How can smart people take up positions that defy any reasonable logic?

Is this post about yourself hazzard, your obviously not dumb and I agree with you on a lot of your debunking tirades.... however there is one you consistantly get your butt kicked on and no matter how much obvious evidence is presented to you you still deny they exist, that is of course..... chemtrails
Now I don´t know what they are, or buy into half the theories of why they are there, I just know from what I see with my own two eyes and that is something strange is going on.

High IQ = Ability to see through the vails.
Low IQ =

Ask any Democrat. They have been following or promoting the Socialist lie since King Delano squatted on his throne.

NO problem, Hazzard. You demonstrate this ability in most every thread.
Why don´t you kiss you momma ?

Maybe she will kiss you back !

TAKE the leap, whinner !

flip. user 7350.

How can you tell me that I´m getting my butt kicked about chemtrails,and in the same sentence you write... "Now I don´t know what they are".


And then you go on with...

"I just know from what I see with my own two eyes and that is something strange is going on."


If you se something "strange" that you don´t understand,does that automatically mean that theres an evil conspiracy,in this case,to poison mankind.

Get a grip.

Hazzard 7350 is being honest and i find that welcome and refreshing in it´s self...

He may not have spend the time digging and investigating the chemtrail phenomina as long as others and is still of a wondering nature about them.

I have on the other hand spend many long hours and days reading the wealth of information that is out there pertaining to chemtrails.

Hazzard give it the freak up... Chemtrails for whatever reason or purpose are not contrails.

Bottom line is that
that is all that is worth the sake of arguement as far as i am concerned anyway Chemtrails or different than contrails.. BIG TIME

"as far as i am concerned anyway Chemtrails are different than contrails.. BIG TIME"


You are right DEE,contrails are real and chemtrails are not.


"I have on the other hand spend many long hours and days reading the wealth of information that is out there pertaining to chemtrails."


What a waist of time,sense they don´t exist.

And you have on numerous occasions contradicted and debunked your self on the chemtrail debate,I on the other hand HAVE NOT(I´m not saying that I´m smarter, I´m saying that reality is easier to deal with than the silly fantasy that is chemtrails.

Getting back on the chemtrail issue hazzard, you might want to reread the original post in this thread.

Chemtrails are real, but YOU are the one trying to say that the reason is to poison everybody when clearly that is not the case.

Hazzard constantly going back to chemtrails "being a sinister plot to poison mankind" is just him using a straw man instead of dealing with real evidence that he cannot refute. This is the same reason he likes to bring up Planet X when talking about most conspiracies.

The Straw Man is a type of Red Herring because the arguer is attempting to refute his opponent´s position, and in the context is required to do so, but instead attacks a position—the "straw man"—not held by his opponent. In a Straw Man argument, the arguer argues to a conclusion that denies the "straw man" he has set up, but misses the target. There may be nothing wrong with the argument presented by the arguer when it is taken out of context, that is, it may be a perfectly good argument against the straw man. It is only because the burden of proof is on the arguer to argue against the opponent´s position that a Straw Man fallacy is committed. So, the fallacy is not simply the argument, but the entire situation of the argument occurring in such a context.

As the "straw man" metaphor suggests, the counterfeit position attacked in a Straw Man argument is typically weaker than the opponent´s actual position, just as a straw man is easier to defeat than a flesh-and-blood one. Of course, this is no accident, but is part of what makes the fallacy tempting to commit, especially to a desperate debater who is losing an argument. Thus, it is no surprise that arguers seldom misstate their opponent´s position so as to make it stronger. Of course, if there is an obvious way to make a debating opponent´s position stronger, then one is up against an incompetent debater. Debaters usually try to take the strongest position they can, so that any change is likely to be for the worse. However, attacking a logically stronger position than that taken by the opponent is a sign of strength, whereas attacking a straw man is a sign of weakness.

16277.
"Getting back on the chemtrail issue hazzard, you might want to reread the original post in this thread."


Well,sense It was I who started this thread I´m well aware of the first post.

I just commented on the chemtrail issue because DEE brought it up,you got a problem with that?

16277.
"Hazzard constantly going back to chemtrails "being a sinister plot to poison mankind"

Lets hear your theory then....."why the evil spraying"?

Excellent post, thank you!

Poor hazzard....you keep forgetting that the debate you started was whether or not they existed, not what their purpose was. Every time someone could show proof that chemtrails were something recent and intentional, you pull out the straw man and start ranting that everyone who disagrees with you believes that chemtrails are a sinister plot to poison mankind. Do you see now how stupid you are?

16277.
"real evidence"

:-)

Are you talking about looking up in the sky,at SOMETHING YOU DON´T UNDERSTAND going...

-Hmmm,I wonder what that is!

It must be a space ship from another planet or a government secret plan to do something to mankind or the weather or.....

You guys are funny.



Again.

Lets hear your theory then....."why the evil spraying"?

The problem with smart people is that they like to be right and sometimes will defend ideas to the death rather than admit they’re wrong.


You described yourself perfectly. You´re wrong on Chemtrails.

But why do you care so much? If they don´t exist, and we´re deluded, why do you care so much? You may believe in Santa Claus, and I don´t give a fuck. Why don´t you let me "believe" in Chemtrails and just let it go?

oh and your fuckin perfect you arsehole

jeez peeps wanna calm down

havin a pop cuz they can

"You may believe in Santa Claus, and I don´t give a fuck."

831.

As far as I´m concerned,to tell people/kids that santa is real is a world of difference to me,then scaring the shit out of kids with the chemtrail crap.

Don´t you think that the ignorant moron parents are telling their kids the same paranoid crap as there spewing here on GLP! !

"I’m a recovering smart person"



So you´re giving up being smart?

Is there an introduction to chemtrails somewhere? I am doubtful, never having seen anything vey strange myself, but willing to look at the evidence. Is there a consensus as to what is happenning or is it a collection of anamolous events that still requires explaining?. Are there any individuals who have come forward that have actually participated in some program?

Well´ they didn´t give the utility in the special UFO cover-up live.

Yes, as expressed in the see chapter in the special, two Zeta Reticulamn astronauts were exchange for two human astronauts on a learning mission of peace,, they did not give utility.

So that´s six point for the other side and you can now send letters to yourselves, saying how worthless you are instead of sending them to me?

Smart people often fall into the trap of preferring to be right even if it’s based in delusion,(chemtrails,Aliens,ruins on Mars,Planet X).

Plenty and with some effort and an inquistive mind it shouldn´t take you long to draw your own conclusions..

Chemtrails Data PageInformation and pictures. Chemtrails vs contrails controversy. Government conspiracy theories.

www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html

Chemtrails, an IntroductionMar 1, 2002.. If you are just beginning to learn about Chemtrails, the following Introductory article below will give you an overview of how this spraying.

[link to educate-yourself.org]

Chemtrails-ContrailsAn extensive website proving that chemtrails are a secret government conspiracy. CIA and military coverup.

www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm 3

CHEMTRAILS
Presents evidence that the so-called chemtrails are nothing more than normal contrails.

www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm


Anomalies Unlimited Chemtrail photos and researchChemtrails 101 - a short lesson -what they are and the lies behind them ... Arizona Chems - sent in by Sid Pennington · Four Theories on Chemtrails.

www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails.html


Chemtrail Central Interestingly enough, David Finfrock, chief meteorologist fo rnbc5, is the only local weatherman to respond to my contacts regarding chemtrails.

www.chemtrailcentral.com


Chemtrails Hall of Shame
Documenting a global non-eventThe Chemtrail Hall of Shame - illegal weather modification programs being conducted above the Pacific Northwest.

www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos.html


Contrails, Chemtrails Look up and See the Pollution Raining Down on You! Chemtrail Watch. Preparing for Tomorrow´s Terrorism. CHEMTRAIL CRIMES & COVER UP DOCUMENTED.

www.apfn.org/apfn/contrails.htm


STOP CHEMTRAILS
But this theory fails when the chemical composition of the chemtrails is considered. Last April, samples from these chemtrails were analyzed.
www.stop-chemtrails.com


Chemtrails: NOT Contrails! What ARE they???A defense of chemtrail researchers who are accused of being unscientific hucksters, examining available evidence, and documenting the unsavory tactics of.

www.lacarte.org/health/chemtrails

Hazzard this one is for your edification..

About a straight foward as they come..

CHEMTRAILS "LEGITIMIZED" IN 109th CONGRESS

[link to www.theorator.com]

DEE.

All the links,but one,(didn´t work) were pictures of normal contrails.

Now, you belive in BOTH "chemtrails" and normal engine contrails,right.

I would love a link showing CONTRAILS only.

Maybe we can compare the two....ok.

DEE?

Are you there....

Hi hazzard yes I am still here I am sorry the links where broke i find it rather hard to believe they all were broke but one but I will check when I have time to see whats what.

Normal contrails are out there for sure but normal contrails disapiate rather quickly and their nature renders them less photo worthy as a the lingering and expanding chemtrails are.

But I am sure site exists that have taken that step and provided photo evidence to show that the two are distinctly different.

these links seem to work okay...

[link to educate-yourself.org]
[link to www.carnicom.com]
[link to www.nmsr.org]
[link to www.chemtrailcentral.com]
www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos.html
[link to www.apfn.org]
[link to www.lacarte.org]

Hazzard can I take your long absence now as a sign you are following up on the links?

I am particularily interested in your view of Congress´s message about "Chemtrails"...

a true diehard conspiracy theorist has a brain and an understanding that functions very differently from the norm. Someone like this can see a conspiracy in just about anything and are usually highly intelligent but lack in the common sense department.

I believe religion is the biggest factor. Basically smart people that can act totally unreasonable and prejudiced when it comes to the deity.

Ask nightshade09. He should be your prime example!