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Do you know the Muslim God (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Christian and Jewish God?

 
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and you get your information from where OP?
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Yeah I agree....

Jeremiah 7:22

For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
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Which totally goes 180 in the face of Leviticus 6:9

“Give Aaron and his sons the following instructions regarding the burnt offering. The burnt offering must be left on top of the altar until the next morning, and the fire on the altar must be kept burning all night.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231298


Exactly. So if that wasn't God commanding those things, who was it...two options...the Levite priesthood (the rich people) who wrote the Bible, or the Ha-Shaitan. I will take the former.

And what did Jesus say?

"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law (Torah)," Jesus replied.

Mark 10:5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248706


There's a third option as well, and it's what I lean to - That the Bible is a mash up between similar faiths' doctrine. The fact that there are two very clear and distinct Genesis stories lends credence to this. Under this scenario, the contradictory passages could be broke down into two or more complete texts showing slightly different faiths.
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Or there is another option...God is all from our perspective...so it is only obvious his "book" should be a mirror of humanities wants and desires...

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Now check this out...

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

So what does the above mean? It means a wicked man will find wickedness in the Bible...it means a righteous man will find righteousness in the same book...the Bible is a reflection of the one reading it...IT IS A TEST.


Oh of course it is... a test... of course! LOL


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Which totally goes 180 in the face of Leviticus 6:9

“Give Aaron and his sons the following instructions regarding the burnt offering. The burnt offering must be left on top of the altar until the next morning, and the fire on the altar must be kept burning all night.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231298


Exactly. So if that wasn't God commanding those things, who was it...two options...the Levite priesthood (the rich people) who wrote the Bible, or the Ha-Shaitan. I will take the former.

And what did Jesus say?

"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law (Torah)," Jesus replied.

Mark 10:5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248706


There's a third option as well, and it's what I lean to - That the Bible is a mash up between similar faiths' doctrine. The fact that there are two very clear and distinct Genesis stories lends credence to this. Under this scenario, the contradictory passages could be broke down into two or more complete texts showing slightly different faiths.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1231298


Or there is another option...God is all from our perspective...so it is only obvious his "book" should be a mirror of humanities wants and desires...

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Now check this out...

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

So what does the above mean? It means a wicked man will find wickedness in the Bible...it means a righteous man will find righteousness in the same book...the Bible is a reflection of the one reading it...IT IS A TEST.
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Oh of course it is... a test... of course! LOL


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That deserves a fuck off huh? I knew I shouldn't have even joined this conversation. Let the pigs wallow.
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I am so sick of reading posts from people that say the Muslims allah is Satan and all sorts of other ignorant statements.

I am agnostic and don't believe in any of the earthy written religions BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT RELIGION HOW ABOUT EDUCATING YOURSELF so you don't look like a complete idiot.

The ISLAMIC GOD (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Cristian and Jewish God.

Jews don't believe Jesus came...

Muslims believe Jesus existed but that we was not a true prophet but MOHAMMAD is the true prophet.

THE GOD IS THE SAME GOD.

Most Christians are so brainwashed by their propaganda but yet don't even know hardly a thing about their own religion.

SO ANSWER THE POLL... don't worry I am sure most people that really didn't know will lie.

End Ignorance.... educate yourself of topics you want to discuss.
 Quoting: FloridaCaveDiver







I think you've been deprived of oxygen a few too many times.

Allah (the moon god), is a PAGAN deity. Do the research. Should take you about 2 minutes.

Also, Muslims DO believe that Jesus WAS a true prophet of God, but that He was not God, or the Son of God.

Additionally, Most Jews DO believe that Jesus came, but that he was not the Messiah.


You are the one showing tremendous ignorance, and making yourself look like a complete imbecile.
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If God is truly infinite, then there is not the smallest place, nor the shortest moment where God is absent. God, to be truly infinite, must (by definition) be everywhere, all times, with all life. There can be nothing that is not God, nothing that is not made of God, because in the beginning there was only God and nothing else - pure creativity. God already filled all of existence. There couldn't have been any room left over because if there was, then God wasn't nfinite. Thus, God only had Itself out of which to make everything God created and thus, despite the illusion of separateness, we can not actually be separate from God because there is nowhere else to be separate from God.
And look what humans have done!



Religion: From the Latin religare; French, relier; to unite, to bind together.
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Oh wow. Yeah, YOU are sure not indoctrinated now are you. Wow..... The words ARE there... instead of attacking someone and calling him HITLER why don't you explain away all of that next...

Is it just a "silly fun time" to IGNORE the things that don't "work" anymore and only use the convenient stuff.

THIS is why I think ALL religions are totally full of shit and the brainwashed drones that follow them are a direct example of how lame our species really can be.

Hitler.... funny. You are the one that sounds like a Bible Nazi...
 Quoting: FloridaCaveDiver


FCD, I'm afraid this was a lost cause before even the first response was made in the thread. There comes a certain point where calmer heads can no longer prevail. At that point, the only thing left to do is to step back and watch the two sides pummel each other while shaking your head in disbelief.
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and you get your information from where OP?
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Oh God told me of course.... *rolling eyes*

oh wait he is speaking through me now


"ooooflahhh midarrrr nar nar opppplllooo ololllll fffffololol offffla la la offfff lala la la mok mok mokm ohhhhhhh ofllla"


damn tongues gets me every time..... sigh.
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Re: Do you know the Muslim God (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Christian and Jewish God?
Allah is nothing but the Arabic word for God.

There is no difference whatsoever in the deity despite what Jews / Christians might claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248399

This is correct. Jesus called his father Allah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1079553





U R HIGH.
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The truth of the matter is, per ancient text documentations, Gabriel had a hand in creating both Christianity and Islam.

You can say that Gabriel Holds the sun in one hand, and the moon in the other..

The western cultures are mainly Christian and the Middle-Eastern Cultures are mostly Islamic.

Oddly enough the Gregorian Calendar is a solar/sun calendar except for one night a year... and the Islamic Calendar is a lunar/moon calendar...
In the Torah the sun is Father/male and the moon is Mother/female..

The three faiths, Islam/Judaism/Christianity come from the same father-line-Abraham but NOT the same mother..

Three moons/three mothers..
1.Moon/Hagar=Islam
2.Moon/Leah=Judaism
3.Moon/Rachel=Christian=JC/Joseph/Ephraim/reincarnated

However, Islam and Judaism do not worship a man as god and teach it idolitry to do such a thing..because man is not god..

It's only the Christians that worship a man as god.

Joseph the 11th son of Jacob dreamed the 11 sons plus the sun and moon would bow to him. Genesis 37:9
It was also Joseph's mother/3.Moon, Rachel who died of a curse Genesis 31:32, because she hid idols.Genesis 31:35

She was later buried in Bethlehem after the birth of Benjamin,Genesis 35:19 and Joseph died at the age of 110 and his bones were later carried up from Egypt during the Exodus and buried in Israel.Exodus 13:19

There is no Christian Satan that oppose the Great Eternal of Abraham. All creatures are His creation and subject to Him.
It is the Eternal that creates ALL THINGS, both good and bad, but Christains ignore this verse...Isaiah 45:7
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I think you've been deprived of oxygen a few too many times.

Allah (the moon god), is a PAGAN deity. Do the research. Should take you about 2 minutes.

Also, Muslims DO believe that Jesus WAS a true prophet of God, but that He was not God, or the Son of God.

Additionally, Most Jews DO believe that Jesus came, but that he was not the Messiah.


You are the one showing tremendous ignorance, and making yourself look like a complete imbecile.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185428


Read the thread, YHWH is the Thunder God.. blah blah.. Pagan = any deity that is not called by the same name as yours regardless of equal claims of validity.

You yourself just described Muslims and Jews by the same definition.. It's all one big dysfunctional family.
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Oh wow. Yeah, YOU are sure not indoctrinated now are you. Wow..... The words ARE there... instead of attacking someone and calling him HITLER why don't you explain away all of that next...

Is it just a "silly fun time" to IGNORE the things that don't "work" anymore and only use the convenient stuff.

THIS is why I think ALL religions are totally full of shit and the brainwashed drones that follow them are a direct example of how lame our species really can be.

Hitler.... funny. You are the one that sounds like a Bible Nazi...
 Quoting: FloridaCaveDiver


FCD, I'm afraid this was a lost cause before even the first response was made in the thread. There comes a certain point where calmer heads can no longer prevail. At that point, the only thing left to do is to step back and watch the two sides pummel each other while shaking your head in disbelief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248706


Good point. I think I am done here. :)

PS: I kind of had a feeling what was going to happen when I posted it in the first place... ;)

One thing that is a given in this Universe... those that BELIEVE their religion (which one happens to be where you were born on the planet and which story your parents used to brainwash you) and will fight to the death to defend it, even if they themselves have questions about it which they will never openly admit.

Politics & Religion ... once someone aligns with one rarely shall they ever change paths.

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Allah is nothing but the Arabic word for God.

There is no difference whatsoever in the deity despite what Jews / Christians might claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248399

This is correct. Jesus called his father Allah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1079553





U R HIGH.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185428


HOW HIGH?

The word Eloah is the singular (or dual) of Elohim and appears more than 70 times in the Tanakh, primarily in more poetic passages. The root-meaning of the word is unknown. It is generally thought that the same divine name is found in Arabic (Ilah as singular "a god", as opposed to Allah meaning "The God" or "God") and in Aramaic (Elah).

[link to www.hebrew4christians.com]
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Re: Do you know the Muslim God (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Christian and Jewish God?
The truth of the matter is, per ancient text documentations, Gabriel had a hand in creating both Christianity and Islam.

You can say that Gabriel Holds the sun in one hand, and the moon in the other..

The western cultures are mainly Christian and the Middle-Eastern Cultures are mostly Islamic.

Oddly enough the Gregorian Calendar is a solar/sun calendar except for one night a year... and the Islamic Calendar is a lunar/moon calendar...
In the Torah the sun is Father/male and the moon is Mother/female..

The three faiths, Islam/Judaism/Christianity come from the same father-line-Abraham but NOT the same mother..

Three moons/three mothers..
1.Moon/Hagar=Islam
2.Moon/Leah=Judaism
3.Moon/Rachel=Christian=JC/Joseph/Ephraim/reincarnated

However, Islam and Judaism do not worship a man as god and teach it idolitry to do such a thing..because man is not god..

It's only the Christians that worship a man as god.

Joseph the 11th son of Jacob dreamed the 11 sons plus the sun and moon would bow to him. Genesis 37:9
It was also Joseph's mother/3.Moon, Rachel who died of a curse Genesis 31:32, because she hid idols.Genesis 31:35

She was later buried in Bethlehem after the birth of Benjamin,Genesis 35:19 and Joseph died at the age of 110 and his bones were later carried up from Egypt during the Exodus and buried in Israel.Exodus 13:19

There is no Christian Satan that oppose the Great Eternal of Abraham. All creatures are His creation and subject to Him.
It is the Eternal that creates ALL THINGS, both good and bad, but Christains ignore this verse...Isaiah 45:7
 Quoting: Al-Ling 1248767



Very well put..

And Christians ignore that verse because having a boogey man ups their conversion rate.
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Good point. I think I am done here. :)

PS: I kind of had a feeling what was going to happen when I posted it in the first place... ;)

One thing that is a given in this Universe... those that BELIEVE their religion (which one happens to be where you were born on the planet and which story your parents used to brainwash you) and will fight to the death to defend it, ever if they themselves have questions about it which they will never openly admit.

Politics & Religion ... one someone aligns with one rarely shall they ever change paths.
 Quoting: FloridaCaveDiver


Very true my friend! Sit back and try not to catch a wild left hook.

hf
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One God, one creator, and you can call him whatever feels comfortable to you.
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the posters here with the seriously distorted version of what the Bible says really ruin it for the average person.

Don't give up on God because of these representatives.

The Bible is nothing like they portray it.

There is a cohesive story and it does make sense. Unfortunately, most of the churches (all of the US churches?) have been seriously corrupted.

I feel pity for these posters.

Thanks for sharing OP

hf
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Thanks for the thread. Yes knew this. Too many ignorant people don't realize this though.
Don't feed the trolls.
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Who's got God's cell number?

Let's straighten this shit out right now!
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I do its 666-666-6969
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The truth of the matter is, per ancient text documentations, Gabriel had a hand in creating both Christianity and Islam.

You can say that Gabriel Holds the sun in one hand, and the moon in the other..

The western cultures are mainly Christian and the Middle-Eastern Cultures are mostly Islamic.

Oddly enough the Gregorian Calendar is a solar/sun calendar except for one night a year... and the Islamic Calendar is a lunar/moon calendar...
In the Torah the sun is Father/male and the moon is Mother/female..

The three faiths, Islam/Judaism/Christianity come from the same father-line-Abraham but NOT the same mother..

Three moons/three mothers..
1.Moon/Hagar=Islam
2.Moon/Leah=Judaism
3.Moon/Rachel=Christian=JC/Joseph/Ephraim/reincarnated

However, Islam and Judaism do not worship a man as god and teach it idolitry to do such a thing..because man is not god..

It's only the Christians that worship a man as god.

Joseph the 11th son of Jacob dreamed the 11 sons plus the sun and moon would bow to him. Genesis 37:9
It was also Joseph's mother/3.Moon, Rachel who died of a curse Genesis 31:32, because she hid idols.Genesis 31:35

She was later buried in Bethlehem after the birth of Benjamin,Genesis 35:19 and Joseph died at the age of 110 and his bones were later carried up from Egypt during the Exodus and buried in Israel.Exodus 13:19

There is no Christian Satan that oppose the Great Eternal of Abraham. All creatures are His creation and subject to Him.
It is the Eternal that creates ALL THINGS, both good and bad, but Christains ignore this verse...Isaiah 45:7
 Quoting: Al-Ling 1248767



Very well put..

And Christians ignore that verse because having a boogey man ups their conversion rate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248706


It doesn't fit Christian ideology of the perfect man/god, who would behave with both characteristics. They want to see JC as only good.
But that alone proves JC is not G-d because Abraham's G-d is not man, only Spirit and is master of ALL THINGS both good and bad.
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I respect what you are trying to do FloridaCaveDiver, but as the old saying goes, you cannot argue with a fool.

People are going to believe, what they are set in their hearts to believe.

It does not matter that the truth is that ALL Arabic speaking members of the three Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".

The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'. Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.

Arab Christians for example use terms Allah alab meaning God the Father, Allah al-ibn means God the Son, and Allah al-ral-quds meaning God the Holy Spirit.

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How to fire people up into a frenzy (any one will do):

(1) Challenge their religious beliefs, even slightly
(2) Close McDonalds
(3) Turn of the Internet
(4) End professional sports
(5) Cancel American Idol
(6) Make booze illegal

#1 is presently in effect.
 Quoting: FloridaCaveDiver

Or claim that Muslims think allah is a prophet...LOL!
 Quoting: mathetes


I intended to type that they believe "mohammad is the last true prophet"...

I stand corrected I did not intend to say allah.
 Quoting: FloridaCaveDiver


Anyone with half a brain would have recognized that.
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Allah the MOON "god"

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
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SO SMART SIKE

Allah has no sex to it...its neither masculine nor feminine...2nd Jesus said if you go watch the Passion or read aramaic he had to go away from Mahanama to come in...Mahanama is a name and not the word helper...its ahmed...muhammed...3rd...as an ex christian now Muslim i have read the Torah Bible Quran multiple times...Who is the person who would be like moses who couldnt read bringing the good news...? Jesus? He was nothing like Moses...in fact if you look at Christianity it is so paganized its not even funny from Saturnalia to Eostre...The bible says that stupid ppl take trees from the wood and DECK it with SILVER AND GOLD AND THAT THEY ARE THE LOSERS...what do Christians do every christmas on Horus bday...and then Christians say we took the pagan out of it and made it bout God and God said they say its to honor me and i do not take it for honor but as blasphemy...you know you all have opinions but refuse to pick up a quran and read it...yet your so ready to convert ppl to the one world religion of Satan...keep thinking...keep reading...the new testament contradicts it self...the holy spirit murked the 1st borns in Egypt the Holy spirt "impregnated" mary...so the holy spirit was already there...In Hebrew Elah means God in sigular Elohim in plural Elah Allah Alleluyah God has an abundance of names like stated before God is the ocean and your brains are one cup...you can only take a cup full and everyone will try to say there cups are better than others...forgettin it all came from the same ocean...we molly coddle jews who if they were our kids you be whoopin that ass all day everyday for how much they disobeyed...this whole forum is a joke full of payed idiots to sit here and start shit...and then religious fanatics who come on here and say they know this or know that but never anyone saying i have fully read every word of each book and sat back logically and thought about it instead of letting google or wikipedia answer...and if Allah is still a moon God he sure enough told you way more about yourselfs than the bible does from birth the the solar system to the galaxies to the jinn to how the world works..to how animals submit praise...etc...You my sweet beautiful friends...have all been duped...its not about a title of religion...its about ONE GOD INDIVISIBLE NO PARTNERS...otherwise how come Jesus was never mentioned by name in the Old...but Muhammed was...Jesus is the Messiah...who will break the cross when he comes back and witness agaisnt the people who say he said he was God...id hope not to be on that side...cuz He never said that so keep looking for the truth...until then enjoy the slumber
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I respect what you are trying to do FloridaCaveDiver, but as the old saying goes, you cannot argue with a fool.

People are going to believe, what they are set in their hearts to believe.

It does not matter that the truth is that ALL Arabic speaking members of the three Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".

The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'. Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.

Arab Christians for example use terms Allah alab meaning God the Father, Allah al-ibn means God the Son, and Allah al-ral-quds meaning God the Holy Spirit.
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Bismillah Brother
Thank you for being awake
Inshallah God will bless you
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And all it comes down to story in Genesis about Isaac blessing Jacob instead of Esau. The descendents of Jacob formed what we know as the Jewish religion of today whilst Esau's descendents (changed named to Edom) and founded the Edomites.

Interesting breakdown [link to en.allexperts.com]


Here is a site where a rabbi is asking for all the Abrahamic religions to come together in peace. [link to rabbibrian.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes



^^^ Nobody interested in what caused the split? ^^^

Comes down to something as simple as sibling rivalry and passing down the grudge over many generations.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes



Abraham doubted God that his seed would bring forth many nations, as he was old and his wife was near 100. So he slept with his wives maid, and had the illegitimate son Ishmael. God told Abraham, no don't think so go back and sleep with your wife this time, and believe on what I said. So he did and out came Isaac. The blessing went to him.

God still chose to bless Ishmael to assure his mother Hagar that he would to be made a nation.
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The truth of the matter is, per ancient text documentations, Gabriel had a hand in creating both Christianity and Islam.

You can say that Gabriel Holds the sun in one hand, and the moon in the other..

The western cultures are mainly Christian and the Middle-Eastern Cultures are mostly Islamic.

Oddly enough the Gregorian Calendar is a solar/sun calendar except for one night a year... and the Islamic Calendar is a lunar/moon calendar...
In the Torah the sun is Father/male and the moon is Mother/female..

The three faiths, Islam/Judaism/Christianity come from the same father-line-Abraham but NOT the same mother..

Three moons/three mothers..
1.Moon/Hagar=Islam
2.Moon/Leah=Judaism
3.Moon/Rachel=Christian=JC/Joseph/Ephraim/reincarnated

However, Islam and Judaism do not worship a man as god and teach it idolitry to do such a thing..because man is not god..

It's only the Christians that worship a man as god.

Joseph the 11th son of Jacob dreamed the 11 sons plus the sun and moon would bow to him. Genesis 37:9
It was also Joseph's mother/3.Moon, Rachel who died of a curse Genesis 31:32, because she hid idols.Genesis 31:35

She was later buried in Bethlehem after the birth of Benjamin,Genesis 35:19 and Joseph died at the age of 110 and his bones were later carried up from Egypt during the Exodus and buried in Israel.Exodus 13:19

There is no Christian Satan that oppose the Great Eternal of Abraham. All creatures are His creation and subject to Him.
It is the Eternal that creates ALL THINGS, both good and bad, but Christains ignore this verse...Isaiah 45:7
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This shit is good stuff. You got a website?
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They all end prayers with amen...hmmm...amen who? Amen RA possibly?
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Re: Do you know the Muslim God (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Christian and Jewish God?
pointless drivel by most of you...
all is; really, think the supreme being...
that which all that is really cares about any of this nonsense? in the grand scheme of all things, this is nothing but a spec of sand within a desert... a split second in time
pointless babbling... pointless babylon ?
both religions have their faults...
as with all of you, and I...
not all is the same in entirety, then it would just be too boring
i say onto you all, be the change you would like to see in the world... your thoughts shape the world collectively.
dispel your blind hatred...

the op has a point though. both of the gods of these two religions are pretty malicious. I am glad neither, if not one in the same, is my god...
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Re: Do you know the Muslim God (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Christian and Jewish God?
Allah the MOON "god"

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
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here we are
i can't belief this ignorant..
first you must know the moon god called Hubal and it was one of 360 idol's around kaaba ..
the name Allah come from Ishmael son of Ibraham as the specific name of GOD ..
and the must important thing IF ALLAH WAS the MOON GOD and Mohammed peace be upon him come to the Arab pagan and told them you must worship the moon GOD like what you said WHY then the Arab fight Mohammed And his follows while they originally worshiped the Moon God ...
Also referring to the Quran, it is clearly stated the distinction between Allah and the moon.

Allah said in the holy Quran
"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him."
[Noble Quran 41:37]

and OP muslims never said that Jesus Christ not true prophet
in fact Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet like Moses and Muhammad and he is the Messiah and in the Quran a lots of verses mention Jesus son of Mary as prophat and muslim can't be muslim if he don't believe in Jesus son of mary as a prophet
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The Muslims do not believe it is...or else they would never kill a Christian for being an infidel.jihad2
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Re: Do you know the Muslim God (allah) is the SAME GOD as the Christian and Jewish God?
Jesus Christ , a Jew for Allah

Jesus a Jew by race, was a Muslim by religion, A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.

Regarding the Islamic teachings of Jesus:

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Jesus called God "Alayho" in Aramaic.
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Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}
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Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}
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Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do.
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Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting our will to God and Faith as Muslims do.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

* Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator]." (Mark 13:32)

* Jesus taught he is just a servant of God as Muslims are:

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]

* Jesus said the word "Muslim" in Luke 6:40, and told others to be a Muslim:

Aramaic translated into Hebrew: "Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."

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Taken from the Aramaic Bible society.

Translation in English: "No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."

In addition to the Bible confirming Jesus was a Jew for Allah, the Holy Qur'an also clarifies that Jesus followed Allah:

"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." {Holy Quran 5:116}

In conclusion, Jesus Christ is a Jew for Allah.

Peace

[link to www.jews-for-allah.org]

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