at least one other witness account and i am sold.
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Here is second account. PROOF!

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at least one other witness account and i am sold.
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Here is second account. PROOF!


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this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
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Here is a video of the 2 movies synchronized.

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Yeah, they do that. They flash before they disappear. Seen it.
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at least one other witness account and i am sold.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Here is second account. PROOF!


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this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
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Oh, pardon me. So these guys are in on a hoax where they have replicated the exact occurrences from 2 vantage points?

Do you realize how difficult that would be? I say once again your uneducated opinion is extremely depressing. If people like you walk the streets...we're all in trouble.
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this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


The size of the light wouldn't change AT ALL! Are you daft?
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at least one other witness account and i am sold.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Here is second account. PROOF!


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this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Oh, pardon me. So these guys are in on a hoax where they have replicated the exact occurrences from 2 vantage points?

Do you realize how difficult that would be? I say once again your uneducated opinion is extremely depressing. If people like you walk the streets...we're all in trouble.
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omg.... whatever

two men, two slightly different vantage points, two cameras.

believe what you want.

you are entitled to your opinion, and i mine.

i want to see a witness that is not within the group of the initial two men.
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this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


The size of the light wouldn't change AT ALL! Are you daft?
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if something is a mile in the sky then drops, the vantage point would change.... period. if you take one of those buildings on the ground and then send it upward one mile into the sky, the size of the building would appear smaller...

are you daft?
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For all you shills out there. Good Luck Trying!

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this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


The camera is perceiving the light as good as the lens can perceive it. So it doesn't mean the orb is the actual size as shown on the video, its just a lighting effect due to the camera.

Last Edited by bornofmaya on 01/30/2011 01:35 PM
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Here is second account. PROOF!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1242370


this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Oh, pardon me. So these guys are in on a hoax where they have replicated the exact occurrences from 2 vantage points?

Do you realize how difficult that would be? I say once again your uneducated opinion is extremely depressing. If people like you walk the streets...we're all in trouble.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1242370


omg.... whatever

two men, two slightly different vantage points, two cameras.

believe what you want.

you are entitled to your opinion, and i mine.

i want to see a witness that is not within the group of the initial two men.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Can you create a hoax as detailed and thorough as this? If so please do. I'll be ready to analyze your work.
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For all you shills out there. Good Luck Trying!

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For all you shills out there. Good Luck Trying!


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here is a thread about my own UFO experience.
i am not new to the idea.
hoaxers piss me off. they are adding detrimentally to an already difficult situation.

Thread: I had a huge UFO experience and need to hear from others if they have seen same...
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Re: jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??
this is not a second account...
this is from the second camara man.

the size of the light is the same from the sky to the ground. hoax.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


The size of the light wouldn't change AT ALL! Are you daft?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1242370


if something is a mile in the sky then drops, the vantage point would change.... period. if you take one of those buildings on the ground and then send it upward one mile into the sky, the size of the building would appear smaller...

are you daft?
 Quoting: Salt & Light


They are above the city and are elevated by about a 1/4 of the elevation of the object. So I suspect that the distance from the object changes by about 200 or 300 feet...not enough to see a change in size.
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Can you create a hoax as detailed and thorough as this? If so please do. I'll be ready to analyze your work.
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actually, i think i can.
i was looking outside my upstairs window last night, and in the neighboring field were some combines working in the evening light. they each had a bright light that i thought i could capture and then edit to appear as though it was floating in the sky.

i was a graphic production artist for 23 years. i know photoshop like the back of my hand. i am a photoshop astronaut.

if i had video software, which i think my son does, i might give it a try. it is not a quick thing to make.

when you look at the second video, the flash seems to come from the foreground.

if the orb is real, then when it descends it cannot be over temple mount. it is an optical illusion. it must be much closer.
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Can you create a hoax as detailed and thorough as this? If so please do. I'll be ready to analyze your work.
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actually, i think i can.
i was looking outside my upstairs window last night, and in the neighboring field were some combines working in the evening light. they each had a bright light that i thought i could capture and then edit to appear as though it was floating in the sky.

i was a graphic production artist for 23 years. i know photoshop like the back of my hand. i am a photoshop astronaut.

if i had video software, which i think my son does, i might give it a try. it is not a quick thing to make.

when you look at the second video, the flash seems to come from the foreground.

if the orb is real, then when it descends it cannot be over temple mount. it is an optical illusion. it must be much closer.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Wrong. Now you have 2 vantage points to make your calculations. Yes, they are only separated by 10 feet in distance and maybe 2 feet spread...with some real work you would be able to calculate the exact location of the object.

Get to work DEBUNKER... rofl !!!!!!
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the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
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Re: jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??
the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


If you saw it with the naked eye it wouldn't look the same. Its a lighting effect that only cameras can see, which is why some lights are similar.
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Re: jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??
the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


If you saw it with the naked eye it wouldn't look the same. Its a lighting effect that only cameras can see, which is why some lights are similar.
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yes, but with a trained eye, which is what i have, you can see the pattern in the light and the light rays that come from it in the video. they are identical. watch the activity in the light, the pattern in the sparkle and twinkle. it is identical.

i hope i am wrong. really i do.
hoaxers are a disease to real ufo evidence. it is hoaxers who are ruining the credibility for real evidence.
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the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Nope the lights are different especially if you looked at the zoomed view video. I say these guys are legit, and their video is witness of their account.
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Re: jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??
the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Trained eye? I don't think so. It's very difficult to replicate a cgi from another vantage point. Especially if you take into account the movement of the camera man.

I say you have over-analyzed and focused on moot aspects of the video.
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yes, but with a trained eye, which is what i have, you can see the pattern in the light and the light rays that come from it in the video. they are identical. watch the activity in the light, the pattern in the sparkle and twinkle. it is identical.

i hope i am wrong. really i do.
hoaxers are a disease to real ufo evidence. it is hoaxers who are ruining the credibility for real evidence.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


I just wouldn't come to any conclusions yet, because digital cameras are not a good basis for trained eye observations. Any light will sparkle and twinkle. Even if you record an airplane that is far away, it could appear to be an orb that is twinkling.

Last Edited by bornofmaya on 01/30/2011 01:55 PM
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the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Trained eye? I don't think so. It's very difficult to replicate a cgi from another vantage point. Especially if you take into account the movement of the camera man.

I say you have over-analyzed and focused on moot aspects of the video.
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its not CGI...

it is layered objects taken from actual footage of the ground lights.

man,.... my son is at work today. i need to hack a video editing program.

i am so tempted to just make my own version to prove how easy it is.
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the thing that bothers me the most is that the light to the left of the orb when it is ground level is the exact same image.

personally, i think that is the light that they copied to make this hoax.

focus your attention on that light. watch how it functions.

they are the same light.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Trained eye? I don't think so. It's very difficult to replicate a cgi from another vantage point. Especially if you take into account the movement of the camera man.

I say you have over-analyzed and focused on moot aspects of the video.
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its not cgi...

it is layered objects taken from actual footage of the ground lights.

man,.... my son is at work today. i need to hack a video editing program.

i am so tempted to just make my own version to prove how easy it is.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


I'd love to see you try and fake this. Not only will you fail (not being mean) but you will inadvertently reveal just how real these video's are.
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Re: jaw dropping film: UFO hovers over Temple Mount, Jerusalem-what does it mean??
its not cgi...

it is layered objects taken from actual footage of the ground lights.

man,.... my son is at work today. i need to hack a video editing program.

i am so tempted to just make my own version to prove how easy it is.
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I'd love to see you try and fake this. Not only will you fail (not being mean) but you will inadvertently reveal just how real these video's are.


i hope they are real....

that is a good point, trying to remake a similar event with video is a great way to debunk the situation.

i wish i had more experience with video. most of my training is with stills.

i might take on the challenge. just to see...
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Sorry last embed was a fail...
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And some more ... supporting the hoax theory though:


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Sorry last embed was a fail...
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reverse values... excellent.

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